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    Continuing some highlights and lowlights of the QB prospects in this draft, here is a review of Wyoming QB Josh Allen. As I have mentioned, I am not a fan but I will try to highlight the good and the bad here with an open mind. I will start with the good and highlight his bowl game vs Central Michigan

    Good



    Arm Strength is legit. This is an easy throw but a bullet:
    https://j.gifs.com/Jq7LBl.gif

    This is beautiful. climbs the pocket and sets his feet. The result is an absolute seed for a TD
    https://j.gifs.com/0VX4KG.gif

    Shows an ability to get outside the pocket and makes a nice throw for a TD
    https://j.gifs.com/kZOz3r.gif


    Another strong throw on an out route. Nice catch by the WR as well
    https://j.gifs.com/xv7Q3z.gif


    Perfect deep ball for a TD
    https://j.gifs.com/Jq7Lo9.gif


    Another bullet. This is vs Iowa
    https://j.gifs.com/591j5q.gif


    Beautiful back shoulder throw
    https://j.gifs.com/32K7L9.gif


    This shows his athleticism. He wont be able to make this play in the NFL but nice anyways. But he has to learn to slide here
    https://j.gifs.com/W7j2Mn.gif


    Once again, arm strength is not a question
    https://j.gifs.com/oQ6Ewk.gif


    Avoids the rush and makes a nice throw on the move
    https://j.gifs.com/E96Dzl.gif


    Athleticism stands out again
    https://j.gifs.com/9QLnkz.gif


    Next level throw. Bad drop by the WR
    https://j.gifs.com/Xok3yV.gif


    Rocket shot on an out route
    https://j.gifs.com/N95PV2.gif


    Bad
    Airmails open guy
    https://j.gifs.com/gLQv4l.gif

    Pressured, throws ball up for grabs and almost picked off
    https://j.gifs.com/VP01G9.gif

    Have to throw this away
    https://j.gifs.com/L85Nop.gif

    Bad read. Should have been a pick six
    https://j.gifs.com/nrNDL5.gif

    Misses a wide open receiver
    https://j.gifs.com/zK9mEq.gif

    Cant hang a receiver out to dry like this
    https://j.gifs.com/1rQjnZ.gif

    Allen tends to trust his arm too much. This is a bad read that will get picked in the pros
    https://j.gifs.com/N9pxRv.gif

    Simple throw. Allen shows his inaccuracy here
    https://j.gifs.com/rRX0np.gif

    Bad footwork in pocket. Doesnt set his feet and throws a bad INT
    https://j.gifs.com/E9Glmg.gif

    Holds the ball too long, and then throws a pick
    https://j.gifs.com/4R483x.gif

    Throws behind his WR. Result another INT
    https://j.gifs.com/qYDjnp.gif

    You cannot do this in the Pros
    https://j.gifs.com/32OlxO.gif

    Doesn't set his feet again. INT
    https://j.gifs.com/kZD5WE.gif

    Sigh, throws across his body...pick. This is close to FG range to tie the game. Cannot do this
    https://j.gifs.com/Xon6GA.gif

    Get out of bounds!!! Cannot take these kinds of hits in the Pros
    https://j.gifs.com/voDgMX.gif


    My overall thoughts on Allen are that he is a project. If he hits, he can be very good. But guys like this tend to struggle in the pros. I saw a comp for him that is almost perfect. He is Cardale Jones from Ohio State. Every tool in the book is there, but he is not close to being able to play in the NFL. He will go round 1...but he should not.

  • #2
    Most of the bad was bad, but a good chunk of those "missed an open receiver" or "didnt set his feet" were because he wasnt able to because of pressure in his face or forcing him out of the pocket. The "simple throw" isnt that simple. that end undercuts the back and makes the throwing window a significant amount smaller. If he puts a bunch of air under it to throw it over that guy, 43 is coming to lay out his back the second he catches it.

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    • #3
      TX tdawg!

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      • #4
        Originally posted by mikeq6722 View Post
        Most of the bad was bad, but a good chunk of those "missed an open receiver" or "didnt set his feet" were because he wasnt able to because of pressure in his face or forcing him out of the pocket. The "simple throw" isnt that simple. that end undercuts the back and makes the throwing window a significant amount smaller. If he puts a bunch of air under it to throw it over that guy, 43 is coming to lay out his back the second he catches it.
        The simple throw is a simple throw for a projected top 10 NFL pick. He does not throw with touch at all. And a lot of the time, Allen leaves the pocket way too early which gives you the thought that there is pressure.

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        • #5
          A lot of his mistakes are due to him just not reading what the defense is giving him. If I'm a scout or coach, that's a beautiful flaw to have because I can at least teach him how to read and how to use his eyes. You can't teach the amazing intangibles he has. Some of the interception throws you can see on the play that he had no one open. Absolutely no separation from his WRs, the pocket is collapsing, and he's just gunning it to the WR and hoping for the best.

          On this throw here: https://j.gifs.com/Xon6GA.gif He glued his eyes to that one WR but if he had looked to his left just a little bit he would have seen a completely wide open WR coming across the middle (you can see him as the ball is zipping across the field). Then you have a play like this https://j.gifs.com/32K7L9.gif where you look at his head and he does a terrific job of moving his head and reading his WRs. You also notice he has time in the pocket and looks comfortable. That WR wasn't even open. None of his WRs were. It just shows you how crucial a back shoulder throw can be. You have to be on the same page as your WRs to execute a pass like that though. When CBs are completely glued to your receiving core you need clever ways to execute passes.

          This throw wasn't that awful: https://j.gifs.com/rRX0np.gif I see quarterbacks every week in the NFL completely air mail their RBs on this exact throw. He at least put it on his body. A good receiving RB should be able to catch a pass like this. If it hits both of your hands, it should be a reception. If you watch the play again you will notice the DE gets into his line of sight. If he placed the ball more inside on the RB there's a chance that DE either deflects the pass or if he's really athletic, intercepts it. If he lofts the pass over his head the pass gets there too slowly and that linebacker blows up the play in the backfield. Really that outside shoulder is the only safe place to put it. I think that play was going to be stopped anyways. Look at that linebacker coming in hot.
          Last edited by compaqnigg; 01-10-2018, 04:56 PM.

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          • #6

            This throw wasn't that awful: https://j.gifs.com/rRX0np.gif I see quarterbacks every week in the NFL completely air mail their RBs on this exact throw. He at least put it on his body. A good receiving RB should be able to catch a pass like this. If it hits both of your hands, it should be a reception. If you watch the play again you will notice the DE gets into his line of sight. If he placed the ball more inside on the RB there's a chance that DE either deflects the pass or if he's really athletic, intercepts it. If he lofts the pass over his head the pass gets there too slowly and that linebacker blows up the play in the backfield. Really that outside shoulder is the only safe place to put it. I think that play was going to be stopped anyways. Look at that linebacker coming in hot.[/QUOTE]

            Better ball placement here would give his RB the opportunity to turn up and make a play. Because he put it where he is, the RB has no forward momentum and would have probably been stopped for a loss. So the RB actually not making the catch works out better. That is a simple throw for an NFL QB and should be for a kid who is touted as a top NFL prospect at the QB position.

            Yes, he has all the tools. When I watch him I think of the baseball saying "He is more of a thrower than a pitcher". That is exactly what Allen is. More of a thrower than a QB. He has a lot to learn to be able to play at the NFL level.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by tdawg1413 View Post

              The simple throw is a simple throw for a projected top 10 NFL pick. He does not throw with touch at all. And a lot of the time, Allen leaves the pocket way too early which gives you the thought that there is pressure.
              But if he throws that with touch and leads em like youre asking for in seperate posts, the back is getting blasted by that linebacker flying in. I think youre oversimplifying that throw a great deal based on whats actually happening. Plus as compaq said, I see NFL qbs miss that throw every single game when guys are wide open, nevermind when someone cuts underneath into the throwing lane.

              Stuff like this is why I keep trying to avoid analyzing the qb's, its too damn hard without being able to talk to them and ask what they saw and why they made that decision and so on.

              People are losing their minds over Tua from Monday night, but no one seems to think if you give Josh Allen(for instance) that line/protection and those weapons all year that he doesnt rip it up. Instead hes playing for Wyoming in blizzards a couple times a year while running for his life because that team sucked and the playcalling was even worse.

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              • #8
                Im not too familiar with Allen but wow, the dude looks big, strong and can run, like him.

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                • #9
                  Not one of the good was a thread the needle all wide open .
                  The Dallas Cowboys have now gone exactly One Third of their pathetic existence without a Super bowl appearance.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by TEM View Post
                    Not one of the good was a thread the needle all wide open .
                    He can thread the needle. What he cannot do is throw with any touch at all. Everything is a bullet.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by tdawg1413 View Post
                      Continuing some highlights and lowlights of the QB prospects in this draft, here is a review of Wyoming QB Josh Allen. As I have mentioned, I am not a fan but I will try to highlight the good and the bad here with an open mind. I will start with the good and highlight his bowl game vs Central Michigan

                      Good



                      Arm Strength is legit. This is an easy throw but a bullet:
                      https://j.gifs.com/Jq7LBl.gif

                      This is beautiful. climbs the pocket and sets his feet. The result is an absolute seed for a TD
                      https://j.gifs.com/0VX4KG.gif

                      Shows an ability to get outside the pocket and makes a nice throw for a TD
                      https://j.gifs.com/kZOz3r.gif


                      Another strong throw on an out route. Nice catch by the WR as well
                      https://j.gifs.com/xv7Q3z.gif


                      Perfect deep ball for a TD
                      https://j.gifs.com/Jq7Lo9.gif


                      Another bullet. This is vs Iowa
                      https://j.gifs.com/591j5q.gif


                      Beautiful back shoulder throw
                      https://j.gifs.com/32K7L9.gif


                      This shows his athleticism. He wont be able to make this play in the NFL but nice anyways. But he has to learn to slide here
                      https://j.gifs.com/W7j2Mn.gif


                      Once again, arm strength is not a question
                      https://j.gifs.com/oQ6Ewk.gif


                      Avoids the rush and makes a nice throw on the move
                      https://j.gifs.com/E96Dzl.gif


                      Athleticism stands out again
                      https://j.gifs.com/9QLnkz.gif


                      Next level throw. Bad drop by the WR
                      https://j.gifs.com/Xok3yV.gif


                      Rocket shot on an out route
                      https://j.gifs.com/N95PV2.gif


                      Bad
                      Airmails open guy
                      https://j.gifs.com/gLQv4l.gif

                      Pressured, throws ball up for grabs and almost picked off
                      https://j.gifs.com/VP01G9.gif

                      Have to throw this away
                      https://j.gifs.com/L85Nop.gif

                      Bad read. Should have been a pick six
                      https://j.gifs.com/nrNDL5.gif

                      Misses a wide open receiver
                      https://j.gifs.com/zK9mEq.gif

                      Cant hang a receiver out to dry like this
                      https://j.gifs.com/1rQjnZ.gif

                      Allen tends to trust his arm too much. This is a bad read that will get picked in the pros
                      https://j.gifs.com/N9pxRv.gif

                      Simple throw. Allen shows his inaccuracy here
                      https://j.gifs.com/rRX0np.gif

                      Bad footwork in pocket. Doesnt set his feet and throws a bad INT
                      https://j.gifs.com/E9Glmg.gif

                      Holds the ball too long, and then throws a pick
                      https://j.gifs.com/4R483x.gif

                      Throws behind his WR. Result another INT
                      https://j.gifs.com/qYDjnp.gif

                      You cannot do this in the Pros
                      https://j.gifs.com/32OlxO.gif

                      Doesn't set his feet again. INT
                      https://j.gifs.com/kZD5WE.gif

                      Sigh, throws across his body...pick. This is close to FG range to tie the game. Cannot do this
                      https://j.gifs.com/Xon6GA.gif

                      Get out of bounds!!! Cannot take these kinds of hits in the Pros
                      https://j.gifs.com/voDgMX.gif


                      My overall thoughts on Allen are that he is a project. If he hits, he can be very good. But guys like this tend to struggle in the pros. I saw a comp for him that is almost perfect. He is Cardale Jones from Ohio State. Every tool in the book is there, but he is not close to being able to play in the NFL. He will go round 1...but he should not.
                      Awesome. Thanks for this.

                      He has a serious fastball. I can't remember anyone prospect in the last little while with his arm.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by tdawg1413 View Post

                        He can thread the needle. What he cannot do is throw with any touch at all. Everything is a bullet.
                        He lacks touch and anticipation. He's really far away from throwing guys open, more of a see it throw it kind of guy. It'll get there in a hurry, though.

                        If somehow he convinces Dorsey to take him, I wonder who the Giants will draft

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                        • #13
                          He accepted an invite to the Senior Bowl, today

                          An opportunity to show his talent.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by tdawg1413 View Post

                            He can thread the needle. What he cannot do is throw with any touch at all. Everything is a bullet.
                            https://youtu.be/QTuKHNz9vbA?t=1m24s (the pass at 1:24)

                            and from your links:
                            https://j.gifs.com/Jq7Lo9.gif

                            Another one, leads his player into a long loft pass:
                            https://youtu.be/QTuKHNz9vbA?t=1m59s

                            Lets get another touch pass in there:
                            https://youtu.be/QTuKHNz9vbA?t=5m20s

                            Now that's sexy:
                            https://youtu.be/QTuKHNz9vbA?t=6m47s

                            Very smart decision on this jump pass here. Drew all the defenders in and lofts it up where only his WR could get it:
                            https://youtu.be/QTuKHNz9vbA?t=6m9s

                            I think we debunked that myth just now.

                            Here's a bonus play (off topic) because this one is HILARIOUS. He jukes the safety SO NASTY that the safety, while getting his ankles broken, tries to swing his legs at him in a desperate fashion to try and trip him/tackle him. https://youtu.be/QTuKHNz9vbA?t=8m16s
                            .
                            Last edited by compaqnigg; 01-11-2018, 02:57 AM.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by fifthavephil View Post
                              He accepted an invite to the Senior Bowl, today

                              An opportunity to show his talent.




                              Hopefully the Cleveland Browns will fall in love with him.

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