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    [quote user="nycsportzfan"]hey redeye, what do u think of Ramses? I know it was only 2catches, but 2big catches in his first game back, and he saved a INT on ELI with one of those catches.. As u know , i've always been high on him, and his talent is undeniable in my opinion, all though, people need to remember, reese has built a juggernaut of a offense, and there will be weeks, that guys like Barden and Mario and Cruz will be super silent, and other weeks, where they'll take there turn being huge part of the offense.. I would say i was dead on about John Goff and Victor Cruz, and i'm on my way to being dead on about Ramses barden.. I recall u and Slip being down on both Goff and Barden..lol U know what they got in common? Besides the fact there very smart(ramses could of went to Penn in the ivy league and obviously goff is a vandy kid), they were extremely productive players in college, and good people as well...
    [/quote]I never thought Goff was a starter. Thought he was more of a back up not like he shouldnt be in the NFL or anything. Barden is still an enigma. I still just havent seen much of him. I still have seen far more snaps fromunderclassmen WR's in the SEC then I have of Barden in his 3rd year. I didnt like what I saw from his college tapes. I really didnt like his route running and his hands were suspect. Id still take it easywith Barden I still dont think he will pan out as a Top 3 receiver on a team. I still maintain College productivity has really little effect on how good of an NFL Player u will be.

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      [quote user="Redeyejedi"][quote user="nycsportzfan"]hey redeye, what do u think of Ramses? I know it was only 2catches, but 2big catches in his first game back, and he saved a INT on ELI with one of those catches.. As u know , i've always been high on him, and his talent is undeniable in my opinion, all though, people need to remember, reese has built a juggernaut of a offense, and there will be weeks, that guys like Barden and Mario and Cruz will be super silent, and other weeks, where they'll take there turn being huge part of the offense.. I would say i was dead on about John Goff and Victor Cruz, and i'm on my way to being dead on about Ramses barden.. I recall u and Slip being down on both Goff and Barden..lol U know what they got in common? Besides the fact there very smart(ramses could of went to Penn in the ivy league and obviously goff is a vandy kid), they were extremely productive players in college, and good people as well...
      [/quote]I never thought Goff was a starter. Thought he was more of a back up not like he shouldnt be in the NFL or anything. Barden is still an enigma. I still just havent seen much of him. I still have seen far more snaps fromunderclassmen WR's in the SEC then I have of Barden in his 3rd year. I didnt like what I saw from his college tapes. I really didnt like his route running and his hands were suspect. Id still take it easywith Barden I still dont think he will pan out as a Top 3 receiver on a team. I still maintain College productivity has really little effect on how good of an NFL Player u will be.[/quote] I don't know about that.. I've seen Barden make tons of sensational catches with DB's drapped all over him on those Fades in the endzone, where he also has to show great concentration just to get his feet in bounds.... Bardens definetly gonna contribute, regardless if anyone believes it or not, he just is... Hes just to good not to.. As for Goff, he was poised to have a yr that rivaled Antonio Pierces best season with us, in my opinion... In my opinion, he was turning into more then just a run stuffer, who can get behind the line, but also a solid pass defender, at least as solid as a sensational run defender can be..lol As far as college production, i don't think its 100pct nessecary, but it certainly helps, if the dudes dominate a lower level of competition...

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        [quote user="nycsportzfan"][quote user="Redeyejedi"][quote user="nycsportzfan"]hey redeye, what do u think of Ramses? I know it was only 2catches, but 2big catches in his first game back, and he saved a INT on ELI with one of those catches.. As u know , i've always been high on him, and his talent is undeniable in my opinion, all though, people need to remember, reese has built a juggernaut of a offense, and there will be weeks, that guys like Barden and Mario and Cruz will be super silent, and other weeks, where they'll take there turn being huge part of the offense.. I would say i was dead on about John Goff and Victor Cruz, and i'm on my way to being dead on about Ramses barden.. I recall u and Slip being down on both Goff and Barden..lol U know what they got in common? Besides the fact there very smart(ramses could of went to Penn in the ivy league and obviously goff is a vandy kid), they were extremely productive players in college, and good people as well...
        [/quote]I never thought Goff was a starter. Thought he was more of a back up not like he shouldnt be in the NFL or anything. Barden is still an enigma. I still just havent seen much of him. I still have seen far more snaps fromunderclassmen WR's in the SEC then I have of Barden in his 3rd year. I didnt like what I saw from his college tapes. I really didnt like his route running and his hands were suspect. Id still take it easywith Barden I still dont think he will pan out as a Top 3 receiver on a team. I still maintain College productivity has really little effect on how good of an NFL Player u will be.[/quote] I don't know about that.. I've seen Barden make tons of sensational catches with DB's drapped all over him on those Fades in the endzone, where he also has to show great concentration just to get his feet in bounds.... Bardens definetly gonna contribute, regardless if anyone believes it or not, he just is... Hes just to good not to.. As for Goff, he was poised to have a yr that rivaled Antonio Pierces best season with us, in my opinion... In my opinion, he was turning into more then just a run stuffer, who can get behind the line, but also a solid pass defender, at least as solid as a sensational run defender can be..lol As far as college production, i don't think its 100pct nessecary, but it certainly helps, if the dudes dominate a lower level of competition...
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        I agree with U about Goff. He looked fantastic this pre season. His pass defense looked much better.That injury really sucked it hurt the Giants run defense a lot.

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          Dude this is awesome the NFLPA game which has replaced the Texas Nation game will now allow All draft eligible players to play. Meaning we finally get a post season game that will allow Juniors to play. This has pissed me off to no end that we never get a look at these guys in these games and we finally do. Before the Texas Nation game was filled with late rounders but now this will turn into a much better game with top tier guys as well. The only thing that sux is that the game is within the same week as the Senior Bowl so the Senior Bowl players wont play in the game but thats okay. We will get underclassman and late round guys.




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            [quote user="Redeyejedi"]

            Dude this is awesome the NFLPA game which has replaced the Texas Nation game will now allow All draft eligible players to play. Meaning we finally get a post season game that will allow Juniors to play. This has pissed me off to no end that we never get a look at these guys in these games and we finally do. Before the Texas Nation game was filled with late rounders but now this will turn into a much better game with top tier guys as well. The only thing that sux is that the game is within the same week as the Senior Bowl so the Senior Bowl players wont play in the game but thats okay. We will get underclassman and late round guys.




            http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nfl/s...me-los-angeles

            [/quote] Great News...

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              [quote user="nycsportzfan"][quote user="Redeyejedi"]

              Dude this is awesome the NFLPA game which has replaced the Texas Nation game will now allow All draft eligible players to play. Meaning we finally get a post season game that will allow Juniors to play. This has pissed me off to no end that we never get a look at these guys in these games and we finally do. Before the Texas Nation game was filled with late rounders but now this will turn into a much better game with top tier guys as well. The only thing that sux is that the game is within the same week as the Senior Bowl so the Senior Bowl players wont play in the game but thats okay. We will get underclassman and late round guys.




              http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nfl/s...me-los-angeles

              [/quote] Great News...
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              I agree, thats an huge change. Those games will have a whole new meaning now.
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                There goes one of my favorites. Got this on Rotoworld.

                Texas A&M running back Christine Michael will miss the rest of the season after tearing his ACL Saturday against Oklahoma.

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                  [quote user="tdawg1413"]There goes one of my favorites. Got this on Rotoworld.

                  Texas A&M running back Christine Michael will miss the rest of the season after tearing his ACL Saturday against Oklahoma.[/quote] Well, that stinks.. Guess we know his decison.. Cyrus Gray should use the last few games and bowl game to really try and get his stock back up there..

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                    I'm confused about a few players, mainly a couple actually.. What is the deal with Brandon Thompson DT Clemson and Billy Winn DT Boise st? I constantly see them mocked in RD 1, with Thompson sometimes in the TOP 10, and yet they barley make any impact plays at all, and i realize that they could be plugging holes, but it don't seem like there really tearing up the tackle numbers either.. I admit, to not paying much mind to these paticular players, so i could be in LF on this, but maybe someone can enlighten me to the hype on these 2?

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                      [quote user="nycsportzfan"][quote user="tdawg1413"]There goes one of my favorites. Got this on Rotoworld. Texas A&M running back Christine Michael will miss the rest of the season after tearing his ACL Saturday against Oklahoma.[/quote] Well, that stinks.. Guess we know his decison.. Cyrus Gray should use the last few games and bowl game to really try and get his stock back up there..
                      [/quote]Thats a rough injury for a RB. Gray has a good all around skill set. Not sure if he is an elite type talent but a lot of RB's have had very good years in the NFL without being an elite "Trent Richardson" type runner. I like Chris Polk for the Giants think he is a good fit here

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                        [quote user="Redeyejedi"][quote user="nycsportzfan"][quote user="tdawg1413"]There goes one of my favorites. Got this on Rotoworld. Texas A&M running back Christine Michael will miss the rest of the season after tearing his ACL Saturday against Oklahoma.[/quote] Well, that stinks.. Guess we know his decison.. Cyrus Gray should use the last few games and bowl game to really try and get his stock back up there..
                        [/quote]Thats a rough injury for a RB. Gray has a good all around skill set. Not sure if he is an elite type talent but a lot of RB's have had very good years in the NFL without being an elite "Trent Richardson" type runner. I like Chris Polk for the Giants think he is a good fit here[/quote] Yup, Chris Polk for me, is clearly the 2nd best back in the NFL, and possibly a late 1st rounder by Draft time... Hes the complete package, and reminds me alot of Steven Jackson..

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                          [quote user="nycsportzfan"]I'm confused about a few players, mainly a couple actually.. What is the deal with Brandon Thompson DT Clemson and Billy Winn DT Boise st? I constantly see them mocked in RD 1, with Thompson sometimes in the TOP 10, and yet they barley make any impact plays at all, and i realize that they could be plugging holes, but it don't seem like there really tearing up the tackle numbers either.. I admit, to not paying much mind to these paticular players, so i could be in LF on this, but maybe someone can enlighten me to the hype on these 2?
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                          Winn is a guy I think people like more because of potiental and versatility. He plays all over the line and has good length to his frame.Im personally not a big fan but I admit im not as versed on him as some of the other guys.




                          Brandon Thompson I am more familiar with. He looked real good down the stretch of 2010 and I thought he was in for a huge year but it hasnt really worked out that way.I think what bothers U is the lack of penetration and play making and i cant really argue with U there.Thompson probably is a 1 Tech in the NFL. He does a good job of couping blockers and freeing other players to make plays. He has talent but it often doesn't translate to him finishing the play himself. He does do a good job of pushing the pocket but I could see why that might be enough to warrant a very high draft grade

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                            [quote user="Redeyejedi"]

                            [quote user="nycsportzfan"]I'm confused about a few players, mainly a couple actually.. What is the deal with Brandon Thompson DT Clemson and Billy Winn DT Boise st? I constantly see them mocked in RD 1, with Thompson sometimes in the TOP 10, and yet they barley make any impact plays at all, and i realize that they could be plugging holes, but it don't seem like there really tearing up the tackle numbers either.. I admit, to not paying much mind to these paticular players, so i could be in LF on this, but maybe someone can enlighten me to the hype on these 2?
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                            Winn is a guy I think people like more because of potiental and versatility. He plays all over the line and has good length to his frame.Im personally not a big fan but I admit im not as versed on him as some of the other guys.




                            Brandon Thompson I am more familiar with. He looked real good down the stretch of 2010 and I thought he was in for a huge year but it hasnt really worked out that way.I think what bothers U is the lack of penetration and play making and i cant really argue with U there.Thompson probably is a 1 Tech in the NFL. He does a good job of couping blockers and freeing other players to make plays. He has talent but it often doesn't translate to him finishing the play himself. He does do a good job of pushing the pocket but I could see why that might be enough to warrant a very high draft grade

                            [/quote] ya, i figured Thompson was a free up defender DT, by his lack of big plays.. Its not a great yr for DT's as far as early on... So i guess people will reach a bit for any upside... Winn is versatile, but hes gotta start making plays or he might lose some luster to some nfl teams... I wonder if Thompson will go before Worthy?

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                              Dillard is gone. Now with Carolina practice squad.

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                                [quote user="nycsportzfan"]Its that time again, the Weekly Mock Draft from everybodys favorite Sportzfan!!!lol WHat a WIN against NE! Just remarkable! The talent on this giants team , is litteraly from Top to bottom.. I mean, if they could ever stay healthy, they could have the most Talent from Top to bottom, hands down in the whole league.. Anyhow, i got us picking 28th this week, up from i think 26th last wk... And obviously, every round, i'm doing my mock with us picking 28th in that Round... I'm also giving us as i did last week, a 4th round COMP pick for barry cofield, as i think thats what we'll get for him... Lets do it!!

                                1. Micahel Brewster C Ohio St- Its clear, we still haven't solved our longterm C problem, as Baas has been good but not great, and injury prone, and i'd like him to move over to his natural G positon next yr and take over for soon to be ex giant(thanks for memories davie!), David Diehl.. Diehl is due to much money and will certainly be let go after this season.. I don't need to rant about Brewster because hes in a few of my prior mocks.. Hes a great C prospect, and i think will really help that Up the Gut running for us.. Hes a complete C with great size, technique and nastiness..Reminds me of Alex Mack...

                                2. Tj Mcdonald S U.S.C- I really like McDonald, and i don't know how much Doe KP will ask for when his FA'cy comes up, and we could simply use another S that can get after it against the Pass, but yet has the size to defend the run as well.. McDonald is right at the top of the Safety Class, but its not a great top heavy class, so i got him falling to end of RD 2 for us.. He Reminds me of KP kinda, but the KP before the Knee issues.. McDonald could have the career we thought KP was gonna have..(not that KPs been dreadful or anything, but u know what i mean)

                                3. Devin Taylor DE South Carolina- A athletic Freak! U put him on the field with JPP, and Kiwi, and Marvin Austin, and Linval, and Prince, and TT, and Rolle, and Jaquain WIlliams, and yada yada yada, and jesus!!lol Hes very Long obviously, and has gotten a pick in back to back yrs because of that length, and i could see him being a batted ball machine, and really help keep the stable of pass rushers filled for us, with OSI's future in question and Tuck another yr older..

                                4 Doug Martin RB Boise St- I see a bit of Ray Rice in Martin, and with Bradshaws feet issues and Jacobs probably out of here after the season, a RB could be usefull, and Martin runs hard, has pretty solid enough speed, nice low center of gravity, and can keep going after contact... Martin/Bradshaw/Scott as are future 3rb's... They could really be a beastly 3some..

                                4. Jerry Franklin LB Arkansas- As redeye does, i also just really like Franklins game.. With Goffs injury, we could bring in another MLB to challenge Greg Jones going forward, or possibly move Franklin to SLB, and Kiwi back to End.. Either way, Franklin is good value in the COMP picks of RD 4, and worth a shot...

                                5. Cameron Chism CB Maryland- Not sure if he makes it here, but its possible with a good class of CB's coming out, and i'm sure a heap of Jr's as well.. Chism is very underrated and has the Giant CB size, and very good speed and expierence.. His ball skills are above averege and to be honest, i'm surprised he dosen't get more attention, all though Maryland is having a horrific season..

                                6. Chandler Harnish QB No. Illinois- Spoken about him before, and hes back in this mock.. I like Chandler becasue of his versatility, with the ability to Run and throw, and he seems to have a bit of that "it" factor, and is worth taking a chance on, in my opinion..

                                7. Josh Chichester TE Louisville- A nice Sleeper pick, whos more WR then Blocking TE, but when u used to be a WR, that is usually how it works..lol hes got a ton of the physical tools, and room to add weight, and just on upside and potential, is worth a shot.. A intriguing guy....
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                                this is interesting as there are a lot of guys i like around 28. lamaar miller,ta'amu,konz,allen,worthy hmm. yes i know you dont like to pick underclassmen but seeing as you and i arent psychics i dont care about accuracy but this is how id go.

                                1.Lamaar Miller RB Miami- miller is a great rb and is gaining steam every week it seems. We have to revamp our run game and that starts with the oline. Unfortunately it doesnt seem like our FO like interior linemen in round one. Jacobs has completely fallen off the reservation (oline hugely to blame) and bradshaw feet always seem to have some problem. Miller could be a major offensive weapon for us.(Alt: worthy)

                                2.Lucas Nix OG Pitt- same as last week. Big body, interior lineman, great potential.

                                3.Brandon Boykin CB Georgia- not really in giants mold but personally i dont like our mold. I want speed on the edges

                                4.TY Hilton WR FIU- same as last week. He will move up in the next few months but until then STEAL!

                                4.Lance Lewis WR ECU
                                - there are alot of factors that will play into this pick. Nicks and cruz are gimmies unless one of them holds out. After that the field gets muddled. jernigan you can probably keep, but what a disappointing rookie year so far. MM will command big bucks, hixon might be done, barden needs to step it up. Lewis is a very good possession receiver and can make the tough catches. reminds me a lot of amani

                                5.Tyrone Crawford DE Boise ST

                                6.James Brown OT Troy

                                7.Moe Petrus C Uconn

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