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    [quote user="nycsportzfan"]

    *Whats the deal with Chase Minnifield? Dude came in at 5ft 10in which is a couple inches shorter then expected, and then lifts only 7 times on the b.press?* And on top of that, hes injury prone..* Dude is going to drop a bit, id imagine...




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    [/quote]He doesnt look weak during the games. He is a willing tackler.Never see him shy away from contact. I always subtract an 1" when i see listed height . Guys are very rarely what they say. 2" though then the school is purposely trying to deceive and that pisses me off.

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      [quote user="Redeyejedi"][quote user="nycsportzfan"]


      Whats the deal with Chase Minnifield? Dude came in at 5ft 10in which is a couple inches shorter then expected, and then lifts only 7 times on the b.press? And on top of that, hes injury prone.. Dude is going to drop a bit, id imagine...







      [/quote]He doesnt look weak during the games. He is a willing tackler.Never see him shy away from contact. I always subtract an 1" when i see listed height . Guys are very rarely what they say. 2" though then the school is purposely trying to deceive and that pisses me off.[/quote] which again makes u wonder what to take from these combines... I try to just use it as one little tool outta many, but for instance, in Dwayne Allen's case, it didn't matter to me what he did, i all most know hes gonna be good, and that hes got hops, but yet, his vertical at the combine left alot to be desired... Some guys i like to see do well though, guys like Stephen Hill and such, because u just don't have a ton of game reps to go on, in his case, because he didn't get balls thrown his way all the time.. Its tough to decifer what to take from these combines..

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        [quote user="nycsportzfan"][quote user="heavyhitter"][quote user="Redeyejedi"][quote user="nycsportzfan"][quote user="Redeyejedi"][quote user="ELIistheFRANCHISE"][quote user="Redeyejedi"]


        I will put this in the film room thread as wel but just in case U didnt see this




        Doug Martin vs Arizona State 2011 "Las Vegas Bowl"




        [/quote]




        Redeye, whats your thoughts/film on any DE's coming in the draft this year that could fall to the 2nd or 3rd rd. Obviously you cant see the future, but some guys that could be great value in the 2nd/3rd?

        [/quote]Im not really feeling any of these pass rushers to be honest with U.[/quote]Whitney Mercilus looks fantastic! I actually hope we can somehow get him to go with JPP for our future DE tandem. I think Mercilus is the closest thing to JPP since JPP.. I think he rises to far up the draft for us though.. I'm thinking Janoris Jenkins at this point because i expect mercilus, kuechly, richardson and decastro to all be gone by the time we select.. I'm now hoping for Janoris Jenkins, Chase Minnifield, Pete Konz(if he comes out), Dwayne Allen, or Jerel Worthy..[/quote]I havent disagreed with U much this season but I do disagree with U about Mercilus.I dont think he is a bad prospect but I dont see anywhere near the elite level athletic ability JPP possess's .JPP had an insane burst off the line of scrimmage,Mercilus doesnt have that.What is similar about Mercilus and JPP is the motor.Both players play hard dont take plays off and are relentless.I do like that quality about Mercilus. Mercilus isnt so much about elite athleticism but hard work.Mercilus is also pretty well refined as a player.He uses his hands and arms real well. He reminds me more of a Derrick Morgan or Robert Ayers prospect then JPP or Aldon Smith.[/quote]Got to agree w/ Redeye on Whitney Mercilus. Not a bad prospect, but nowhere near the level of JPP. I actually think Nick Perry of USC is a much better defensive end.
        [/quote] Its fine to dissagree Either way Whitney is gonna be a stud and i think u lead the nation in sacks and forced fumbles when your litteraly the focus of offensive lines unless your very athletic Hes fantastic!
        [/quote]

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        • Re: A look at the 2012 NFL draft

          [quote user="Redeyejedi"][quote user="nycsportzfan"][quote user="Redeyejedi"][quote user="ELIistheFRANCHISE"][quote user="Redeyejedi"]


          I will put this in the film room thread as wel but just in case U didnt see this




          Doug Martin vs Arizona State 2011 "Las Vegas Bowl"




          [/quote]




          Redeye, whats your thoughts/film on any DE's coming in the draft this year that could fall to the 2nd or 3rd rd. Obviously you cant see the future, but some guys that could be great value in the 2nd/3rd?

          [/quote]Im not really feeling any of these pass rushers to be honest with U.[/quote]Whitney Mercilus looks fantastic! I actually hope we can somehow get him to go with JPP for our future DE tandem. I think Mercilus is the closest thing to JPP since JPP.. I think he rises to far up the draft for us though.. I'm thinking Janoris Jenkins at this point because i expect mercilus, kuechly, richardson and decastro to all be gone by the time we select.. I'm now hoping for Janoris Jenkins, Chase Minnifield, Pete Konz(if he comes out), Dwayne Allen, or Jerel Worthy..[/quote]I havent disagreed with U much this season but I do disagree with U about Mercilus.I dont think he is a bad prospect but I dont see anywhere near the elite level athletic ability JPP possess's .JPP had an insane burst off the line of scrimmage,Mercilus doesnt have that.What is similar about Mercilus and JPP is the motor.Both players play hard dont take plays off and are relentless.I do like that quality about Mercilus. Mercilus isnt so much about elite athleticism but hard work.Mercilus is also pretty well refined as a player.He uses his hands and arms real well. He reminds me more of a Derrick Morgan or Robert Ayers prospect then JPP or Aldon Smith.[/quote]Well said, Mercilus doesn't remind me of JPP at all.

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          • Re: A look at the 2012 NFL draft

            [quote user="heavyhitter"][quote user="nycsportzfan"][quote user="heavyhitter"][quote user="Redeyejedi"][quote user="nycsportzfan"][quote user="Redeyejedi"][quote user="ELIistheFRANCHISE"][quote user="Redeyejedi"]


            I will put this in the film room thread as wel but just in case U didnt see this




            Doug Martin vs Arizona State 2011 "Las Vegas Bowl"




            [/quote]




            Redeye, whats your thoughts/film on any DE's coming in the draft this year that could fall to the 2nd or 3rd rd. Obviously you cant see the future, but some guys that could be great value in the 2nd/3rd?

            [/quote]Im not really feeling any of these pass rushers to be honest with U.[/quote]Whitney Mercilus looks fantastic! I actually hope we can somehow get him to go with JPP for our future DE tandem. I think Mercilus is the closest thing to JPP since JPP.. I think he rises to far up the draft for us though.. I'm thinking Janoris Jenkins at this point because i expect mercilus, kuechly, richardson and decastro to all be gone by the time we select.. I'm now hoping for Janoris Jenkins, Chase Minnifield, Pete Konz(if he comes out), Dwayne Allen, or Jerel Worthy..[/quote]I havent disagreed with U much this season but I do disagree with U about Mercilus.I dont think he is a bad prospect but I dont see anywhere near the elite level athletic ability JPP possess's .JPP had an insane burst off the line of scrimmage,Mercilus doesnt have that.What is similar about Mercilus and JPP is the motor.Both players play hard dont take plays off and are relentless.I do like that quality about Mercilus. Mercilus isnt so much about elite athleticism but hard work.Mercilus is also pretty well refined as a player.He uses his hands and arms real well. He reminds me more of a Derrick Morgan or Robert Ayers prospect then JPP or Aldon Smith.[/quote]Got to agree w/ Redeye on Whitney Mercilus. Not a bad prospect, but nowhere near the level of JPP. I actually think Nick Perry of USC is a much better defensive end.
            [/quote] Its fine to dissagree Either way Whitney is gonna be a stud and i think u lead the nation in sacks and forced fumbles when your litteraly the focus of offensive lines unless your very athletic Hes fantastic!
            [/quote][/quote] I don't think he said hes nowhere near the level of JPP, but hes nowhere near the level Athletically.. One things for sure, half the people who think no ones near JPP's level, thought JPP was gonna bust and/or take a very long time before he was playing productive ball on a NFL level.. I felt Whitney was very athletic and much more then just a "hustle" player, and i think he showed that at the combine.. But we all are allowed to disagree on what we see with these guys.. I just know i saw a guy who was gonna rise much higher then where he was when people started getting a closer look and paying more attention to him, and he pretty much has done just that.. Hes gone from a fringe 1st rder/2nd rder, to a just about sure fire 1st rder, and more likely top 15-23 pick.. I'd be shocked if TENN passes on him with there pick, unless someone really good drops..

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            • Re: A look at the 2012 NFL draft

              [quote user="heavyhitter"][quote user="nycsportzfan"][quote user="heavyhitter"][quote user="Redeyejedi"][quote user="nycsportzfan"][quote user="Redeyejedi"][quote user="ELIistheFRANCHISE"][quote user="Redeyejedi"]


              I will put this in the film room thread as wel but just in case U didnt see this




              Doug Martin vs Arizona State 2011 "Las Vegas Bowl"




              [/quote]




              Redeye, whats your thoughts/film on any DE's coming in the draft this year that could fall to the 2nd or 3rd rd. Obviously you cant see the future, but some guys that could be great value in the 2nd/3rd?

              [/quote]Im not really feeling any of these pass rushers to be honest with U.[/quote]Whitney Mercilus looks fantastic! I actually hope we can somehow get him to go with JPP for our future DE tandem. I think Mercilus is the closest thing to JPP since JPP.. I think he rises to far up the draft for us though.. I'm thinking Janoris Jenkins at this point because i expect mercilus, kuechly, richardson and decastro to all be gone by the time we select.. I'm now hoping for Janoris Jenkins, Chase Minnifield, Pete Konz(if he comes out), Dwayne Allen, or Jerel Worthy..[/quote]I havent disagreed with U much this season but I do disagree with U about Mercilus.I dont think he is a bad prospect but I dont see anywhere near the elite level athletic ability JPP possess's .JPP had an insane burst off the line of scrimmage,Mercilus doesnt have that.What is similar about Mercilus and JPP is the motor.Both players play hard dont take plays off and are relentless.I do like that quality about Mercilus. Mercilus isnt so much about elite athleticism but hard work.Mercilus is also pretty well refined as a player.He uses his hands and arms real well. He reminds me more of a Derrick Morgan or Robert Ayers prospect then JPP or Aldon Smith.[/quote]Got to agree w/ Redeye on Whitney Mercilus. Not a bad prospect, but nowhere near the level of JPP. I actually think Nick Perry of USC is a much better defensive end.
              [/quote] Its fine to dissagree Either way Whitney is gonna be a stud and i think u lead the nation in sacks and forced fumbles when your litteraly the focus of offensive lines unless your very athletic Hes fantastic!
              [/quote][/quote]I've still got Southern Cal DE Nick Perry rated higher than Mercilus.

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              • Re: A look at the 2012 NFL draft

                [quote user="heavyhitter"][quote user="heavyhitter"][quote user="nycsportzfan"][quote user="heavyhitter"][quote user="Redeyejedi"][quote user="nycsportzfan"][quote user="Redeyejedi"][quote user="ELIistheFRANCHISE"][quote user="Redeyejedi"]


                I will put this in the film room thread as wel but just in case U didnt see this




                Doug Martin vs Arizona State 2011 "Las Vegas Bowl"




                [/quote]




                Redeye, whats your thoughts/film on any DE's coming in the draft this year that could fall to the 2nd or 3rd rd. Obviously you cant see the future, but some guys that could be great value in the 2nd/3rd?

                [/quote]Im not really feeling any of these pass rushers to be honest with U.[/quote]Whitney Mercilus looks fantastic! I actually hope we can somehow get him to go with JPP for our future DE tandem. I think Mercilus is the closest thing to JPP since JPP.. I think he rises to far up the draft for us though.. I'm thinking Janoris Jenkins at this point because i expect mercilus, kuechly, richardson and decastro to all be gone by the time we select.. I'm now hoping for Janoris Jenkins, Chase Minnifield, Pete Konz(if he comes out), Dwayne Allen, or Jerel Worthy..[/quote]I havent disagreed with U much this season but I do disagree with U about Mercilus.I dont think he is a bad prospect but I dont see anywhere near the elite level athletic ability JPP possess's .JPP had an insane burst off the line of scrimmage,Mercilus doesnt have that.What is similar about Mercilus and JPP is the motor.Both players play hard dont take plays off and are relentless.I do like that quality about Mercilus. Mercilus isnt so much about elite athleticism but hard work.Mercilus is also pretty well refined as a player.He uses his hands and arms real well. He reminds me more of a Derrick Morgan or Robert Ayers prospect then JPP or Aldon Smith.[/quote]Got to agree w/ Redeye on Whitney Mercilus. Not a bad prospect, but nowhere near the level of JPP. I actually think Nick Perry of USC is a much better defensive end.
                [/quote] Its fine to dissagree Either way Whitney is gonna be a stud and i think u lead the nation in sacks and forced fumbles when your litteraly the focus of offensive lines unless your very athletic Hes fantastic!
                [/quote][/quote]I've still got Southern Cal DE Nick Perry rated higher than Mercilus. His stock has gotta be on the rise w/ his strong combine showing the other day. Here's his results:


















                Nick Perry Combine Results
                4.64 40 yard dash
                35 bench reps of 225 pounds
                38.5 inch vertical jump
                124 inch broad jump
                7.25 3 cone drill
                4.66 20 yard shuttle

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                • Re: A look at the 2012 NFL draft

                  [quote user="heavyhitter"][quote user="heavyhitter"][quote user="nycsportzfan"][quote user="heavyhitter"][quote user="Redeyejedi"][quote user="nycsportzfan"][quote user="Redeyejedi"][quote user="ELIistheFRANCHISE"][quote user="Redeyejedi"]


                  I will put this in the film room thread as wel but just in case U didnt see this




                  Doug Martin vs Arizona State 2011 "Las Vegas Bowl"




                  [/quote]




                  Redeye, whats your thoughts/film on any DE's coming in the draft this year that could fall to the 2nd or 3rd rd. Obviously you cant see the future, but some guys that could be great value in the 2nd/3rd?

                  [/quote]Im not really feeling any of these pass rushers to be honest with U.[/quote]Whitney Mercilus looks fantastic! I actually hope we can somehow get him to go with JPP for our future DE tandem. I think Mercilus is the closest thing to JPP since JPP.. I think he rises to far up the draft for us though.. I'm thinking Janoris Jenkins at this point because i expect mercilus, kuechly, richardson and decastro to all be gone by the time we select.. I'm now hoping for Janoris Jenkins, Chase Minnifield, Pete Konz(if he comes out), Dwayne Allen, or Jerel Worthy..[/quote]I havent disagreed with U much this season but I do disagree with U about Mercilus.I dont think he is a bad prospect but I dont see anywhere near the elite level athletic ability JPP possess's .JPP had an insane burst off the line of scrimmage,Mercilus doesnt have that.What is similar about Mercilus and JPP is the motor.Both players play hard dont take plays off and are relentless.I do like that quality about Mercilus. Mercilus isnt so much about elite athleticism but hard work.Mercilus is also pretty well refined as a player.He uses his hands and arms real well. He reminds me more of a Derrick Morgan or Robert Ayers prospect then JPP or Aldon Smith.[/quote]Got to agree w/ Redeye on Whitney Mercilus. Not a bad prospect, but nowhere near the level of JPP. I actually think Nick Perry of USC is a much better defensive end.
                  [/quote] Its fine to dissagree Either way Whitney is gonna be a stud and i think u lead the nation in sacks and forced fumbles when your litteraly the focus of offensive lines unless your very athletic Hes fantastic!
                  [/quote][/quote]I've still got Southern Cal DE Nick Perry rated higher than Mercilus.
                  [/quote] nick perry is going before mercilus though, and was never really in discussion at all with a possibility of going to the Giants.. Its like me saying i like Trent Richardson more then Lamar Miller or something...

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                  • Re: A look at the 2012 NFL draft

                    [quote user="heavyhitter"][quote user="heavyhitter"][quote user="heavyhitter"][quote user="nycsportzfan"][quote user="heavyhitter"][quote user="Redeyejedi"][quote user="nycsportzfan"][quote user="Redeyejedi"][quote user="ELIistheFRANCHISE"][quote user="Redeyejedi"]


                    I will put this in the film room thread as wel but just in case U didnt see this




                    Doug Martin vs Arizona State 2011 "Las Vegas Bowl"




                    [/quote]




                    Redeye, whats your thoughts/film on any DE's coming in the draft this year that could fall to the 2nd or 3rd rd. Obviously you cant see the future, but some guys that could be great value in the 2nd/3rd?

                    [/quote]Im not really feeling any of these pass rushers to be honest with U.[/quote]Whitney Mercilus looks fantastic! I actually hope we can somehow get him to go with JPP for our future DE tandem. I think Mercilus is the closest thing to JPP since JPP.. I think he rises to far up the draft for us though.. I'm thinking Janoris Jenkins at this point because i expect mercilus, kuechly, richardson and decastro to all be gone by the time we select.. I'm now hoping for Janoris Jenkins, Chase Minnifield, Pete Konz(if he comes out), Dwayne Allen, or Jerel Worthy..[/quote]I havent disagreed with U much this season but I do disagree with U about Mercilus.I dont think he is a bad prospect but I dont see anywhere near the elite level athletic ability JPP possess's .JPP had an insane burst off the line of scrimmage,Mercilus doesnt have that.What is similar about Mercilus and JPP is the motor.Both players play hard dont take plays off and are relentless.I do like that quality about Mercilus. Mercilus isnt so much about elite athleticism but hard work.Mercilus is also pretty well refined as a player.He uses his hands and arms real well. He reminds me more of a Derrick Morgan or Robert Ayers prospect then JPP or Aldon Smith.[/quote]Got to agree w/ Redeye on Whitney Mercilus. Not a bad prospect, but nowhere near the level of JPP. I actually think Nick Perry of USC is a much better defensive end.
                    [/quote] Its fine to dissagree Either way Whitney is gonna be a stud and i think u lead the nation in sacks and forced fumbles when your litteraly the focus of offensive lines unless your very athletic Hes fantastic!
                    [/quote][/quote]I've still got Southern Cal DE Nick Perry rated higher than Mercilus. His stock has gotta be on the rise w/ his strong combine showing the other day. Here's his results:
















                    Nick Perry Combine Results
                    4.64 40 yard dash
                    35 bench reps of 225 pounds
                    38.5 inch vertical jump
                    124 inch broad jump
                    7.25 3 cone drill
                    4.66 20 yard shuttle

                    [/quote][/quote] Ya, his stock on the rise from a all ready most likely 1st rder.. Hes been rated higher then mercilus... I never thought Perrys had a chacne at going to us.. regardless, i like Mercilus more, but i can understand why some like Perry, because most Sites got him ranked higher then Mercilus..

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                    • Re: A look at the 2012 NFL draft

                      [quote user="nycsportzfan"][quote user="heavyhitter"][quote user="heavyhitter"][quote user="heavyhitter"][quote user="nycsportzfan"][quote user="heavyhitter"][quote user="Redeyejedi"][quote user="nycsportzfan"][quote user="Redeyejedi"][quote user="ELIistheFRANCHISE"][quote user="Redeyejedi"]


                      I will put this in the film room thread as wel but just in case U didnt see this




                      Doug Martin vs Arizona State 2011 "Las Vegas Bowl"




                      [/quote]




                      Redeye, whats your thoughts/film on any DE's coming in the draft this year that could fall to the 2nd or 3rd rd. Obviously you cant see the future, but some guys that could be great value in the 2nd/3rd?

                      [/quote]Im not really feeling any of these pass rushers to be honest with U.[/quote]Whitney Mercilus looks fantastic! I actually hope we can somehow get him to go with JPP for our future DE tandem. I think Mercilus is the closest thing to JPP since JPP.. I think he rises to far up the draft for us though.. I'm thinking Janoris Jenkins at this point because i expect mercilus, kuechly, richardson and decastro to all be gone by the time we select.. I'm now hoping for Janoris Jenkins, Chase Minnifield, Pete Konz(if he comes out), Dwayne Allen, or Jerel Worthy..[/quote]I havent disagreed with U much this season but I do disagree with U about Mercilus.I dont think he is a bad prospect but I dont see anywhere near the elite level athletic ability JPP possess's .JPP had an insane burst off the line of scrimmage,Mercilus doesnt have that.What is similar about Mercilus and JPP is the motor.Both players play hard dont take plays off and are relentless.I do like that quality about Mercilus. Mercilus isnt so much about elite athleticism but hard work.Mercilus is also pretty well refined as a player.He uses his hands and arms real well. He reminds me more of a Derrick Morgan or Robert Ayers prospect then JPP or Aldon Smith.[/quote]Got to agree w/ Redeye on Whitney Mercilus. Not a bad prospect, but nowhere near the level of JPP. I actually think Nick Perry of USC is a much better defensive end.
                      [/quote] Its fine to dissagree Either way Whitney is gonna be a stud and i think u lead the nation in sacks and forced fumbles when your litteraly the focus of offensive lines unless your very athletic Hes fantastic!
                      [/quote][/quote]I've still got Southern Cal DE Nick Perry rated higher than Mercilus. His stock has gotta be on the rise w/ his strong combine showing the other day. Here's his results:
















                      Nick Perry Combine Results
                      4.64 40 yard dash
                      35 bench reps of 225 pounds
                      38.5 inch vertical jump
                      124 inch broad jump
                      7.25 3 cone drill
                      4.66 20 yard shuttle

                      [/quote][/quote] Ya, his stock on the rise from a all ready most likely 1st rder.. Hes been rated higher then mercilus... I never thought Perrys had a chacne at going to us.. regardless, i like Mercilus more, but i can understand why some like Perry, because most Sites got him ranked higher then Mercilus..[/quote]I'm not gonna argue w/ you pal, here's Mayock's top 5 at DE:







































                      Rank Previous Ranking (1/24)
                      Updated Rank (2/14)
                      Change
                      1 Quinton Coples, North Carolina Melvin Ingram, South Carolina
                      2 Melvin Ingram, South Carolina Quinton Coples, North Carolina
                      3 Whitney Mercilus, Illinois Andre Branch, Clemson
                      4 Nick Perry, USC Whitney Mercilus, Illinois
                      5 (tie) Chandler Jones, Syracuse Vinny Curry, Marshall
                      Andre Branch, Clemson Nick Perry, USC

                      *That's right, he had Mercilus ranked ahead of Perry in January and February & I still stick to my word that Nick Perry is a better DE than Whitney Mercilus. End of discussion-

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                      • Re: A look at the 2012 NFL draft

                        [quote user="heavyhitter"][quote user="nycsportzfan"][quote user="heavyhitter"][quote user="heavyhitter"][quote user="heavyhitter"][quote user="nycsportzfan"][quote user="heavyhitter"][quote user="Redeyejedi"][quote user="nycsportzfan"][quote user="Redeyejedi"][quote user="ELIistheFRANCHISE"][quote user="Redeyejedi"]


                        I will put this in the film room thread as wel but just in case U didnt see this




                        Doug Martin vs Arizona State 2011 "Las Vegas Bowl"




                        [/quote]




                        Redeye, whats your thoughts/film on any DE's coming in the draft this year that could fall to the 2nd or 3rd rd. Obviously you cant see the future, but some guys that could be great value in the 2nd/3rd?

                        [/quote]Im not really feeling any of these pass rushers to be honest with U.[/quote]Whitney Mercilus looks fantastic! I actually hope we can somehow get him to go with JPP for our future DE tandem. I think Mercilus is the closest thing to JPP since JPP.. I think he rises to far up the draft for us though.. I'm thinking Janoris Jenkins at this point because i expect mercilus, kuechly, richardson and decastro to all be gone by the time we select.. I'm now hoping for Janoris Jenkins, Chase Minnifield, Pete Konz(if he comes out), Dwayne Allen, or Jerel Worthy..[/quote]I havent disagreed with U much this season but I do disagree with U about Mercilus.I dont think he is a bad prospect but I dont see anywhere near the elite level athletic ability JPP possess's .JPP had an insane burst off the line of scrimmage,Mercilus doesnt have that.What is similar about Mercilus and JPP is the motor.Both players play hard dont take plays off and are relentless.I do like that quality about Mercilus. Mercilus isnt so much about elite athleticism but hard work.Mercilus is also pretty well refined as a player.He uses his hands and arms real well. He reminds me more of a Derrick Morgan or Robert Ayers prospect then JPP or Aldon Smith.[/quote]Got to agree w/ Redeye on Whitney Mercilus. Not a bad prospect, but nowhere near the level of JPP. I actually think Nick Perry of USC is a much better defensive end.
                        [/quote] Its fine to dissagree Either way Whitney is gonna be a stud and i think u lead the nation in sacks and forced fumbles when your litteraly the focus of offensive lines unless your very athletic Hes fantastic!
                        [/quote][/quote]I've still got Southern Cal DE Nick Perry rated higher than Mercilus. His stock has gotta be on the rise w/ his strong combine showing the other day. Here's his results:
















                        Nick Perry Combine Results
                        4.64 40 yard dash
                        35 bench reps of 225 pounds
                        38.5 inch vertical jump
                        124 inch broad jump
                        7.25 3 cone drill
                        4.66 20 yard shuttle

                        [/quote][/quote] Ya, his stock on the rise from a all ready most likely 1st rder.. Hes been rated higher then mercilus... I never thought Perrys had a chacne at going to us.. regardless, i like Mercilus more, but i can understand why some like Perry, because most Sites got him ranked higher then Mercilus..[/quote]I'm not gonna argue w/ you pal, here's Mayock's top 5 at DE:





































                        Rank Previous Ranking (1/24)
                        Updated Rank (2/14)
                        Change
                        1 Quinton Coples, North Carolina Melvin Ingram, South Carolina
                        2 Melvin Ingram, South Carolina Quinton Coples, North Carolina
                        3 Whitney Mercilus, Illinois Andre Branch, Clemson
                        4 Nick Perry, USC Whitney Mercilus, Illinois
                        5 (tie) Chandler Jones, Syracuse Vinny Curry, Marshall
                        Andre Branch, Clemson Nick Perry, USC




                        *That's right, he had Mercilus ranked ahead of Perry in January and February & I still stick to my word that Nick Perry is a better DE than Whitney Mercilus. End of discussion-
                        [/quote] I said most sites,my freind..its not surprising someguys like mayock would have the guy who had 8.5 more TFL, and 6.5 more sacks, and 6more Forced Fumbles... Mayock dosen't just judge these guys by there combines...lol I didn't see u say much about Nick Perry ever really, so touche if u did have perry ranked higher then mercilus awhile back... I think Perrys gonna be a big bust to be honest... He didn't even show up untill the last 4games of the season...




                        Now theres a SIG BET i'll do with ya.. I'll gurantee u that Mercilus has more sacks and forced fumbles and TFL then Perry as a rookie...

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                        • Re: A look at the 2012 NFL draft

                          Brandon Brooks G Miami Oh, ran a Sub 5.00 40 at his proday at 6ft 5in 346lbs.. Only one olineman at the combine would of ran a faster 40time(Donald Stephensen).. He also had 36reps on the bench press.. Brandon Brooks stock is surely on the rise..

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                          • Re: A look at the 2012 NFL draft

                            [quote user="nycsportzfan"]* Brandon Brooks G Miami Oh, ran a Sub 5.00 40 at his proday at 6ft 5in 346lbs.. Only one olineman at the combine would of ran a faster 40time(Donald Stephensen)..** He also had 36reps on the bench press..* Brandon Brooks stock is surely on the rise..[/quote]Yeah nyc, I saw his name mentioned in the 3rd or 4th rd in one of the mocks, not usre if it was Walt's or drafttek.

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                              [quote user="nycsportzfan"][quote user="heavyhitter"][quote user="nycsportzfan"][quote user="heavyhitter"][quote user="heavyhitter"][quote user="heavyhitter"][quote user="nycsportzfan"][quote user="heavyhitter"][quote user="Redeyejedi"][quote user="nycsportzfan"][quote user="Redeyejedi"][quote user="ELIistheFRANCHISE"][quote user="Redeyejedi"]


                              I will put this in the film room thread as wel but just in case U didnt see this




                              Doug Martin vs Arizona State 2011 "Las Vegas Bowl"




                              [/quote]




                              Redeye, whats your thoughts/film on any DE's coming in the draft this year that could fall to the 2nd or 3rd rd. Obviously you cant see the future, but some guys that could be great value in the 2nd/3rd?

                              [/quote]Im not really feeling any of these pass rushers to be honest with U.[/quote]Whitney Mercilus looks fantastic! I actually hope we can somehow get him to go with JPP for our future DE tandem. I think Mercilus is the closest thing to JPP since JPP.. I think he rises to far up the draft for us though.. I'm thinking Janoris Jenkins at this point because i expect mercilus, kuechly, richardson and decastro to all be gone by the time we select.. I'm now hoping for Janoris Jenkins, Chase Minnifield, Pete Konz(if he comes out), Dwayne Allen, or Jerel Worthy..[/quote]I havent disagreed with U much this season but I do disagree with U about Mercilus.I dont think he is a bad prospect but I dont see anywhere near the elite level athletic ability JPP possess's .JPP had an insane burst off the line of scrimmage,Mercilus doesnt have that.What is similar about Mercilus and JPP is the motor.Both players play hard dont take plays off and are relentless.I do like that quality about Mercilus. Mercilus isnt so much about elite athleticism but hard work.Mercilus is also pretty well refined as a player.He uses his hands and arms real well. He reminds me more of a Derrick Morgan or Robert Ayers prospect then JPP or Aldon Smith.[/quote]Got to agree w/ Redeye on Whitney Mercilus. Not a bad prospect, but nowhere near the level of JPP. I actually think Nick Perry of USC is a much better defensive end.
                              [/quote] Its fine to dissagree Either way Whitney is gonna be a stud and i think u lead the nation in sacks and forced fumbles when your litteraly the focus of offensive lines unless your very athletic Hes fantastic!
                              [/quote][/quote]I've still got Southern Cal DE Nick Perry rated higher than Mercilus. His stock has gotta be on the rise w/ his strong combine showing the other day. Here's his results:
















                              Nick Perry Combine Results
                              4.64 40 yard dash
                              35 bench reps of 225 pounds
                              38.5 inch vertical jump
                              124 inch broad jump
                              7.25 3 cone drill
                              4.66 20 yard shuttle

                              [/quote][/quote] Ya, his stock on the rise from a all ready most likely 1st rder.. Hes been rated higher then mercilus... I never thought Perrys had a chacne at going to us.. regardless, i like Mercilus more, but i can understand why some like Perry, because most Sites got him ranked higher then Mercilus..[/quote]I'm not gonna argue w/ you pal, here's Mayock's top 5 at DE:





































                              Rank Previous Ranking (1/24)
                              Updated Rank (2/14)
                              Change
                              1 Quinton Coples, North Carolina Melvin Ingram, South Carolina
                              2 Melvin Ingram, South Carolina Quinton Coples, North Carolina
                              3 Whitney Mercilus, Illinois Andre Branch, Clemson
                              4 Nick Perry, USC Whitney Mercilus, Illinois
                              5 (tie) Chandler Jones, Syracuse Vinny Curry, Marshall
                              Andre Branch, Clemson Nick Perry, USC




                              *That's right, he had Mercilus ranked ahead of Perry in January and February & I still stick to my word that Nick Perry is a better DE than Whitney Mercilus. End of discussion-
                              [/quote] I said most sites,my freind..its not surprising someguys like mayock would have the guy who had 8.5 more TFL, and 6.5 more sacks, and 6more Forced Fumbles... Mayock dosen't just judge these guys by there combines...lol I didn't see u say much about Nick Perry ever really, so touche if u did have perry ranked higher then mercilus awhile back... I think Perrys gonna be a big bust to be honest... He didn't even show up untill the last 4games of the season...




                              Now theres a SIG BET i'll do with ya.. I'll gurantee u that Mercilus has more sacks and forced fumbles and TFL then Perry as a rookie...

                              [/quote]

                              Depends who takes whom. If either one winds up on the Giants, he's not going to get many opportunities (I'd say 5 sacks, 2 FF's)

                              Personally, if I get around to doing a mock today or tomorrow (4 rounds, after that it gets too murky for me), I'll have Nick Perry going to the G-Men in the first. I still think there could be 3+ QB's going in the 1st, and between that and the depth at DT, it could push Perry down to 32.

                              Likewise, I also see Ingram, Coples, Upshaw, Branch, and Mercilus going before Perry.

                              Ingram, Upshaw, Branch, and Mercilus all have the ability (although I think it would be wasted in Ingram and Mercilus) to be 34 OLB's as well as 43 DE's, and that versatility will get them drafted higher. Also, GM's SHOULD (probably not, but SHOULD) respect Mercilus' production.

                              Despite actually playing "OLB" at USC, IMHO, Perry doesn't have the hips to drop into coverage routinely in the NFL. He just didn't look smooth or really comfortable in space, particularly compared to Branch, Ingram, and Mercilus.

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                              • Re: A look at the 2012 NFL draft

                                Doing an expert mock today they are on Pick 9 right now.I see all these guys trading way before their pick i dont quite get it

                                . Indianapolis Colts: Andrew Luck-Quarterback-Stanford

                                2. Cleveland Browns (STL):Robert Griffin III-Quarterback-Baylor

                                3. Minnesota Vikings: Matt Kalil-Offensive Tackle-USC

                                4. St. Louis Rams (CLE): Morris Claiborne-Cornerback-LSU

                                5. Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Justin Blackmon-Wide Receiver-Oklahoma State

                                6. Washington Redskins: Riley Reiff-Offensive Tackle-Iowa

                                TRADE: The Jacksonville Jaguars send pick #7 to the Kansas City Chiefs for picks #11 and 75



                                7. Kansas City Chiefs: Dontari Poe-Nose Tackle-Memphis



                                TRADE: The Miami Dolphins send their 1st Rounder (#8), 3rd Rounder (#73), 4th Rounder (104), and 5th Rounder (#136) to the Dallas Cowboys for their 1st Rounder (#14). 2nd rounder (#45), 3rd Rounder (#85), and 7th Rounder (#206)

                                8.: Cowboys Melvin Ingram-Outside Linebacker-South Carolina

                                9.Panthers -Devon Still DT PSU

                                10. Bills - Michael Floyd

                                11. Jaguars - Coples


                                If Fletcher Cox Falls to me Im taking him. I think he is the best defensive lineman in the draft

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