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  • #31
    I give it a c-. Addressed oline, added a great potential De, but ignored lb and cb. I don't like Webster and cringe at the thought of him getting burned again this year. Xavier Rhodes IMO was the bpa(mixed with need,floyd was pure bpa)as he wouldn't only help out in the pass game but the pass rush as well BUT I am content with pugh(for now). 2nd round I don't get at all even if the coaches think Marvin is done there are still plenty of good dts on our roster. 3rd was a steal and what we come to expect from Reese and company. 4th ruined the draft for me,don't get it don't like it? 5th was a reach IMO but an intriguing prospect, sash was too for that matter so take it for what it's worth. 6th was a dynamic rb from Clemson that is a huge steal IMO,unfortunately he went to ariz in the nassib trade. 7th we get a big guard,we shall see since Reese's late round lineman seem to always work out? Then we have 1 more and at this point I'm expecting very little. Like another poster said I'm looking forward to the UDfa's

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    • #32
      Pugh - C+ He will play but was overvalued.
      Hankins - B Current depth at DT will limit his snaps but LJ is an FA next year.
      Moore - B+ can't argue with his sack production. TC not afraid to cut or bench him if he doesn't fly right.
      Nassib - D Good QB but this team has holes that could have been filled. If Eli was 35 it would be a B+
      Herman - B- Looks like an upgrade over Petrus
      Cox - D Would have been avail as an FA

      Depending on the weight of the pick this is a C+ draft. Factor in that they need corners for the future in the worst way and passed on them drags it down to a C-. Trading up for Nassib makes it a D.

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      • #33
        I dont know anything about the draft so im not going to complain about certain guys, but i do understand the Giants and their apparent needs. Someone is going to have to explain to me why we didnt draft a linebacker? If we sign Dansby its all good, but we are trading up to draft a player (Nassib) we hope never plays when we have real needs? Someone explain this to me please.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Roswell777 View Post
          I dont know anything about the draft so im not going to complain about certain guys, but i do understand the Giants and their apparent needs. Someone is going to have to explain to me why we didnt draft a linebacker? If we sign Dansby its all good, but we are trading up to draft a player (Nassib) we hope never plays when we have real needs? Someone explain this to me please.
          The current PR tag line for Nassib is "too valuable to pass up". It is along the lines of "best player available" lie. To me they are missing the boat on value since value and need are always correlated. We have a Top 5 QB in his prime and a backup they like, that should drive the value of any QB in the draft to almost zero.

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          • #35
            I don't follow college football that closely so I won't try and grade the picks. If JR and TC are happy with them, that's good enough for me. But one thing I find slightly annoying about Reese is that he always talks like every guy he picks was the one they wanted all along or that he had so and so rated much higher. I mean how many times are we gonna here that he had guys slated at first round talent. Randle last year, Austin, the 3rd round DE this year. Just tell us why you like the player. We don't need to hear how you think you got a steal about every player you pick.
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            • #36
              Originally posted by thegreatone View Post
              I give it a c-. Addressed oline, added a great potential De, but ignored lb and cb. I don't like Webster and cringe at the thought of him getting burned again this year. Xavier Rhodes IMO was the bpa(mixed with need,floyd was pure bpa)as he wouldn't only help out in the pass game but the pass rush as well BUT I am content with pugh(for now). 2nd round I don't get at all even if the coaches think Marvin is done there are still plenty of good dts on our roster. 3rd was a steal and what we come to expect from Reese and company. 4th ruined the draft for me,don't get it don't like it? 5th was a reach IMO but an intriguing prospect, sash was too for that matter so take it for what it's worth. 6th was a dynamic rb from Clemson that is a huge steal IMO,unfortunately he went to ariz in the nassib trade. 7th we get a big guard,we shall see since Reese's late round lineman seem to always work out? Then we have 1 more and at this point I'm expecting very little. Like another poster said I'm looking forward to the UDfa's
              Great post.....I agree 100%. I like our 1st and 3rd rounds, 2nd round got us another huge situational defensive tackle....we now have 5000 pounds of defensive tackle on this team to go along with a backup QB in the 4th roundThis draft was a "C" at best
              "I like linebackers. I collect 'em. You can't have too many good ones." - Bill Parcells

              "Name the starting linebackers from 2007." - Jerry Reese

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              • #37
                I give this draft an A, though I'd like to point out that meaningful draft grades can't be given out until at least 3 years after the draft. I sincerely LOVE this draft. The more I look at it and analyze it, the more I love it.

                Rd 1 Analysis: Folks, DD is in decline and we have hole at RT, and Brewer is no proven replacement. In addition to this, Snee won't play for much longer. JP can come in right now and be a starter. He can play several positions, but flexibility is no reason to draft a player at 19. At that spot you are looking for above average potential. I think JP can be a really good guard. We only have a one year deal with Boothe. The experts all say his game tape is awesome. We needed Oline help, and have needed help for the past few years. We don't have another 3 years to wait for a project pick to develop.
                Last edited by B&RWarrior; 04-27-2013, 10:32 PM.
                Because of all of the effort and examination being poured into these predictions, the draft is a robust market that, in the aggregate, does a good job of sorting prospects from top to bottom.1 Yet despite so many people trying to “beat the market,” no single actor can do it consistently. Abnormal returns are likely due to luck, not skill. But that hasn’t stopped NFL executives from behaving with the confidence of traders.

                http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/...eat-the-draft/

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                • #38
                  Impossible to grade a draft without seeing these kids play against nfl talent. If four of them make a team like the giants then it's a good draft. If three of them become starters after the first year then it's a real good draft considering where their picking(not picking in the top ten).
                  Engage brain before speaking.

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                  • #39
                    Rd 2 Analysis: Why in the world does anyone bring up Kuhn and Austin as a reason not to draft a DT? Neither proved they were great at anything, though Kuhn showed off limited potential. Hankins is more powerful than either one, by far. He was the second best run defending tackle after Lotulelie (sp) in the draft. We were soft up the middle last year and this may address that issue for the long term. 30 year old Mike Patterson nor 35 year old Rogers are long term solutions, and did not factor into any draft decisions.

                    I have been BEGGING for a run stuffing DT for years now and we finally drafted one. A guy built to play 1 tech at the 3 tech. Best pick of the draft if he comes to play. Yes, Kuhn and/or Austin are now expendable. This kid has the potential to dominate at the point of attack like Robbins and the Hammer, freeing up our LBs to make plays. I don't see how you could have watched last year's run defense and feel Joseph alone is all we need. I love this pick. Hankings is our new run stopping gangster!
                    Because of all of the effort and examination being poured into these predictions, the draft is a robust market that, in the aggregate, does a good job of sorting prospects from top to bottom.1 Yet despite so many people trying to “beat the market,” no single actor can do it consistently. Abnormal returns are likely due to luck, not skill. But that hasn’t stopped NFL executives from behaving with the confidence of traders.

                    http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/...eat-the-draft/

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                    • #40
                      I'll give the draft a B-. I thought that we should have taken Okafor in the 3rd and Greene in the 4th. Nothing against Nassib because I understand the value, but I would rather have had Greene.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by nycsportzfan View Post
                        He gave pugh a B+??lol The guy was a mid 2nd rd prospect that went at pick 19.. Hes versatile yes, but theres plenty of versatile lineman out there.. Hes got some potential, and its a upgrade to our oline which is huge, but no way u can give Pugh a B+ grade, right below a A.. Thats crazy..

                        Overall, we've had a solid draft, and the pick of Damontre Moore has really solidified it for me, and as much as Hankins endurance worries me, he could be valuable if were to lose Linval down the rd, so its grown on me a bit more, and i do think Pugh will be a solid Guard for us, but the value was terrible..
                        No way Pugh makes it to the second round...He jumped charts after the senior game.

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                        • #42
                          Overall I'd have to give this draft a C.....

                          Pugh,although he may be a great player & some swear we didn't reach for him....Here's my beef,there's a better chance we have to move him around than him being able to play RT.....and we passed on much higher talent (nobody can argue that) that alone makes that pick a C....Crap teams pick for need while good teams get great BPAs that everyone else passes on, Pugh is a need pick....

                          Hankins, yes I know he's a great run stuffer, but he's still a one demensional player as of now....I believe he was picked exactly where he deserved,no value there.....The pick itself is B, once again passing on much better talent makes it a C+ IMO......I'm sorry but you don't pass on a CB that couldve cracked the starting lineup & the best non pass rushing Lb in the draft that could've easily started week 1, just to pick up a run stuffer......I like the player,dislike the pick....

                          Moore, everyone has a different opinion on him....but value wise it's a A+ pick....he's not a blazing monster off the edge, but he's obviously doing something right...& people claim his sacks are mostly coverage sacks.......my response to that is, then why the hell aren't all DEs putting up 21 tackles for loss & 12.5 sacks worth of coverage sacks then!?? Come on now!!! there's red flags off the field & when I heard "the program doesn't really endorse him" it scared the hell out of me......but upside of that is, he's only 20 years old & has some growing up to do....perhaps being picked in 3rd round can serve as a reality check & being a rookie on a NFL with alot of talent ahead of him can be a wake up call that it's not going to come easy....

                          The rest of the picks, no comment....I'm not a fan either way....I hope they're all future hall of farmers,but I'm not a fan of passing up on BPAs that also fill needs......this has been a trend for years now, rounds 4-7 you can count on no name players that are far out projects....I'm sorry but I'm going with the bigger names from the bigger programs, Marcus lattimore,Jonathan Franklin,devin Taylor,Quittin Patton,kasheem Greene,terry hawthorne,Micah Hyde,Cornelius Washington,Baccari Rambo,Jordan poyer,Nick kasa,Sanders Cummings,Shamarko Thomas,Gerald hodges,B.w Webb,etc....I'm sorry but these are the guys that are worth taking chances on in the end of the draft instead of a safety/guard/RB that would've never been draft......I can't understand at all out of the guys I listed, we come up with some crazy picks that wouldn't even had been drafted.....

                          Cooper Taylor, yea I know he's big & fast....but bad value in the 5th as far as other players that were still around....C
                          Eric Herman, looks promising, but still the guy wasn't going to be drafted....B-
                          Michael cox, why?? & who??? The guy impressed nobody in college,production sucked....ray Graham went Undrafted,end of story... D

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                          • #43
                            I'm thinking that we may have drafted our LBer and don't know it yet with the Cooper pick....

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by JesseJames View Post
                              I'm thinking that we may have drafted our LBer and don't know it yet with the Cooper pick....
                              Yes, the guy is 10 lbs away from 240. This is my 3rd favorite pick. I love this pick. We need a safety because no way will we throw away more money on Rolle. If he can put on weight then we have a smoking fast LB.
                              Because of all of the effort and examination being poured into these predictions, the draft is a robust market that, in the aggregate, does a good job of sorting prospects from top to bottom.1 Yet despite so many people trying to “beat the market,” no single actor can do it consistently. Abnormal returns are likely due to luck, not skill. But that hasn’t stopped NFL executives from behaving with the confidence of traders.

                              http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/...eat-the-draft/

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by FBomb View Post
                                So...anyone who doesn't agree with your brilliant opinion is automattically a homer? lol.....classic BS post. You could have easliy just given your grade without all the huff and puff, and chest thumping. I love that people label themselves as "realist" by bashing our GM's picks simply because it wasn't the pick you wanted.

                                Reese has already said that Pugh was his pick all along. People (including myself) have complained about our o-line and how bad our run game has been because of it. Reese addresses it with what will probably be our starting RT next season and now fans have changed his name to "Reach". It's laughable.
                                Yes the Oline was bad thats why I wanted for them to take Cordy Glenn a better prospect then Pugh last year. Now I will get the obligatory u think u know more then the Giants Scouts post which I dont believe at all. This is a message board and if I wasnt posting my opinion then what would be the point of posting on here at all. My opinion is this is the worst draft the Giants have had under Reese.That being said I also think this is the worst talented draft pool in that span so it does make some sense this would be the worst.I do however think there were opportunities to get better players at places of need.
                                I did not care for the Pugh pick at first but after seeing the 2nd and 3rd rd picks it didnt bother me as much.Still Comparing the physical talent of Pugh to recent Lineman picked at that spot he doesnt match up.
                                Last edited by Redeyejedi; 04-28-2013, 10:53 AM.

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