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  • Mike Mayock agrees with me regarding overrated Bjoern Werner. I told you so.

    When you watch Werner, you see a try-hard, solid player, but there isn’t anything that really wows you. Mayock saw some things he liked calling Werner a “strong, tough kid with some technique,” but admitted that he didn’t “see any kind of twitchy edge speed” and that Werner is likely just a “solid base end.”

    http://www.thesidelineview.com/colum...sive-end-class

  • #2
    Picking Werner at 19 is a remote-thrower. Terrible choice.

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    • #3
      I think I'd prefer his teamate Xavier Rhodes in the first and then perhaps Alex Okafor in the second...I'm also warming up to Fluker in the first. The guy is and absolute beast of a human being and I feel his impact would be much greater then Werner's on a play to play basis

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      • #4
        I don't take his opinion as worth anything the way he changes his rankings completely arbitrarily well after anything could even change them. He says things to predict the draft rather than evaluate talent. Like last week he suddenly decided Fisher is better than Joeckel. How could he possibly just decide that now? Nothing has happened. It's like Kiper claiming that if Teo runs sub 4.8 at his pro day, he's back on the top 20.

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        • #5
          Mayock said he doesnt like Werner as a top 5 to top 10 pick, so you assume he means he is also bad at 19? At the combine, when people were still talking about Werner as a top 5 pick, Mayock indicated he thinks Werner should go in the middle/later part of the 1st round.

          Did you listen to him because he also praises parts of Werners game too.

          Oh and he talks about how the other guys suffered vs good competition, but notice he didnt say that about Werner.

          Not to mention, Werner is Mayocks #1 ranked Defensive end.

          Saying "I told you so" based on a 3rd party opinion that doesnt even agree with you kinda makes you look silly.
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          • #6
            I agree with Mayock though, physically Werner does not project to be a great pass rusher at the next level...Do you really want to spend a top 20 pick on a guy who may only average 7-8 sacks a season?

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            • #7
              I still want Warmack, Cooper, or Fluker in the first (one of them should fall to 19)... OL needs a serious infusion.

              I'm Commander Shepard, and this is my favorite team in the NFL.

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              • #8
                Isn't Werner Mayocks Number 1 ranked DE?lol So he must really not like Ez Ansah then, ey?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by juice33s View Post
                  I agree with Mayock though, physically Werner does not project to be a great pass rusher at the next level...Do you really want to spend a top 20 pick on a guy who may only average 7-8 sacks a season?
                  Justin Tuck - 6.1 sacks per season.

                  Osi Umenyiora - 7.5 sacks per season

                  7-8 sacks per season from a strong side DE is VERY good.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by BlueSanta View Post
                    Justin Tuck - 6.1 sacks per season.

                    Osi Umenyiora - 7.5 sacks per season

                    7-8 sacks per season from a strong side DE is VERY good.
                    I meant more like peaking at around 7-8 sacks ala Kiwi

                    Tuck in his prime 2007-2010 avg 9.9
                    Osi in his prime from 2005-2010 avg 10.4

                    Also Werner is not near the run stopper that Tuck was/is and not near the edge rusher Osi was
                    Last edited by juice33s; 04-11-2013, 08:08 PM.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by BlueSanta View Post
                      Mayock said he doesnt like Werner as a top 5 to top 10 pick, so you assume he means he is also bad at 19? At the combine, when people were still talking about Werner as a top 5 pick, Mayock indicated he thinks Werner should go in the middle/later part of the 1st round.

                      Did you listen to him because he also praises parts of Werners game too.

                      Oh and he talks about how the other guys suffered vs good competition, but notice he didnt say that about Werner.

                      Not to mention, Werner is Mayocks #1 ranked Defensive end.

                      Saying "I told you so" based on a 3rd party opinion that doesnt even agree with you kinda makes you look silly.

                      I'm referring to Mayock's scouting report on Werner. That he's a "try hard" football player who will never be anything more than "solid" in the NFL.

                      You don't spend a 19th overall pick on a "solid" player. You spend a 19th overall pick on a guy who will be a perennial Pro-Bowl player.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by EliManningUp View Post
                        I'm referring to Mayock's scouting report on Werner. That he's a "try hard" football player who will never be anything more than "solid" in the NFL.

                        You don't spend a 19th overall pick on a "solid" player. You spend a 19th overall pick on a guy who will be a perennial Pro-Bowl player.
                        Then why,at the combine, did Mayock indicate Werner should be drafted in the mid of the 1st round ? And why is he rated as Mayocks #1 ranked DE?

                        You are not telling the entire story. What Mayock is saying in that recording is in regards to Werner as a top 5-10 pick.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by juice33s View Post
                          I agree with Mayock though, physically Werner does not project to be a great pass rusher at the next level...Do you really want to spend a top 20 pick on a guy who may only average 7-8 sacks a season?
                          Being that our 15th overall DE is averaging 9 sacks, 7-8 for the 19th is about on track. .

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by myles2424 View Post
                            Being that our 15th overall DE is averaging 9 sacks, 7-8 for the 19th is about on track. .
                            Including his rookie season which was meant as merely a developmental year is hardly a fair assesment, not to mention everything else JPP brings to the table.....Werner is not near the prospect that JPP is/was

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                            • #15
                              I still want Werner, poo poo Mayock.. #19 seems like a good value

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