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  • Initial Draft Review: Reese Rocked the Draft!!!

    Rd 1 Analysis: Folks, DD is in decline and we have hole at RT, and Brewer is no proven replacement. In addition to this, Snee won't play for much longer. JP can come in right now and be a starter. He can play several positions, but flexibility is no reason to draft a player at 19. At that spot you are looking for above average potential. I think JP can be a really good guard. We only have a one year deal with Boothe. The experts all say his game tape is awesome. We needed Oline help, and have needed help for the past few years. We don't have another 3 years to wait for a project pick to develop.
    Rd 2 Analysis: Why in the world does anyone bring up Kuhn and Austin as a reason not to draft a DT? Neither proved they were great at anything, though Kuhn showed off limited potential. Hankins is more powerful than either one, by far. He was the second best run defending tackle after Lotulelie (sp) in the draft. We were soft up the middle last year and this may address that issue for the long term. 30 year old Mike Patterson nor 35 year old Rogers are long term solutions, and did not factor into any draft decisions.

    I have been BEGGING for a run stuffing DT for years now and we finally drafted one. A guy built to play 1 tech at the 3 tech. Best pick of the draft if he comes to play. Yes, Kuhn and/or Austin are now expendable. This kid has the potential to dominate at the point of attack like Robbins and the Hammer, freeing up our LBs to make plays. I don't see how you could have watched last year's run defense and feel Joseph alone is all we need. I love this pick. Hankins is our new run stopping gangster!

    Rd 3 Analysis: Great value here for Moore, but he’s 250 lbs and I see him as speed rush specialist. We have time for him to develop. I hope he can stay focused with all that NYC has to offer a 20 year old kid with a phat bank account. I like that he has proven production. The kid just needs to get stronger and treat this as a job.

    Rd4 Analysis: Nassib. IDK if I would have moved up to get him. We should start grooming somebody behind Eli, but it seems kind of early. Eli should have at least 5-6 years left. I understand the logic so it wasn’t that upsetting.

    Rd 5 Analysis: Taylor Cooper seems like a great pick. I never heard of the kid, but he’s got great measurable. He’ll be a great special teams guy and a force against the run and covering TEs. He could become a LB as well. He’s only 10 lbs away from 240. He could be a good safety or a really good LB if he can handle the transition. I love this pick.

    I don’t see much of a future for Herman or Cox; maybe Herman develops into something as a project linemen.

    Final draft grade: Need- A+, Value B+
    Because of all of the effort and examination being poured into these predictions, the draft is a robust market that, in the aggregate, does a good job of sorting prospects from top to bottom.1 Yet despite so many people trying to “beat the market,” no single actor can do it consistently. Abnormal returns are likely due to luck, not skill. But that hasn’t stopped NFL executives from behaving with the confidence of traders.

    http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/...eat-the-draft/

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    Here's the thing too. Everyone looks at Brewer like he's not gonna.be a factor and, at best, he's depth. I tend to lean.that way, too......however.....what if Brewer wins out the RT spot, Snee is at least closer to his standards than.he's been and now we have Pugh next to Beatty on the left?

    I realize that would require two "what ifs" to take root in.reality, but its really not out of the realm of possibility. Everyone prepares for worst case scenario with our roster (see 2011's "we'll NEVER have someone as clutch as Steve Smith in the slot!" crowd), but if we trust that this staff just might have a little bit of a clue as to what they're working with and doing then we can probably save 3 or 4 off-season heart attacks.

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    • #3
      i'm thrilled with our 1st round pick, because I think that reese & co don't think they need a o-lineman as much as they like Pugh.

      And i'm thrilled with Nassib as well. Great to have someone who could start to develop into a legit starter, even if it means trading him.
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      • #4
        I wonder had the draft gone this way -

        round 1 - Damontre Moore
        round 2 - Justin Pugh
        round 3 - Jonathan Hankins
        round 4 - Cooper Taylor
        round 5 - Ryan Nassib
        round 7 - Eric Herman
        round 7 - Michael Cox

        if people would be more pleased?

        I think a lot of people hate the positional values of the picks.
        Last edited by slipknottin; 04-28-2013, 07:05 PM.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by slipknottin View Post
          I wonder had the draft gone this way -

          round 1 - Damontre Moore
          round 2 - Justin Pugh
          round 3 - Jonathan Hankins
          round 4 - Cooper Taylor
          round 5 - Ryan Nassib
          round 7 - Eric Herman
          round 7 - Michael Cox

          if people would be more pleased?
          Good point

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          • #6
            Originally posted by slipknottin View Post
            I wonder had the draft gone this way -

            round 1 - Damontre Moore
            round 2 - Justin Pugh
            round 3 - Jonathan Hankins
            round 4 - Cooper Taylor
            round 5 - Ryan Nassib
            round 7 - Eric Herman
            round 7 - Michael Cox

            if people would be more pleased?

            I think a lot of people hate the positional values of the picks.
            Now I would question that draft. Moore seems like a very risky pick for the first round. Every player I've looked up that we've drafted I liked.
            Because of all of the effort and examination being poured into these predictions, the draft is a robust market that, in the aggregate, does a good job of sorting prospects from top to bottom.1 Yet despite so many people trying to “beat the market,” no single actor can do it consistently. Abnormal returns are likely due to luck, not skill. But that hasn’t stopped NFL executives from behaving with the confidence of traders.

            http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/...eat-the-draft/

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            • #7
              Sports illustrated gave the Giants a B grade. The more I think about the Nassib pick the more I think the Giants will use him as trade bait in about 1-2 years. Once he perfects his craft with Eli and Coughlin he will definitely be able to start on someone's team.

              http://nfl.si.com/2013/04/28/2013-nf...top-the-class/

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              • #8
                Originally posted by slipknottin View Post
                I wonder had the draft gone this way -

                round 1 - Damontre Moore
                round 2 - Justin Pugh
                round 3 - Jonathan Hankins
                round 4 - Cooper Taylor
                round 5 - Ryan Nassib
                round 7 - Eric Herman
                round 7 - Michael Cox

                if people would be more pleased?

                I think a lot of people hate the positional values of the picks.
                Good point, but I don't think Pugh would have lasted that deep into the 2nd round.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Cool Papa B. View Post
                  Good point, but I don't think Pugh would have lasted that deep into the 2nd round.
                  I'm not saying the giants should have drafted them in this order. I'm saying for some of us who don't like taking a RT in the first, or a QB in the forth it may seem like a better draft if you rearrange the order

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                  • #10
                    Damontre Moore is promoting his "draft party" at some nightclub via his twitter.....ehh....
                    If I was a supposed be a top pick that slid because of immaturity issues, I'm not sure if I'd be worried about throwing a party.....
                    I hope the character concerns aren't accurate..

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by myles2424 View Post
                      Damontre Moore is promoting his "draft party" at some nightclub via his twitter.....ehh....
                      If I was a supposed be a top pick that slid because of immaturity issues, I'm not sure if I'd be worried about throwing a party.....
                      I hope the character concerns aren't accurate..
                      Lots of players have draft parties. That alone isn't a concern

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by slipknottin View Post
                        Lots of players have draft parties. That alone isn't a concern
                        Seriously, these kids are on the cusp of accomplishing a life long dream. Celebration is in order. I am worried about a young kid that has trouble following the rules coming to NYC where distractions abound, but he will be a man that will have to sleep in the bed he makes. I hope he is ready to be a true professional.
                        Because of all of the effort and examination being poured into these predictions, the draft is a robust market that, in the aggregate, does a good job of sorting prospects from top to bottom.1 Yet despite so many people trying to “beat the market,” no single actor can do it consistently. Abnormal returns are likely due to luck, not skill. But that hasn’t stopped NFL executives from behaving with the confidence of traders.

                        http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/...eat-the-draft/

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by slipknottin View Post
                          Lots of players have draft parties. That alone isn't a concern
                          I know that, his situation is a bit different though.....btw, I don't know a ton about Moore,I know about the prior hype...but has anyone watched much of him? I've watched most of his non-highlights & I gotta be honest I'm not impressed what so ever.....

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by myles2424 View Post
                            I know that, his situation is a bit different though.....btw, I don't know a ton about Moore,I know about the prior hype...but has anyone watched much of him? I've watched most of his non-highlights & I gotta be honest I'm not impressed what so ever.....
                            The issue they had with Mathieu's draft party before the draft was the fact it said "future 1st rounder" on it which is bad form. Moore's has nothing like this so there really doesn't seem to be a problem. As for his tape, he always stood out as a mid to late 2nd rounder on film despite the production. As of now, he doesn't look like he has that rare ability to turn the corner like you want out of a top pass rusher but I think he makes a lot of sense on the left side where that isn't needed as much.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by TheEnigma View Post
                              The issue they had with Mathieu's draft party before the draft was the fact it said "future 1st rounder" on it which is bad form. Moore's has nothing like this so there really doesn't seem to be a problem. As for his tape, he always stood out as a mid to late 2nd rounder on film despite the production. As of now, he doesn't look like he has that rare ability to turn the corner like you want out of a top pass rusher but I think he makes a lot of sense on the left side where that isn't needed as much.
                              Not talking about a draft day party, a night club party being promoted as a nfl pick demontre moore appearance type of thing...not that that's a problem, but if one of my knocks was "immature, rather party than work hard" I'd probably avoid that scene for awhile...just saying. ...
                              But about the tape, I think a lot of people are happy as in the picks good value, but haven't watched much of him yet. ...minus the character issues & bad combine, I still don't see the hype

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