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    Continuing some highlights and lowlights of the QB prospects in this draft, here is a review of Wyoming QB Josh Allen. As I have mentioned, I am not a fan but I will try to highlight the good and the bad here with an open mind. I will start with the good and highlight his bowl game vs Central Michigan

    Good



    Arm Strength is legit. This is an easy throw but a bullet:
    https://j.gifs.com/Jq7LBl.gif

    This is beautiful. climbs the pocket and sets his feet. The result is an absolute seed for a TD
    https://j.gifs.com/0VX4KG.gif

    Shows an ability to get outside the pocket and makes a nice throw for a TD
    https://j.gifs.com/kZOz3r.gif


    Another strong throw on an out route. Nice catch by the WR as well
    https://j.gifs.com/xv7Q3z.gif


    Perfect deep ball for a TD
    https://j.gifs.com/Jq7Lo9.gif


    Another bullet. This is vs Iowa
    https://j.gifs.com/591j5q.gif


    Beautiful back shoulder throw
    https://j.gifs.com/32K7L9.gif


    This shows his athleticism. He wont be able to make this play in the NFL but nice anyways. But he has to learn to slide here
    https://j.gifs.com/W7j2Mn.gif


    Once again, arm strength is not a question
    https://j.gifs.com/oQ6Ewk.gif


    Avoids the rush and makes a nice throw on the move
    https://j.gifs.com/E96Dzl.gif


    Athleticism stands out again
    https://j.gifs.com/9QLnkz.gif


    Next level throw. Bad drop by the WR
    https://j.gifs.com/Xok3yV.gif


    Rocket shot on an out route
    https://j.gifs.com/N95PV2.gif


    Bad
    Airmails open guy
    https://j.gifs.com/gLQv4l.gif

    Pressured, throws ball up for grabs and almost picked off
    https://j.gifs.com/VP01G9.gif

    Have to throw this away
    https://j.gifs.com/L85Nop.gif

    Bad read. Should have been a pick six
    https://j.gifs.com/nrNDL5.gif

    Misses a wide open receiver
    https://j.gifs.com/zK9mEq.gif

    Cant hang a receiver out to dry like this
    https://j.gifs.com/1rQjnZ.gif

    Allen tends to trust his arm too much. This is a bad read that will get picked in the pros
    https://j.gifs.com/N9pxRv.gif

    Simple throw. Allen shows his inaccuracy here
    https://j.gifs.com/rRX0np.gif

    Bad footwork in pocket. Doesnt set his feet and throws a bad INT
    https://j.gifs.com/E9Glmg.gif

    Holds the ball too long, and then throws a pick
    https://j.gifs.com/4R483x.gif

    Throws behind his WR. Result another INT
    https://j.gifs.com/qYDjnp.gif

    You cannot do this in the Pros
    https://j.gifs.com/32OlxO.gif

    Doesn't set his feet again. INT
    https://j.gifs.com/kZD5WE.gif

    Sigh, throws across his body...pick. This is close to FG range to tie the game. Cannot do this
    https://j.gifs.com/Xon6GA.gif

    Get out of bounds!!! Cannot take these kinds of hits in the Pros
    https://j.gifs.com/voDgMX.gif


    My overall thoughts on Allen are that he is a project. If he hits, he can be very good. But guys like this tend to struggle in the pros. I saw a comp for him that is almost perfect. He is Cardale Jones from Ohio State. Every tool in the book is there, but he is not close to being able to play in the NFL. He will go round 1...but he should not.

  • #2
    Most of the bad was bad, but a good chunk of those "missed an open receiver" or "didnt set his feet" were because he wasnt able to because of pressure in his face or forcing him out of the pocket. The "simple throw" isnt that simple. that end undercuts the back and makes the throwing window a significant amount smaller. If he puts a bunch of air under it to throw it over that guy, 43 is coming to lay out his back the second he catches it.

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    • #3
      TX tdawg!

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      • #4
        Originally posted by mikeq6722 View Post
        Most of the bad was bad, but a good chunk of those "missed an open receiver" or "didnt set his feet" were because he wasnt able to because of pressure in his face or forcing him out of the pocket. The "simple throw" isnt that simple. that end undercuts the back and makes the throwing window a significant amount smaller. If he puts a bunch of air under it to throw it over that guy, 43 is coming to lay out his back the second he catches it.
        The simple throw is a simple throw for a projected top 10 NFL pick. He does not throw with touch at all. And a lot of the time, Allen leaves the pocket way too early which gives you the thought that there is pressure.

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        • #5
          A lot of his mistakes are due to him just not reading what the defense is giving him. If I'm a scout or coach, that's a beautiful flaw to have because I can at least teach him how to read and how to use his eyes. You can't teach the amazing intangibles he has. Some of the interception throws you can see on the play that he had no one open. Absolutely no separation from his WRs, the pocket is collapsing, and he's just gunning it to the WR and hoping for the best.

          On this throw here: https://j.gifs.com/Xon6GA.gif He glued his eyes to that one WR but if he had looked to his left just a little bit he would have seen a completely wide open WR coming across the middle (you can see him as the ball is zipping across the field). Then you have a play like this https://j.gifs.com/32K7L9.gif where you look at his head and he does a terrific job of moving his head and reading his WRs. You also notice he has time in the pocket and looks comfortable. That WR wasn't even open. None of his WRs were. It just shows you how crucial a back shoulder throw can be. You have to be on the same page as your WRs to execute a pass like that though. When CBs are completely glued to your receiving core you need clever ways to execute passes.

          This throw wasn't that awful: https://j.gifs.com/rRX0np.gif I see quarterbacks every week in the NFL completely air mail their RBs on this exact throw. He at least put it on his body. A good receiving RB should be able to catch a pass like this. If it hits both of your hands, it should be a reception. If you watch the play again you will notice the DE gets into his line of sight. If he placed the ball more inside on the RB there's a chance that DE either deflects the pass or if he's really athletic, intercepts it. If he lofts the pass over his head the pass gets there too slowly and that linebacker blows up the play in the backfield. Really that outside shoulder is the only safe place to put it. I think that play was going to be stopped anyways. Look at that linebacker coming in hot.
          Last edited by compaqnigg; 01-10-2018, 03:56 PM.

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          • #6

            This throw wasn't that awful: https://j.gifs.com/rRX0np.gif I see quarterbacks every week in the NFL completely air mail their RBs on this exact throw. He at least put it on his body. A good receiving RB should be able to catch a pass like this. If it hits both of your hands, it should be a reception. If you watch the play again you will notice the DE gets into his line of sight. If he placed the ball more inside on the RB there's a chance that DE either deflects the pass or if he's really athletic, intercepts it. If he lofts the pass over his head the pass gets there too slowly and that linebacker blows up the play in the backfield. Really that outside shoulder is the only safe place to put it. I think that play was going to be stopped anyways. Look at that linebacker coming in hot.[/QUOTE]

            Better ball placement here would give his RB the opportunity to turn up and make a play. Because he put it where he is, the RB has no forward momentum and would have probably been stopped for a loss. So the RB actually not making the catch works out better. That is a simple throw for an NFL QB and should be for a kid who is touted as a top NFL prospect at the QB position.

            Yes, he has all the tools. When I watch him I think of the baseball saying "He is more of a thrower than a pitcher". That is exactly what Allen is. More of a thrower than a QB. He has a lot to learn to be able to play at the NFL level.

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            • #7
              Im not too familiar with Allen but wow, the dude looks big, strong and can run, like him.

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              • #8
                Not one of the good was a thread the needle all wide open .
                Never go to battle with the intellectually unarmed.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by TEM View Post
                  Not one of the good was a thread the needle all wide open .
                  He can thread the needle. What he cannot do is throw with any touch at all. Everything is a bullet.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by tdawg1413 View Post
                    Continuing some highlights and lowlights of the QB prospects in this draft, here is a review of Wyoming QB Josh Allen. As I have mentioned, I am not a fan but I will try to highlight the good and the bad here with an open mind. I will start with the good and highlight his bowl game vs Central Michigan

                    Good



                    Arm Strength is legit. This is an easy throw but a bullet:
                    https://j.gifs.com/Jq7LBl.gif

                    This is beautiful. climbs the pocket and sets his feet. The result is an absolute seed for a TD
                    https://j.gifs.com/0VX4KG.gif

                    Shows an ability to get outside the pocket and makes a nice throw for a TD
                    https://j.gifs.com/kZOz3r.gif


                    Another strong throw on an out route. Nice catch by the WR as well
                    https://j.gifs.com/xv7Q3z.gif


                    Perfect deep ball for a TD
                    https://j.gifs.com/Jq7Lo9.gif


                    Another bullet. This is vs Iowa
                    https://j.gifs.com/591j5q.gif


                    Beautiful back shoulder throw
                    https://j.gifs.com/32K7L9.gif


                    This shows his athleticism. He wont be able to make this play in the NFL but nice anyways. But he has to learn to slide here
                    https://j.gifs.com/W7j2Mn.gif


                    Once again, arm strength is not a question
                    https://j.gifs.com/oQ6Ewk.gif


                    Avoids the rush and makes a nice throw on the move
                    https://j.gifs.com/E96Dzl.gif


                    Athleticism stands out again
                    https://j.gifs.com/9QLnkz.gif


                    Next level throw. Bad drop by the WR
                    https://j.gifs.com/Xok3yV.gif


                    Rocket shot on an out route
                    https://j.gifs.com/N95PV2.gif


                    Bad
                    Airmails open guy
                    https://j.gifs.com/gLQv4l.gif

                    Pressured, throws ball up for grabs and almost picked off
                    https://j.gifs.com/VP01G9.gif

                    Have to throw this away
                    https://j.gifs.com/L85Nop.gif

                    Bad read. Should have been a pick six
                    https://j.gifs.com/nrNDL5.gif

                    Misses a wide open receiver
                    https://j.gifs.com/zK9mEq.gif

                    Cant hang a receiver out to dry like this
                    https://j.gifs.com/1rQjnZ.gif

                    Allen tends to trust his arm too much. This is a bad read that will get picked in the pros
                    https://j.gifs.com/N9pxRv.gif

                    Simple throw. Allen shows his inaccuracy here
                    https://j.gifs.com/rRX0np.gif

                    Bad footwork in pocket. Doesnt set his feet and throws a bad INT
                    https://j.gifs.com/E9Glmg.gif

                    Holds the ball too long, and then throws a pick
                    https://j.gifs.com/4R483x.gif

                    Throws behind his WR. Result another INT
                    https://j.gifs.com/qYDjnp.gif

                    You cannot do this in the Pros
                    https://j.gifs.com/32OlxO.gif

                    Doesn't set his feet again. INT
                    https://j.gifs.com/kZD5WE.gif

                    Sigh, throws across his body...pick. This is close to FG range to tie the game. Cannot do this
                    https://j.gifs.com/Xon6GA.gif

                    Get out of bounds!!! Cannot take these kinds of hits in the Pros
                    https://j.gifs.com/voDgMX.gif


                    My overall thoughts on Allen are that he is a project. If he hits, he can be very good. But guys like this tend to struggle in the pros. I saw a comp for him that is almost perfect. He is Cardale Jones from Ohio State. Every tool in the book is there, but he is not close to being able to play in the NFL. He will go round 1...but he should not.
                    Awesome. Thanks for this.

                    He has a serious fastball. I can't remember anyone prospect in the last little while with his arm.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by tdawg1413 View Post

                      He can thread the needle. What he cannot do is throw with any touch at all. Everything is a bullet.
                      He lacks touch and anticipation. He's really far away from throwing guys open, more of a see it throw it kind of guy. It'll get there in a hurry, though.

                      If somehow he convinces Dorsey to take him, I wonder who the Giants will draft

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                      • #12
                        He accepted an invite to the Senior Bowl, today

                        An opportunity to show his talent.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by tdawg1413 View Post

                          He can thread the needle. What he cannot do is throw with any touch at all. Everything is a bullet.
                          https://youtu.be/QTuKHNz9vbA?t=1m24s (the pass at 1:24)

                          and from your links:
                          https://j.gifs.com/Jq7Lo9.gif

                          Another one, leads his player into a long loft pass:
                          https://youtu.be/QTuKHNz9vbA?t=1m59s

                          Lets get another touch pass in there:
                          https://youtu.be/QTuKHNz9vbA?t=5m20s

                          Now that's sexy:
                          https://youtu.be/QTuKHNz9vbA?t=6m47s

                          Very smart decision on this jump pass here. Drew all the defenders in and lofts it up where only his WR could get it:
                          https://youtu.be/QTuKHNz9vbA?t=6m9s

                          I think we debunked that myth just now.

                          Here's a bonus play (off topic) because this one is HILARIOUS. He jukes the safety SO NASTY that the safety, while getting his ankles broken, tries to swing his legs at him in a desperate fashion to try and trip him/tackle him. https://youtu.be/QTuKHNz9vbA?t=8m16s
                          .
                          Last edited by compaqnigg; 01-11-2018, 01:57 AM.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by fifthavephil View Post
                            He accepted an invite to the Senior Bowl, today

                            An opportunity to show his talent.




                            Hopefully the Cleveland Browns will fall in love with him.

                            sigpic

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                            • #15
                              His footwork is very amateur and needs tons of work.

                              His lead foot is all over the place.

                              He needs a lot of work, imo. We'll see at the combine.

                              I still maintain Darnold under Eli for a year will result in the best qb in this draft SOLONG as we have a McDaniels or Shurmur as coach or equal level oc.

                              If we get Patricia and an oc who isn't known for developing qb then we absolutely NEED to trade back for an additional first next year and scoop up a Minkah or a Roq Smith or Quenton.

                              And roll with 2-years-to-learn-his-craft Webb.

                              I think Webb with 2 years of learning would be a capable nfl starter.

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