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Reality - Linebacker and Corner were already set before the draft, NOT need positions

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  • #31
    LB is one thing, in this defense you can hide your LB with DL play. Hankins and Joeseph will make them look better.

    The CBs are a wreck. Amukamara and Hosely are the only guys signed for 2014 worth mentioning. Webby, Ross and T2 are on 1 year deals and there is no one in the hopper. This was a solid CB draft and we failed to take advantage.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by slipknottin View Post
      So he can play ILB in a 3-4, and OLB in a 4-3, but he cant play MLB in a 43?

      Bet you he plays MLB for the Ravens often in a 43 too.

      "He played inside and outside linebacker, but the Ravens see him fitting as an inside backer within their scheme" - http://www.baltimoreravens.com/news/...4-a5b929beb896


      Or how about this, from the Ravens FO - http://www.baltimoreravens.com/video...3-739df4b822ef

      "we thought Brown was one of the best inside linebackers in this draft"
      They thought he was our FO didn't not to mention they have massive bodies in the DL that can help him. Our DL last year was not good, he would have been wasted here.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by EliManningUp View Post
        I don't know why everyone is screaming for a linebacker or corner....neither position was a need

        SLB - Rivers/Kiwi
        MLB - Connor/Herzlich
        WLB - Williams/Paysinger

        Outside of Ogletree, no other linebacker in this draft would start over Rivers/Connor/Williams.


        Corner - Prince/Webster/Hosley/Ross/Thomas

        We already spent high picks in the 2011 (Prince) and 2012 (Hosley) drafts on young corners. You have to give these guys a chance to grow. Webster is counted on to bounce back. Ross is very underrated as a #4 corner - look at the 2nd half of 2011 especially the SB run, he was practically lights out for us, and he was starting then.


        Our linebackers were hurt last year because our DTs were getting blown off the ball and not eating up space. Our corners were hurt last year because our DTs were getting zero push up the middle and QBs threw from a clean pocket. Our front office realized that, and went all in to fix the DT position, feeling that it will directly improve the LBs and CBs.
        THIS +100000000000000000000000000000000000000000
        Because of all of the effort and examination being poured into these predictions, the draft is a robust market that, in the aggregate, does a good job of sorting prospects from top to bottom.1 Yet despite so many people trying to “beat the market,” no single actor can do it consistently. Abnormal returns are likely due to luck, not skill. But that hasn’t stopped NFL executives from behaving with the confidence of traders.

        http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/...eat-the-draft/

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        • #34
          All I hear is Arthur Brown, Arthur Brown, Arthur Brown. Arthur Brown would have been getting engulfed by all those linemen that our Dline let get to the second level on running plays last year. Ravens have a stout middle that allow him to go and make plays, so please don't look at his production this year in Baltimore and think it translates to what he would do in a Giants uniform- different system, different personnel, different results.

          We got what we NEEDED to get a DT that can clog the running lanes and take on multiple blockers. I like Brown, but no way would I have chose him over Hankins in the second.
          Because of all of the effort and examination being poured into these predictions, the draft is a robust market that, in the aggregate, does a good job of sorting prospects from top to bottom.1 Yet despite so many people trying to “beat the market,” no single actor can do it consistently. Abnormal returns are likely due to luck, not skill. But that hasn’t stopped NFL executives from behaving with the confidence of traders.

          http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/...eat-the-draft/

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          • #35
            Originally posted by B&RWarrior View Post
            All I hear is Arthur Brown, Arthur Brown, Arthur Brown. Arthur Brown would have been getting engulfed by all those linemen that our Dline let get to the second level on running plays last year. Ravens have a stout middle that allow him to go and make plays, so please don't look at his production this year in Baltimore and think it translates to what he would do in a Giants uniform- different system, different personnel, different results.

            We got what we NEEDED to get a DT that can clog the running lanes and take on multiple blockers. I like Brown, but no way would I have chose him over Hankins in the second.
            exactly. hankins should get a lot of double teams and take them on, leaving room for our LB's to work. it starts in the trenches in a 4-3 and they just weren't that good last year. sure would a patrick willis help us out? hell yeah, but there were no patrick willis's in this draft

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            • #36
              thats why we went heavy on the dl paticulary at dt. if the line plays better the linebackets will too. ray lewis was awful after siragussa left and his production picked back up when he played behind ngata

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Cloud57 View Post
                None of those guys are good to be starters, we already have the 31st ranked defense
                This.

                Sometimes a linebacker needs to shoot through a gap, blow up a blocking scheme, or seal an edge.

                J-Will is the only guy that has the speed to pursue RBs and TEs....and he is neutralized by blockers.

                Rivers cannot be considered a good linebacker. He is simply not on the field enough. I think it's completely premature to assume he can stay on the field for an entire season. And given how many times he's been knocked on his *** from blockers, I question his field vision.

                Paysinger and Herzlich are average, at best.

                If career stats are any indication, it's debatable whether Dan Connor is an upgrade over Blackburn.
                "I like linebackers. I collect 'em. You can't have too many good ones." - Bill Parcells

                "Name the starting linebackers from 2007." - Jerry Reese

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by EliManningUp View Post
                  Because our DTs sucked. In a 4-3 defense, when your DTs suck, it will make your LBs/CBs look bad.
                  COMPLETLY disagree. When your DTs suck is when a MLB can really put up good stats (especially tackles). When the front (3 or 4) aren't stopping the run its the 2nd lines chance to shine. Look at all the lb's who have high tackles on either bad teams or teams with no push up front.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by B&RWarrior View Post
                    All I hear is Arthur Brown, Arthur Brown, Arthur Brown. Arthur Brown would have been getting engulfed by all those linemen that our Dline let get to the second level on running plays last year. Ravens have a stout middle that allow him to go and make plays, so please don't look at his production this year in Baltimore and think it translates to what he would do in a Giants uniform- different system, different personnel, different results.

                    We got what we NEEDED to get a DT that can clog the running lanes and take on multiple blockers. I like Brown, but no way would I have chose him over Hankins in the second.
                    I'm sorry but fixing the Dline problem against the run would've been much easier than hoping one of these LBs can actually play....I'm going franchise MLB that's on the field %100 of the time over a rotational DT...

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by slipknottin View Post
                      Connor the guy on his third team in three years? Yea hes a stud.

                      Arthur Brown will go to multiple probowls.
                      I'm with Slip here. I actually like Conner and think if he stays healthy has potential. Now, with that said, I'd much rather have brown. I really think Conner will have a solid year with us as long as he doesn't get hurt, which is part of the problem. But if we are looking for above solid play I'd take brown. Yes he's an unproven rookie and none of know what he will do in the league but we do already know what type of player Conner is. At best he can be very, very solid. Brown I feel at best will be a pro bowler.

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                      • #41
                        and quarterback wasen't set???lol

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Duckdownman View Post
                          COMPLETLY disagree. When your DTs suck is when a MLB can really put up good stats (especially tackles). When the front (3 or 4) aren't stopping the run its the 2nd lines chance to shine. Look at all the lb's who have high tackles on either bad teams or teams with no push up front.
                          Originally posted by myles2424 View Post
                          I'm sorry but fixing the Dline problem against the run would've been much easier than hoping one of these LBs can actually play....I'm going franchise MLB that's on the field 0 of the time over a rotational DT...
                          We're going to have to hope that Dan Connor takes it to another level in 2013. It's debatable whether he's better than Blackburn at this point. He's a couple years younger, but there's nothing on his statline that suggests he's an improvement over Chase.

                          Most recently, in 2012, Connor had 56 combined tackles, v. 98 for Chase. Granted, Dallas had a better overall defense, whereas Chase was forced to cover alot more ground. And there is the difference between the systems as well.

                          Maybe Connor will shine in Fewell's system. Let's hope.
                          "I like linebackers. I collect 'em. You can't have too many good ones." - Bill Parcells

                          "Name the starting linebackers from 2007." - Jerry Reese

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by slipknottin View Post
                            Arthur Brown would start over Connor.

                            I argued awhile ago that they probably wouldnt draft or didnt need a CB, at least not this season, but LB a couple guys could have stepped in and started.
                            I dont think Corner was a have to get but corner is a spot that drafting 1 if value is there is a good move

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