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  • #91
    Originally posted by NYGfanSTRICK View Post
    Don't get me wrong I think Mosley is a good player but I would not pick him in the top 5 ESPECIALLY if Clowney is available too. Clowney might not be a "leader" but he makes teams plan their entire offensive game plan around him. You can not pass up on that kind of talent. He is not a cancer, Spurrier knows that he is the best in the country and I'm sure he understands where Clowney is coming from by trying to protect himself. If Clowney was gone and we had a top 5 pick I would take Anthony Barr over Mosley. He is another game wrecker. I also like Mack from Buffalo too so there is a lot of options and Mosley would definitely not be out of the conversation if Clowney was indeed off the board.
    Thanks for not calling me a moron like someone else did in this post. I agree now that I was wrong - Mosley - by most experts isn't a top 5 pick but it seems like he's definitely going to be gone by 15. I truly believe more than anything that this team needs to fire PF and aquire a leader at the mike. That's why I think its critical to get a player like Mosley. A player like him at that position won't be there in later rounds. So I would say we should trade down to pick him up - here's some information I got about Mosley from a guy who has him rated above Barr for the reason stated below:

    "I do like Mosley a lot, not sure if he'll be a top 5 pick this year but he's a guy who will def be a first rounder. Mosley and Barr are really different players. I see potential when I watch Barr; he doesn't have a ton of experience but he's got a high ceiling to get even better. Mosley is a smart and instinctive linebacker that is a leader and a proven playmaker. I thought he could have been a first round pick last year. In the end, I would go the safer route and rate the proven talent ahead of the player with a high ceiling. Not to take anything away from Barr, I have high grades on him too, but I have Mosley graded a little higher. Thanks for reading!"

    -Clint Clearwater
    NFL Draft Director and Senior Writer
    thefootballexpert.com

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    • #92
      Barr and Mosley also dont play the same position at all.

      Barr is a 3-4 OLB, or a 4-3 DE (maybe a SAM in an under front)

      Mosley is pure LB, in the mold of perhaps a Lavonte David.

      Barr is in that list of special players in terms of pure explosion. Barr, Clowney, Shazier are the 3 I would say are special physically.

      I do like Mosley, but is he the prospect Kuechly, or Willis were? Id have to say no. Watching him, I think Mosley is more of a late first kind of guy. 20 is about as high as I would consider taking him.

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      • #93
        Here's a great video on Mosley. IMO he's someone I could build a defense around. Of course - I'm old school and maybe over-rate the importance of the mike too much.

        www.youtube.com/watch?v=ByqjIaOSXmE


        from the bama lighthouse in review of ole miss game:

        "Greatest American Hero: Who doesnít love CJ Mosley after this game? The only thing missing from his Superman performance was a cape because the dude did everything you could ask of him and more. One of my favorite plays Iíll ever remember will be the fourth down pass that he swatted away near the Bama goal line. The play itself was routine but the fact that it was coming only seconds after he was pile driven into the ground looooong after the whistle blew is what makes the play so special. To hear Trey DePriest tell it, Mosley went loco after the mauling (and, honestly, the entire stadium did because it was the most obvious flagrant and very personal foul ever committed). How he was able to keep his wits about him and actually play his coverage and do his job is amazing. Mosley is a once in a generation type of defender and itís no wonder Nick Saban is so giddy when he talks about him."

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        • #94
          Originally posted by Redeyejedi View Post
          Mosley is a nice player absolutely but he is not the explosive playmaker those guys are
          I agree. Hes a good prospect, but people are getting carried away with the top 10 stuff. Is he really any better then Sean Weatherspoon was?

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          • #95
            Originally posted by slipknottin View Post
            Barr and Mosley also dont play the same position at all.

            Barr is a 3-4 OLB, or a 4-3 DE (maybe a SAM in an under front)

            Mosley is pure LB, in the mold of perhaps a Lavonte David.

            Barr is in that list of special players in terms of pure explosion. Barr, Clowney, Shazier are the 3 I would say are special physically.

            I do like Mosley, but is he the prospect Kuechly, or Willis were? Id have to say no. Watching him, I think Mosley is more of a late first kind of guy. 20 is about as high as I would consider taking him.
            agreed.

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            • #96
              Originally posted by nycsportzfan View Post
              I agree. Hes a good prospect, but people are getting carried away with the top 10 stuff. Is he really any better then Sean Weatherspoon was?
              If we are picking that high I will be upset if we dont end up with an elite playmaker. Clowney,Barr, Roby I want someone like that. I would be tempted to take Mack over him as well. Although I havent seen nearly as much on Mack
              Last edited by Redeyejedi; 10-08-2013, 07:05 PM.

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              • #97
                Originally posted by nycsportzfan View Post
                I agree. Hes a good prospect, but people are getting carried away with the top 10 stuff. Is he really any better then Sean Weatherspoon was?
                Weatherspoon's weak side linebacker who was projected to go late first or second. Anyway - I don't know - but I doubt he ever had an article like this written about him:

                http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2013/1...eadership-and/

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                • #98
                  plus factor in that C J Mosley's an SEC linebacker - Weatherspoon at Missouri - Big Twelve back then

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                  • #99
                    I'm not going to get started on this SEC LBs are better thing. But they aren't.

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                    • Is Jon Beason a leader?

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                      • Originally posted by giants8493 View Post
                        Is Jon Beason a leader?
                        He was.

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                        • Originally posted by nycsportzfan View Post
                          agreed.
                          "It's hard to see another linebacker overtaking Mosley for the top spot. Like Luke Kuechly in 2012 and Patrick Willis in 2007, Mosley should go wire to wire as the best middle linebacker in the class. The question is whether or not he's as good as those two top 10 picks. As our preseason scouting report notes, Mosley is a do-it-all linebacker with athleticism and fast." sbnation.com

                          also from there:

                          2012 Stats: 66 tackles, 41 assisted tackles, 8 tackles for loss, 4 sacks, 2 interceptions
                          While everyone was talking about the leadership of Manti Te'o and the athleticism of Alec Ogletree, Alabama's C.J. Mosely was the best linebacker in college football in 2012. Playing in a star-studded defense, Mosley stood out on a weekly basis, showing he could do it all as a linebacker.

                          While Te'o took home the Butkus award, Mosley was a consensus first team All-American and should once again be among the best inside linebackers in the nation in 2013. In fact, his decision to return to school was one of the more puzzling moves of last draft season. He won a National Championship and appeared to be a lock to get drafted in the first half of round one. But Mosley will finish out his degree and add to his illustrious career. What else can he prove?

                          What he does well
                          Mosley combines plus athleticism with snap anticipation to get a good beat on the ball on most plays. He's a fast linebacker with the ability to close on the football in a hurry and stop plays before they get started. From a technique standpoint, linebackers don't come much cleaner than Mosley. He rolls his hips well through contact, stays low when taking on blockers and sheds effectively to free himself up in the running game. That technique also allows him to use his explosive lower half to punish ball carriers, and he has proven to be a reliable wrap-up tackler.

                          In the NFL, a linebacker has to be able to do more than just run and hit. Coverage is an essential element of a linebacker's game. Mosley excels in this area, showing fluid hips and the ability to read quarterbacks' eyes in zone coverage. His four interceptions are evidence of that. His athleticism also flashes in coverage, as he has decent hands and body control.

                          What he needs to improve on
                          Mosley has the size to play inside linebacker in the NFL, but he has the room to add more weight to his frame. The NFL requires a different level of strength, and there's no doubt Mosley will get there.

                          Another minor nitpick of Mosley's game is that he's not a well-rounded or consistent pass rusher. Blockers tend to get into his pads and he doesn't have much in the way of pass rush moves. While this isn't a major area of concern, if Mosley can improve his ability to get after the quarterback, he will be even more scheme versatile and valuable come draft time. He has the explosiveness and get off to be effective in this area.

                          Bottom line
                          One of the most well-rounded prospects in the 2014 NFL Draft, Mosley will only be held back by positional value. Middle linebackers aren't usually picked in the top five of the NFL Draft, but he has the talent to sneak into the top 10. He's a well-rounded player that looks ready to contribute right away.

                          2012 Stats: 66 tackles, 41 assisted tackles, 8 tackles for loss, 4 sacks, 2 interceptions
                          While everyone was talking about the leadership of Manti Te'o and the athleticism of Alec Ogletree, Alabama's C.J. Mosely was the best linebacker in college football in 2012. Playing in a star-studded defense, Mosley stood out on a weekly basis, showing he could do it all as a linebacker.

                          While Te'o took home the Butkus award, Mosley was a consensus first team All-American and should once again be among the best inside linebackers in the nation in 2013. In fact, his decision to return to school was one of the more puzzling moves of last draft season. He won a National Championship and appeared to be a lock to get drafted in the first half of round one. But Mosley will finish out his degree and add to his illustrious career. What else can he prove?

                          What he does well
                          Mosley combines plus athleticism with snap anticipation to get a good beat on the ball on most plays. He's a fast linebacker with the ability to close on the football in a hurry and stop plays before they get started. From a technique standpoint, linebackers don't come much cleaner than Mosley. He rolls his hips well through contact, stays low when taking on blockers and sheds effectively to free himself up in the running game. That technique also allows him to use his explosive lower half to punish ball carriers, and he has proven to be a reliable wrap-up tackler.

                          In the NFL, a linebacker has to be able to do more than just run and hit. Coverage is an essential element of a linebacker's game. Mosley excels in this area, showing fluid hips and the ability to read quarterbacks' eyes in zone coverage. His four interceptions are evidence of that. His athleticism also flashes in coverage, as he has decent hands and body control.

                          What he needs to improve on
                          Mosley has the size to play inside linebacker in the NFL, but he has the room to add more weight to his frame. The NFL requires a different level of strength, and there's no doubt Mosley will get there.

                          Another minor nitpick of Mosley's game is that he's not a well-rounded or consistent pass rusher. Blockers tend to get into his pads and he doesn't have much in the way of pass rush moves. While this isn't a major area of concern, if Mosley can improve his ability to get after the quarterback, he will be even more scheme versatile and valuable come draft time. He has the explosiveness and get off to be effective in this area.

                          Bottom line
                          One of the most well-rounded prospects in the 2014 NFL Draft, Mosley will only be held back by positional value. Middle linebackers aren't usually picked in the top five of the NFL Draft, but he has the talent to sneak into the top 10. He's a well-rounded player that looks ready to contribute right away.

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                          • I think we all agree with that. He is the best MLB in this draft and certainly a better prospect than Teo or Ogletree.

                            But it's still a MLB in a draft class loaded with positions of more importance. Pass rusher being one. Which is why Barr will certainly be drafted before Mosley.

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                            • Originally posted by slipknottin View Post
                              He was.
                              Do you know what happened to Beason that Chase beat him out? Or was it a money thing.

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                              • Originally posted by slipknottin View Post
                                I think we all agree with that. He is the best MLB in this draft and certainly a better prospect than Teo or Ogletree.

                                But it's still a MLB in a draft class loaded with positions of more importance. Pass rusher being one. Which is why Barr will certainly be drafted before Mosley.
                                ok - Barr it is - if he's there. If we can get Clowney maybe we can trade down to get Barr and Mosley if we throw in another draft pick or two.

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