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    [quote user="slipknottin"]Im starting to think Giants may take another safety in rounds 3-4.

    They need that third safety, Grant probably wont stay a giant, and just doesnt have the range to play deep third anymore. Sash is no athletic upgrade over Grant.

    Has to have the versatility to play both deep third and come down and cover TEs/occasionally slot receivers.

    Too bad safetys are so difficult to scout on TV.
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    Agreed. I think a cover safety is a possible need position even if only for depth.

    However, I think the rules changes in recent years have reduced the need for safeties compared to corners. Dont get me wrong, they are still needed, its just the days of big strong enforcers roving the middle of the field are over. Instead, the guys we put back there all have to be capable in man coverage too.

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      [quote user="tdawg1413"][quote user="nycsportzfan"][quote user="tdawg1413"]Watched that game last night and Pierce looked like he had some ability but like you said there were no holes at all. Pierce would be a nice 3rd rounder for us.

      I think we definitely need to come away with a back, OG, OT and a tall WR in this draft. Here is a quick mock I came up with:



      1. Mike Adams - T Ohio State - He is gonna rise up boards and he has great size and technique and can play both LT and RT.



      2. Andre Branch - DE - Clemson - Having an excellent year and is a good all around DE prospect.



      3. Audie Cole - ILB - Good, old school MLB with size to play the run and nice ability in pass coverage.



      4. Marvin McNutt - WR - Iowa - Good sized WR with deceptive speed but excellent with the ball in the air. Perfect compliment to Nicks.



      5. Christine Michael - RB - Texas A & M - My favorite back of the draft. Cyrus Gray gets most of the pub at A&M but Michael has been the better of the two backs there. Everydown size with good hands and pretty good speed.



      6. Eddie Pleasant - S - Oregon - I have watched a few of their games this year and he has been all over the field. Good vs. the run but does not have elite speed in coverage. Excellent in special teams though.



      7. Chris Rainey - RB - Florida - His size will hold him back but we should take a shot here at a real playmaker. Could help on 3rd downs and specials.[/quote] Thats a good draft, but i don't think Michael makes it outta RD 2, and latest the first few picks of RD 3... Hes totally passed Cyrus Gray as a prospect, and has everything u want in a lead back.. As for Branch, i think hes gonna Rise possibly into RD 1.. I love Andre Branch as a prospect, and he would be a nice fit, especially if we were to deal OSI for a pick or picks... Cole is a nice looking LB prospect, that we've spoke about on here a few times... If Barden dosen't show some promise when he gets healthy(i think he will), Mcnutt makes alot of sense, and a S has been added in pretty much every mock i've done for the most part... I think a speedy S who can HIT is preferable, like a Markelle Martin or Winston Guy or even Delano Howell.. Pleasent would be nice if we wait as long as u have us waiting... Good mock..
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      I had Michael falling because I don't see him running a great 40 at the combine if he comes out and most draftniks still hype Gray as the better prospect. Either way, I think he would be a great fit and would be our back of the future.[/quote] THe only Draftniks that have Gray ahead of Micheal at this point, are ones who don't stay up on there stuff and every single prospect.. U go to places that actually update there rankings, and Michael is clearly the better prospect, and hes got fine speed.. Hes listed at about 4.49

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        [quote user="nycsportzfan"][quote user="tdawg1413"][quote user="nycsportzfan"][quote user="tdawg1413"]Watched that game last night and Pierce looked like he had some ability but like you said there were no holes at all. Pierce would be a nice 3rd rounder for us.

        I think we definitely need to come away with a back, OG, OT and a tall WR in this draft. Here is a quick mock I came up with:



        1. Mike Adams - T Ohio State - He is gonna rise up boards and he has great size and technique and can play both LT and RT.



        2. Andre Branch - DE - Clemson - Having an excellent year and is a good all around DE prospect.



        3. Audie Cole - ILB - Good, old school MLB with size to play the run and nice ability in pass coverage.



        4. Marvin McNutt - WR - Iowa - Good sized WR with deceptive speed but excellent with the ball in the air. Perfect compliment to Nicks.



        5. Christine Michael - RB - Texas A & M - My favorite back of the draft. Cyrus Gray gets most of the pub at A&M but Michael has been the better of the two backs there. Everydown size with good hands and pretty good speed.



        6. Eddie Pleasant - S - Oregon - I have watched a few of their games this year and he has been all over the field. Good vs. the run but does not have elite speed in coverage. Excellent in special teams though.



        7. Chris Rainey - RB - Florida - His size will hold him back but we should take a shot here at a real playmaker. Could help on 3rd downs and specials.[/quote] Thats a good draft, but i don't think Michael makes it outta RD 2, and latest the first few picks of RD 3... Hes totally passed Cyrus Gray as a prospect, and has everything u want in a lead back..* As for Branch, i think hes gonna Rise possibly into RD 1..* I love Andre Branch as a prospect, and he would be a nice fit, especially if we were to deal OSI for a pick or picks...* Cole is a nice looking LB prospect, that we've spoke about on here a few times...** If Barden dosen't show some promise when he gets healthy(i think he will), Mcnutt makes alot of sense,* and a S has been added in pretty much every mock i've done for the most part...* I think a speedy S who can HIT is preferable, like a Markelle Martin or Winston Guy or even Delano Howell..* Pleasent would be nice if we wait as long as u have us waiting...* Good mock..
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        I had Michael falling because I don't see him running a great 40 at the combine if he comes out and most draftniks still hype Gray as the better prospect. Either way, I think he would be a great fit and would be our back of the future.[/quote] THe only Draftniks that have Gray ahead of Micheal at this point, are ones who don't stay up on there stuff and every single prospect.. U go to places that actually update there rankings, and Michael is clearly the better prospect,* and hes got fine speed..* Hes listed at about 4.49
        [/quote]

        What sites do you generally look at because the ones I have checked still list Gray ahead of Michael? I also like Cierre Wood from Notre Dame. He has McCoy like ability to me, although not on that level.

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          [quote user="tdawg1413"][quote user="nycsportzfan"][quote user="tdawg1413"][quote user="nycsportzfan"][quote user="tdawg1413"]Watched that game last night and Pierce looked like he had some ability but like you said there were no holes at all. Pierce would be a nice 3rd rounder for us.

          I think we definitely need to come away with a back, OG, OT and a tall WR in this draft. Here is a quick mock I came up with:



          1. Mike Adams - T Ohio State - He is gonna rise up boards and he has great size and technique and can play both LT and RT.



          2. Andre Branch - DE - Clemson - Having an excellent year and is a good all around DE prospect.



          3. Audie Cole - ILB - Good, old school MLB with size to play the run and nice ability in pass coverage.



          4. Marvin McNutt - WR - Iowa - Good sized WR with deceptive speed but excellent with the ball in the air. Perfect compliment to Nicks.



          5. Christine Michael - RB - Texas A & M - My favorite back of the draft. Cyrus Gray gets most of the pub at A&M but Michael has been the better of the two backs there. Everydown size with good hands and pretty good speed.



          6. Eddie Pleasant - S - Oregon - I have watched a few of their games this year and he has been all over the field. Good vs. the run but does not have elite speed in coverage. Excellent in special teams though.



          7. Chris Rainey - RB - Florida - His size will hold him back but we should take a shot here at a real playmaker. Could help on 3rd downs and specials.[/quote] Thats a good draft, but i don't think Michael makes it outta RD 2, and latest the first few picks of RD 3... Hes totally passed Cyrus Gray as a prospect, and has everything u want in a lead back.. As for Branch, i think hes gonna Rise possibly into RD 1.. I love Andre Branch as a prospect, and he would be a nice fit, especially if we were to deal OSI for a pick or picks... Cole is a nice looking LB prospect, that we've spoke about on here a few times... If Barden dosen't show some promise when he gets healthy(i think he will), Mcnutt makes alot of sense, and a S has been added in pretty much every mock i've done for the most part... I think a speedy S who can HIT is preferable, like a Markelle Martin or Winston Guy or even Delano Howell.. Pleasent would be nice if we wait as long as u have us waiting... Good mock..
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          I had Michael falling because I don't see him running a great 40 at the combine if he comes out and most draftniks still hype Gray as the better prospect. Either way, I think he would be a great fit and would be our back of the future.[/quote] THe only Draftniks that have Gray ahead of Micheal at this point, are ones who don't stay up on there stuff and every single prospect.. U go to places that actually update there rankings, and Michael is clearly the better prospect, and hes got fine speed.. Hes listed at about 4.49
          [/quote]

          What sites do you generally look at because the ones I have checked still list Gray ahead of Michael? I also like Cierre Wood from Notre Dame. He has McCoy like ability to me, although not on that level.[/quote] Walter football and anyones that actually update there prospect lists...
          Hes bigger, just as fast, and more productive then Gray... I like Cierre Wood as well..




















          2012 NFL Draft: Running Back Rankings







          The top 2012 running back prospects available for
          the 2012 NFL Draft in the order in which I believe they will be drafted.
          * - denotes 2013 prospect ** - denotes 2014 prospect.



          This page was last updated October 21, 2011. Follow me @walterfootball for updates.



          By Charlie Campbell.













          2012 NFL Draft Position Rankings:

          QB | RB | FB | WR | TE | OT | OG | C | DE | DT | 3-4 OLB | 3-4 DE | NT | 4-3 OLB | ILB | CB | S | K | P





          2013 NFL Draft Position Rankings:

          QB | RB | FB | WR | TE | OT | OG | C | DE | DT | 3-4 OLB | 3-4 DE | NT | 4-3 OLB | ILB | CB | S | K | P













          1. Trent Richardson*, RB, Alabama

            Height: 5-11. Weight: 220.
            Projected 40 Time: 4.49.
            Projected Round (2012): Top 20 Pick.



            10/21/11: Richardson is having a massive senior season. He has
            had a string of dominant performances in conference play. Thus far in
            2011, Richardson has 16 total touchdowns (15 rushing, one receiving). He
            has run for 912 yards while averaging 7 yards per carry. Richardson has
            an elite combination of strength and speed.



            8/18/11: Trent Richardson is considered by some to be a better
            pro prospect than former teammate Mark Ingram. The reason is Richardson
            has a fabulous make-up of size and speed. Last year, he ran for 700
            yards on 112 carries with six scores. As a freshman, Richardson ran for
            749 yards and eight touchdowns. He has been used as a receiver out of
            the backfield with 23 receptions last year after 16 catches in 2009.

            Richardson has the ability to run through linebackers and to run away
            from defensive backs. Many consider him a favorite for the Heisman
            trophy and it wouldn't be surprising if Richardson has a massive 2011
            season.





















          2. Lamar Miller**, RB, Miami

            Height: 5-11. Weight: 212.
            Projected 40 Time: 4.46.
            Projected Round (2012): 1-2.



            10/21/11: Miller has been a dynamic playmaker thus far in 2011.
            He has averaged 6.4 yards per carry with 706 yards rushing and five
            touchdowns in six games. Miller has shown the speed to break off long
            touchdown runs, and is a threat to score with any touch. The redshirt
            sophomore is one of the most dynamic backs in college football.



            Last year as a redshirt freshman, Miller ran for 646 yards (six yards
            per carry) with six touchdowns. He looks like a future starting running
            back in the NFL. Miller has playmaking speed and the size to handle a
            large amount of carries. He could return to Miami in 2012 and 2013 if he
            wanted.


          3. Montee Ball*, RB, Wisconsin

            Height: 5-11. Weight: 214.
            Projected 40 Time: 4.53.
            Projected Round (2012): 1-2.



            10/21/11: Ball has dominated the competition so far in 2011. He
            has averaged 6.1 yards per carry and totaled 653 yards on the ground,
            plus has seven receptions for 166 yards. Ball is tied for first in the
            nation with 17 touchdowns (16 rushing and one receiving). He also has
            thrown a 25-yard touchdown pass this season. Wisconsin has an excellent
            offensive line that gives Ball wonderful holes to run through. His
            strong season has his stock rising.



            8/18/11: Montee Ball could be a player who exploded across the
            national scene quickly in the 2011 season with John Clay no longer at
            Wisconsin. Ball came on like gangbusters late in the season for the
            Badgers with five straight 100-yard games racking up a total of 777
            yards in those five contests. He was third on the team in rushing behind
            Clay and James White, but Ball led the team with 18 touchdowns. Ball
            has a nice blend of power and speed that will appeal to NFL coaches and
            scouts. He hits the hole quickly and is hard to bring down.

            Sources have also told Walterfootball.com that many coaches in the NFL
            like players from Wisconsin due to the similarities in the running
            scheme that the Badgers run with NFL offenses. That will help Ball's
            draft status. It wouldn't be surprising if he moves his way up into the
            second round this fall.


          4. Chris Polk*, RB, Washington

            Height: 5-11. Weight: 222.
            Projected 40 Time: 4.46.
            Projected Round (2012): 2-3.



            10/21/11: Polk is putting together a strong season. He has
            totaled 728 yards (5.4 average) and three touchdowns this season. Polk
            also has caught 11 passes for 142 yards and two scores. His draft stock
            remains stable, but could rise once the season ends if Polk has strong
            workouts. That is, unless he decides to return for his senior year.



            8/18/11: Chris Polk was a huge part of the Huskies' improvement
            last season. Polk averaged 5.4 yards per carry and ran for 1,415 yards
            with nine scores. That excellent production came behind an offensive
            line that struggled throughout the 2010 season. As a freshman, he ran
            for 1,113 yards and five scores.

            Polk runs with good vision, cutting ability and has the talent to get
            skinny through a hole to break runs into the secondary. He hits the hole
            quickly, but also is a patient runner. In that regard, the sub-par
            offensive line has helped make him a better running back.


          5. Christine Michael*, RB, Texas A&M

            Height: 5-11. Weight: 215.
            Projected 40 Time: 4.48.
            Projected Round (2012): 2-3.



            10/21/11: In many ways, Michael has outshined teammate Cyrus
            Gray this season. Michael leads Texas A&M in rushing with 565 yards
            and seven touchdowns. He's averaged six yards per carry (93 carries),
            and had a massive game of 230 yards rushing and three touchdowns against
            Arkansas. Michael is a quick and powerful runner who gets good yards
            after contact. He could stay in school for the 2012 season in order to
            be the lead back for the Aggies.

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            Heres another site that updates there prospects...











            1(4) +3 Alabama
            Trent Richardson
            Jr5'11"224
            #3
            Video
            N/A















            2(28) +16 Wisconsin
            Montee Ball
            Jr5'11"218
            #28
            Video
            N/A















            3(36) +71 Washington
            Chris Polk
            Jr5'11"215
            #1
            Video
            N/A















            4(51) +108 Miami (FL)
            Lamar Miller
            So5'11"212
            #6
            Video
            N/A















            5(79) +63 Virginia Tech
            David Wilson
            Jr5'10"200
            #4
            Video
            N/A















            6(88) +313 Texas A&M
            Christine Michael
            Jr5'11"215
            #33
            Video
            N/A















            7(90) +311 Temple
            Bernard Pierce
            Jr6'0"218
            #30
            Video
            N/A













            8(96) -43 Texas A&M
            Cyrus Gray
            Sr5'10"200
            #32
            Video
            N/A

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              The 1 thing that stands out to me regarding the potential runningback class. I mean absolutely ZERO disrespect to Trent Richardson, who is the best back in college football right now. BUT, considering guys like Polk, Pierce, Wilson, Lamichael James and Miller are considered 3rd rounders....I dunno if it is worth risking a 1st on TR when you consider how often RBs get hurt.

              There is some serious mid round talent at RB this year.


              Ill go on to say that I do not agree with some of these analysts about Montee Ball. I watch his highlights and there is some stuff to like, he follows his blocks well, he is a very good passblocker for a college player, he runs north south. I just watch his games and see these big holes that he runs through and so often I see him get tackled by the 1st unblocked defender. Guys like LJ, Wilson, Pierce, Trent R, Polk seem to get past that tackler so much more often than Ball does. I also sometimes see him run to the line and stop if the hole isnt readily visible. I like him, he has a good no nonsense style of running. However, I think a great back in the NFL gets by the 1st defender more than he does. No way I think he is higher rated than some of these other guys.

              I would also point out that those 40 times are way off on Walterfootball. Wilson is WAY faster than 4.59. He is a track star at VT and has been a home run hitter since getting to VT. I also think they undervalue Pierce. However, I was glad to see them have Tauren Poole some credit for his great 2010 season despite having hamstring issues this year. He is a good back.
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                [quote user="tdawg1413"][quote user="nycsportzfan"][quote user="tdawg1413"][quote user="nycsportzfan"][quote user="tdawg1413"]Watched that game last night and Pierce looked like he had some ability but like you said there were no holes at all. Pierce would be a nice 3rd rounder for us. I think we definitely need to come away with a back, OG, OT and a tall WR in this draft. Here is a quick mock I came up with: 1. Mike Adams - T Ohio State - He is gonna rise up boards and he has great size and technique and can play both LT and RT. 2. Andre Branch - DE - Clemson - Having an excellent year and is a good all around DE prospect. 3. Audie Cole - ILB - Good, old school MLB with size to play the run and nice ability in pass coverage. 4. Marvin McNutt - WR - Iowa - Good sized WR with deceptive speed but excellent with the ball in the air. Perfect compliment to Nicks. 5. Christine Michael - RB - Texas A & M - My favorite back of the draft. Cyrus Gray gets most of the pub at A&M but Michael has been the better of the two backs there. Everydown size with good hands and pretty good speed. 6. Eddie Pleasant - S - Oregon - I have watched a few of their games this year and he has been all over the field. Good vs. the run but does not have elite speed in coverage. Excellent in special teams though. 7. Chris Rainey - RB - Florida - His size will hold him back but we should take a shot here at a real playmaker. Could help on 3rd downs and specials.[/quote] Thats a good draft, but i don't think Michael makes it outta RD 2, and latest the first few picks of RD 3... Hes totally passed Cyrus Gray as a prospect, and has everything u want in a lead back.. As for Branch, i think hes gonna Rise possibly into RD 1.. I love Andre Branch as a prospect, and he would be a nice fit, especially if we were to deal OSI for a pick or picks... Cole is a nice looking LB prospect, that we've spoke about on here a few times... If Barden dosen't show some promise when he gets healthy(i think he will), Mcnutt makes alot of sense, and a S has been added in pretty much every mock i've done for the most part... I think a speedy S who can HIT is preferable, like a Markelle Martin or Winston Guy or even Delano Howell.. Pleasent would be nice if we wait as long as u have us waiting... Good mock..
                [/quote] I had Michael falling because I don't see him running a great 40 at the combine if he comes out and most draftniks still hype Gray as the better prospect. Either way, I think he would be a great fit and would be our back of the future.[/quote] THe only Draftniks that have Gray ahead of Micheal at this point, are ones who don't stay up on there stuff and every single prospect.. U go to places that actually update there rankings, and Michael is clearly the better prospect, and hes got fine speed.. Hes listed at about 4.49
                [/quote] What sites do you generally look at because the ones I have checked still list Gray ahead of Michael? I also like Cierre Wood from Notre Dame. He has McCoy like ability to me, although not on that level.[/quote]




                Saying it for a month





                @Jmpasq Jmpasq


                What do u guys think of Christian Michael.People talk about Cyrus Gray but Michael is far more explosive.He's a Junior might come out




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                  Man I havent watched much BC this year but Im going through the FSU game now. They are a very bad football teame. Luke kuelchy makes like every play

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                    So I was working the ucf tulsa game this past Thursday and before the game i happened to be sitting next to a falcons scout and a giants scout. Btw everytime i work ucf games a nyg scout has been there. Not surprisingly we always have a bunch of c-USA players in camp and on the team.

                    Anyway I was trying to eavesdrop as much as I could. Couple random things I heard:

                    The atlanta scout was saying that he talked to Jerry(as in Jerry Reese) at the Georgia tech Maryland game. The scout insisted that Jerry was just trying to "get out of the office" and wasn't really scouting.

                    The NYG scout is going to be at upcoming Fiu fau and Miami games.

                    Then they started talking about going to school's practices and sometimes the coaches would kick them out or whatever. Anyway, only reason this is important is because the NYG scout was saying that he was trying to check out a "little wide receiver." I didnt catch what school the kid went to tho. Nor do I know a timeframe.

                    Nothing mind-blowing, just kind of cool, figured I'd share.

                    Edit note: the Tulsa MLB had like 20+ tackles

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                      [quote user="Redeyejedi"]Man I havent watched much BC this year but Im going through the FSU game now. They are a very bad football teame. Luke kuelchy makes like every play[/quote]

                      Yea. It was the same way when they played us. BC sucks.

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                        I like Texas A&M CB Terrence Frederick #7 . He is a slot CB but he is tough. He played great when he was manned up on Blackmon against Oklahoma State and he played well against Arkansas as well. Id like to see how he does matched up on broyles. Sean Porter gets the numbers but Damontre Moore is one of my favorite 2013 Pass Rushers.

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                          [quote user="Redeyejedi"]Man I havent watched much BC this year but Im going through the FSU game now. They are a very bad football teame. Luke kuelchy makes like every play[/quote]

                          Go back to the 2010 FSU game. He made even more. Good player.
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                            [quote user="lawl"]So I was working the ucf tulsa game this past Thursday and before the game i happened to be sitting next to a falcons scout and a giants scout. Btw everytime i work ucf games a nyg scout has been there. Not surprisingly we always have a bunch of c-USA players in camp and on the team.

                            Anyway I was trying to eavesdrop as much as I could. Couple random things I heard:

                            The atlanta scout was saying that he talked to Jerry(as in Jerry Reese) at the Georgia tech Maryland game. The scout insisted that Jerry was just trying to "get out of the office" and wasn't really scouting.

                            The NYG scout is going to be at upcoming Fiu fau and Miami games.

                            Then they started talking about going to school's practices and sometimes the coaches would kick them out or whatever. Anyway, only reason this is important is because the NYG scout was saying that he was trying to check out a "little wide receiver." I didnt catch what school the kid went to tho. Nor do I know a timeframe.

                            Nothing mind-blowing, just kind of cool, figured I'd share.

                            Edit note: the Tulsa MLB had like 20+ tackles[/quote] interesting.. I actually am a Gj Kinne fan for the Tulsa team, as possibly a late rd developmental QB, and UCF seems to have a solid Defense, any players on that Defense that are possibly playing on sundays down the line?

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                              [quote user="Redeyejedi"]I like Texas A&M CB Terrence Frederick #7 . He is a slot CB but he is tough. He played great when he was manned up on Blackmon against Oklahoma State and he played well against Arkansas as well. Id like to see how he does matched up on broyles. Sean Porter gets the numbers but Damontre Moore is one of my favorite 2013 Pass Rushers.[/quote] I know i'm certainly not a fan of JUDIE's.. Hes a bum!

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                                Montee Ball over a 100yrds rushing as the 2nd qter just started..lol I hope the Giants get there hands on Kevin Zeitler G Wisconsin.. That dude is a straight animal!

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