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    [quote user="Raptor22"]For the last few weeks, I've been thinking that the Giants could/should trade back with the Jets if Phil Taylor is still there, because well, they need a new Kris Jenkins, and they're basically the same guy.

    But what would you say to the Giants drafting him? He, Joseph, or Canty in the middle would mean roughly 700lbs of big, strong, quick humanity rushing forwards, and could pretty much ensure that the ends get 1 on 1's, a TE/RB block, or a free shot.



    [/quote]




    I'm a big phil taylor fan as well, he's slightly growing on me over paea but in the end i feel like the giants need a pass rushing interior presence. someone who has the quickness or burst off the ball to make plays and disrupt the pocket. Taylor has immense strength/bull rush but in the nfl its much harder to excel pass rushing as a DT with just strength alone, you have to have that explosion off the line of scrimmage. If I was a team in need of drafting a DT to shore up run defense i'd absolutely go with taylor though. but thats just me tho, its pretty much debatable whether or not the giants even need a DT

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      [quote user="Neverend"]

      [quote user="Raptor22"]For the last few weeks, I've been thinking that the Giants could/should trade back with the Jets if Phil Taylor is still there, because well, they need a new Kris Jenkins, and they're basically the same guy.

      But what would you say to the Giants drafting him? He, Joseph, or Canty in the middle would mean roughly 700lbs of big, strong, quick humanity rushing forwards, and could pretty much ensure that the ends get 1 on 1's, a TE/RB block, or a free shot.



      [/quote]




      I'm a big phil taylor fan as well, he's slightly growing on me over paea but in the end i feel like the giants need a pass rushing interior presence. someone who has the quickness or burst off the ball to make plays and disrupt the pocket. Taylor has immense strength/bull rush but in the nfl its much harder to excel pass rushing as a DT with just strength alone, you have to have that explosion off the line of scrimmage. If I was a team in need of drafting a DT to shore up run defense i'd absolutely go with taylor though. but thats just me tho, its pretty much debatable whether or not the giants even need a DT

      [/quote]

      Well, I'm thinking that Taylor is going to get a 1-on-1 sometimes, and when he does, he can get in the backfield faster than a guy his size has any right to (I saw one report (Wes Bunting?) say that Taylor is basically unblockable 1-on-1). He reminds me of Joseph in that, while he's got a NT's frame, he plays like a 3tech. At the very least he's going to command a double team pretty much every play, which will open up opportunities for somebody else.

      I'd love to get Paea too (but that's pretty much understood at this point lol)

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        [quote user="Neverend"]

        [quote user="Raptor22"]For the last few weeks, I've been thinking that the Giants could/should trade back with the Jets if Phil Taylor is still there, because well, they need a new Kris Jenkins, and they're basically the same guy.

        But what would you say to the Giants drafting him? He, Joseph, or Canty in the middle would mean roughly 700lbs of big, strong, quick humanity rushing forwards, and could pretty much ensure that the ends get 1 on 1's, a TE/RB block, or a free shot.



        [/quote]




        I'm a big phil taylor fan as well, he's slightly growing on me over paea but in the end i feel like the giants need a pass rushing interior presence. someone who has the quickness or burst off the ball to make plays and disrupt the pocket. Taylor has immense strength/bull rush but in the nfl its much harder to excel pass rushing as a DT with just strength alone, you have to have that explosion off the line of scrimmage. If I was a team in need of drafting a DT to shore up run defense i'd absolutely go with taylor though. but thats just me tho, its pretty much debatable whether or not the giants even need a DT

        [/quote] Oh, i think the giants could use a DT, for sure.. With cofield, all but out the door, and Linval being a unknown, and Bernard aging by the yr and also being kinda a dissapointment so far, and canty offering very little playmaking ability from the DT spot, the giants seriously need a pass rush DT, and i for one, would prefer either liuget in RD 1, or Nevis in RD 2or3... I love Linval Joseph, and his potential, but i think hes gonna hopefully grow into a NT type, that on occasion, can get through and get the QB or RB behind the line, and Nevis's skills will mix well with Canty and Linval and Bernard...

        Another Run Stuffer who is kinda underrated is Ian Williams of ND.. He'll clog some lanes for a team that needs that..


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          [quote user="nycsportzfan"][quote user="Neverend"]


          [quote user="Raptor22"]For the last few weeks, I've been thinking that the Giants could/should trade back with the Jets if Phil Taylor is still there, because well, they need a new Kris Jenkins, and they're basically the same guy.

          But what would you say to the Giants drafting him? He, Joseph, or Canty in the middle would mean roughly 700lbs of big, strong, quick humanity rushing forwards, and could pretty much ensure that the ends get 1 on 1's, a TE/RB block, or a free shot.



          [/quote]




          I'm a big phil taylor fan as well, he's slightly growing on me over paea but in the end i feel like the giants need a pass rushing interior presence. someone who has the quickness or burst off the ball to make plays and disrupt the pocket. Taylor has immense strength/bull rush but in the nfl its much harder to excel pass rushing as a DT with just strength alone, you have to have that explosion off the line of scrimmage. If I was a team in need of drafting a DT to shore up run defense i'd absolutely go with taylor though. but thats just me tho, its pretty much debatable whether or not the giants even need a DT




          [/quote] Oh, i think the giants could use a DT, for sure.. With cofield, all but out the door, and Linval being a unknown, and Bernard aging by the yr and also being kinda a dissapointment so far, and canty offering very little playmaking ability from the DT spot, the giants seriously need a pass rush DT, and i for one, would prefer either liuget in RD 1, or Nevis in RD 2or3... I love Linval Joseph, and his potential, but i think hes gonna hopefully grow into a NT type, that on occasion, can get through and get the QB or RB behind the line, and Nevis's skills will mix well with Canty and Linval and Bernard...

          Another Run Stuffer who is kinda underrated is Ian Williams of ND.. He'll clog some lanes for a team that needs that..


          [/quote]




          Yeah I want a 3 Tech that can get into the backfield. Jarvis Jenkins of Clemson created a ton of Bowers sacks

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            [quote user="nycsportzfan"][quote user="Neverend"]


            [quote user="Raptor22"]For the last few weeks, I've been thinking that the Giants could/should trade back with the Jets if Phil Taylor is still there, because well, they need a new Kris Jenkins, and they're basically the same guy.

            But what would you say to the Giants drafting him? He, Joseph, or Canty in the middle would mean roughly 700lbs of big, strong, quick humanity rushing forwards, and could pretty much ensure that the ends get 1 on 1's, a TE/RB block, or a free shot.



            [/quote]




            I'm a big phil taylor fan as well, he's slightly growing on me over paea but in the end i feel like the giants need a pass rushing interior presence. someone who has the quickness or burst off the ball to make plays and disrupt the pocket. Taylor has immense strength/bull rush but in the nfl its much harder to excel pass rushing as a DT with just strength alone, you have to have that explosion off the line of scrimmage. If I was a team in need of drafting a DT to shore up run defense i'd absolutely go with taylor though. but thats just me tho, its pretty much debatable whether or not the giants even need a DT




            [/quote] Oh, i think the giants could use a DT, for sure.. With cofield, all but out the door, and Linval being a unknown, and Bernard aging by the yr and also being kinda a dissapointment so far, and canty offering very little playmaking ability from the DT spot, the giants seriously need a pass rush DT, and i for one, would prefer either liuget in RD 1, or Nevis in RD 2or3... I love Linval Joseph, and his potential, but i think hes gonna hopefully grow into a NT type, that on occasion, can get through and get the QB or RB behind the line, and Nevis's skills will mix well with Canty and Linval and Bernard...

            Another Run Stuffer who is kinda underrated is Ian Williams of ND.. He'll clog some lanes for a team that needs that..


            [/quote]




            Oh I agree, when I typed that I was specifically thinking about drafting a DT in the 1st round. I like Nevis too, he's explosive and collapses the pocket. His run defense is extremely questionable but at the worst he's a situational pass rusher

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              [quote user="Neverend"][quote user="nycsportzfan"][quote user="Neverend"]


              [quote user="Raptor22"]For the last few weeks, I've been thinking that the Giants could/should trade back with the Jets if Phil Taylor is still there, because well, they need a new Kris Jenkins, and they're basically the same guy.

              But what would you say to the Giants drafting him? He, Joseph, or Canty in the middle would mean roughly 700lbs of big, strong, quick humanity rushing forwards, and could pretty much ensure that the ends get 1 on 1's, a TE/RB block, or a free shot.



              [/quote]




              I'm a big phil taylor fan as well, he's slightly growing on me over paea but in the end i feel like the giants need a pass rushing interior presence. someone who has the quickness or burst off the ball to make plays and disrupt the pocket. Taylor has immense strength/bull rush but in the nfl its much harder to excel pass rushing as a DT with just strength alone, you have to have that explosion off the line of scrimmage. If I was a team in need of drafting a DT to shore up run defense i'd absolutely go with taylor though. but thats just me tho, its pretty much debatable whether or not the giants even need a DT




              [/quote] Oh, i think the giants could use a DT, for sure.. With cofield, all but out the door, and Linval being a unknown, and Bernard aging by the yr and also being kinda a dissapointment so far, and canty offering very little playmaking ability from the DT spot, the giants seriously need a pass rush DT, and i for one, would prefer either liuget in RD 1, or Nevis in RD 2or3... I love Linval Joseph, and his potential, but i think hes gonna hopefully grow into a NT type, that on occasion, can get through and get the QB or RB behind the line, and Nevis's skills will mix well with Canty and Linval and Bernard...

              Another Run Stuffer who is kinda underrated is Ian Williams of ND.. He'll clog some lanes for a team that needs that..


              [/quote]




              Oh I agree, when I typed that I was specifically thinking about drafting a DT in the 1st round. I like Nevis too, he's explosive and collapses the pocket. His run defense is extremely questionable but at the worst he's a situational pass rusher




              [/quote]




              Im converting the Florida LSU game because I want to make another Nevis and another Pouncey vid. I remember Nevis really embarrasing Florida in that game.

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                [quote user="Redeyejedi"][quote user="Neverend"][quote user="nycsportzfan"][quote user="Neverend"]


                [quote user="Raptor22"]For the last few weeks, I've been thinking that the Giants could/should trade back with the Jets if Phil Taylor is still there, because well, they need a new Kris Jenkins, and they're basically the same guy.

                But what would you say to the Giants drafting him? He, Joseph, or Canty in the middle would mean roughly 700lbs of big, strong, quick humanity rushing forwards, and could pretty much ensure that the ends get 1 on 1's, a TE/RB block, or a free shot.



                [/quote]




                I'm a big phil taylor fan as well, he's slightly growing on me over paea but in the end i feel like the giants need a pass rushing interior presence. someone who has the quickness or burst off the ball to make plays and disrupt the pocket. Taylor has immense strength/bull rush but in the nfl its much harder to excel pass rushing as a DT with just strength alone, you have to have that explosion off the line of scrimmage. If I was a team in need of drafting a DT to shore up run defense i'd absolutely go with taylor though. but thats just me tho, its pretty much debatable whether or not the giants even need a DT




                [/quote] Oh, i think the giants could use a DT, for sure.. With cofield, all but out the door, and Linval being a unknown, and Bernard aging by the yr and also being kinda a dissapointment so far, and canty offering very little playmaking ability from the DT spot, the giants seriously need a pass rush DT, and i for one, would prefer either liuget in RD 1, or Nevis in RD 2or3... I love Linval Joseph, and his potential, but i think hes gonna hopefully grow into a NT type, that on occasion, can get through and get the QB or RB behind the line, and Nevis's skills will mix well with Canty and Linval and Bernard...

                Another Run Stuffer who is kinda underrated is Ian Williams of ND.. He'll clog some lanes for a team that needs that..


                [/quote]




                Oh I agree, when I typed that I was specifically thinking about drafting a DT in the 1st round. I like Nevis too, he's explosive and collapses the pocket. His run defense is extremely questionable but at the worst he's a situational pass rusher




                [/quote]




                Im converting the Florida LSU game because I want to make another Nevis and another Pouncey vid. I remember Nevis really embarrasing Florida in that game.




                [/quote]




                Yeah Pouncey had some issues with nevis in that game, pouncey couldnt handlenevisoff theball.

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                  I'm really liking Terrell McClain more and more, as the days go by.. The kid comes from, what sounds like, a solid family, and he seems humble enough, but also confident, and is at least smart enough to say all the right things... THe son of a Marine and Navy gal, with bro in college and playing ball, and Sister is a nurse... Hes got the talent, and the solid family foundation and chacrechter.. Theres a reason this one time Sleeper of mine, has continued to see his stock rise... I love em...

                  Terrell McClain Q&A




                  Talking football with South Florida defensive tackle Aaron Wilson








                  April 15, 2011



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                  South Florida defensive lineman Terrell McClain isbuilding momentum in
                  NFL circles following a strong Pro Day workout where he ran the 40-yard
                  dash in 4.82 and 4.95 seconds.





                  All but two NFL teams were at the workout. New England Patriots coach
                  Bill Belichick was there as well as Chicago Bears general manager Jerry
                  Angelo, coach Lovie Smith and personnel executive Tim Ruskell.





                  According to an NFL source, McClain's stock is rising into second-round consideration.





                  He has drawn particular interest from the Bears, Patriots, Cleveland
                  Browns, Tennessee Titans, Indianapolis Colts, St. Louis Rams, Carolina
                  Panthers, New Orleans Saints and the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.





                  He spoke with Baltimore Ravens general manager Ozzie Newsome during the East-West Shrine all-star game.





                  The 6-foot-2, 297-pounder was an All-Big East Conference selection,
                  posting 24 tackles three sacks and 4 1/2 tackles for losses last season.





                  As a junior, he recorded 25 tackles, 1 1/2 sacks, five tackles for losses, a forced fumble and three quarterback pressures.





                  McClain was also recruited by Alabama, Auburn, Florida, North Carolina State and South Carolina.





                  National Football Post recently caught up with McClain for the following interview:





                  What kind of football player will the team that drafts you be getting?





                  McClain: An honest player, a great player, a player that's good on the
                  field and off the field, a player who loves playing the game of
                  football. I use my quickness to my advantage and I have great leverage
                  and use my strength well. I want to be known as a player who was a great
                  person, not just a great player."





                  What would you like to do after you're drafted?





                  McClain: "I would like to give back, especially to my family and
                  community. I have a youngerbrother andan older sister. My brother is
                  in Mississippi in junior college. My sister is a nurse. My mom is in the
                  Navy. My dad is a retired Marine."





                  What did you learn from your parents being in the military?





                  McClain: "I learned everything from them. I come from a
                  well-disciplined family. They were always around telling us right and
                  wrong. I love them to death."





                  How much did you get double-teamed last season?





                  McClain: "I got double-teamed a lot. I forget which game, but I had
                  three people on me early in the season last fall. The coach got on me
                  for not getting to the ball on one play and another coach said, 'Coach,
                  he has three guys on him.' At first, he didn't realize it was three
                  people. I guess you could say they respected me."





                  How much technique have you learned?





                  McClain: "It's not difficult. You do little things to make yourself
                  better, turn your hips, turn your shoulders, split gaps, recognition. I
                  do it at a high level."





                  What's your goal as far as where you hope to be drafted?





                  McClain: "At first, I was just shooting for getting drafted. I would be
                  happy regardless. I want to go to a good team and have an impact there
                  and have a great career. I don't want to struggle. I want to have fun."





                  Do you want to play for the Bears?





                  McClain: "I definitely wouldn't mind playing for the Bears defense. I
                  could see myself playing under Rod Marinelli. I shook hands with Lovie
                  Smith at my Pro Day and introduced myself to him."





                  Are you concerned about the lockout?





                  McClain: "Yeah, it isa drag. Hopefully, it will get settled soon.
                  They'll probably wait until close to the last minute, but you never
                  know. I'll be ready whenever it's time to play football."


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                    Oh my god did U see Newton with Gruden this morning. He basically admitted that Auburn has no NFL verbiage in there offense

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                      Did U guys know Vernon Gholstons cousin William is going to be a sophomore at Michigan state.Im watching Michigan State vs Wisconsin to do vids on Greg Jones,JJ Watt, Peter Konz, Jerrel Worthy, and Cousins. I never noticed him before




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                        [quote user="Redeyejedi"]

                        Did U guys know Vernon Gholstons cousin William is going to be a sophomore at Michigan state.Im watching Michigan State vs Wisconsin to do vids on Greg Jones,JJ Watt, Peter Konz, Jerrel Worthy, and Cousins. I never noticed him before




                        [/quote] yup, i knew Gholston was a spartan....

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                        • Re: A look at the 2011 NFL draft

                          Heres a Cool read on Ijalana and Stef Wisnewski from Greg Gabriel, whos got 29yrs of scouting and working with some great personal, like Parcells, Bellichick, Reeves, george young, and accorsi.. Another words, when he speaks, i listen...I have been saying, i woulden't right off Ijalana at LT, even though his competiton wasen't the greatest, but when u see him play, u marvel at how domiant he looks, and how good he looks, fundamentally... And how u can not love Wisnewski is beyond me.. I thought before, there was no way in he-l he was going outside of RD 2, but after doing a 4rd draft debacled mock, u really see how hard it is to fit everyone in where u think there values at, and i had him in the beggining of the 3rd, but i pretty much still think hes almost guranteed to go in RD 2... These guys are really good players...







                          The state of Pennsylvania brings us two very interesting offensive line
                          prospects this year. They are Ben Ijalana of FCS Villanova and
                          guard/center Stefan Wisniewski of Penn State. Both of these players
                          played a lot of football for their schools the last four years and
                          should be high picks in the draft. Letís break both down.





                          Ben Ijalana



                          ICONBen Ijalana started 53 straight games at Villanova.





                          Ijalana has been a four-year starter at left tackle for Villanova. He
                          has started 53 straight games which is a testament to his durability and
                          toughness. This past season he played the last half of the year with a
                          bilateral sports hernia which was painful and limited his mobility but
                          still showed his toughness. He was invited to play in the Senior Bowl
                          this past January but had to turn it down to have the injury repaired.
                          He was unable to work out at the combine and is just now rounding into
                          playing shape. Not being able to play in the Senior Bowl hurt him in
                          eyes of some evaluators because they didnít get a chance to see him play
                          against top competition. But if the number of visits and private
                          workouts he has had in the last few weeks is any indication then his
                          stock is back on the rise.





                          Ijalana is a bit short for a tackle at 6-3 but he has extremely long
                          arms (36Ē) that enables him to play like a 6-5 guy. He has good bulk
                          (317 lbs) and plays with strength and power. He dominated against FCS
                          competition, making things look easy. He played in a spread offense and
                          from a 2- and 3-point stance. He has good snap reaction and in the run
                          game gets to his block with very good quickness. He is strong and
                          powerful and is consistently able to get movement or put his opponent on
                          the ground. He has drive in his legs and shows good sustain. He gets to
                          the second level easily and can adjust to his target. I like the nasty
                          attitude he plays with. In pass protection he sets quickly and has quick
                          hands and does a good job keeping his hands inside. He has a strong
                          punch and I have seen him jolt opponents. In the tape I saw from early
                          in the year he played with better bend than he did after his injury but
                          still in all games he had very good ability to anchor. He is athletic
                          with quick feet and good ability to slide and recover. He can get a
                          little lazy with his technique but it had no effect on his play versus
                          FCS competition.





                          Overall this is a very talented player but still a bit raw. It would
                          have been nice to see him play at the Senior Bowl but still the talent
                          is obvious. Some people think he should move inside because of his
                          height but I donít agree. With his quickness and long arms he should
                          have no problem playing at tackle. He easily has the athleticism to play
                          left tackle. He will need some time and coaching but will be a starter
                          in short time. He is a very solid second-round pick who may slide to the
                          bottom part of the first. Some team is going to buy itself a good
                          player!





                          Stefan Wisniewski



                          Stefan Wisniewski was a three-year starter at Penn State.





                          When Wisniewski came out of high school there was no question he was
                          going to Penn State. His father started there as a defensive lineman and
                          later played for the Colts and his uncle was Steve Wisniewski, the
                          great former Raiders guard who was also a Penn State alum. With both his
                          dad and uncle being former NFL players you know he came from good
                          football bloodlines. As a true freshman he played as a backup and then
                          became a three-year starter. He played 2008 and 2010 at right guard and
                          2009 at center. He has been a very durable performer by not missing any
                          games because of injury the last three years.





                          He is not the smoothest athlete you will ever see but he is plenty good
                          enough and is very efficient. He has good size at 6-3 and 313 pounds
                          and his numbers in all the drills at the Combine compare very favorably
                          with Mike Pouncey. In the run game he has excellent initial quickness.
                          He is a strong and explosive run blocker and very technically sound.
                          Once he gets his hands on an opponent itís all over. He has excellent
                          sustain. With his power he gets movement and he doesnít stop until the
                          whistle blows. Penn State pulls their guards more than most teams and he
                          is a good space player and is consistent adjusting on the move. He is
                          very similar in the screen game, getting to his blocks on the perimeter
                          without a problem. In pass protection he gets out of his stance quickly
                          and gets his hands on his opponent almost instantly. He has a good punch
                          and locks on. He plays with good knee bend and keeps his back straight
                          and never gives ground to bull rushers. He has real good mirror ability
                          showing the agility to stay with opponents versus counter moves. He is
                          an alert player and does a good job picking up stunts and blitzes and
                          consistently looks to help out when free.





                          Overall, Wisniewski will be a starter early in his career. His
                          experience at both guard and center give him a lot of versatility. He
                          has good technique, plays the game with a passion and does not make
                          mistakes. Like Ijalana he has made plenty of visits and had numerous
                          private workouts. Iím hearing that he should be a sure second-round
                          pick. This is the type of player you want on your roster!






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                            I love Wisniewski as well. People want to talk about players being perfect, look at that guy. Absolutely zero flaws to his game. Unbelievably technically sound and completely ready to start from Day 1 in the NFL. Unfortunately he's not an amazing athlete as he doesn't have elite strength, agility, and overall athleticism. But, meh, as a center he can get away with those things. Centers generally don't get out and pull a lot nor do they have to be huge or anything. As a guard I can understand why some reports say he's a mid-round prospect.




                            If his stock is really falling I'd jump at him in the 3rd round

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                              [quote user="Neverend"]


                              I love Wisniewski as well. People want to talk about players being perfect, look at that guy. Absolutely zero flaws to his game. Unbelievably technically sound and completely ready to start from Day 1 in the NFL. Unfortunately he's not an amazing athlete as he doesn't have elite strength, agility, and overall athleticism. But, meh, as a center he can get away with those things. Centers generally don't get out and pull a lot nor do they have to be huge or anything. As a guard I can understand why some reports say he's a mid-round prospect.




                              If his stock is really falling I'd jump at him in the 3rd round




                              [/quote]




                              Yeah I dont view him as a guard.

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                                This is a pretty good vid


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