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  • Jackson Jeffcoat DE Texas was brilliant against Texas Tech. They moved him all over, and he ended up with 7tackles and 3sacks. He certainly raised his stock yesterday. The problem is, he might be to small for a natural 4/3 end. I could see the giants show interst in the way that Seattle uses Bruce Irvin, as a speciality edge rusher on obvious pass downs. Hes a playmaker, no doubt about it. I'm more intrigued after yesterdays game. He may be a late 1st rd pick, but will certainly be gone no later then RD2.

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    • Originally posted by nycsportzfan View Post
      I've been saying this basically all yr long. I don't know what took people so long to see Nicks was not the same player and was simply not coming back. I've known this for the entire yr.
      I see some positives picking Mike Evans but also some big time negatives that worry me with him in the Giant offense.

      The good: He is a big target that the Giants surely could use in the redzone. We won a Super Bowl being a pass first team but Eli's horrendous play this season has me believing we should revert back to 2007-08 version of the Giant offense and Evans fits that. Evans high points the ball very well. He sees a lot of 50/50 balls with Manziel chucking a lot of balls up for grabs and he wins the majority of them. His blocking on the outside is magnificent and rarely discussed when people talk about his game. He would be a huge asset in the run game on the perimeter. If the Giants can get Wilson on the edge in space Evans who blocks like a TE could spring him.


      The Bad: I have a lot of concerns about Mike Evans in Gilbrides system. He is coming from a very basic offensive system and I see the potential for Major growing pains. Much of Mike Evans production is based off broken plays where Manziel runs around for 5 seconds and throws it up for grabs. While the ability to find space and being the superior physical player on jump balls is a plus how many of those opportunities is Mike Evans going to get in the NFL. This bodes well for the Giants red zone offense but as far as beating DB's with his route running he has a long way to go.
      Last edited by Redeyejedi; 12-01-2013, 09:32 AM.

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      • Originally posted by Redeyejedi View Post
        I see some positives picking Mike Evans but also some big time negatives that worry me with him in the Giant offense.

        The good: He is a big target that the Giants surely could use in the redzone. We won a Super Bowl being a pass first team but Eli's horrendous play this season has me believing we should revert back to 2007-08 version of the Giant offense and Evans fits that. Evans high points the ball very well. He sees a lot of 50/50 balls with Manziel chucking a lot of balls up for grabs and he wins the majority of them. His blocking on the outside is magnificent and rarely discussed when people talk about his game. He would be a huge asset in the run game on the perimeter. If the Giants can get Wilson on the edge in space Evans who blocks like a TE could spring him.


        The Bad: I have a lot of concerns about Mike Evans in Gilbrides system. He is coming from a very basic offensive system and I see the potential for Major growing pains. Much of Mike Evans production is based off broken plays where Manziel runs around for 5 seconds and throws it up for grabs. While the ability to find space and being the superior physical player on jump balls is a plus how many of those opportunities is Mike Evans going to get in the NFL. This bodes well for the Giants red zone offense but as far as beating DB's with his route running he has a long way to go.
        That is a good overview of Evans. I agree on the positives and negatives. He has the tools to be a stud but the last WR we took in a non pro style offense was Jernigan... Although they are completely different builds and play styles but it is the same concept that they need to get to know the playbook and they need to clean up their routes. The broken plays are a huge part of his production. I wouldn't mind seeing someone like Paul Richardson or another guy I really like is Davante Adams WR from Fresno St. He is a Soph RS, this year he has almost 1500 yards and 22 TDs. In his career so far (two years) he has almost 2800 yards and 36 TD's! He is a freak, he is 6'2 and is fast. He has strength and elusiveness to get great YAC numbers.

        There isn't too much tape of him but here is a highlight of his RS Freshman season so you can get an idea of his play style
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        1st) O.J Howard TE Bama 2nd) D. Walker DE F.S.U 3rd) S. Perine RB Oklahoma
        4th) E. Magnuson OT/OG Mich 5th) J. Replogle DT Purde
        6th) Fred Ross WR Miss St 7th) J. Reeves-Maybin LB Tenn
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        • Originally posted by Redeyejedi View Post
          I see some positives picking Mike Evans but also some big time negatives that worry me with him in the Giant offense.

          The good: He is a big target that the Giants surely could use in the redzone. We won a Super Bowl being a pass first team but Eli's horrendous play this season has me believing we should revert back to 2007-08 version of the Giant offense and Evans fits that. Evans high points the ball very well. He sees a lot of 50/50 balls with Manziel chucking a lot of balls up for grabs and he wins the majority of them. His blocking on the outside is magnificent and rarely discussed when people talk about his game. He would be a huge asset in the run game on the perimeter. If the Giants can get Wilson on the edge in space Evans who blocks like a TE could spring him.


          The Bad: I have a lot of concerns about Mike Evans in Gilbrides system. He is coming from a very basic offensive system and I see the potential for Major growing pains. Much of Mike Evans production is based off broken plays where Manziel runs around for 5 seconds and throws it up for grabs. While the ability to find space and being the superior physical player on jump balls is a plus how many of those opportunities is Mike Evans going to get in the NFL. This bodes well for the Giants red zone offense but as far as beating DB's with his route running he has a long way to go.
          Good assement. I know hes got weaknesses, but are redzone play has been downright embaressing, and we just aren't the same without that big strong outside WR ala Plax and Nicks(when he was playing well). And as you said, his blocking is tremendous, and with David Wilson, it could be a godsend for him on the edge, as well as both Wilson and Brown in the screen game, which we gotta get back to being better at. Evans hasen't been tremendous the last several wks, outside of one big wk, but i've seen what i need to see from him. As you recall, i loved Alshon Jeffrey, even when many talked about his deep speed and physical fitness, but his size and strength are just imposing. I've been watching jeffrey completely dominate DB's one on one "physically" all yr long, almost to the point of its not fair. Thats exactly who Mike Evans reminds me of.

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          • I wonder how much weight Zac Stacy has put on since the draft? I was watching some vandy highlights of him yesterday and have seen him a few times this yr, and he looks alot bigger. God , i wish we would of drafted him. I loved em as a sleeper back. That balance and thick tree trunk thighs is awesome. Also, his pass catching is very good. Zac Stacy is a stud.

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            • Originally posted by nycsportzfan View Post
              I wonder how much weight Zac Stacy has put on since the draft? I was watching some vandy highlights of him yesterday and have seen him a few times this yr, and he looks alot bigger. God , i wish we would of drafted him. I loved em as a sleeper back. That balance and thick tree trunk thighs is awesome. Also, his pass catching is very good. Zac Stacy is a stud.
              Loved him as well. Its funny almost every writer I talked to from the draft sites loved him. Its weird how NFL scouts were all so wrong on him. The guy might not be blazing fast but his vision is exceptional and he is a factor in the passing game as a blocker and receiver. He will be a good RB for a long time.

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              • Originally posted by nycsportzfan View Post
                Good assement. I know hes got weaknesses, but are redzone play has been downright embaressing, and we just aren't the same without that big strong outside WR ala Plax and Nicks(when he was playing well). And as you said, his blocking is tremendous, and with David Wilson, it could be a godsend for him on the edge, as well as both Wilson and Brown in the screen game, which we gotta get back to being better at. Evans hasen't been tremendous the last several wks, outside of one big wk, but i've seen what i need to see from him. As you recall, i loved Alshon Jeffrey, even when many talked about his deep speed and physical fitness, but his size and strength are just imposing. I've been watching jeffrey completely dominate DB's one on one "physically" all yr long, almost to the point of its not fair. Thats exactly who Mike Evans reminds me of.
                I would agree some similarities in strengths and weaknesses between Evans and Jeffery. Its Gilbrides offense that has me concerned .Dont want to draft a guy top 10 and have him struggle for 2 years figuring it out.

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                • Originally posted by Redeyejedi View Post
                  I would agree some similarities in strengths and weaknesses between Evans and Jeffery. Its Gilbrides offense that has me concerned .Dont want to draft a guy top 10 and have him struggle for 2 years figuring it out.
                  What about a guy like Sammy Watkins? I see a lot more Evans talk. Watkins is electric and has decent size...
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                  • Originally posted by Kovalchuk71 View Post
                    What about a guy like Sammy Watkins? I see a lot more Evans talk. Watkins is electric and has decent size...
                    Evans scares me, for all the reasons red eye listed and then some. However, I'm just as afraid to see how much Gilbride could waste an explosive player like Watkins.

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                    • Originally posted by Redeyejedi View Post
                      I would agree some similarities in strengths and weaknesses between Evans and Jeffery. Its Gilbrides offense that has me concerned .Dont want to draft a guy top 10 and have him struggle for 2 years figuring it out.
                      Alshon Jeffrey ended up having 12recept 249yards 2td..lol I rest my case!!!!lol Nah, i get what ur saying wit Gilbride. Hopefully he'll be gone, but i think even plax and toomer(last couple yrs at least), and iNicks have all had success in Gilbrides system. But i do think those guys could've been even better in other systems. So i get ur point. I still like the fit enough to take the risk though.

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                      • Originally posted by FL_Giants View Post
                        Evans scares me, for all the reasons red eye listed and then some. However, I'm just as afraid to see how much Gilbride could waste an explosive player like Watkins.
                        He likes em alot as well, hence the strengths in our system. The bears run a similar offense to the giants and Alshon Jeffrey is tearing it up. Sometimes the player just figures out how to fit in despite what we think.

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                        • Time for my Weekly mock. We defeated the Skins 24-17 to give us a record of 5-7 going to SD next wk. I got us picking 13th this wk. Up untill Justin Tuck decided to look like Old School Tuck, all i could think was DE through the game, but also, Beatty struggled again, and Eli was under quite a bit of duress, so Oline could be the pick, and also, Nicks wasen't impressive yet again, and is all but gone, so WR also should still be in play..



                          1). Mike Evans WR Texas A&M- We need a power WR to join the slippery Vic Cruz, and the graceful Rueben Randle.. I loved Michael Floyd and Alshon Jeffrey, and both are becoming nightmare matchups in the NFL. Mike Evans reminds me of both, and i think we'll figure a way to make him fit nicely with Eli. Also, our Redzone offense has been mostly bad, and Evans obviously will upgrade that, and with Wilson returning next yr, a WR that can block like Evans is also kinda nice..

                          2).Aaron Donald DT Pittsburgh- I think he's gonna go in Rd1 by Draft day, but as of now, i can get away with putting em here. Truly disruptive 4/3 DT, who would fit like a glove next to the big run stuffing John Hankins. Donald has rare explosion and underrated strength from a guy his size(hes a bit small). He lives in the backfield, and we simply gotta start getting consistent pressure from the DT positon, as it will open up JPP and the rest of the DE's to make plays.

                          3).Deone Bucannon S Washington St- By now, everyone knows how much i love this guy. Antrel Rolles been flat out brilliant this yr, and Bucannon has the size to be similar in Run Defense and also is quite instinctive and makes alot of plays in pass coverge. Hes a big intimidating player that can really lay the wood also. Bucannon is the perfect future replacement for Rolle and could pair with Will Hill to make for one of the more fearsome starting S duo's in the NFL.

                          4).Chris Watt G Notre Dame- This guys been impressive this yr, and completely dominated BYU a couple wks ago, and has moved up my personal rankings as the yr rolls on. I want Pugh to stay at RT, so Watt will help ensure that..

                          5).Jonathan Brown OLB Illinois- I think Rivers will be resigned, and Brown will be drafted to give us more youth on the LB core and as competiton for Rivers. Brown can get to the QB and has had a pretty good career with Illinois overall.

                          6).Ricardo Allen CB Purdue- I love the physical play of this kid. Hes smallish but plays big and is a bright spot on a crumby team.

                          7) Beason picked up for this pick

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                          • Originally posted by nycsportzfan View Post
                            Time for my Weekly mock. We defeated the Skins 24-17 to give us a record of 5-7 going to SD next wk. I got us picking 13th this wk. Up untill Justin Tuck decided to look like Old School Tuck, all i could think was DE through the game, but also, Beatty struggled again, and Eli was under quite a bit of duress, so Oline could be the pick, and also, Nicks wasen't impressive yet again, and is all but gone, so WR also should still be in play..



                            1). Mike Evans WR Texas A&M- We need a power WR to join the slippery Vic Cruz, and the graceful Rueben Randle.. I loved Michael Floyd and Alshon Jeffrey, and both are becoming nightmare matchups in the NFL. Mike Evans reminds me of both, and i think we'll figure a way to make him fit nicely with Eli. Also, our Redzone offense has been mostly bad, and Evans obviously will upgrade that, and with Wilson returning next yr, a WR that can block like Evans is also kinda nice..

                            2).Aaron Donald DT Pittsburgh- I think he's gonna go in Rd1 by Draft day, but as of now, i can get away with putting em here. Truly disruptive 4/3 DT, who would fit like a glove next to the big run stuffing John Hankins. Donald has rare explosion and underrated strength from a guy his size(hes a bit small). He lives in the backfield, and we simply gotta start getting consistent pressure from the DT positon, as it will open up JPP and the rest of the DE's to make plays.

                            3).Deone Bucannon S Washington St- By now, everyone knows how much i love this guy. Antrel Rolles been flat out brilliant this yr, and Bucannon has the size to be similar in Run Defense and also is quite instinctive and makes alot of plays in pass coverge. Hes a big intimidating player that can really lay the wood also. Bucannon is the perfect future replacement for Rolle and could pair with Will Hill to make for one of the more fearsome starting S duo's in the NFL.

                            4).Chris Watt G Notre Dame- This guys been impressive this yr, and completely dominated BYU a couple wks ago, and has moved up my personal rankings as the yr rolls on. I want Pugh to stay at RT, so Watt will help ensure that..

                            5).Jonathan Brown OLB Illinois- I think Rivers will be resigned, and Brown will be drafted to give us more youth on the LB core and as competiton for Rivers. Brown can get to the QB and has had a pretty good career with Illinois overall.

                            6).Ricardo Allen CB Purdue- I love the physical play of this kid. Hes smallish but plays big and is a bright spot on a crumby team.

                            7) Beason picked up for this pick
                            I like the players but I think that we should get a LB or OL in round one. WR will be a need a think but I am actually thinking that we can get someone who will be able to fill the WR3 spot in round 2 or 3 easily since there are a ton of WR prospects that are good this year IMO and there is bound to be one that falls farther than anticipated. Donald in round 2 would be a steal on our part, Bucannon is nice and would be solid for years to come with Hill. I think we need to get a OG and OLB earlier than rounds 4 and 5 though... Allen is a nice way to finish the draft off and I wouldn't even be against taking him in the 5th.

                            If we were to get Watt in the 4th then I would hope that we would be getting a solid LB somewhere in rounds 1-3 and then the other two picks for value that could help us.
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                            Mock Draft
                            1st) O.J Howard TE Bama 2nd) D. Walker DE F.S.U 3rd) S. Perine RB Oklahoma
                            4th) E. Magnuson OT/OG Mich 5th) J. Replogle DT Purde
                            6th) Fred Ross WR Miss St 7th) J. Reeves-Maybin LB Tenn
                            ________________________________________________________
                            Strick's 2015 All-Sleeper Team - http://boards.giants.com/showthread....t=sleeper+team

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                            • Originally posted by NYGfanSTRICK View Post
                              I like the players but I think that we should get a LB or OL in round one. WR will be a need a think but I am actually thinking that we can get someone who will be able to fill the WR3 spot in round 2 or 3 easily since there are a ton of WR prospects that are good this year IMO and there is bound to be one that falls farther than anticipated. Donald in round 2 would be a steal on our part, Bucannon is nice and would be solid for years to come with Hill. I think we need to get a OG and OLB earlier than rounds 4 and 5 though... Allen is a nice way to finish the draft off and I wouldn't even be against taking him in the 5th.

                              If we were to get Watt in the 4th then I would hope that we would be getting a solid LB somewhere in rounds 1-3 and then the other two picks for value that could help us.
                              Don't forget we have FA'cy to fill needs as well. Theres to many needs to be filled to get it all done via draft. And even though WR is deep, which i agree, i'm still sold on Mike Evans and the kinda fit he'll be with Eli and Randle and Cruz. When we won it all last time, it was alot due to the complement of WR's eli had. Hes never done really well with the smaller WR types and has always done well with the bigger physical guys. If Evans can be half the player for us that i think Floyd and Jeffrey are gonna be with there teams for yrs to come, then hes well worth it. Just the fact, ur gonna have Randle, Cruz , and Evans on the field alot together makes it downright impossible to double up anyone. Its gonna be pick ur posion for opponets.. Also, Mike Evans is probably the best blocking WR in this class which is a big deal.

                              Outta all my mocks, this is probably the one that gets me most excited. I honestly believe there are 4above avg starters in the first 4rds of this mock which is almost impossible to get.. Watt and Evans will help the run game very much also,..

                              As far as defense, we pick up Bucannon, whos a do everything big bodied stud S who has better instincts then most S's in this class. At his size, to be able to make as many plays as he does on the ball is fairly unique. Aaron Donald has probowl potential and is as smooth a fit next to Hankins as i think u can have, at least on paper. Jonathan Brown has starting potential and at worst, will be adequete depth with Rivers being injury prone. I also really like how Jaq Williams has progressed as teh season has gone along, and i'm hoping we resign Beason longterm. That would give us 3starters in Williams, Beason, and Rivers, with Paysinger(possibly) and Brown as depth, and then maybe we bring back Dan Conner next yr also on a cheap 1yr deal.

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                              • Originally posted by NYGfanSTRICK View Post
                                I like the players but I think that we should get a LB or OL in round one. WR will be a need a think but I am actually thinking that we can get someone who will be able to fill the WR3 spot in round 2 or 3 easily since there are a ton of WR prospects that are good this year IMO and there is bound to be one that falls farther than anticipated. Donald in round 2 would be a steal on our part, Bucannon is nice and would be solid for years to come with Hill. I think we need to get a OG and OLB earlier than rounds 4 and 5 though... Allen is a nice way to finish the draft off and I wouldn't even be against taking him in the 5th.

                                If we were to get Watt in the 4th then I would hope that we would be getting a solid LB somewhere in rounds 1-3 and then the other two picks for value that could help us.
                                If Chris Snee retires which is a real possibility I think the Giants will go hard after the top interior lineman in FA. They know they can't go into next season like this again. K think we will see a Guard or Center drafted in the first 3 rounds as well. Look for Boothe or Baas to be the teams starting Center.

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