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  • Re: A look at the 2012 NFL draft



    redeye, you think that the Giants could trade back into the early 2nd rd and still grab Fleener or Allen?







    I think if Fleener is there at 33, the Colts would grab him to pair with luck? I think if Reese liked Allen more, he could be sitting there till the middle of the 2nd rd.







    I keep reading how other analysts and fans feel Branch is more of a 3-4 rush backer. I have seen some Clemson games, and think he would be a good 4-3 end.

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      [quote user="Redeyejedi"][quote user="nycsportzfan"][quote user="Neverend"]If the giants send scouts to pro days, its extremely important they sent 9 to marvin austin's (a report the media completely missed until after the draft) really disappointed dwayne allen didnt run the 40[/quote] I totally agree.. Sure, sometimes it dosen't matter, as the Giants scouts or FO personal are not gonna see what they want from the guys there checking out, but more often then not, with the GIANTS, its a indicator there truly interested in a player or players that are at the paticular proday... I'm hoping its Dwayne Allen or Andre Branch that there interested in.. Clemson also has some later rd Olineman that Ross could of got a look at...[/quote]I think they would would be interested in Branch. He is the closest thing to a pure edge rusher this draft has. Still think Fleener would be the TE if they were going to take 1 but Allen is more ready to contribute as a blocker immediately.[/quote] I think Allen has the look of a young Fred Davis, and if u take away the off field stuff for Fred Davis, u probably got a pro bowl type player.. I'm big on Allen and Fleener, but think Allen is quicker on the field then he showed in his 40time, andcan make the acrobatic throws, which sometimes, ELI has a tendency to throw one high or if the guys covered, he'll still give the TE or WR a chance by throwing it in a spot where he has to make a acrobatic type catch.. Allen seems to be the best ALL AROUND TE in this draft right now, and i think hes only nipped the surface.. Hes played with Kyle Wilson and a Freshman as his QB's, and Fleener had Luck.. Give Allen ELI as a QB, and i think you've got a big contributor... But Fleener is fine by me as well..

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        [quote user="tonyt830"]

        redeye, you think that the Giants could trade back into the early 2nd rd and still grab Fleener or Allen?







        I think if Fleener is there at 33, the Colts would grab him to pair with luck? I think if Reese liked Allen more, he could be sitting there till the middle of the 2nd rd.







        I keep reading how other analysts and fans feel Branch is more of a 3-4 rush backer. I have seen some Clemson games, and think he would be a good 4-3 end.

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        He could, but he was lighter than most expected at the combine at 259 lbs. The athleticism was LB quality too.
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          Rumour Has it that Stephon Gilmore is right there with Dre Kirkpatrick as the Number 2 ranked CB in this yrs draft, which comes to no surprise for me, as i've been saying i'm not high on Dre Kirkpatrick, and presonally, i have Casey Hayward ranked higher as well as Gilmore.. I just don't see Kirkpatrick as more then a Dominque Rodgers-Cromartie type CB at his best... Heres my personal CB rankings, and u guys might laugh, because of how down i am on Dre Kirkpatrick..




          1. Morris Claiborne LSU




          2. Casey Hayward Vandy- God, i love this kids game!




          3. Janoris Jenkins No Ala




          4. Stephon Gilmore S.Carolina




          5. Josh Robinson UCF




          6. Brandon Boykin Georgia




          7. Dre Kirkpatrick Bama




          8. Leonard Johson Iowa St




          9. Jamell Fleming Oklahoma




          10. Omar Bolden- Kinda my sleeper CB.. I really like Bolden.. If healthy, he'd be sure 2nd rder...




          Guys i don't like- Jayron Hosley, Dwight Bently, Cliff Harris, Alphonso Dennard... I also got Trumaine Johnson more as a FS then CB... I love Trumaine Johnson by the way! I like the Giants, like my CB's to have a bit of size to em, hence im just not a fan of guys like Cliff Harris and Jayron Hosley.. I make a exception for some, ala Brandon Boykin..

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            [quote user="BlueSanta"][quote user="tonyt830"]

            redeye, you think that the Giants could trade back into the early 2nd rd and still grab Fleener or Allen?




            *




            I think if Fleener is there at 33, the Colts would grab him to pair with luck?* I think if Reese liked Allen more, he could be sitting there till the middle of the 2nd rd.




            *




            I keep reading how other analysts and fans feel Branch is more of a 3-4 rush backer.* I have seen some Clemson games, and think he would be a good 4-3 end.

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            He could, but he was lighter than most expected at the combine at 259 lbs.* The athleticism was LB quality too.
            [/quote]thanks blue santa. I bet if he went to a 4-3 team to play DE, he can bulk up to 265-270 and be effective.

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              [quote user="nycsportzfan"]

              *Rumour Has it that Stephon Gilmore is right there with Dre Kirkpatrick as the Number 2 ranked CB in this yrs draft, which comes to no surprise for me, as i've been saying i'm not high on Dre Kirkpatrick, and presonally, i have Casey Hayward ranked higher as well as Gilmore.. I just don't see Kirkpatrick as more then a Dominque Rodgers-Cromartie type CB at his best...*** Heres my personal CB rankings, and u guys might laugh, because of how down i am on Dre Kirkpatrick..




              1. Morris Claiborne LSU




              2. Casey Hayward Vandy-* God, i love this kids game!




              3. Janoris Jenkins No Ala




              4. Stephon Gilmore S.Carolina




              5. Josh Robinson UCF




              6. Brandon Boykin Georgia




              7. Dre Kirkpatrick Bama




              8. Leonard Johson* Iowa St




              9. Jamell Fleming Oklahoma




              10. Omar Bolden- Kinda my sleeper CB.. I really like Bolden.. If healthy, he'd be sure 2nd rder...




              Guys i don't like- Jayron Hosley,* Dwight Bently, Cliff Harris, Alphonso Dennard... I also got Trumaine Johnson more as a FS then CB... I love Trumaine Johnson by the way!* I like the Giants, like my CB's to have a bit of size to em, hence im just not a fan of guys like Cliff Harris and Jayron Hosley..* I make a exception for some, ala* Brandon Boykin..

              [/quote]I agree with your list. I'm sure Claiborne, Jenkins and probably Kirkpatrick will be gone by 32. But I would not be disappointed with Gilmore, Robinson, Hayward or Fleming in the 2nd-4th rd area.

              I too am a Hayward fan, hell I pull for Vandy living down here in the Nashville area. So when I see a Vandy player getting some love from the media and analysts, it makes me want them to succeed that much more.


              And what I like about Boykin from Georgia, is that he can contribute in the kick return game.

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              • Re: A look at the 2012 NFL draft

                [quote user="tonyt830"][quote user="nycsportzfan"]


                Rumour Has it that Stephon Gilmore is right there with Dre Kirkpatrick as the Number 2 ranked CB in this yrs draft, which comes to no surprise for me, as i've been saying i'm not high on Dre Kirkpatrick, and presonally, i have Casey Hayward ranked higher as well as Gilmore.. I just don't see Kirkpatrick as more then a Dominque Rodgers-Cromartie type CB at his best... Heres my personal CB rankings, and u guys might laugh, because of how down i am on Dre Kirkpatrick..




                1. Morris Claiborne LSU




                2. Casey Hayward Vandy- God, i love this kids game!




                3. Janoris Jenkins No Ala




                4. Stephon Gilmore S.Carolina




                5. Josh Robinson UCF




                6. Brandon Boykin Georgia




                7. Dre Kirkpatrick Bama




                8. Leonard Johson Iowa St




                9. Jamell Fleming Oklahoma




                10. Omar Bolden- Kinda my sleeper CB.. I really like Bolden.. If healthy, he'd be sure 2nd rder...




                Guys i don't like- Jayron Hosley, Dwight Bently, Cliff Harris, Alphonso Dennard... I also got Trumaine Johnson more as a FS then CB... I love Trumaine Johnson by the way! I like the Giants, like my CB's to have a bit of size to em, hence im just not a fan of guys like Cliff Harris and Jayron Hosley.. I make a exception for some, ala Brandon Boykin..

                [/quote]I agree with your list. I'm sure Claiborne, Jenkins and probably Kirkpatrick will be gone by 32. But I would not be disappointed with Gilmore, Robinson, Hayward or Fleming in the 2nd-4th rd area. I too am a Hayward fan, hell I pull for Vandy living down here in the Nashville area. So when I see a Vandy player getting some love from the media and analysts, it makes me want them to succeed that much more. And what I like about Boykin from Georgia, is that he can contribute in the kick return game.[/quote] Ya, Boykins versatility is something i really like.. Heck, he can play some WR if u want as well.. He also plays bigger then he is... Hayward is just a all around stud.. I don't care if he dosen't run a 4.4 or something, the guy has great instincts and technique.. Hes no slouch against the run, and flat out makes plays.. Hes gonna be such a well rounded CB in this league.. I think whoever gets Hayward, is gonna get RD 1 production, and a future probowler.. I don't see how teams aren't seeing this, but come draft day, we'll see where he goes...

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                  Heres the way Redeyes Mock Draft went for the NFC EAST TEAMS... Lets see who did the best within the divison... There were trades in this mock, hence some rd's teams got a few more picks or no picks, or earlier picks in the paticular rd, depending on what the TRADES consisted of...







                  THE SUPER BOWL CHAMPS




                  1. Coby Fleener TE Stanford




                  2. Trumaine Johnson CB/FS Montana




                  3. Bobbie Massie OT Ole Miss




                  4. Dajohn Harris DT U.S.C




                  5. Nigel Bradham OLB Florida St.




                  6. Vick Ballard RB Miss St.




                  7. Cordarro Law DE So. Miss




                  The Washington Foreskins




                  1. Riely Reiff OT Iowa




                  2. Ryan Tannehill QB Texas A&M




                  3. No pick( mock trade)




                  4. Josh Robinson CB UCF




                  4. Mike Martin DT Michigan




                  4. Billy Winn DT Boise St




                  4. Chris Givens WR Wake Forest




                  5. Brandon Mosely OT Auburn




                  5. Justin Bethel CB Presbeytirian




                  6. James Michael-Johnson LB Nevada




                  6. Tony Bergstrom OT Utah




                  7. Emil Igwenagu FB/TE UMASS




                  7. Danny Coale WR Virginia Tech







                  Dallas Cowgirls




                  1. Melvin Ingram OLB/DE S.Carolina (aquired by trade up with Phins)




                  2. Pick Traded away




                  3. Jayron Hosley CB Virginia Tech




                  4. Dominique Hamilton DT Mizzo




                  4. Jeff Allen OT Illinois




                  5. Russell Wilson QB Wisconsin




                  5. Terrence Fredrick CB Texas A&M




                  6. Emmanuel Acho LB Texas




                  6. Jarrett Boykin WR Virginia Tech




                  7. Taylor Thompson TE S.M.U







                  Philthy Eagles




                  1. Courtney Upshaw DE/OLB Alabama




                  1. Mark Barron S Alabama (mock trade)




                  2. Alamadea Ta'amu DT Washington




                  3. Pick traded away(mock trade)




                  4. Kirk Cousins QB Michigan St.




                  4. Nick Toon WR Wisconsin




                  5. Senio Kelemente G Washington




                  6. Matt Reynolds OT B.Y.U




                  7. No Pick (mock trade)




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                  • Re: A look at the 2012 NFL draft

                    Well guys the stupidity of the guys never cease to amaze me.
                    Orson Charles was arrested for DUI and driving 2 Slow .
                    [link]http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/eye-on-football/17683150/orson-charles-arrested-for-dui-friday[/link]

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                      [quote user="Redeyejedi"]Well guys the stupidity of the guys never cease to amaze me.
                      Orson Charles was arrested for DUI and driving 2 Slow .
                      [link]http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/eye-on-football/17683150/orson-charles-arrested-for-dui-friday[/link][/quote]

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                      • Re: A look at the 2012 NFL draft

                        Miami Pro Day Features Several Future NFL Draft Picks

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                          Giants reportedly spent a lot of time with Chandler Jones not surprising with his 85 3/8 Wingspan and 35 1/2 " arms.

                          [link]http://www.pressconnects.com/article/20120308/SPORTS/203080407/Chandler-Jones-draws-crowd-Syracuse-s-Pro-Day?odyssey=mod%7Cnewswell%7Ctext%7CFRONTPAGE%7Cs[/link]

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                            Antrel Rolle was at Miami's Pro Day yesterday as well as damn near every team including multiple scouts from individual teams (66 NFL scouts/coaches).
                            Miami Pro Day Features Several Future NFL Draft Picks

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                            • Re: A look at the 2012 NFL draft

                              [quote user="Redeyejedi"]Giants reportedly spent a lot of time with Chandler Jones not surprising with his 85 3/8 Wingspan and 35 1/2 " arms.

                              [link]http://www.pressconnects.com/article/20120308/SPORTS/203080407/Chandler-Jones-draws-crowd-Syracuse-s-Pro-Day?odyssey=mod%7Cnewswell%7Ctext%7CFRONTPAGE%7Cs[/link][/quote]

                              As I said in the other thread, I think he is a very big possibility for us. He is a natural LDE and with Tuck's injuries mounting we have lacked a natural LDE to replace/ spell him.

                              We have lined up JPP in place of an injured Tuck, and he did well, but his production on the right side was way better. He is much more natural on the right.

                              We have lined up Tolly to spell Tuck, and he did well in passrush situations but suffered vs the run.

                              We lined up Canty occasionally too, but he didnt garner much passrush from the position.

                              Jones is a perfect fit for our defense.
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                              • Re: A look at the 2012 NFL draft

                                Jones has an elite wingspan, but what else is so great about him?

                                Outside of the fact that having great length should help you anchor in a 2-gap scheme, help tremendously when wrapping up, helping keep blockers off your frame against the run game, and subsequently helping in your pass rush from lineman getting an initial punch on your chest -- I would like to know what else is great about this guy that could translate significantly at the next level (and because he plays high and short-armed doesn't even use his length to his advantage although that is correctable)

                                Granted it was one video, but I wasn't impressed with his tape against west virginia. Doesn't seem to be quick or explosive and doesn't have great technique. Reports dont sound so great on him either

                                I think his upside is very limited. It wasn't just JPP's wingspan that made him so special, the kid was very explosive and sudden as a pass rusher in his short time as a starter at college. This Jones guy seems to be a great athlete physically, but as far as football qualities go (first step quickness, get off burst, suddeness, violence.) he seems woefully below average.

                                I think he'll flash nothing in a training camp. I don't think just because he has great length (which as mentioned serves as a great fit for our scheme) ALONE makes him a great fit for the defense. There are other draft picks with long arms and are superior athletes than Jones at the same time. Not someone I'd use a pick on in the first 4 or 5 rounds

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