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    Official times for RB's

    1
    RBLamar MillerMiami
    4.40
    2
    RBRonnie HillmanSan Diego St.
    4.45
    2
    4.45
    2
    RBChris RaineyFlorida
    4.45
    5
    RBCyrus GrayTexas A&M
    4.47
    5
    RBIsaiah PeadCincinnati
    4.47
    7
    4.49
    7
    RBDavid WilsonVirginia Tech
    4.49
    9
    RBRobert TurbinUtah St.
    4.50
    10
    RBEdwin BakerMichigan St.
    4.53
    10
    RBDavin MeggettMaryland
    4.53
    12
    RBTauren PooleTennessee
    4.54
    13
    RBDoug MartinBoise St.
    4.55
    14
    RBChris PolkWashington
    4.57

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      [quote user="nycsportzfan"][quote user="Neverend"][quote user="BluGiantPies"]What does everybody think about Stephen hill wr Georgia tech? I've seen him projected between late first to early third. Pretty big gap there.[/quote] I think he is very underrated. One of his biggest strengths is his very good body control. Almost nearly as good as Justin Blackmon's and Alshon Jeffrey except Stephen has had a number of concentration issues. Definitely a very nice option to have in the mid rounds but I see his stock going high[/quote] The thing about hill is his potential is through the roof, because of his playing in a option offense, u kinda didn't get to see how much a factor he could be in a prostyle offense, and u add in that elite size and strength, and u could really get yourself a steal with Stephen Hill... Hill's a great player to pick if your a team that needs a WR, but your 1st couple picks were other positons because of simply to good of value, and in early RD 3, u take stephen hill, becuase u still got a chance of getting RD 1 type production while still filling other positons with your first couple picks..The same could be said about Streeter of Miami... I actually woulden't mind the giants taking a gamble on either streeter or hill if they were there in RD 3(highly doubtful), to kinda fill the big redzone threat that Plax used to play for us, with the ability to get deep as well.... If we are to pick a WR, i'm thinking a big strong long striding WR is the way we'll go, with the idea that Jerrnigan will take over the Mario role down the line for us(i think Mario is 100pct gone)[/quote] welp, now that Hill and Streeter had such good combines, i surely doubt they get anywhere near us in RD 3.. Like i said, teams looking for RD 1 production outta reciver in the 3rd rd, might wanna take a flier on Hill or Streeter, but there clearly risers now, and i surely doubt they make it to the 3rd, and if Streeter does, it'll be shortly there after, hes gone...

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        [quote user="Redeyejedi"]


        [quote user="Kase-1"]Could one of you guys post some footage on Massie, I cant find anything about him video wise on youtube
        [/quote]




        Bobby Massie vs Alabama 2011




        [/quote] my 2nd rder for us in my last mock was bobbie massie, and i think the kid would be a perfect RT for us, who could possibly fill in at LT in a pinch..







        Bobby Massie, OT, Ole Miss
        Bobby Massie stood out during the weigh-ins when his arms measured in at 35 inches. His bench press (22 reps) wasn't nearly as impressive, but it was understandable considering how long his arms are. He showed solid athleticism on Saturday, so he should be drafted at some point on Day 2.

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          Shea Mcclenin had the 2nd fastest 40 time of the Dlineman today. I knew he was faster then people were giving him credit for. All u had to do was see the INT return against ASU to see how fast he was he was running stride for stride with the CB

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            [quote user="Redeyejedi"]Shea Mcclenin had the 2nd fastest 40 time of the Dlineman today. I knew he was faster then people were giving him credit for. All u had to do was see the INT return against ASU to see how fast he was he was running stride for stride with the CB[/quote] actually it was the third fastest behind nick Perry and Bruce Irvin if your even counting Irvin I dunno he screams linebacker to me

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              [quote user="heavyhitter"][quote user="nycsportzfan"][quote user="heavyhitter"][quote user="nycsportzfan"]Heres a little Scouting Report from Walt football on mercilus I only put it on here because of the player comparison of JPP I agree with Walt about Whitney being pretty athletic. Even if u don't think hes that athletic u gotta love Whitney as a prospect







            • Whitney Mercilus, 6-4/265


            • Defensive End


            • Illinois



            • Whitney Mercilus Scouting Report
              By Charlie Campbell


              Strengths:
            • Raw speed to turn the edge
            • Agility to sink his hips/shoulder
            • Strength
            • Repertoire of moves
            • Active hands
            • Has the strength to anchor and hold his ground vs. the run
            • Always looking to force fumbles
            • Quick get off
            • Shedding blocks when pass rushing
            • Ability to bull rush heavy tackles and guards
            • Extremely athletic





              Weaknesses:
            • One-year wonder
            • Lacks complete body of work in college
            • Quality of tackles he faced

              Summary: Whitney Mercilus was the most productive pass-rusher in college football in 2011. He led the nation in sacks (16) and forced fumbles (9). It was a record-setting season as Mercilus topped Simeon Rice's school record for sacks in a year. Like Rice, Mercilus is a fabulous athlete. He has a special combination of size, speed and strength to go along with excellent technique. Mercilus also recorded 57 tackles and 22.5 tackles for a loss.

              Entering the NFL, Mercilus is an advanced pass-rusher. He got the better of the best tackles he faced this season. Against Ohio State's Mike Adams, Mercilus recorded 1.5 sacks with a forced fumble. The Wisconsin Badgers' powerful offensive line couldn't contain Mercilus. He bull rushed through massive right tackle Josh Oglesby to get a sack-fumble on Russell Wilson. Mercilus also knocked out left tackle Ricky Wagner for part of the game.

              Mercilus has a very impressive repertoire of pass rushing moves. He attacks with speed around the edge. As a counter to the speed, he has the strength to execute rip moves and shed offensive linemen. Mercilus has the raw power to get under offensive linemen's pads and bull rush into the pocket. That catches linemen by surprise as they are so cognizant of being ready for his speed rush. Beyond his great physical skill set, Mercilus is an advanced pass-rusher technically.

              Mercilus holds up well in run defense. Linemen don't push him around, as he is strong at the point of attack. He also will burst into the backfield to disrupt running plays.

              The big question regarding Mercilus is why didn't break into the lineup sooner and why didn't he produce more earlier. In 2009 and 2010, Mercilus combined to record 24 tackles with two sacks and 6.5 tackles for a loss.




              Player Comparison: Jason Pierre-Paul. There are a lot of similarities between Mercilus and JPP. Both are fantastic athletes who come to the NFL with a special combination of speed and strength. They also were one-year wonders at the college level. Mercilus had more production than JPP in their final college season, and the latter has turned into one of the best pass-rushers in the NFL.

              Right now, it looks like Mercilus should get drafted in the same range as JPP. However, it is possible that Mercilus will be this year's Aldon Smith and surprise some by cracking the top 10. It is not out of the question for him to pass North Carolina's Quinton Coples in the lead up to the 2012 NFL Draft. JPP did that with Derrick Morgan in 2010. Projecting Mercilus to the pros, I see a player similar to Pierre-Paul.

              NFL Matches: Jacksonville, Chicago, San Diego, New York Jets, Buffalo, Cleveland, Detroit

              What team couldn't use another pass-rusher? Mercilus has the athletic ability to be a stand-up edge-rusher in 3-4 defenses, and that opens him up to consideration from a lot of teams. He looks like a natural right defensive end in a 4-3 defense who will challenge left tackles.

              The Jaguars will have the first crack at Mercilus, and they need an edge rusher. Buffalo, San Diego and the Jets are all 3-4 defenses that need to find a player who can put heat on the quarterback. If Mercilus gets past all of those teams, he could end up in Chicago. They need some young talent for their defense. It would be a significant fall for Mercilus to get to the Browns' second first-round selection, but they could use an end to complete their young front four. The Lions almost took a defensive end last year, and if they don't re-sign Cliff Avril, they might consider trading up to land Mercilus.



            [/quote]Who is Charlie Campbell? Not a knock on Mercilus, but to compare him to JPP is just ridiculous.
            [/quote] Why is it ridiculous? Hes not saying hes gonna be JPP but hes saying he is a good comparison of where Whitney could be if everything works out Hes also comparing him to JPP because like JPP Whitney is a one yr wonder who came outta nowhere and will likely fly up draft boards as the draft approaches Hes a sensational prospect and don't fall for Whitney being what hes talked about now because trust me when the draft is here Whitney will be going in the pick 15-23ish of the 1st round
            [/quote]IDK Sportzfan, I haven't watched enough on him so I really can't speak but just by reading all different kinds of scouting reports he seems like a classic "boom or bust" type of guy. Like I said, I keep up w/ the ACC & SEC guys down here in Florida so I don't know enough to pass judgement on the guy. Do you really want to take that risk in the 1st round w/ Mercilus? If he's projected to go somewhere in the 15-23 overall range, then that makes him a bargain for the Giants, right? Check out this article Rob Rang wrote up on Mercilus. http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/s...t-firstrounder
            [/quote] Welp, i think the combine showed that Mercilus is pretty athletic, just as i said.. Also, as i was saying for months, hes gonna be a riser come draft time, and i think this combine performance gurantees him a top 20-25 pick, and possibly a bit earlier.. I knew he wasen't gonna be going in RD 2 or wherever some of these sites had him going a month ago...







            Whitney Mercilus, DE/OLB, Illinois
            Whitney Mercilus showed off his athleticism in Indianapolis. He ran a 4.63 with a 1.56 10-yard split and also notched a 32-inch vertical. He really impressed in the drills, solidifying his top-25 status.

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              [quote user="nycsportzfan"][quote user="heavyhitter"][quote user="nycsportzfan"][quote user="heavyhitter"][quote user="nycsportzfan"]Heres a little Scouting Report from Walt football on mercilus I only put it on here because of the player comparison of JPP I agree with Walt about Whitney being pretty athletic. Even if u don't think hes that athletic u gotta love Whitney as a prospect






              [*]Whitney Mercilus, 6-4/265


              [*]Defensive End

              [*]Illinois



              Whitney Mercilus Scouting Report
              By Charlie Campbell


              Strengths: [*]Raw speed to turn the edge [*]Agility to sink his hips/shoulder [*]Strength [*]Repertoire of moves [*]Active hands [*]Has the strength to anchor and hold his ground vs. the run [*]Always looking to force fumbles [*]Quick get off [*]Shedding blocks when pass rushing [*]Ability to bull rush heavy tackles and guards [*]Extremely athletic





              Weaknesses: [*]One-year wonder [*]Lacks complete body of work in college [*]Quality of tackles he faced

              Summary: Whitney Mercilus was the most productive pass-rusher in college football in 2011. He led the nation in sacks (16) and forced fumbles (9). It was a record-setting season as Mercilus topped Simeon Rice's school record for sacks in a year. Like Rice, Mercilus is a fabulous athlete. He has a special combination of size, speed and strength to go along with excellent technique. Mercilus also recorded 57 tackles and 22.5 tackles for a loss.

              Entering the NFL, Mercilus is an advanced pass-rusher. He got the better of the best tackles he faced this season. Against Ohio State's Mike Adams, Mercilus recorded 1.5 sacks with a forced fumble. The Wisconsin Badgers' powerful offensive line couldn't contain Mercilus. He bull rushed through massive right tackle Josh Oglesby to get a sack-fumble on Russell Wilson. Mercilus also knocked out left tackle Ricky Wagner for part of the game.

              Mercilus has a very impressive repertoire of pass rushing moves. He attacks with speed around the edge. As a counter to the speed, he has the strength to execute rip moves and shed offensive linemen. Mercilus has the raw power to get under offensive linemen's pads and bull rush into the pocket. That catches linemen by surprise as they are so cognizant of being ready for his speed rush. Beyond his great physical skill set, Mercilus is an advanced pass-rusher technically.

              Mercilus holds up well in run defense. Linemen don't push him around, as he is strong at the point of attack. He also will burst into the backfield to disrupt running plays.

              The big question regarding Mercilus is why didn't break into the lineup sooner and why didn't he produce more earlier. In 2009 and 2010, Mercilus combined to record 24 tackles with two sacks and 6.5 tackles for a loss.




              Player Comparison: Jason Pierre-Paul. There are a lot of similarities between Mercilus and JPP. Both are fantastic athletes who come to the NFL with a special combination of speed and strength. They also were one-year wonders at the college level. Mercilus had more production than JPP in their final college season, and the latter has turned into one of the best pass-rushers in the NFL.

              Right now, it looks like Mercilus should get drafted in the same range as JPP. However, it is possible that Mercilus will be this year's Aldon Smith and surprise some by cracking the top 10. It is not out of the question for him to pass North Carolina's Quinton Coples in the lead up to the 2012 NFL Draft. JPP did that with Derrick Morgan in 2010. Projecting Mercilus to the pros, I see a player similar to Pierre-Paul.

              NFL Matches: Jacksonville, Chicago, San Diego, New York Jets, Buffalo, Cleveland, Detroit

              What team couldn't use another pass-rusher? Mercilus has the athletic ability to be a stand-up edge-rusher in 3-4 defenses, and that opens him up to consideration from a lot of teams. He looks like a natural right defensive end in a 4-3 defense who will challenge left tackles.

              The Jaguars will have the first crack at Mercilus, and they need an edge rusher. Buffalo, San Diego and the Jets are all 3-4 defenses that need to find a player who can put heat on the quarterback. If Mercilus gets past all of those teams, he could end up in Chicago. They need some young talent for their defense. It would be a significant fall for Mercilus to get to the Browns' second first-round selection, but they could use an end to complete their young front four. The Lions almost took a defensive end last year, and if they don't re-sign Cliff Avril, they might consider trading up to land Mercilus.



              [/quote]Who is Charlie Campbell? Not a knock on Mercilus, but to compare him to JPP is just ridiculous.
              [/quote] Why is it ridiculous? Hes not saying hes gonna be JPP but hes saying he is a good comparison of where Whitney could be if everything works out Hes also comparing him to JPP because like JPP Whitney is a one yr wonder who came outta nowhere and will likely fly up draft boards as the draft approaches Hes a sensational prospect and don't fall for Whitney being what hes talked about now because trust me when the draft is here Whitney will be going in the pick 15-23ish of the 1st round
              [/quote]IDK Sportzfan, I haven't watched enough on him so I really can't speak but just by reading all different kinds of scouting reports he seems like a classic "boom or bust" type of guy. Like I said, I keep up w/ the ACC & SEC guys down here in Florida so I don't know enough to pass judgement on the guy. Do you really want to take that risk in the 1st round w/ Mercilus? If he's projected to go somewhere in the 15-23 overall range, then that makes him a bargain for the Giants, right? Check out this article Rob Rang wrote up on Mercilus. http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/s...t-firstrounder
              [/quote] Welp, i think the combine showed that Mercilus is pretty athletic, just as i said.. Also, as i was saying for months, hes gonna be a riser come draft time, and i think this combine performance gurantees him a top 20-25 pick, and possibly a bit earlier.. I knew he wasen't gonna be going in RD 2 or wherever some of these sites had him going a month ago...







              Whitney Mercilus, DE/OLB, Illinois
              Whitney Mercilus showed off his athleticism in Indianapolis. He ran a 4.63 with a 1.56 10-yard split and also notched a 32-inch vertical. He really impressed in the drills, solidifying his top-25 status.

              [/quote]Umm, I remember this post from like early January, you must be trying to prove something, I'm confused. What's the point of this post?

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              • Re: A look at the 2012 NFL draft

                [quote user="heavyhitter"][quote user="nycsportzfan"][quote user="heavyhitter"][quote user="nycsportzfan"][quote user="heavyhitter"][quote user="nycsportzfan"]*Heres a little Scouting Report from* Walt football on mercilus ** I only put it on here because of the player comparison of JPP * I agree with Walt about Whitney being pretty athletic. Even if u don't think hes that athletic ** u gotta love Whitney as a prospect






                [*]Whitney Mercilus, 6-4/265


                [*]Defensive End

                [*]Illinois



                Whitney Mercilus Scouting Report
                By Charlie Campbell


                Strengths: [*]Raw speed to turn the edge [*]Agility to sink his hips/shoulder [*]Strength [*]Repertoire of moves [*]Active hands [*]Has the strength to anchor and hold his ground vs. the run [*]Always looking to force fumbles [*]Quick get off [*]Shedding blocks when pass rushing [*]Ability to bull rush heavy tackles and guards [*]Extremely athletic





                Weaknesses: [*]One-year wonder [*]Lacks complete body of work in college [*]Quality of tackles he faced

                Summary: Whitney Mercilus was the most productive pass-rusher in college football in 2011. He led the nation in sacks (16) and forced fumbles (9). It was a record-setting season as Mercilus topped Simeon Rice's school record for sacks in a year. Like Rice, Mercilus is a fabulous athlete. He has a special combination of size, speed and strength to go along with excellent technique. Mercilus also recorded 57 tackles and 22.5 tackles for a loss.

                Entering the NFL, Mercilus is an advanced pass-rusher. He got the better of the best tackles he faced this season. Against Ohio State's Mike Adams, Mercilus recorded 1.5 sacks with a forced fumble. The Wisconsin Badgers' powerful offensive line couldn't contain Mercilus. He bull rushed through massive right tackle Josh Oglesby to get a sack-fumble on Russell Wilson. Mercilus also knocked out left tackle Ricky Wagner for part of the game.

                Mercilus has a very impressive repertoire of pass rushing moves. He attacks with speed around the edge. As a counter to the speed, he has the strength to execute rip moves and shed offensive linemen. Mercilus has the raw power to get under offensive linemen's pads and bull rush into the pocket. That catches linemen by surprise as they are so cognizant of being ready for his speed rush. Beyond his great physical skill set, Mercilus is an advanced pass-rusher technically.

                Mercilus holds up well in run defense. Linemen don't push him around, as he is strong at the point of attack. He also will burst into the backfield to disrupt running plays.

                The big question regarding Mercilus is why didn't break into the lineup sooner and why didn't he produce more earlier. In 2009 and 2010, Mercilus combined to record 24 tackles with two sacks and 6.5 tackles for a loss.




                Player Comparison: Jason Pierre-Paul. There are a lot of similarities between Mercilus and JPP. Both are fantastic athletes who come to the NFL with a special combination of speed and strength. They also were one-year wonders at the college level. Mercilus had more production than JPP in their final college season, and the latter has turned into one of the best pass-rushers in the NFL.

                Right now, it looks like Mercilus should get drafted in the same range as JPP. However, it is possible that Mercilus will be this year's Aldon Smith and surprise some by cracking the top 10. It is not out of the question for him to pass North Carolina's Quinton Coples in the lead up to the 2012 NFL Draft. JPP did that with Derrick Morgan in 2010. Projecting Mercilus to the pros, I see a player similar to Pierre-Paul.

                NFL Matches: Jacksonville, Chicago, San Diego, New York Jets, Buffalo, Cleveland, Detroit

                What team couldn't use another pass-rusher? Mercilus has the athletic ability to be a stand-up edge-rusher in 3-4 defenses, and that opens him up to consideration from a lot of teams. He looks like a natural right defensive end in a 4-3 defense who will challenge left tackles.

                The Jaguars will have the first crack at Mercilus, and they need an edge rusher. Buffalo, San Diego and the Jets are all 3-4 defenses that need to find a player who can put heat on the quarterback. If Mercilus gets past all of those teams, he could end up in Chicago. They need some young talent for their defense. It would be a significant fall for Mercilus to get to the Browns' second first-round selection, but they could use an end to complete their young front four. The Lions almost took a defensive end last year, and if they don't re-sign Cliff Avril, they might consider trading up to land Mercilus.



                [/quote]Who is Charlie Campbell? Not a knock on Mercilus, but to compare him to JPP is just ridiculous.
                [/quote] Why is it ridiculous? Hes not saying hes gonna be JPP** but hes saying he is a good comparison of where Whitney could be if everything works out***** Hes also comparing him to JPP* because like JPP***** Whitney is a one yr wonder who came outta nowhere and will likely fly up draft boards as the draft approaches**** Hes* a sensational prospect and don't fall for Whitney being what hes talked about now** because trust me*** when the draft is here* Whitney will be going in the pick 15-23ish of the 1st round
                [/quote]IDK Sportzfan, I haven't watched enough on him so I really can't speak but just by reading all different kinds of scouting reports he seems like a classic "boom or bust" type of guy. Like I said, I keep up w/ the ACC & SEC guys down here in Florida so I don't know enough to pass judgement on the guy.* Do you really want to take that risk in the 1st round w/ Mercilus? If he's projected to go somewhere in the 15-23 overall range, then that makes him a bargain for the Giants, right? Check out this article Rob Rang wrote up on Mercilus. http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/s...t-firstrounder
                [/quote]** Welp, i think the combine showed that Mercilus is pretty athletic, just as i said.. Also, as i was saying for months, hes gonna be a riser come draft time, and i think this combine performance gurantees him a* top 20-25 pick, and possibly a bit earlier.. I knew he wasen't gonna be going in RD 2 or wherever some of these sites had him going a month ago...




                *




                Whitney Mercilus, DE/OLB, Illinois
                Whitney Mercilus showed off his athleticism in Indianapolis. He ran a 4.63 with a 1.56 10-yard split and also notched a 32-inch vertical. He really impressed in the drills, solidifying his top-25 status.

                [/quote]Umm, I remember this post from like early January, you must be trying to prove something, I'm confused. What's the point of this post?
                [/quote] Yeah I never said he wasnt a First Rounder, I think his value is on the borderline of the first /2nd round. All I said is his game doesnt remind me of JPP or Aldon Smith. Always thought he was a good player.I dont remember anyone saying he wasnt.

                Just so U know though Sportzfan the Draft advisory board gave him a 3rd round grade.

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                  [quote user="Redeyejedi"][quote user="heavyhitter"][quote user="nycsportzfan"][quote user="heavyhitter"][quote user="nycsportzfan"][quote user="heavyhitter"][quote user="nycsportzfan"]Heres a little Scouting Report from Walt football on mercilus I only put it on here because of the player comparison of JPP I agree with Walt about Whitney being pretty athletic. Even if u don't think hes that athletic u gotta love Whitney as a prospect






                  [*]Whitney Mercilus, 6-4/265


                  [*]Defensive End

                  [*]Illinois



                  Whitney Mercilus Scouting Report
                  By Charlie Campbell


                  Strengths: [*]Raw speed to turn the edge [*]Agility to sink his hips/shoulder [*]Strength [*]Repertoire of moves [*]Active hands [*]Has the strength to anchor and hold his ground vs. the run [*]Always looking to force fumbles [*]Quick get off [*]Shedding blocks when pass rushing [*]Ability to bull rush heavy tackles and guards [*]Extremely athletic





                  Weaknesses: [*]One-year wonder [*]Lacks complete body of work in college [*]Quality of tackles he faced

                  Summary: Whitney Mercilus was the most productive pass-rusher in college football in 2011. He led the nation in sacks (16) and forced fumbles (9). It was a record-setting season as Mercilus topped Simeon Rice's school record for sacks in a year. Like Rice, Mercilus is a fabulous athlete. He has a special combination of size, speed and strength to go along with excellent technique. Mercilus also recorded 57 tackles and 22.5 tackles for a loss.

                  Entering the NFL, Mercilus is an advanced pass-rusher. He got the better of the best tackles he faced this season. Against Ohio State's Mike Adams, Mercilus recorded 1.5 sacks with a forced fumble. The Wisconsin Badgers' powerful offensive line couldn't contain Mercilus. He bull rushed through massive right tackle Josh Oglesby to get a sack-fumble on Russell Wilson. Mercilus also knocked out left tackle Ricky Wagner for part of the game.

                  Mercilus has a very impressive repertoire of pass rushing moves. He attacks with speed around the edge. As a counter to the speed, he has the strength to execute rip moves and shed offensive linemen. Mercilus has the raw power to get under offensive linemen's pads and bull rush into the pocket. That catches linemen by surprise as they are so cognizant of being ready for his speed rush. Beyond his great physical skill set, Mercilus is an advanced pass-rusher technically.

                  Mercilus holds up well in run defense. Linemen don't push him around, as he is strong at the point of attack. He also will burst into the backfield to disrupt running plays.

                  The big question regarding Mercilus is why didn't break into the lineup sooner and why didn't he produce more earlier. In 2009 and 2010, Mercilus combined to record 24 tackles with two sacks and 6.5 tackles for a loss.




                  Player Comparison: Jason Pierre-Paul. There are a lot of similarities between Mercilus and JPP. Both are fantastic athletes who come to the NFL with a special combination of speed and strength. They also were one-year wonders at the college level. Mercilus had more production than JPP in their final college season, and the latter has turned into one of the best pass-rushers in the NFL.

                  Right now, it looks like Mercilus should get drafted in the same range as JPP. However, it is possible that Mercilus will be this year's Aldon Smith and surprise some by cracking the top 10. It is not out of the question for him to pass North Carolina's Quinton Coples in the lead up to the 2012 NFL Draft. JPP did that with Derrick Morgan in 2010. Projecting Mercilus to the pros, I see a player similar to Pierre-Paul.

                  NFL Matches: Jacksonville, Chicago, San Diego, New York Jets, Buffalo, Cleveland, Detroit

                  What team couldn't use another pass-rusher? Mercilus has the athletic ability to be a stand-up edge-rusher in 3-4 defenses, and that opens him up to consideration from a lot of teams. He looks like a natural right defensive end in a 4-3 defense who will challenge left tackles.

                  The Jaguars will have the first crack at Mercilus, and they need an edge rusher. Buffalo, San Diego and the Jets are all 3-4 defenses that need to find a player who can put heat on the quarterback. If Mercilus gets past all of those teams, he could end up in Chicago. They need some young talent for their defense. It would be a significant fall for Mercilus to get to the Browns' second first-round selection, but they could use an end to complete their young front four. The Lions almost took a defensive end last year, and if they don't re-sign Cliff Avril, they might consider trading up to land Mercilus.



                  [/quote]Who is Charlie Campbell? Not a knock on Mercilus, but to compare him to JPP is just ridiculous.
                  [/quote] Why is it ridiculous? Hes not saying hes gonna be JPP but hes saying he is a good comparison of where Whitney could be if everything works out Hes also comparing him to JPP because like JPP Whitney is a one yr wonder who came outta nowhere and will likely fly up draft boards as the draft approaches Hes a sensational prospect and don't fall for Whitney being what hes talked about now because trust me when the draft is here Whitney will be going in the pick 15-23ish of the 1st round
                  [/quote]IDK Sportzfan, I haven't watched enough on him so I really can't speak but just by reading all different kinds of scouting reports he seems like a classic "boom or bust" type of guy. Like I said, I keep up w/ the ACC & SEC guys down here in Florida so I don't know enough to pass judgement on the guy. Do you really want to take that risk in the 1st round w/ Mercilus? If he's projected to go somewhere in the 15-23 overall range, then that makes him a bargain for the Giants, right? Check out this article Rob Rang wrote up on Mercilus. http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/s...t-firstrounder
                  [/quote] Welp, i think the combine showed that Mercilus is pretty athletic, just as i said.. Also, as i was saying for months, hes gonna be a riser come draft time, and i think this combine performance gurantees him a top 20-25 pick, and possibly a bit earlier.. I knew he wasen't gonna be going in RD 2 or wherever some of these sites had him going a month ago...







                  Whitney Mercilus, DE/OLB, Illinois
                  Whitney Mercilus showed off his athleticism in Indianapolis. He ran a 4.63 with a 1.56 10-yard split and also notched a 32-inch vertical. He really impressed in the drills, solidifying his top-25 status.

                  [/quote]Umm, I remember this post from like early January, you must be trying to prove something, I'm confused. What's the point of this post?
                  [/quote] Yeah I never said he wasnt a First Rounder, I think his value is on the borderline of the first /2nd round. All I said is his game doesnt remind me of JPP or Aldon Smith. Always thought he was a good player.I dont remember anyone saying he wasnt.

                  Just so U know though Sportzfan the Draft advisory board gave him a 3rd round grade.
                  [/quote]Well said, he went back to early January to dig this post up and for what? If he was trying to call me out or make me look like as a**, he obviously failed. Looks like you shot yourself in your own foot pal.

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                  • Re: A look at the 2012 NFL draft

                    [quote user="BlueSanta"][quote user="heavyhitter"]Thoughts on LB Nigel Bradham and where he will be drafted?
                    [/quote]
                    He has flashes of great play. A very streaky player. His coaches rave about his leadership and the FSU defense did suffer a lot when he was out for a bit earlier this year.

                    However, I have to wait till the combine with this kid to let team docs get a look at him. There is a rumor that he has an interesting medical condition. It may only be a rumor and it is correctable if it is true but it would hurt his draft stock a good bit.
                    [/quote]Meant to ask you about this, what was the so called rumor w/ Bradham that you're talking about?

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                    • Re: A look at the 2012 NFL draft

                      [quote user="heavyhitter"][quote user="Redeyejedi"][quote user="heavyhitter"][quote user="nycsportzfan"][quote user="heavyhitter"][quote user="nycsportzfan"][quote user="heavyhitter"][quote user="nycsportzfan"]Heres a little Scouting Report from Walt football on mercilus I only put it on here because of the player comparison of JPP I agree with Walt about Whitney being pretty athletic. Even if u don't think hes that athletic u gotta love Whitney as a prospect







                    • Whitney Mercilus, 6-4/265


                    • Defensive End


                    • Illinois



                    • Whitney Mercilus Scouting Report
                      By Charlie Campbell


                      Strengths:
                    • Raw speed to turn the edge
                    • Agility to sink his hips/shoulder
                    • Strength
                    • Repertoire of moves
                    • Active hands
                    • Has the strength to anchor and hold his ground vs. the run
                    • Always looking to force fumbles
                    • Quick get off
                    • Shedding blocks when pass rushing
                    • Ability to bull rush heavy tackles and guards
                    • Extremely athletic





                      Weaknesses:
                    • One-year wonder
                    • Lacks complete body of work in college
                    • Quality of tackles he faced

                      Summary: Whitney Mercilus was the most productive pass-rusher in college football in 2011. He led the nation in sacks (16) and forced fumbles (9). It was a record-setting season as Mercilus topped Simeon Rice's school record for sacks in a year. Like Rice, Mercilus is a fabulous athlete. He has a special combination of size, speed and strength to go along with excellent technique. Mercilus also recorded 57 tackles and 22.5 tackles for a loss.

                      Entering the NFL, Mercilus is an advanced pass-rusher. He got the better of the best tackles he faced this season. Against Ohio State's Mike Adams, Mercilus recorded 1.5 sacks with a forced fumble. The Wisconsin Badgers' powerful offensive line couldn't contain Mercilus. He bull rushed through massive right tackle Josh Oglesby to get a sack-fumble on Russell Wilson. Mercilus also knocked out left tackle Ricky Wagner for part of the game.

                      Mercilus has a very impressive repertoire of pass rushing moves. He attacks with speed around the edge. As a counter to the speed, he has the strength to execute rip moves and shed offensive linemen. Mercilus has the raw power to get under offensive linemen's pads and bull rush into the pocket. That catches linemen by surprise as they are so cognizant of being ready for his speed rush. Beyond his great physical skill set, Mercilus is an advanced pass-rusher technically.

                      Mercilus holds up well in run defense. Linemen don't push him around, as he is strong at the point of attack. He also will burst into the backfield to disrupt running plays.

                      The big question regarding Mercilus is why didn't break into the lineup sooner and why didn't he produce more earlier. In 2009 and 2010, Mercilus combined to record 24 tackles with two sacks and 6.5 tackles for a loss.




                      Player Comparison: Jason Pierre-Paul. There are a lot of similarities between Mercilus and JPP. Both are fantastic athletes who come to the NFL with a special combination of speed and strength. They also were one-year wonders at the college level. Mercilus had more production than JPP in their final college season, and the latter has turned into one of the best pass-rushers in the NFL.

                      Right now, it looks like Mercilus should get drafted in the same range as JPP. However, it is possible that Mercilus will be this year's Aldon Smith and surprise some by cracking the top 10. It is not out of the question for him to pass North Carolina's Quinton Coples in the lead up to the 2012 NFL Draft. JPP did that with Derrick Morgan in 2010. Projecting Mercilus to the pros, I see a player similar to Pierre-Paul.

                      NFL Matches: Jacksonville, Chicago, San Diego, New York Jets, Buffalo, Cleveland, Detroit

                      What team couldn't use another pass-rusher? Mercilus has the athletic ability to be a stand-up edge-rusher in 3-4 defenses, and that opens him up to consideration from a lot of teams. He looks like a natural right defensive end in a 4-3 defense who will challenge left tackles.

                      The Jaguars will have the first crack at Mercilus, and they need an edge rusher. Buffalo, San Diego and the Jets are all 3-4 defenses that need to find a player who can put heat on the quarterback. If Mercilus gets past all of those teams, he could end up in Chicago. They need some young talent for their defense. It would be a significant fall for Mercilus to get to the Browns' second first-round selection, but they could use an end to complete their young front four. The Lions almost took a defensive end last year, and if they don't re-sign Cliff Avril, they might consider trading up to land Mercilus.



                    • [/quote]Who is Charlie Campbell? Not a knock on Mercilus, but to compare him to JPP is just ridiculous.
                      [/quote] Why is it ridiculous? Hes not saying hes gonna be JPP but hes saying he is a good comparison of where Whitney could be if everything works out Hes also comparing him to JPP because like JPP Whitney is a one yr wonder who came outta nowhere and will likely fly up draft boards as the draft approaches Hes a sensational prospect and don't fall for Whitney being what hes talked about now because trust me when the draft is here Whitney will be going in the pick 15-23ish of the 1st round
                      [/quote]IDK Sportzfan, I haven't watched enough on him so I really can't speak but just by reading all different kinds of scouting reports he seems like a classic "boom or bust" type of guy. Like I said, I keep up w/ the ACC & SEC guys down here in Florida so I don't know enough to pass judgement on the guy. Do you really want to take that risk in the 1st round w/ Mercilus? If he's projected to go somewhere in the 15-23 overall range, then that makes him a bargain for the Giants, right? Check out this article Rob Rang wrote up on Mercilus. http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/s...t-firstrounder
                      [/quote] Welp, i think the combine showed that Mercilus is pretty athletic, just as i said.. Also, as i was saying for months, hes gonna be a riser come draft time, and i think this combine performance gurantees him a top 20-25 pick, and possibly a bit earlier.. I knew he wasen't gonna be going in RD 2 or wherever some of these sites had him going a month ago...







                      Whitney Mercilus, DE/OLB, Illinois
                      Whitney Mercilus showed off his athleticism in Indianapolis. He ran a 4.63 with a 1.56 10-yard split and also notched a 32-inch vertical. He really impressed in the drills, solidifying his top-25 status.




                      [/quote]Umm, I remember this post from like early January, you must be trying to prove something, I'm confused. What's the point of this post?
                      [/quote] Yeah I never said he wasnt a First Rounder, I think his value is on the borderline of the first /2nd round. All I said is his game doesnt remind me of JPP or Aldon Smith. Always thought he was a good player.I dont remember anyone saying he wasnt. Just so U know though Sportzfan the Draft advisory board gave him a 3rd round grade.[/quote]Well said, he went back to early January to dig this post up and for what? If he was trying to call me out or make me look like as a**, he obviously failed. Looks like you shot yourself in your own foot pal.

                      [/quote]Trust me, u don't need me to make yourself look like a ***, u do a good enough job of that on your own.. I brought this post up, because I was apart of it, not u.. I'll bring up any post i want, and if i could, i'd bring up posts from 2yrs ago as well.. I've been a avid contributor to the draft boards on here for yrs now, contributing as much, and if not more then anyone, so i'll do as i feel, thank u very much..




                      I brought this paticular post up because Whitney showcased himself at the combine, looking very good in the drills, and very fluid, as well as clocking a very nice 40 and 10yrd split, a second faster then Shea McClellins... I was saying for 2months now, that the guy was gonna be a riser the closer the draft gets, when the so called "draft advisory" adn many others were to blind to see it and had him going mid 2nd to late 2nd, and some 3rd rd...And i also said, hes pretty athletic, and it seemed most who thought he was not, and was just a "high motor" type DE, who also displayed good strength.. The bottom line is hes a All around DE who i thought would show off at the combine, and solitify himself as a 1st rder, and hes done just that.. That is why i brought this post up.. It had nothing to do with you, except that u happened to respond.. So get over yourself...


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                    • Re: A look at the 2012 NFL draft

                      [quote user="Redeyejedi"][quote user="heavyhitter"][quote user="nycsportzfan"][quote user="heavyhitter"][quote user="nycsportzfan"][quote user="heavyhitter"][quote user="nycsportzfan"]Heres a little Scouting Report from Walt football on mercilus I only put it on here because of the player comparison of JPP I agree with Walt about Whitney being pretty athletic. Even if u don't think hes that athletic u gotta love Whitney as a prospect







                    • Whitney Mercilus, 6-4/265


                    • Defensive End


                    • Illinois



                    • Whitney Mercilus Scouting Report
                      By Charlie Campbell


                      Strengths:
                    • Raw speed to turn the edge
                    • Agility to sink his hips/shoulder
                    • Strength
                    • Repertoire of moves
                    • Active hands
                    • Has the strength to anchor and hold his ground vs. the run
                    • Always looking to force fumbles
                    • Quick get off
                    • Shedding blocks when pass rushing
                    • Ability to bull rush heavy tackles and guards
                    • Extremely athletic





                      Weaknesses:
                    • One-year wonder
                    • Lacks complete body of work in college
                    • Quality of tackles he faced

                      Summary: Whitney Mercilus was the most productive pass-rusher in college football in 2011. He led the nation in sacks (16) and forced fumbles (9). It was a record-setting season as Mercilus topped Simeon Rice's school record for sacks in a year. Like Rice, Mercilus is a fabulous athlete. He has a special combination of size, speed and strength to go along with excellent technique. Mercilus also recorded 57 tackles and 22.5 tackles for a loss.

                      Entering the NFL, Mercilus is an advanced pass-rusher. He got the better of the best tackles he faced this season. Against Ohio State's Mike Adams, Mercilus recorded 1.5 sacks with a forced fumble. The Wisconsin Badgers' powerful offensive line couldn't contain Mercilus. He bull rushed through massive right tackle Josh Oglesby to get a sack-fumble on Russell Wilson. Mercilus also knocked out left tackle Ricky Wagner for part of the game.

                      Mercilus has a very impressive repertoire of pass rushing moves. He attacks with speed around the edge. As a counter to the speed, he has the strength to execute rip moves and shed offensive linemen. Mercilus has the raw power to get under offensive linemen's pads and bull rush into the pocket. That catches linemen by surprise as they are so cognizant of being ready for his speed rush. Beyond his great physical skill set, Mercilus is an advanced pass-rusher technically.

                      Mercilus holds up well in run defense. Linemen don't push him around, as he is strong at the point of attack. He also will burst into the backfield to disrupt running plays.

                      The big question regarding Mercilus is why didn't break into the lineup sooner and why didn't he produce more earlier. In 2009 and 2010, Mercilus combined to record 24 tackles with two sacks and 6.5 tackles for a loss.




                      Player Comparison: Jason Pierre-Paul. There are a lot of similarities between Mercilus and JPP. Both are fantastic athletes who come to the NFL with a special combination of speed and strength. They also were one-year wonders at the college level. Mercilus had more production than JPP in their final college season, and the latter has turned into one of the best pass-rushers in the NFL.

                      Right now, it looks like Mercilus should get drafted in the same range as JPP. However, it is possible that Mercilus will be this year's Aldon Smith and surprise some by cracking the top 10. It is not out of the question for him to pass North Carolina's Quinton Coples in the lead up to the 2012 NFL Draft. JPP did that with Derrick Morgan in 2010. Projecting Mercilus to the pros, I see a player similar to Pierre-Paul.

                      NFL Matches: Jacksonville, Chicago, San Diego, New York Jets, Buffalo, Cleveland, Detroit

                      What team couldn't use another pass-rusher? Mercilus has the athletic ability to be a stand-up edge-rusher in 3-4 defenses, and that opens him up to consideration from a lot of teams. He looks like a natural right defensive end in a 4-3 defense who will challenge left tackles.

                      The Jaguars will have the first crack at Mercilus, and they need an edge rusher. Buffalo, San Diego and the Jets are all 3-4 defenses that need to find a player who can put heat on the quarterback. If Mercilus gets past all of those teams, he could end up in Chicago. They need some young talent for their defense. It would be a significant fall for Mercilus to get to the Browns' second first-round selection, but they could use an end to complete their young front four. The Lions almost took a defensive end last year, and if they don't re-sign Cliff Avril, they might consider trading up to land Mercilus.



                    • [/quote]Who is Charlie Campbell? Not a knock on Mercilus, but to compare him to JPP is just ridiculous.
                      [/quote] Why is it ridiculous? Hes not saying hes gonna be JPP but hes saying he is a good comparison of where Whitney could be if everything works out Hes also comparing him to JPP because like JPP Whitney is a one yr wonder who came outta nowhere and will likely fly up draft boards as the draft approaches Hes a sensational prospect and don't fall for Whitney being what hes talked about now because trust me when the draft is here Whitney will be going in the pick 15-23ish of the 1st round
                      [/quote]IDK Sportzfan, I haven't watched enough on him so I really can't speak but just by reading all different kinds of scouting reports he seems like a classic "boom or bust" type of guy. Like I said, I keep up w/ the ACC & SEC guys down here in Florida so I don't know enough to pass judgement on the guy. Do you really want to take that risk in the 1st round w/ Mercilus? If he's projected to go somewhere in the 15-23 overall range, then that makes him a bargain for the Giants, right? Check out this article Rob Rang wrote up on Mercilus. http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/s...t-firstrounder
                      [/quote] Welp, i think the combine showed that Mercilus is pretty athletic, just as i said.. Also, as i was saying for months, hes gonna be a riser come draft time, and i think this combine performance gurantees him a top 20-25 pick, and possibly a bit earlier.. I knew he wasen't gonna be going in RD 2 or wherever some of these sites had him going a month ago...







                      Whitney Mercilus, DE/OLB, Illinois
                      Whitney Mercilus showed off his athleticism in Indianapolis. He ran a 4.63 with a 1.56 10-yard split and also notched a 32-inch vertical. He really impressed in the drills, solidifying his top-25 status.




                      [/quote]Umm, I remember this post from like early January, you must be trying to prove something, I'm confused. What's the point of this post?
                      [/quote] Yeah I never said he wasnt a First Rounder, I think his value is on the borderline of the first /2nd round. All I said is his game doesnt remind me of JPP or Aldon Smith. Always thought he was a good player.I dont remember anyone saying he wasnt. Just so U know though Sportzfan the Draft advisory board gave him a 3rd round grade.[/quote] I never said u didn't like em, did i? I actually never said anything about anyone in paticular on this board, it was more of a consensus that i got from around the draft world, and the Draft Advisory is even more so why i re-posted the scouting report, becuase of how way out in LF they were, and usually are.. Should i say, Good Work to them or something for being so wrong? I just don't see the draft advisorys grade, and go "oh, thats where hes going"..lol I thought he was gonna be a sure fire riser by watching him play, especially against UCLA and the games u put up, and could clear as day see his non stop motor mixed with alot of athletic ability and a ability to create turnovers, and on top of that, he came out of nowhere, and the first guy i thought of was JPP.. Sure, JPP is a animal, and whitney has proven nothing yet, but hes obviously got similarities , and were just talking about comparisons at the same point in there careers, and WHitney and JPP have alot, when comparing where whitney is now, and where JPP was at the same time..




                      No one said he wasen't a good player, but they debated that he wasen't athletic, and that he wasen't a clear cut 1st rder, and some had em as a 2nd rder... I went against the grain, and stepped out on a limb and called em a clear cut 1st rder, who in a dream scenario would fall to us in RD 1, but pretty much knew that was not gonna happen, and i'll gurantee it dosen't...


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                    • Re: A look at the 2012 NFL draft

                      [quote user="Redeyejedi"][quote user="heavyhitter"][quote user="nycsportzfan"][quote user="heavyhitter"][quote user="nycsportzfan"][quote user="heavyhitter"][quote user="nycsportzfan"]Heres a little Scouting Report from Walt football on mercilus I only put it on here because of the player comparison of JPP I agree with Walt about Whitney being pretty athletic. Even if u don't think hes that athletic u gotta love Whitney as a prospect







                    • Whitney Mercilus, 6-4/265


                    • Defensive End


                    • Illinois



                    • Whitney Mercilus Scouting Report
                      By Charlie Campbell


                      Strengths:
                    • Raw speed to turn the edge
                    • Agility to sink his hips/shoulder
                    • Strength
                    • Repertoire of moves
                    • Active hands
                    • Has the strength to anchor and hold his ground vs. the run
                    • Always looking to force fumbles
                    • Quick get off
                    • Shedding blocks when pass rushing
                    • Ability to bull rush heavy tackles and guards
                    • Extremely athletic





                      Weaknesses:
                    • One-year wonder
                    • Lacks complete body of work in college
                    • Quality of tackles he faced

                      Summary: Whitney Mercilus was the most productive pass-rusher in college football in 2011. He led the nation in sacks (16) and forced fumbles (9). It was a record-setting season as Mercilus topped Simeon Rice's school record for sacks in a year. Like Rice, Mercilus is a fabulous athlete. He has a special combination of size, speed and strength to go along with excellent technique. Mercilus also recorded 57 tackles and 22.5 tackles for a loss.

                      Entering the NFL, Mercilus is an advanced pass-rusher. He got the better of the best tackles he faced this season. Against Ohio State's Mike Adams, Mercilus recorded 1.5 sacks with a forced fumble. The Wisconsin Badgers' powerful offensive line couldn't contain Mercilus. He bull rushed through massive right tackle Josh Oglesby to get a sack-fumble on Russell Wilson. Mercilus also knocked out left tackle Ricky Wagner for part of the game.

                      Mercilus has a very impressive repertoire of pass rushing moves. He attacks with speed around the edge. As a counter to the speed, he has the strength to execute rip moves and shed offensive linemen. Mercilus has the raw power to get under offensive linemen's pads and bull rush into the pocket. That catches linemen by surprise as they are so cognizant of being ready for his speed rush. Beyond his great physical skill set, Mercilus is an advanced pass-rusher technically.

                      Mercilus holds up well in run defense. Linemen don't push him around, as he is strong at the point of attack. He also will burst into the backfield to disrupt running plays.

                      The big question regarding Mercilus is why didn't break into the lineup sooner and why didn't he produce more earlier. In 2009 and 2010, Mercilus combined to record 24 tackles with two sacks and 6.5 tackles for a loss.




                      Player Comparison: Jason Pierre-Paul. There are a lot of similarities between Mercilus and JPP. Both are fantastic athletes who come to the NFL with a special combination of speed and strength. They also were one-year wonders at the college level. Mercilus had more production than JPP in their final college season, and the latter has turned into one of the best pass-rushers in the NFL.

                      Right now, it looks like Mercilus should get drafted in the same range as JPP. However, it is possible that Mercilus will be this year's Aldon Smith and surprise some by cracking the top 10. It is not out of the question for him to pass North Carolina's Quinton Coples in the lead up to the 2012 NFL Draft. JPP did that with Derrick Morgan in 2010. Projecting Mercilus to the pros, I see a player similar to Pierre-Paul.

                      NFL Matches: Jacksonville, Chicago, San Diego, New York Jets, Buffalo, Cleveland, Detroit

                      What team couldn't use another pass-rusher? Mercilus has the athletic ability to be a stand-up edge-rusher in 3-4 defenses, and that opens him up to consideration from a lot of teams. He looks like a natural right defensive end in a 4-3 defense who will challenge left tackles.

                      The Jaguars will have the first crack at Mercilus, and they need an edge rusher. Buffalo, San Diego and the Jets are all 3-4 defenses that need to find a player who can put heat on the quarterback. If Mercilus gets past all of those teams, he could end up in Chicago. They need some young talent for their defense. It would be a significant fall for Mercilus to get to the Browns' second first-round selection, but they could use an end to complete their young front four. The Lions almost took a defensive end last year, and if they don't re-sign Cliff Avril, they might consider trading up to land Mercilus.



                    • [/quote]Who is Charlie Campbell? Not a knock on Mercilus, but to compare him to JPP is just ridiculous.
                      [/quote] Why is it ridiculous? Hes not saying hes gonna be JPP but hes saying he is a good comparison of where Whitney could be if everything works out Hes also comparing him to JPP because like JPP Whitney is a one yr wonder who came outta nowhere and will likely fly up draft boards as the draft approaches Hes a sensational prospect and don't fall for Whitney being what hes talked about now because trust me when the draft is here Whitney will be going in the pick 15-23ish of the 1st round
                      [/quote]IDK Sportzfan, I haven't watched enough on him so I really can't speak but just by reading all different kinds of scouting reports he seems like a classic "boom or bust" type of guy. Like I said, I keep up w/ the ACC & SEC guys down here in Florida so I don't know enough to pass judgement on the guy. Do you really want to take that risk in the 1st round w/ Mercilus? If he's projected to go somewhere in the 15-23 overall range, then that makes him a bargain for the Giants, right? Check out this article Rob Rang wrote up on Mercilus. http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/s...t-firstrounder
                      [/quote] Welp, i think the combine showed that Mercilus is pretty athletic, just as i said.. Also, as i was saying for months, hes gonna be a riser come draft time, and i think this combine performance gurantees him a top 20-25 pick, and possibly a bit earlier.. I knew he wasen't gonna be going in RD 2 or wherever some of these sites had him going a month ago...







                      Whitney Mercilus, DE/OLB, Illinois
                      Whitney Mercilus showed off his athleticism in Indianapolis. He ran a 4.63 with a 1.56 10-yard split and also notched a 32-inch vertical. He really impressed in the drills, solidifying his top-25 status.




                      [/quote]Umm, I remember this post from like early January, you must be trying to prove something, I'm confused. What's the point of this post?
                      [/quote] Yeah I never said he wasnt a First Rounder, I think his value is on the borderline of the first /2nd round. All I said is his game doesnt remind me of JPP or Aldon Smith. Always thought he was a good player.I dont remember anyone saying he wasnt. Just so U know though Sportzfan the Draft advisory board gave him a 3rd round grade.[/quote] I never said u didn't like em, did i? I actually never said anything about anyone in paticular on this board, it was more of a consensus that i got from around the draft world, and the Draft Advisory is even more so why i re-posted the scouting report, becuase of how way out in LF they were, and usually are.. Should i say, Good Work to them or something for being so wrong? I just don't see the draft advisorys grade, and go "oh, thats where hes going"..lol I thought he was gonna be a sure fire riser by watching him play, especially against UCLA and the games u put up, and could clear as day see his non stop motor mixed with alot of athletic ability and a ability to create turnovers, and on top of that, he came out of nowhere, and the first guy i thought of was JPP.. Sure, JPP is a animal, and whitney has proven nothing yet, but hes obviously got similarities , and were just talking about comparisons at the same point in there careers, and WHitney and JPP have alot, when comparing where whitney is now, and where JPP was at the same time..




                      No one said he wasen't a good player, but they debated that he wasen't athletic, and that he wasen't a clear cut 1st rder, and some had em as a 2nd rder... I went against the grain, and stepped out on a limb and called em a clear cut 1st rder, who in a dream scenario would fall to us in RD 1, but pretty much knew that was not gonna happen, and i'll gurantee it dosen't...


                      Comment


                    • Re: A look at the 2012 NFL draft

                      [quote user="heavyhitter"][quote user="nycsportzfan"][quote user="heavyhitter"][quote user="nycsportzfan"][quote user="heavyhitter"][quote user="nycsportzfan"]Heres a little Scouting Report from Walt football on mercilus I only put it on here because of the player comparison of JPP I agree with Walt about Whitney being pretty athletic. Even if u don't think hes that athletic u gotta love Whitney as a prospect







                    • Whitney Mercilus, 6-4/265


                    • Defensive End


                    • Illinois



                    • Whitney Mercilus Scouting Report
                      By Charlie Campbell


                      Strengths:
                    • Raw speed to turn the edge
                    • Agility to sink his hips/shoulder
                    • Strength
                    • Repertoire of moves
                    • Active hands
                    • Has the strength to anchor and hold his ground vs. the run
                    • Always looking to force fumbles
                    • Quick get off
                    • Shedding blocks when pass rushing
                    • Ability to bull rush heavy tackles and guards
                    • Extremely athletic





                      Weaknesses:
                    • One-year wonder
                    • Lacks complete body of work in college
                    • Quality of tackles he faced

                      Summary: Whitney Mercilus was the most productive pass-rusher in college football in 2011. He led the nation in sacks (16) and forced fumbles (9). It was a record-setting season as Mercilus topped Simeon Rice's school record for sacks in a year. Like Rice, Mercilus is a fabulous athlete. He has a special combination of size, speed and strength to go along with excellent technique. Mercilus also recorded 57 tackles and 22.5 tackles for a loss.

                      Entering the NFL, Mercilus is an advanced pass-rusher. He got the better of the best tackles he faced this season. Against Ohio State's Mike Adams, Mercilus recorded 1.5 sacks with a forced fumble. The Wisconsin Badgers' powerful offensive line couldn't contain Mercilus. He bull rushed through massive right tackle Josh Oglesby to get a sack-fumble on Russell Wilson. Mercilus also knocked out left tackle Ricky Wagner for part of the game.

                      Mercilus has a very impressive repertoire of pass rushing moves. He attacks with speed around the edge. As a counter to the speed, he has the strength to execute rip moves and shed offensive linemen. Mercilus has the raw power to get under offensive linemen's pads and bull rush into the pocket. That catches linemen by surprise as they are so cognizant of being ready for his speed rush. Beyond his great physical skill set, Mercilus is an advanced pass-rusher technically.

                      Mercilus holds up well in run defense. Linemen don't push him around, as he is strong at the point of attack. He also will burst into the backfield to disrupt running plays.

                      The big question regarding Mercilus is why didn't break into the lineup sooner and why didn't he produce more earlier. In 2009 and 2010, Mercilus combined to record 24 tackles with two sacks and 6.5 tackles for a loss.




                      Player Comparison: Jason Pierre-Paul. There are a lot of similarities between Mercilus and JPP. Both are fantastic athletes who come to the NFL with a special combination of speed and strength. They also were one-year wonders at the college level. Mercilus had more production than JPP in their final college season, and the latter has turned into one of the best pass-rushers in the NFL.

                      Right now, it looks like Mercilus should get drafted in the same range as JPP. However, it is possible that Mercilus will be this year's Aldon Smith and surprise some by cracking the top 10. It is not out of the question for him to pass North Carolina's Quinton Coples in the lead up to the 2012 NFL Draft. JPP did that with Derrick Morgan in 2010. Projecting Mercilus to the pros, I see a player similar to Pierre-Paul.

                      NFL Matches: Jacksonville, Chicago, San Diego, New York Jets, Buffalo, Cleveland, Detroit

                      What team couldn't use another pass-rusher? Mercilus has the athletic ability to be a stand-up edge-rusher in 3-4 defenses, and that opens him up to consideration from a lot of teams. He looks like a natural right defensive end in a 4-3 defense who will challenge left tackles.

                      The Jaguars will have the first crack at Mercilus, and they need an edge rusher. Buffalo, San Diego and the Jets are all 3-4 defenses that need to find a player who can put heat on the quarterback. If Mercilus gets past all of those teams, he could end up in Chicago. They need some young talent for their defense. It would be a significant fall for Mercilus to get to the Browns' second first-round selection, but they could use an end to complete their young front four. The Lions almost took a defensive end last year, and if they don't re-sign Cliff Avril, they might consider trading up to land Mercilus.



                    • [/quote]Who is Charlie Campbell? Not a knock on Mercilus, but to compare him to JPP is just ridiculous.
                      [/quote] Why is it ridiculous? Hes not saying hes gonna be JPP but hes saying he is a good comparison of where Whitney could be if everything works out Hes also comparing him to JPP because like JPP Whitney is a one yr wonder who came outta nowhere and will likely fly up draft boards as the draft approaches Hes a sensational prospect and don't fall for Whitney being what hes talked about now because trust me when the draft is here Whitney will be going in the pick 15-23ish of the 1st round
                      [/quote]IDK Sportzfan, I haven't watched enough on him so I really can't speak but just by reading all different kinds of scouting reports he seems like a classic "boom or bust" type of guy. Like I said, I keep up w/ the ACC & SEC guys down here in Florida so I don't know enough to pass judgement on the guy. Do you really want to take that risk in the 1st round w/ Mercilus? If he's projected to go somewhere in the 15-23 overall range, then that makes him a bargain for the Giants, right? Check out this article Rob Rang wrote up on Mercilus. http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/s...t-firstrounder
                      [/quote] Welp, i think the combine showed that Mercilus is pretty athletic, just as i said.. Also, as i was saying for months, hes gonna be a riser come draft time, and i think this combine performance gurantees him a top 20-25 pick, and possibly a bit earlier.. I knew he wasen't gonna be going in RD 2 or wherever some of these sites had him going a month ago...







                      Whitney Mercilus, DE/OLB, Illinois
                      Whitney Mercilus showed off his athleticism in Indianapolis. He ran a 4.63 with a 1.56 10-yard split and also notched a 32-inch vertical. He really impressed in the drills, solidifying his top-25 status.

                      [/quote]Umm, I remember this post from like early January, you must be trying to prove something, I'm confused. What's the point of this post?
                      [/quote] OH ya, and YES, if WHitney is there at pick 31, he'd be a BIG bargain for the giants.. And he'll probably be going between picks 15-23 as i suggested...

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                      Whats the deal with Chase Minnifield? Dude came in at 5ft 10in which is a couple inches shorter then expected, and then lifts only 7 times on the b.press? And on top of that, hes injury prone.. Dude is going to drop a bit, id imagine...







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