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  • #31
    I never understood the obsession with everyone here taking guys with injuries.

    Every year there is a guy who had a serious medical issue and everyone wants them.

    So strange.

    Its just like the Herzlich thing, everyone claiming "well he was great before he got hurt!"

    What does that matter if they never regain that athleticism? And sure, some guys occasionally do, but most dont.
    Last edited by slipknottin; 04-16-2013, 08:47 PM.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by slipknottin View Post
      I never understood the obsession with everyone here taking guys with injuries.

      Every year there is a guy who had a serious medical issue and everyone wants them.

      So strange.

      Its just like the Herzlich thing, everyone claiming "well he was great before he got hurt!"

      What does that matter if they never regain that athleticism? And sure, some guys occasionally do, but most dont.
      Well to clarify Slip, I am not the type of person who usually wants to draft someone with an injury history. However, I just really happen to like Lattimore's game/personality. I'm not an expert so I'm not saying the Giants SHOULD draft him, only that I like him and would be excited if we did because if JR trusts it, so do I.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by TheManningFam10 View Post
        Well to clarify Slip, I am not the type of person who usually wants to draft someone with an injury history. However, I just really happen to like Lattimore's game/personality. I'm not an expert so I'm not saying the Giants SHOULD draft him, only that I like him and would be excited if we did because if JR trusts it, so do I.
        right on brotha ...gotta admire the guy's heart...I trust reese as well to make the most well informed decision.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by slipknottin View Post
          I never understood the obsession with everyone here taking guys with injuries.

          Every year there is a guy who had a serious medical issue and everyone wants them.

          So strange.

          Its just like the Herzlich thing, everyone claiming "well he was great before he got hurt!"

          What does that matter if they never regain that athleticism? And sure, some guys occasionally do, but most dont.
          In all seriousness I think it is unfair to draw the comparison to Herzlich and Lattimore. Herzlich has a rod in his leg or hip because of bone cancer and it is amazing that he is in the league. I honestly think that he could be pretty good if he fully understood the playbook and got comfortable in the system. When he was out there he played poorly but it seemed like that because he looked lost out there. This could be a result of not being fully aware of his role on certain plays... Lattimore had a pretty bad knee injury but I think that he can come back from that because like I have said the doctors are on a great level at the moment of repairing knees and other injuries. He is ahead of schedule apparently according to this article and has added 20 pounds of muscle.

          http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports...edule/1930953/
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          • #35
            Originally posted by NYGfanSTRICK View Post
            has added 20 pounds of muscle.
            Since you cant add muscle without adding fat, that means either hes added 20 pounds to his 232 pound frame, or hes added 20 pounds of muscle + 10 or so pounds of muscle, and is now 6' 260.

            Either way, no thanks. Dont want an overweight hb with a blown knee.

            Hard enough getting healthy players that are good.


            And Ive never heard any doctor say anyone is behind schedule... Always these stories put out by a guys agents sound so rosy.

            Maybe, maybe with a 6th or 7th round pick I could see taking a guy like Lattimore, but with an early pick? for a guy who may never play in the league at all? Have to be nuts.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by slipknottin View Post
              I never understood the obsession with everyone here taking guys with injuries.

              Every year there is a guy who had a serious medical issue and everyone wants them.

              So strange.

              Its just like the Herzlich thing, everyone claiming "well he was great before he got hurt!"

              What does that matter if they never regain that athleticism? And sure, some guys occasionally do, but most dont.
              I think it's the risk reward factor and the possible value of getting someone cheap who can produce if healthy again. Im not really for or against this thought process, as it all depends on the individual, but im guesding its the mindset many fans have. I won't lie and was all about the Austin 2nd round pick and thought he might be the steal of the draft even though he sat a bunch. i should be eating those words but decided ill give him one more season . Guys like Tank, Lattimore, Barrett, even Jarvis Jones all slid due to these types of issues, but might be worth the risk if they come back as the studs they were (jones is a lil diff story but still lost some ground). I think at least some of them will be worth the risk.
              Last edited by TAILGATIN'; 04-16-2013, 09:28 PM.
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              2. Raekwon McMillan ILB Ohio State
              3. Roderick Johnson OT Florida State
              4. Jordan Leggett TE Clemson
              5. Ryan Glasgow DT Michegan
              6. Chad Kelly QB Ole Miss
              7. Billy Brown WR Shepherd

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              • #37
                Well I am guessing the got the added muscle number from the weight he was at when he started rehabbing which is most likely 10LBs or so lighter than the weight he was playing at because of the fact that his leg muscle had to have gone down because he would not be able to work with it for a while and he probably lost weight because of the fact that he could not do all of the lifts that he could if he could work his legs like squats ect... He probably is about 10 pounds heavier than what he was playing at in college or so.
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                A Peterson-like effort
                Lattimore steps into a miniature pool on this weekday at the Andrews Institute, where fellow prospects and current NFL players come to rehab or train for the upcoming season. Washington Redskins Robert Griffin III stands in a hot tub 10 feet away stretching after his own pool session.

                The NFL offensive rookie of the year teasingly urges on Lattimore: "Flex, Marcus, flex!"
                Lattimore describes his time in Pensacola since arriving in mid-December as "the best experience ever."
                Andrews says Lattimore's work ethic has been on par with another Andrews' patient, Adrian Peterson. The Minnesota Vikings running back came within nine yards of the single season rushing record after tearing his ACL the previous season.
                "He's twice as far along as we ever expected him to be. He's so self motivated," Andrews says of Lattimore. "This weight he's put on has been all muscle, which is absolutely impossible in most cases. It remains to be seen if he can play this season.
                "We've had to slow him down in certain activities because he'd get ahead of us. He's one of the finest young men I've ever had the opportunity to help take care of."
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                I will take someone with AP's work ethic anyday if they have the talent that Lattimore has. I don't understand why a 4th rounder on him would be questioned at all.

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                4th) E. Magnuson OT/OG Mich 5th) J. Replogle DT Purde
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                • #38
                  Originally posted by slipknottin View Post
                  Since you cant add muscle without adding fat, that means either hes added 20 pounds to his 232 pound frame, or hes added 20 pounds of muscle + 10 or so pounds of muscle, and is now 6' 260.

                  Either way, no thanks. Dont want an overweight hb with a blown knee.

                  Hard enough getting healthy players that are good.


                  And Ive never heard any doctor say anyone is behind schedule... Always these stories put out by a guys agents sound so rosy.

                  Maybe, maybe with a 6th or 7th round pick I could see taking a guy like Lattimore, but with an early pick? for a guy who may never play in the league at all? Have to be nuts.
                  Slip, I don't like the lattimore pick unless its 5th or later but really don't feel we need to go rb this draft and just ended up on this thread. I've noticed on many threads you bashing a lot of draft prospects, which is fine cuz it's all opinions. I'm just wondering what guys you are high on this draft, if any?
                  2017 Draft Wishlist:
                  1. Christian McCaffrey RB Stanford
                  2. Raekwon McMillan ILB Ohio State
                  3. Roderick Johnson OT Florida State
                  4. Jordan Leggett TE Clemson
                  5. Ryan Glasgow DT Michegan
                  6. Chad Kelly QB Ole Miss
                  7. Billy Brown WR Shepherd

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by TAILGATIN' View Post
                    Slip, I don't like the lattimore pick unless its 5th or later but really don't feel we need to go rb this draft and just ended up on this thread. I've noticed on many threads you bashing a lot of draft prospects, which is fine cuz it's all opinions. I'm just wondering what guys you are high on this draft, if any?
                    I dont dislike Lattimore. I dislike the idea that hes an early round pick.

                    Just like a guy like Ogletree, I dont disagree that hes talented, I just dont see him as this perfect prospect that others seem to.

                    I think I am just on the opposite end of the risk/reward scale. Many here love the high reward high risk guys, I much prefer the low risk guys with average to good reward.

                    Lattimore, for instance, is obviously a very risky selection. Maybe he can become a great back, but examples of running backs coming back from multiple ligament tears are not exactly abundant. There are what, one or two examples?

                    To me, that says late pick or no interest.
                    Last edited by slipknottin; 04-16-2013, 09:41 PM.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by NYGfanSTRICK View Post
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                      I will take someone with AP's work ethic anyday if they have the talent that Lattimore has. I don't understand why a 4th rounder on him would be questioned at all.

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                      Because we don't need help at rb and have bigger shoes to fill even round 4. Of course nothing's for certain, but I can almost guarantee we don't go running back and if so it'll be one of the last rounds unless someone crazy falls on JRs lap. I like lattimore but am willing to eat dog doo if he becomes a giant.
                      Last edited by TAILGATIN'; 04-16-2013, 09:58 PM.
                      2017 Draft Wishlist:
                      1. Christian McCaffrey RB Stanford
                      2. Raekwon McMillan ILB Ohio State
                      3. Roderick Johnson OT Florida State
                      4. Jordan Leggett TE Clemson
                      5. Ryan Glasgow DT Michegan
                      6. Chad Kelly QB Ole Miss
                      7. Billy Brown WR Shepherd

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by TAILGATIN' View Post
                        Because we don't need help at rb and have bigger shoes to fill even round 4. Of course nothing's for certain, but I can almost guarantee we don't go running back and if so it'll be one of the last rounds unless someone crazy falls on JRs lap. I like lattimore but am willing to eat dog sh!t if he becomes a giant.
                        Haha I do not think that we will pick him but I think that it would be a pretty nice pick because of the value that the pick would give us. We really have needs at OT/OG, CB, LB. We could use a DE but I would not say it is a major need. We could easily move Kiwi to DE again. I think we could get a quality player at one of those positions in the 5th or later. Klein, Beauharnais are two MLB's who could probably be had in the 5th or maybe later. We can get a solid OL in one of the first 3 rounds. There are solid CB's that can be drafted all over in this draft as well. For example in your mock you address OL 5-6 rounds. I would say our need for a RB is about as = for a TE who you have in round 4 as well. I am just saying that you can get value for positions you need in many spots in the draft...
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                        1st) O.J Howard TE Bama 2nd) D. Walker DE F.S.U 3rd) S. Perine RB Oklahoma
                        4th) E. Magnuson OT/OG Mich 5th) J. Replogle DT Purde
                        6th) Fred Ross WR Miss St 7th) J. Reeves-Maybin LB Tenn
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                        • #42
                          I actually went through quite a bunch of mocks w some buddies and addressed Oline earlier than the mock shown. I would be more than pleased goin LB, CB, and Oline in the first 3 or 4 rounds in no particular order, as long as they are solid players. A good DE that falls in any of those rounds would not upset me either. I was pretty happy with the Brandon Myers pickup and still waiting to see what they think of Tracy so my Kasa pick was just for fun. Lattimore would be a great pick if he ends up fully recovered but still think its too risky round 4. Maybe Reese doesn't though.
                          2017 Draft Wishlist:
                          1. Christian McCaffrey RB Stanford
                          2. Raekwon McMillan ILB Ohio State
                          3. Roderick Johnson OT Florida State
                          4. Jordan Leggett TE Clemson
                          5. Ryan Glasgow DT Michegan
                          6. Chad Kelly QB Ole Miss
                          7. Billy Brown WR Shepherd

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                          • #43
                            Yeah I like the Mock overall though. Okafor would be a really good pick in the 2nd IMO. Dallas Thomas would be a good pick in the 6th and Ray Ray could be a big steal!
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                            1st) O.J Howard TE Bama 2nd) D. Walker DE F.S.U 3rd) S. Perine RB Oklahoma
                            4th) E. Magnuson OT/OG Mich 5th) J. Replogle DT Purde
                            6th) Fred Ross WR Miss St 7th) J. Reeves-Maybin LB Tenn
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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by giantsfan420 View Post
                              did he hurt the same knee twice?

                              the guy has serious work ethic. and he is a practice warrior. guy loves football. if it wasnt for that knee being destroyed, id agree. i dont see how he will last in the nfl tho,which means rd 5 or later...for me at least imo.
                              It was his other knee, it looked awful live. I was at that game and you could hear a pin drop.

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