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  • #91
    i read or saw an analysis of him where they said hes completely overrated and runs around without any idea what hes doing. and that it was like georgia just decided to put a S at MLB and told him to run all over the place. he constantly takes bad angles, missteps, and for every flashy pllay he will make, he'll make 5 bad plays

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    • #92
      Originally posted by giantsfan420 View Post
      i read or saw an analysis of him where they said hes completely overrated and runs around without any idea what hes doing. and that it was like georgia just decided to put a S at MLB and told him to run all over the place. he constantly takes bad angles, missteps, and for every flashy pllay he will make, he'll make 5 bad plays
      Curious why you don't watch your own tape on him instead of posting what someone else said. I could post a buttload of good talk on him. He's not one of the top LBers for no reason. All these prospects still have growth ahead of them
      Last edited by TAILGATIN'; 04-19-2013, 10:15 AM.
      2017 Draft Wishlist:
      1. Christian McCaffrey RB Stanford
      2. Raekwon McMillan ILB Ohio State
      3. Roderick Johnson OT Florida State
      4. Jordan Leggett TE Clemson
      5. Ryan Glasgow DT Michegan
      6. Chad Kelly QB Ole Miss
      7. Billy Brown WR Shepherd

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      • #93
        Originally posted by TAILGATIN' View Post
        I think if the Giants draft Ogle it will be with the minset of converting him to Mike, which I dont think will be a problem if he improves his work ethic and gets that head of his on straight and in the game. Thats the risk you take with a pick like him, but Im all for it.
        You don't spend your first round pick on a project, unless you're 100% certain it's going to pan out quickly (a la JPP). If Ogletree is around in the 2nd somehow, I wouldn't be opposed to taking him there...

        I'm Commander Shepard, and this is my favorite team in the NFL.

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        • #94
          Originally posted by Toadofsteel View Post
          You don't spend your first round pick on a project, unless you're 100% certain it's going to pan out quickly (a la JPP). If Ogletree is around in the 2nd somehow, I wouldn't be opposed to taking him there...
          The latest he goes is the Ravens.. last pick in the 1st

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          • #95
            Originally posted by giantsfan420 View Post
            i read or saw an analysis of him where they said hes completely overrated and runs around without any idea what hes doing. and that it was like georgia just decided to put a S at MLB and told him to run all over the place. he constantly takes bad angles, missteps, and for every flashy pllay he will make, he'll make 5 bad plays
            it's the internet.. you can find people posting dumb stuff all the time.
            2017 Mock Draft (Pre-combine / FA):

            Rd 1: OJ Howard (TE, Alabama)
            Rd 2: Tanoh Kpassagnon (DE, Villanova)
            Rd 3: Antonio Garcia (OT, Troy)
            Rd 4: Samaje Perine (RB, Oklahoma)
            Rd 5: Davis Webb (QB, Cal)
            Rd 6: Ahkello Witherspoon (CB, Colorado)
            Rd 7: DJ Jones (DT, Ole Miss)

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            • #96
              Originally posted by Toadofsteel View Post
              You don't spend your first round pick on a project, unless you're 100% certain it's going to pan out quickly (a la JPP). If Ogletree is around in the 2nd somehow, I wouldn't be opposed to taking him there...
              Say what?! No pick is ever 100% certain no matter what... If anyone picks Ogletree it's because they rightfully think he'll make a quick impact. I don't see a project with him at all. He dominates in the toughest conference in CFB. There are 1st round busts all the time that weren't even considered "projects".
              2017 Mock Draft (Pre-combine / FA):

              Rd 1: OJ Howard (TE, Alabama)
              Rd 2: Tanoh Kpassagnon (DE, Villanova)
              Rd 3: Antonio Garcia (OT, Troy)
              Rd 4: Samaje Perine (RB, Oklahoma)
              Rd 5: Davis Webb (QB, Cal)
              Rd 6: Ahkello Witherspoon (CB, Colorado)
              Rd 7: DJ Jones (DT, Ole Miss)

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              • #97
                Originally posted by Toadofsteel View Post
                You don't spend your first round pick on a project, unless you're 100% certain it's going to pan out quickly (a la JPP). If Ogletree is around in the 2nd somehow, I wouldn't be opposed to taking him there...
                Get out of here. Not one of these guys has proven themselves against the beasts in the NFL. They're all projects and will continue to grow as they improve at their positions and recieve better coaching. You can dislike Ogletree all you like and bash his skills all you like, but you are on the losing side of the argument because almost every coach, scout, analysist, and professional sports writer has him as a 1st round prospect. End of story.

                Every draft prospect has weaknesses and strengths.
                2017 Draft Wishlist:
                1. Christian McCaffrey RB Stanford
                2. Raekwon McMillan ILB Ohio State
                3. Roderick Johnson OT Florida State
                4. Jordan Leggett TE Clemson
                5. Ryan Glasgow DT Michegan
                6. Chad Kelly QB Ole Miss
                7. Billy Brown WR Shepherd

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                - Homer J. Simpson

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                • #98
                  Originally posted by Redeyejedi View Post
                  We have 11 games up on Ogletree on Draftbreakdown. Over an hour easy of footage. 8 from 2012 and 3 from last year. I myself did 7 of the videos because he is a hard player for me to grade. On 1 hand you have a proven play maker that can provide game changing plays with his ability against the pass. Good in coverage and has the speed and quickness to be a lethal blitzer. He is 1 of the few defenders in this draft that I look at as a big play threat. On the other side of the coin his run defense leaves a lot to be desired. His hand usage his poor and his inability to shed blocks shows up all over his games.
                  Ogletree is Antrel Rolle basically at the WILL spot (except Rolle might actually be better in run support )
                  I don't always root for the Cowboys but when I do I wear my pink Jessica Simpson edition Romo jersey. (yes I lost a bet)

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                  • #99
                    Originally posted by giantsfan420 View Post
                    i read or saw an analysis of him where they said hes completely overrated and runs around without any idea what hes doing. and that it was like georgia just decided to put a S at MLB and told him to run all over the place. he constantly takes bad angles, missteps, and for every flashy pllay he will make, he'll make 5 bad plays
                    Please show me where u read for every flashy play he makes, he makes 5bad ones.. I have a feeling u added that urself, and the funny part is, it dosen't even seem like u watched em, as u simply quote what others say and thats how u come up with what u think of em...

                    Trust me, the guy can play.. And hes not all flash.. What, were gonna start knocking people becasue there capable of making big game changing plays now ? What do u think, hes just a bum who occasionaly makes awesome game changing plays, but when hes not making awesome game changling plays, hes looking like hes completely braindead or something??lol it makes me laugh when people say things like that.. Good players make game changing plays, not guys who are lucky.. Maybe u make a right play at right time play now and again, but when u consistently take the ball away from the offense, and force turnovers, its because ur good, end of story..

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                    • Originally posted by Kruunch View Post
                      Ogletree is Antrel Rolle basically at the WILL spot (except Rolle might actually be better in run support )
                      Ogletree is good in run support... U guys act like just becasue hes not super great at disengaging, it means hes bad in run support, but hes not.. He can stop backs in there tracks, and can track em down from just about anywhere on the field, and can lay the wood... He just goes about it in a diffrent way then most prototypical MLB's is all.. Hes certainly not a weakness against the run by any stretch...

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                      • Originally posted by nycsportzfan View Post
                        Ogletree is good in run support... U guys act like just becasue hes not super great at disengaging, it means hes bad in run support, but hes not.. He can stop backs in there tracks, and can track em down from just about anywhere on the field, and can lay the wood... He just goes about it in a diffrent way then most prototypical MLB's is all.. Hes certainly not a weakness against the run by any stretch...
                        Ogletree is BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAD when you get a man on him. He gets taken totally out of the play.

                        Just so there isn't an equivocation on my part ... in traffic on a run without a clear path to the ball carrier: He's bad, a liability, awful, MIA, and a missing person.

                        I highlighted several times in the Bama video that showed exactly what I'm talking about.
                        Last edited by Kruunch; 04-19-2013, 11:19 AM.
                        I don't always root for the Cowboys but when I do I wear my pink Jessica Simpson edition Romo jersey. (yes I lost a bet)

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                        • Originally posted by Kruunch View Post
                          Ogletree is BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAD when you get a man on him. He gets taken totally out of the play.

                          Just so there isn't an equivocation on my part ... in traffic on a run without a clear path to the ball carrier: He's bad, a liability, awful, MIA, and a missing person.

                          I highlighted several times in the Bama video that showed exactly what I'm talking about.
                          U highlighted a blocker doing his job and blocking out a LB? And u do realize every game every MLB plays, he gets taken out by blockers multiple times, right? Theres never gonna be a MLB that takes out the blocking on him every time, its simply not possible.. These blockers are pretty good to, ya know?

                          Now all that said, no one says hes great at disengaging, as its known its one of the things he could improve, but he most certainly is a solid run defender and has made numerous tackles off a block, but u just didn't feel like highlighting those plays... I could fill a whole page with tackles hes made coming off a block, litteraly..

                          No ones drafting a MLB in the 1st rd, early 2nd rd, that is gonna have to take em off the field on Run downs, its just not happening.. Why would they? In fact, no ones taking a LB that isn't a complete player in the first rd or early 2nd rd for that matter.. Theres just to many LB's out there that u can pick up that are one dimensional , that u will never have to waste a prized possesion 1st rd or early 2nd rd to take one...

                          Ogletree is a complete player, whos weaknesses aren't full on, "he can't do it", but more like, he has to improve, which is mightily diffrent...

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                          • Originally posted by nycsportzfan View Post
                            U highlighted a blocker doing his job and blocking out a LB? And u do realize every game every MLB plays, he gets taken out by blockers multiple times, right? Theres never gonna be a MLB that takes out the blocking on him every time, its simply not possible.. These blockers are pretty good to, ya know?

                            Now all that said, no one says hes great at disengaging, as its known its one of the things he could improve, but he most certainly is a solid run defender and has made numerous tackles off a block, but u just didn't feel like highlighting those plays... I could fill a whole page with tackles hes made coming off a block, litteraly..

                            No ones drafting a MLB in the 1st rd, early 2nd rd, that is gonna have to take em off the field on Run downs, its just not happening.. Why would they? In fact, no ones taking a LB that isn't a complete player in the first rd or early 2nd rd for that matter.. Theres just to many LB's out there that u can pick up that are one dimensional , that u will never have to waste a prized possesion 1st rd or early 2nd rd to take one...

                            Ogletree is a complete player, whos weaknesses aren't full on, "he can't do it", but more like, he has to improve, which is mightily diffrent...
                            And thus the difference between a good blocker and a good MLBer
                            I don't always root for the Cowboys but when I do I wear my pink Jessica Simpson edition Romo jersey. (yes I lost a bet)

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                            • Originally posted by Kruunch View Post
                              Ogletree is BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAD when you get a man on him. He gets taken totally out of the play.

                              Just so there isn't an equivocation on my part ... in traffic on a run without a clear path to the ball carrier: He's bad, a liability, awful, MIA, and a missing person.

                              I highlighted several times in the Bama video that showed exactly what I'm talking about.
                              "BAAAAAAAAAAAD"??! Pardon me, but i don't think you know what you're talking about.

                              You dont' get as many tackles he has if you can't get off of a block. Even in that Alabama game (which I have watched about 5 times) he still manages to make plays after being blocked. Keep in mind he's new to the position and all those guys on that Alabama line are 1st and 2nd round draft picks. There's also a such thing as gap discipline. And as mentioned, players are going to get blocked all the time. Find me the best MLB of all time and I'll show you plays he gets blocked in.
                              Last edited by BlueSabbath; 04-19-2013, 03:37 PM.
                              2017 Mock Draft (Pre-combine / FA):

                              Rd 1: OJ Howard (TE, Alabama)
                              Rd 2: Tanoh Kpassagnon (DE, Villanova)
                              Rd 3: Antonio Garcia (OT, Troy)
                              Rd 4: Samaje Perine (RB, Oklahoma)
                              Rd 5: Davis Webb (QB, Cal)
                              Rd 6: Ahkello Witherspoon (CB, Colorado)
                              Rd 7: DJ Jones (DT, Ole Miss)

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                              • Originally posted by nycsportzfan View Post
                                Ogletree is good in run support... U guys act like just becasue hes not super great at disengaging, it means hes bad in run support, but hes not.. He can stop backs in there tracks, and can track em down from just about anywhere on the field, and can lay the wood... He just goes about it in a diffrent way then most prototypical MLB's is all.. Hes certainly not a weakness against the run by any stretch...
                                No dude, he was 3rd in the SEC in solo tackles (despite missing 4 games) at LB because he sucks in run support and can't get off a block.

                                Some people should just leave player evaluation alone.
                                2017 Mock Draft (Pre-combine / FA):

                                Rd 1: OJ Howard (TE, Alabama)
                                Rd 2: Tanoh Kpassagnon (DE, Villanova)
                                Rd 3: Antonio Garcia (OT, Troy)
                                Rd 4: Samaje Perine (RB, Oklahoma)
                                Rd 5: Davis Webb (QB, Cal)
                                Rd 6: Ahkello Witherspoon (CB, Colorado)
                                Rd 7: DJ Jones (DT, Ole Miss)

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