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  • Originally posted by myles2424 View Post
    So you've seen Pugh projected top 20? Mayock is the first I've heard about anything close to that & that was this week.....find me one reliable source that states that this 6'4 300 lb tackle with short arms & a unimpressive senior bowl week is a top 20 talent
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    • Originally posted by myles2424 View Post
      Onlything that'll make that pick not sting is if he's week 1 starter, while floyd,Rhodes are all busts
      I'd add every other pick that went after em..


      It cracks me up how everyone and there mother on here ragged on the seahawks for taking James Carpenter in the 1st rd a couple yrs back(also versatile), from a much more known school of beast Olineman and deeper in the 1st rd, and yet here they are, saying they love our pick.. Oh ya, carpenter sucks by the way... Albeit, i don't think Pugh sucks by any stretch..

      THen u look at he cowboys who clearly realized the value was completely gone with interior lineman and lineman in general at that point, and instead of just wasting value, trade back to end of RD1 to take Frederick, whos just as versatile as Pugh, and possibly a better overall prospect, which was the smart play if ur so hell bent on a interior lineman or lineman for that matter..

      Cordy Glenn goes a handful of picks into RD2 last yr, and yet, Justin Pugh is off the board at 19? Its just really silly.. I didn't even watch the rest of the first rd, because i was just disgusted at that point..

      U can find Justin Pughs all over.. Guys who aren't special at any one area, and his versatility stems from the fact he dosen't dominate any one positon and has short arms, that makes him have to go inside if he they hinder him outside.. Its not like this guys just some Anthony Munoz of every oline positon or something..lol

      Again, hes a decent player, but more late 2nd, 3r rd type player, and even then, i'd of probably passed.. I'd probably not of taken this guy till the 4th rd.. And thats me, thinking he'll be a solid player...

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      • Originally posted by nycsportzfan View Post
        I'd add every other pick that went after em..


        It cracks me up how everyone and there mother on here ragged on the seahawks for taking James Carpenter in the 1st rd a couple yrs back(also versatile), from a much more known school of beast Olineman and deeper in the 1st rd, and yet here they are, saying they love our pick.. Oh ya, carpenter sucks by the way... Albeit, i don't think Pugh sucks by any stretch..

        THen u look at he cowboys who clearly realized the value was completely gone with interior lineman and lineman in general at that point, and instead of just wasting value, trade back to end of RD1 to take Frederick, whos just as versatile as Pugh, and possibly a better overall prospect, which was the smart play if ur so hell bent on a interior lineman or lineman for that matter..

        Cordy Glenn goes a handful of picks into RD2 last yr, and yet, Justin Pugh is off the board at 19? Its just really silly.. I didn't even watch the rest of the first rd, because i was just disgusted at that point..

        U can find Justin Pughs all over.. Guys who aren't special at any one area, and his versatility stems from the fact he dosen't dominate any one positon and has short arms, that makes him have to go inside if he they hinder him outside.. Its not like this guys just some Anthony Munoz of every oline positon or something..lol

        Again, hes a decent player, but more late 2nd, 3r rd type player, and even then, i'd of probably passed.. I'd probably not of taken this guy till the 4th rd.. And thats me, thinking he'll be a solid player...
        Gotta admit, in light of passing up Cordy Glenn last year this pick seems even more odd.

        However, I do not agree that Frederick is as versatile or a better overall prospect. He is smart, he might be the smartest guy in the draft. He is big and strong, but he is nowhere near the athlete Pugh is and despite being huge for a center, he is never going to play anywhere but in the interior. I do believe Pugh is likely a guard too, but he does have the ability to fill in at tackle in a pinch. Frederick is WAY too slow to play tackle and has nowhere near the footwork for it.

        I ****ed my head at our Pugh pick and went "huh?"

        When the Cowboys picked Frederick I though "now that's a reach."
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        • Originally posted by BlueSanta View Post
          Gotta admit, in light of passing up Cordy Glenn last year this pick seems even more odd.

          However, I do not agree that Frederick is as versatile or a better overall prospect. He is smart, he might be the smartest guy in the draft. He is big and strong, but he is nowhere near the athlete Pugh is and despite being huge for a center, he is never going to play anywhere but in the interior. I do believe Pugh is likely a guard too, but he does have the ability to fill in at tackle in a pinch. Frederick is WAY too slow to play tackle and has nowhere near the footwork for it.

          I ****ed my head at our Pugh pick and went "huh?"

          When the Cowboys picked Frederick I though "now that's a reach."
          Ya i disagree about Frederick.. The same thing u said about Pughs athletic ability, can be said, that Frederick is stronger and more of a brute.. And there both just as versatile, as Frederick can play G and C, and Pugh can play T and G, albeit Frederick is probably not a C, but as u said with Pugh being able to fill in at T in a pinch, Frederick can fill in at C in a pinch, and there both probably guards..

          I mean, don't get it twisted, neither is a 1st rder..lol But at least Cowboys got there guy while also adding a additonal pick and getting toward the back of Rd1.. They didn't take a 2nd, or maybe 3rd rd prospect in the teens, which is laughable..

          Even if Pugh is good, which he probably will be, its not gonna be worth it... I just don't put em anywhere near the same class of prospect as decastro was who went 5picks later.. Shoot, Mike Iupati, who was the highest rated G i'd ever had only went what, a few picks before 19?

          This pick was a joke, plain and simple! A freaking joke! I feel robbed, spending hours and hours on these draft boards all the way from the time the draft ended last yr talking about prospects, and then after a crappy non playoff season, we get Justin Pugh at 19? We have to watch Bjorn Werner go to the colts? Ogletree to the rams? Rhodes to the vikes? Just stupid!

          All reese and coughlin say is the guys smart and has no off field issue and versatile.. Big deal? U can find a ton of those guys , even as UDF's...

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          • Why didn't we trade up for a top Offensive Lineman?
            Players come and go on the Free Agency Merry-Go-Round, but the N.Y. Giants will always be here!

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            • Originally posted by myles2424 View Post
              So you've seen Pugh projected top 20? Mayock is the first I've heard about anything close to that & that was this week.....find me one reliable source that states that this 6'4 300 lb tackle with short arms & a unimpressive senior bowl week is a top 20 talent
              Well reliable resources typically aren't members of the media. They're working for professional teams. For what it's worth, Mayock, Muench and Jeremiah had them in top 20.

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              • Originally posted by Imgrate View Post
                Even if he is, who cares? Its right tackle. We have 2 corners on the roster in 2014, only one guaranteed to be good. We have no pass rush because everyone will chip and double team JPP, we also have no longterm solution at 3tech. With those positions needed, who the **** cares who your RT is?
                I understand the frustration ... but look at what you're saying. CB is a position where we don't have a problem starting rookies, so not a needed component this year (although it did hurt watching Rhodes slide past us). And there wasn't a single eye-popping pass rusher in this draft, much less where we picked. Werner would have been nice but he's not a pure pass rusher. Look at the Lions blowing a TOP 5 pick on a pass rusher who had 5 sacks!

                You call Pugh a reach (and so do I) but he's not a desperation pick. And there were A LOT of those so far this draft (Kyle Long in the first LAWLAWLAWL!).

                And the first time Wilson breaks a 60 yard TD run through the right side, remember this conversation. Because I think there's going to be a lot of them.
                Last edited by Kruunch; 04-26-2013, 07:53 AM.
                I don't always root for the Cowboys but when I do I wear my pink Jessica Simpson edition Romo jersey. (yes I lost a bet)

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                • Originally posted by Kruunch View Post
                  I understand the frustration ... but look at what you're saying. CB is a position where we don't have a problem starting rookies, so not a needed component this year (although it did hurt watching Rhodes slide past us). And there wasn't a single eye-popping pass rusher in this draft, much less where we picked. Werner would have been nice but he's not a pure pass rusher. Look at the Lions blowing a TOP 5 pick on a pass rusher who had 5 sacks!

                  You call Pugh a reach (and so do I) but he's not a desperation pick. And there were A LOT of those so far this draft (Kyle Long in the first LAWLAWLAWL!)
                  Clay Matthews had 3.5 his Senior year, Aldon Smith had 4.5 his drafted year ,he had 20 last season.

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                  • Originally posted by myles2424 View Post
                    While all the FA RTs will end up signing for not much $$$ because its not a high value position, we spend a top 20 pick on a guy that might not even cut it at tackle & have to become a guard where he'll sit the bench for a year...
                    Yeah but the FA RTs are smelly.
                    I don't always root for the Cowboys but when I do I wear my pink Jessica Simpson edition Romo jersey. (yes I lost a bet)

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                    • Originally posted by Redeyejedi View Post
                      Clay Matthews had 3.5 his Senior year, Aldon Smith had 4.5 his drafted year ,he had 20 last season.
                      Neither were a Top 5 pick.

                      And both had much more upside than Ansah at the time. That's not to say Ansah (or any pick) won't turn out to be a great player in the NFL. But the Ansah pick was pure desperation in trying to turn Combine hype into something more than we've seen on film.

                      Having said that, Lining him up next to Suh should be fun to watch.

                      The point being that this draft doesn't have the perceived eye-popping talent of some past drafts, so instead of trying to make a dragon out of smoke, the Giants got the guy they really wanted.
                      I don't always root for the Cowboys but when I do I wear my pink Jessica Simpson edition Romo jersey. (yes I lost a bet)

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                      • He's a more complete prospect than Fluker, a better pass blocker, but without the girth for the run game. The way o line was getting snatched up they couldn't wait to pull the trigger. Also, I like Floyd as much as anybody, he's a special talent, but there's a reason he fell, NFL teams clearly saw or know something we don't.

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                        • Originally posted by EliIsTheBaas View Post
                          He's a more complete prospect than Fluker, a better pass blocker, but without the girth for the run game. The way o line was getting snatched up they couldn't wait to pull the trigger. Also, I like Floyd as much as anybody, he's a special talent, but there's a reason he fell, NFL teams clearly saw or know something we don't.
                          Actually Pugh is a really excellent run blocker.

                          We'll see how he translates at the NFL level.
                          I don't always root for the Cowboys but when I do I wear my pink Jessica Simpson edition Romo jersey. (yes I lost a bet)

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                          • Originally posted by 53canton View Post
                            31st ranked defense!!!!!!!!!!!!! No Osi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Werner was there!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                            Well maybe the Giants FO knows there is a lot of DEs and or DTs and LBs that will be there in the later rounds that maybe are not the popular picks but still will be able to come in and be solid starters for years to come for the Giants. With all the OLineman that came off the Boards so Quickly last night if the giants didn't pull the trigger on one when they did they may have not been to much left to choose from in later rounds. And whos to say if Warmack and Fluker were both available when we came up that JR wouldn't have drafted Pugh anyway. HE is KNOWN to do that. He has won the Giants two SBs in six Seasons drafting his way. So yea I was upset last night but after sleeping it off I realize that more times then not he is RIGHT when evaluating talent
                            Football has been very, very good to us.
                            After losing seasons 2013-15, the giants put up 11 wins in 16.. they are on way Back
                            But for now we can console ourselves with this fact-

                            # of Super Bowl victories since 1985:

                            1-Chicago, St. Louis, Tampa Bay, Indianapolis, New Orleans, Seattle
                            2-Washington, Green Bay, Pittsburgh, Baltimore
                            3-San Francisco, Dallas, Denver
                            4-New York Giants!!!
                            5-NE
                            Let's make it 5 in 2016 so we can be on a LINE NE again!!!

                            ***Stat provided by "Schloss22"***

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                            • Damontre Moore, Alex Okafor, Tank Carradine, Margus Hunt ... all of these guys had first round grades at some point or another after the 2012 NCAA season.

                              Tons of talent left on the boards at DE.
                              I don't always root for the Cowboys but when I do I wear my pink Jessica Simpson edition Romo jersey. (yes I lost a bet)

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                              • Originally posted by Kruunch View Post
                                Neither were a Top 5 pick.

                                And both had much more upside than Ansah at the time. That's not to say Ansah (or any pick) won't turn out to be a great player in the NFL. But the Ansah pick was pure desperation in trying to turn Combine hype into something more than we've seen on film.

                                Having said that, Lining him up next to Suh should be fun to watch.

                                The point being that this draft doesn't have the perceived eye-popping talent of some past drafts, so instead of trying to make a dragon out of smoke, the Giants got the guy they really wanted.
                                Ansah has the same upside as both of em, if not more.. And thats the whole point, the lions havte seen what guys like Matthews, JPP, and Aldon Smith have turned into, so its a "hot" time to try for some of these high upisde pass rushers.. Its one of the l smartest draft picks of the draft, if not thee.. How do u think the teams that let Aldon Smith, JPP, and Matthews pass them by feel?

                                U act like the guy didn't produce.. He produced all around, and not just sacks.. Jason pierre paul also only had 6 sacks....Not far off of Ansah's..

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