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    I didn't say it was good. The argument though was that his stats were a product of the system around him, which I don't find as compelling of an argument by Rang especially when in application for the Giants specifically.

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      [quote user="heavyhitter"][quote user="nycsportzfan"][quote user="heavyhitter"][quote user="nycsportzfan"]Heres a little Scouting Report from Walt football on mercilus I only put it on here because of the player comparison of JPP I agree with Walt about Whitney being pretty athletic. Even if u don't think hes that athletic u gotta love Whitney as a prospect



      [*]Whitney Mercilus, 6-4/265
      [*]Defensive End

      [*]Illinois














      Whitney Mercilus Scouting Report

      By Charlie Campbell








      Strengths:
      [*] Raw speed to turn the edge
      [*] Agility to sink his hips/shoulder
      [*] Strength
      [*] Repertoire of moves
      [*] Active hands
      [*] Has the strength to anchor and hold his ground vs. the run
      [*] Always looking to force fumbles
      [*] Quick get off
      [*] Shedding blocks when pass rushing
      [*] Ability to bull rush heavy tackles and guards
      [*] Extremely athletic








































































      Weaknesses:

      [*] One-year wonder
      [*] Lacks complete body of work in college
      [*] Quality of tackles he faced







      Summary: Whitney Mercilus was the most productive pass-rusher in
      college football in 2011. He led the nation in sacks (16) and forced
      fumbles (9). It was a record-setting season as Mercilus topped Simeon
      Rice's school record for sacks in a year. Like Rice, Mercilus is a
      fabulous athlete. He has a special combination of size, speed and
      strength to go along with excellent technique. Mercilus also recorded 57
      tackles and 22.5 tackles for a loss.



      Entering the NFL, Mercilus is an advanced pass-rusher. He got the better
      of the best tackles he faced this season. Against Ohio State's Mike
      Adams, Mercilus recorded 1.5 sacks with a forced fumble. The Wisconsin
      Badgers' powerful offensive line couldn't contain Mercilus. He bull
      rushed through massive right tackle Josh Oglesby to get a sack-fumble on
      Russell Wilson. Mercilus also knocked out left tackle Ricky Wagner for
      part of the game.



      Mercilus has a very impressive repertoire of pass rushing moves. He
      attacks with speed around the edge. As a counter to the speed, he has
      the strength to execute rip moves and shed offensive linemen. Mercilus
      has the raw power to get under offensive linemen's pads and bull rush
      into the pocket. That catches linemen by surprise as they are so
      cognizant of being ready for his speed rush. Beyond his great physical
      skill set, Mercilus is an advanced pass-rusher technically.



      Mercilus holds up well in run defense. Linemen don't push him around, as
      he is strong at the point of attack. He also will burst into the
      backfield to disrupt running plays.



      The big question regarding Mercilus is why didn't break into the lineup
      sooner and why didn't he produce more earlier. In 2009 and 2010,
      Mercilus combined to record 24 tackles with two sacks and 6.5 tackles
      for a loss.





























      Player Comparison: Jason Pierre-Paul. There are a lot of
      similarities between Mercilus and JPP. Both are fantastic athletes who
      come to the NFL with a special combination of speed and strength. They
      also were one-year wonders at the college level. Mercilus had more
      production than JPP in their final college season, and the latter has
      turned into one of the best pass-rushers in the NFL.





      Right now, it looks like Mercilus should get drafted in the same range
      as JPP. However, it is possible that Mercilus will be this year's Aldon
      Smith and surprise some by cracking the top 10. It is not out of the
      question for him to pass North Carolina's Quinton Coples in the lead up
      to the 2012 NFL Draft. JPP did that with Derrick Morgan in 2010. Projecting Mercilus to the pros, I see a player similar to Pierre-Paul.





      NFL Matches: Jacksonville, Chicago, San Diego, New York Jets, Buffalo, Cleveland, Detroit




      What team couldn't use another pass-rusher? Mercilus has the athletic
      ability to be a stand-up edge-rusher in 3-4 defenses, and that opens him
      up to consideration from a lot of teams. He looks like a natural right
      defensive end in a 4-3 defense who will challenge left tackles.




      The Jaguars will have the first crack at Mercilus, and they need an edge
      rusher. Buffalo, San Diego and the Jets are all 3-4 defenses that need
      to find a player who can put heat on the quarterback. If Mercilus gets
      past all of those teams, he could end up in Chicago. They need some
      young talent for their defense. It would be a significant fall for
      Mercilus to get to the Browns' second first-round selection, but they
      could use an end to complete their young front four. The Lions almost
      took a defensive end last year, and if they don't re-sign Cliff Avril,
      they might consider trading up to land Mercilus.

      [/quote]Who is Charlie Campbell? Not a knock on Mercilus, but to compare him to JPP is just ridiculous.
      [/quote] Why is it ridiculous? Hes not saying hes gonna be JPP but hes saying he is a good comparison of where Whitney could be if everything works out Hes also comparing him to JPP because like JPP Whitney is a one yr wonder who came outta nowhere and will likely fly up draft boards as the draft approaches Hes a sensational prospect and don't fall for Whitney being what hes talked about now because trust me when the draft is here Whitney will be going in the pick 15-23ish of the 1st round
      [/quote]IDK Sportzfan, I haven't watched enough on him so I really can't speak but just by reading all different kinds of scouting reports he seems like a classic "boom or bust" type of guy. Like I said, I keep up w/ the ACC & SEC guys down here in Florida so I don't know enough to pass judgement on the guy. Do you really want to take that risk in the 1st round w/ Mercilus? If he's projected to go somewhere in the 15-23 overall range, then that makes him a bargain for the Giants, right? Check out this article Rob Rang wrote up on Mercilus. http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/s...t-firstrounder
      [/quote] I seen the article that Rob Rang wrote. U ask if i really want to take that risk on Whitney in RD 1? Well i ask Do u really want to take that risk on Jason Pierre Paul in RD 1? A guy who had about half the production in his one big yr of college football then Whitney did? And i'd argue that the big 10 is better then the Big East as well especially when your talking about Offensive lineman. The bottom line is Whitney will fly up draft boards as hes got perfect size and a sensational motor and unhearleded production in this past season(lead the country in sacks and forced fumbles) What else would u want outta a prospect? Theres litteraly nothing else u could ask for outta a prospect then u do with Whitney outside of hes not done it for 4yrs but then again Hes only a JR so if he went back to ILL next yr and did it again he'd have 2yrs of great production which isn't uncommon at all. Whitney is the real deal and i would be utterly shocked if someone didn't jump on his upside and potential similar to what the Giants did with JPP when he came out . Again Whitney destroyed JPP's production if u compare there 1big season of major college football


























































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      • Re: A look at the 2012 NFL draft

        [quote user="nycsportzfan"][quote user="heavyhitter"][quote user="nycsportzfan"][quote user="heavyhitter"][quote user="nycsportzfan"]Heres a little Scouting Report from Walt football on mercilus I only put it on here because of the player comparison of JPP I agree with Walt about Whitney being pretty athletic. Even if u don't think hes that athletic u gotta love Whitney as a prospect







      • Whitney Mercilus, 6-4/265


      • Defensive End


      • Illinois



      • Whitney Mercilus Scouting Report
        By Charlie Campbell


        Strengths:
      • Raw speed to turn the edge
      • Agility to sink his hips/shoulder
      • Strength
      • Repertoire of moves
      • Active hands
      • Has the strength to anchor and hold his ground vs. the run
      • Always looking to force fumbles
      • Quick get off
      • Shedding blocks when pass rushing
      • Ability to bull rush heavy tackles and guards
      • Extremely athletic





        Weaknesses:
      • One-year wonder
      • Lacks complete body of work in college
      • Quality of tackles he faced

        Summary: Whitney Mercilus was the most productive pass-rusher in college football in 2011. He led the nation in sacks (16) and forced fumbles (9). It was a record-setting season as Mercilus topped Simeon Rice's school record for sacks in a year. Like Rice, Mercilus is a fabulous athlete. He has a special combination of size, speed and strength to go along with excellent technique. Mercilus also recorded 57 tackles and 22.5 tackles for a loss.

        Entering the NFL, Mercilus is an advanced pass-rusher. He got the better of the best tackles he faced this season. Against Ohio State's Mike Adams, Mercilus recorded 1.5 sacks with a forced fumble. The Wisconsin Badgers' powerful offensive line couldn't contain Mercilus. He bull rushed through massive right tackle Josh Oglesby to get a sack-fumble on Russell Wilson. Mercilus also knocked out left tackle Ricky Wagner for part of the game.

        Mercilus has a very impressive repertoire of pass rushing moves. He attacks with speed around the edge. As a counter to the speed, he has the strength to execute rip moves and shed offensive linemen. Mercilus has the raw power to get under offensive linemen's pads and bull rush into the pocket. That catches linemen by surprise as they are so cognizant of being ready for his speed rush. Beyond his great physical skill set, Mercilus is an advanced pass-rusher technically.

        Mercilus holds up well in run defense. Linemen don't push him around, as he is strong at the point of attack. He also will burst into the backfield to disrupt running plays.

        The big question regarding Mercilus is why didn't break into the lineup sooner and why didn't he produce more earlier. In 2009 and 2010, Mercilus combined to record 24 tackles with two sacks and 6.5 tackles for a loss.




        Player Comparison: Jason Pierre-Paul. There are a lot of similarities between Mercilus and JPP. Both are fantastic athletes who come to the NFL with a special combination of speed and strength. They also were one-year wonders at the college level. Mercilus had more production than JPP in their final college season, and the latter has turned into one of the best pass-rushers in the NFL.

        Right now, it looks like Mercilus should get drafted in the same range as JPP. However, it is possible that Mercilus will be this year's Aldon Smith and surprise some by cracking the top 10. It is not out of the question for him to pass North Carolina's Quinton Coples in the lead up to the 2012 NFL Draft. JPP did that with Derrick Morgan in 2010. Projecting Mercilus to the pros, I see a player similar to Pierre-Paul.

        NFL Matches: Jacksonville, Chicago, San Diego, New York Jets, Buffalo, Cleveland, Detroit

        What team couldn't use another pass-rusher? Mercilus has the athletic ability to be a stand-up edge-rusher in 3-4 defenses, and that opens him up to consideration from a lot of teams. He looks like a natural right defensive end in a 4-3 defense who will challenge left tackles.

        The Jaguars will have the first crack at Mercilus, and they need an edge rusher. Buffalo, San Diego and the Jets are all 3-4 defenses that need to find a player who can put heat on the quarterback. If Mercilus gets past all of those teams, he could end up in Chicago. They need some young talent for their defense. It would be a significant fall for Mercilus to get to the Browns' second first-round selection, but they could use an end to complete their young front four. The Lions almost took a defensive end last year, and if they don't re-sign Cliff Avril, they might consider trading up to land Mercilus.
      [/quote]Who is Charlie Campbell? Not a knock on Mercilus, but to compare him to JPP is just ridiculous.
      [/quote] Why is it ridiculous? Hes not saying hes gonna be JPP but hes saying he is a good comparison of where Whitney could be if everything works out Hes also comparing him to JPP because like JPP Whitney is a one yr wonder who came outta nowhere and will likely fly up draft boards as the draft approaches Hes a sensational prospect and don't fall for Whitney being what hes talked about now because trust me when the draft is here Whitney will be going in the pick 15-23ish of the 1st round
      [/quote]IDK Sportzfan, I haven't watched enough on him so I really can't speak but just by reading all different kinds of scouting reports he seems like a classic "boom or bust" type of guy. Like I said, I keep up w/ the ACC & SEC guys down here in Florida so I don't know enough to pass judgement on the guy. Do you really want to take that risk in the 1st round w/ Mercilus? If he's projected to go somewhere in the 15-23 overall range, then that makes him a bargain for the Giants, right? Check out this article Rob Rang wrote up on Mercilus. http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/s...t-firstrounder
      [/quote] I seen the article that Rob Rang wrote. U ask if i really want to take that risk on Whitney in RD 1? Well i ask Do u really want to take that risk on Jason Pierre Paul in RD 1? A guy who had about half the production in his one big yr of college football then Whitney did? And i'd argue that the big 10 is better then the Big East as well especially when your talking about Offensive lineman. The bottom line is Whitney will fly up draft boards as hes got perfect size and a sensational motor and unhearleded production in this past season(lead the country in sacks and forced fumbles) What else would u want outta a prospect? Theres litteraly nothing else u could ask for outta a prospect then u do with Whitney outside of hes not done it for 4yrs but then again Hes only a JR so if he went back to ILL next yr and did it again he'd have 2yrs of great production which isn't uncommon at all. Whitney is the real deal and i would be utterly shocked if someone didn't jump on his upside and potential similar to what the Giants did with JPP when he came out . Again Whitney destroyed JPP's production if u compare there 1big season of major college football



















      [/quote]




      What Rang is saying is How Production is obtained is more important then the actual production itself. Sacks can be misleading at times because of a scheme. Say if all of a guys sacks come against TE's, RB's, failed Blitz pick ups, Coverage sacksthe numbers can look better then what the actual player is.Thats not the case with Mercilus im just saying production can be skewed. The FF thing I dont know how u can skew that.Thats the thing that impresses me the most is the turnovers forced.

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        Ya your right about sacks and production being skewed at times but like u said its not the case with Whitney so thats pretty much pointless. Don't u agree that Whitney has the best package for a 4/3 end in this draft? I would rather have Whitney and his relentless motor then i would watching Quentin Coples dissapear for weeks at a time. I am a huge Whitney fan and its who i want our Giants to get in this yrs draft. I'd then trade OSI for a 3rd round pick(i think his production last game of season and into this playoff run will help his trade stock again). But like i said before i don't think whitney will be there when we pick


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          Heres this weeks draft as our season continues to roll along after a huge WIN against the Falcons in first round of NFL playoffs. Again i will do these untill our season ends and then one more before stopping for quite awhile


          1. Dwayne Allen TE Cle
          mson- Sticking with Allen here because he offers most bang for our buck in my mind as far as thinking about what i think the 1st round will look like at this point. Ballard has looked less like the player he did early on this season and i think he'd be perfect as a 2nd TE on a team. Allen is a special talent and the most complete TE in this draft.

          2.
          markelle martin s ok st- I'm going with the hard hitting speedy safety in RD 2 becuase i'm not a huge Antrel Rolle fan and regardless we need depth there with chad jones not back yet and KP with the creeky knees. markelle is a guy i see as a intimidator in the NFL and a a good "all around" safey who can make plays on the ball despite the fact he didn't do that all that much this season(still had a very nice season!)

          3.
          micael brewster c Ohio St- I don't know if Brewsters stock will slide this far but i think its possible. If it does and were on the clock with Brewster still there its a no brainer in my opinion. Yesterdays first half showed how inconsistent our interior blocking can be and they've been like that all yr. David Baas has been a complete bust so far in my opinion and a upgrade is a must with the rugged way the giants run to set up play action. Brewster is a good all around C with good size and despite a few bad games this yr has had a very good career in the big 10. I like BIG 10 Lineman and i always have

          4. Terrance Ganaway RB Baylor- I like the thu
          mper from baylor who kinda reminds me of steven jackson as far as running style. I think Ganaway could be a steal in this draft and perfect back for us to throw in a duo or trio. Vick Ballard is another guy i considered here

          5. Cameron Chism cb maryland- a underrated player on a bad team. Chism has solid size and good speed and would be a much higher pick if he was on say Alabama

          6. Greg Childs wr Ark- As i said the other day after ARK played K-STATE that i thought Childs looked healthy finally and despite not having a truly
          monster game looked like the CHilds we thought we'd see this past season. When healthy Childs is a dangerous sure handed big target WR . If we lose mario in the offseason I'd be happy to take a shot on Childs for depth and hopefully more down the line

          7. Demario Davis LB Arkansas St- The leader of what was a solid defense for most of the season Davis is a good late round draft pick trying to hit a HR. Davis has been on of the best Defnders in the Sun Belt his entire career and can make plays rushing the passer or playing the run who occasionaly comes up with a pick

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            Where's zach brown going to get drafted? We need another athletic linebacker.

            This draft is going to be a very unique one for us.

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              Hey guys who are some players to look at tonight in the BCS championship??


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                [quote user="Kase-1"]Hey guys who are some players to look at tonight in the BCS championship??


                [/quote]

                Basically every player haha both teams are loaded with talent.

                RBs- Trent Richardson
                LBs- Dont'a Hightower, Courtney Upshaw
                DBs- Morris Claiborne, Dre Kirkpatrick, Mark Barron

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                  [quote user="Spizi"][quote user="Kase-1"]Hey guys who are some players to look at tonight in the BCS championship??


                  [/quote]

                  Basically every player haha both teams are loaded with talent.

                  RBs- Trent Richardson
                  LBs- Dont'a Hightower, Courtney Upshaw
                  DBs- Morris Claiborne, Dre Kirkpatrick, Mark Barron[/quote]I thought that just about every starter on both teams is 1st-3rd round talent
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                    [quote user="nycsportzfan"]*Ya* your right about sacks and production being skewed at times but like u said its not the case with Whitney** so thats pretty much pointless.** Don't u agree that Whitney has the best package for a 4/3 end in this draft?* I* would rather have Whitney and his relentless motor** then i would watching Quentin Coples dissapear for weeks at a time.* I am a huge Whitney fan and its who i want our Giants to get in this yrs draft.* I'd then trade OSI for a 3rd round pick(i think his production last game of season and into this playoff run will help his trade stock again).** But like i said before** i don't think whitney will be there when we pick


                    [/quote]

                    If he gets drafted by JR, you have to do one thing for us. Stop calling him Whitney and start referring to him as Mercilus only.

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                      [quote user="lawl"]Where's zach brown going to get drafted? We need another athletic linebacker.

                      This draft is going to be a very unique one for us.[/quote]

                      We don't need an athletic LB, we need a good LB. Brown can't tackle and is just too small. We might as well put KP at LB if we want someone with athleticism because that's what you're getting with Brown. A LB in a safety's body.

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                        [quote user="Kase-1"][quote user="Spizi"][quote user="Kase-1"]Hey guys who are some players to look at tonight in the BCS championship??


                        [/quote]

                        Basically every player haha both teams are loaded with talent.

                        RBs- Trent Richardson
                        LBs- Dont'a Hightower, Courtney Upshaw
                        DBs- Morris Claiborne, Dre Kirkpatrick, Mark Barron[/quote]I thought that just about every starter on both teams is 1st-3rd round talent
                        [/quote] ya U got Josh Chapman DT Bama Reuben Randle WR LSU marquis maze WR Bama William Vlachos C Bama on top of all the other guys mentioned in above post Plus another 5or 6 guys i'm sure i'm not mentioned

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                          [quote user="bLuereverie"][quote user="nycsportzfan"]Ya your right about sacks and production being skewed at times but like u said its not the case with Whitney so thats pretty much pointless. Don't u agree that Whitney has the best package for a 4/3 end in this draft? I would rather have Whitney and his relentless motor then i would watching Quentin Coples dissapear for weeks at a time. I am a huge Whitney fan and its who i want our Giants to get in this yrs draft. I'd then trade OSI for a 3rd round pick(i think his production last game of season and into this playoff run will help his trade stock again). But like i said before i don't think whitney will be there when we pick


                          [/quote]

                          If he gets drafted by JR, you have to do one thing for us. Stop calling him Whitney and start referring to him as Mercilus only.[/quote] I only call him whitney because my " m" button on my computer dosen't work lol So by writing Whitney i don't have to copy and paste a "m" everytime lol

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                            Who do you guys have winning this BCS title game tonight between LSU and Alabama? Should be a hell of a battle, love both of these defenses. So much NFL talent is on the field tonight.

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                              FSU CB Xavier Rhodes will not declare for the NFL Draft and be back at FSU for his Junior year.
                              Xavier Rhodes won't enter NFL draft
                              ESPN - 17 minutes ago

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