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  • #16
    I think the negativity that comes torward him from this forum is that we got to protect the QB and Flucker won't do it. I believe us from the forum much rather a guy like Thomas or Pugh in the second that have better pass blocking skills, and maybe get a Bjoern Werner or a Ogletree in the first.

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    • #17
      This was one evaluation (CBS). As you can see he is boarder line RT and maybe better suited to the OG position in the Pros. This is one of those that I'm not so sure I would call him a first round talent but there will be 32 selected sooooooo. Anyway, if we are shopping for a starting RT this is not the guy!


      WEAKNESSES: At his size, Fluker is strictly a right tackle or perhaps even a guard prospect as he hasn't demonstrated the agility or balance necessary to handle NFL speed rushers on a consistent basis. Even as a run blocker -- his specialty -- Fluker has a tendency to drop his head and stop his feet as he makes contact, resulting in some of his more talented opponents being able to disengage.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by slipknottin View Post
        unfortunately for him, every DE in the NFL is a speed rusher.

        And players almost never gain mobility.... So this "he needs to become faster" thing will never happen.

        Hes a mauler, great for a team that runs the ball all game. Similar to the 49ers anthony davis (who also went first round).

        But the giants are a passing team. A run first guy who struggles to pass protect just does not fit very well.
        Who are you quoting with "needs to become faster".

        He wasn't getting burned over and over again at Alabama against the same players that become NFL DEs. Improving against the pass rush isn't just about getting quicker either. I didn't say his pass protection is perfect, but the people that say it's "terrible" are exaggerating or just heard someone say he needs to improve and are acting like they watched him. I've watched every game he has ever played. Yes, he needs to improve. I don't think that's impossible for him to do. I don't want him at #19 either.
        2017 Mock Draft (Pre-combine / FA):

        Rd 1: OJ Howard (TE, Alabama)
        Rd 2: Tanoh Kpassagnon (DE, Villanova)
        Rd 3: Antonio Garcia (OT, Troy)
        Rd 4: Samaje Perine (RB, Oklahoma)
        Rd 5: Davis Webb (QB, Cal)
        Rd 6: Ahkello Witherspoon (CB, Colorado)
        Rd 7: DJ Jones (DT, Ole Miss)

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        • #19
          Originally posted by BlueSabbath View Post
          Who are you quoting with "needs to become faster".

          He wasn't getting burned over and over again at Alabama against the same players that become NFL DEs. Improving against the pass rush isn't just about getting quicker either. I didn't say his pass protection is perfect, but the people that say it's "terrible" are exaggerating or just heard someone say he needs to improve and are acting like they watched him. I've watched every game he has ever played. Yes, he needs to improve. I don't think that's impossible for him to do. I don't want him at #19 either.
          The way to combat speed rushers is both technique and foot speed/lateral agility. Something guys very rarely can add.

          Fluker is going to struggle badly pass blocking, he is going to need help from a TE or back on most 5+ step drops against any pass rusher he is up against.

          That's a significant issue

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          • #20
            Originally posted by slipknottin View Post
            unfortunately for him, every DE in the NFL is a speed rusher.

            And players almost never gain mobility.... So this "he needs to become faster" thing will never happen.

            Hes a mauler, great for a team that runs the ball all game. Similar to the 49ers anthony davis (who also went first round).

            But the giants are a passing team. A run first guy who struggles to pass protect just does not fit very well.

            1. Very few strong-side DEs in the NFL have the speed/quick-twitch that he struggles with. Those DEs are usually on the weak side, not the strong side.

            2. Giants are NOT a passing team. The foundation of the offense is still the running game.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by slipknottin View Post
              A poor pass blocking RT isn't a need. The giants already have Diehl for that.
              LOL @ you comparing Diehl to Fluker.

              How clueless are you?

              Fluker is 10x better in the run game than Diehl.

              Diehl struggles with both the speed rush AND the power rush. Pass-rushers can easily drive him back into the QB.

              You can't move Fluker back at all. The ONLY way to beat Fluker is with speed, NOT power.

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              • #22
                With Fluker, you wouldn't even worry about him having to pass-block for long because there will be a lot more 2nd-and-short and 3rd-and-short situations.

                And he is nowhere near a bad pass-blocker. There are numerous plays where he gets his arms/hands on a guy and completely blocks them away from the pocket. He never lets a guy PRESS him into the QB because of how sturdy he is.

                The reason why people blindly think he's a bad pass-blocker is because of a few highlights where he looks bad.

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                • #23
                  I ask those who don't particularly like Flukers game this: do you think his feet are as good as say McKinnie or McNeil? What I'm getting at is when you're that big, that long, and that strong you don't need Joe Staley movement skills. Fluker can get away with slow feet in a similar way that McKinnie can. Their size and length just hides it.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by EliManningUp View Post
                    With Fluker, you wouldn't even worry about him having to pass-block for long because there will be a lot more 2nd-and-short and 3rd-and-short situations.
                    Man do people overrate the difference a single OL makes. Yea, Fluker will on his own change those 2nd and 10s to 2nd and 3s.

                    We do realize the giants are and will always be a passing team with Eli making 20 mil a year, right?
                    Last edited by slipknottin; 04-01-2013, 07:07 PM.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by slipknottin View Post
                      Man do people overrate the difference a single OL makes. Yea, Fluker will on his own change those 2nd and 10s to 2nd and 3s.

                      We do realize the giants are and will always be a passing team with Eli making 20 mil a year, right?


                      Did you watch 2011 where Eli played with a turnstile at RT in McKenzie? He did pretty damn well.

                      And Fluker is nowhere close to a turnstile. He gets beat a couple times a game. That's it. The majority of the time, he stonewalls his guy. He's an above average pass-blocker.

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                      • #26
                        2nd and 10s?

                        Last year with crap at RT we had A. Brown (5.1 YPC), Wilson (5.0 YPC), and Bradshaw with bad feet (4.6 YPC)

                        Our running game with garbage at RT is already pretty solid. Why do people think our running game was bad? It was not.

                        Fluker presents a gigantic upgrade at RT in the form of run-blocking. He'll turn a solid running game into a great one.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by EliManningUp View Post
                          Did you watch 2011 where Eli played with a turnstile at RT in McKenzie? He did pretty damn well.

                          And Fluker is nowhere close to a turnstile. He gets beat a couple times a game. That's it. The majority of the time, he stonewalls his guy. He's an above average pass-blocker.
                          McKenzie was one of the best pass blocking RTs for a large part of his career.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by EliManningUp View Post
                            2nd and 10s?
                            Yea, you know when they have an incomplete pass.

                            If the giants had a crap QB and had to rely heavily on the run game, sure. Fluker would be great.

                            But they have a top QB. So they need pass blocking every bit as much as running.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by slipknottin View Post
                              Yea, you know when they have an incomplete pass.

                              If the giants had a crap QB and had to rely heavily on the run game, sure. Fluker would be great.

                              But they have a top QB. So they need pass blocking every bit as much as running.

                              That's terrible logic. Fluker is the best RT in the draft. That's combining his run and pass blocking.

                              With Fluker, we would run more on 1st down. So wouldn't that mean less 2nd and 10's? Think before you post.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by EliManningUp View Post
                                That's terrible logic. Fluker is the best RT in the draft. That's combining his run and pass blocking.

                                With Fluker, we would run more on 1st down. So wouldn't that mean less 2nd and 10's? Think before you post.
                                Hes the best RT because he is not a good enough pass blocker to play LT... Thats why there are many OTs listed ahead of him.

                                But sure, if you believe drafting a RT means the giants will revert to a smashmouth running team with a poor QB.

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