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    [quote user="nevada11"][quote user="Redeyejedi"]He seems to be really high on Brockers. I dont think his tape is all that impressive.His athleticism is overrated. Brockers does a great job at holding the point of attack , but #5 overall for an elite run stuffer that gets taken off the field on passing downs?
    I do see the potential in Brockers and he hasnt had that weight on him for that long. He was a 250lb SOLB when he came to LSU. He isnt much of a threat on the QB.[/quote]

    What in the world redeye, brockers athleticism is overrated????? Everyone says he is a great athlete that has amazing upside

    Look at this article:
    [link]http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/02/25/lsus-brockers-generates-buzz-at-combine-weigh-in/[/link]

    He has amazing upside because his wingpsan is 83 7/8 inches. That is LONGER than JPP's wingspan which is 81 inches. He has 35 inch arms! He is the defensive tackle version of JPP and has upside just like JPP. He is a freak of nature and has huge upside[/quote]
    I dont know what him being long has to do with him being athletic. He isnt quick or explosive at all.He offers nothing as a pass rusher as he didnt play on passing downs. He hasnt been at that weight for long so maybe he could learn to carry it better but I dont think he will ever develop into a great pass rusher or gap shooter.He looks like a 2 gap player in the NFL.
    An Athletic DT to me is Fletcher Cox. Great burst, length ,elite level quickness. He will be disruptive in the backfield hence more value to me

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      [quote user="Redeyejedi"][quote user="nevada11"][quote user="Redeyejedi"]He seems to be really high on Brockers. I dont think his tape is all that impressive.His athleticism is overrated. Brockers does a great job at holding the point of attack , but #5 overall for an elite run stuffer that gets taken off the field on passing downs?
      I do see the potential in Brockers and he hasnt had that weight on him for that long. He was a 250lb SOLB when he came to LSU. He isnt much of a threat on the QB.[/quote]

      What in the world redeye, brockers athleticism is overrated????? Everyone says he is a great athlete that has amazing upside

      Look at this article:
      [link]http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/02/25/lsus-brockers-generates-buzz-at-combine-weigh-in/[/link]

      He has amazing upside because his wingpsan is 83 7/8 inches. That is LONGER than JPP's wingspan which is 81 inches. He has 35 inch arms! He is the defensive tackle version of JPP and has upside just like JPP. He is a freak of nature and has huge upside[/quote]Im talking about quickness. yeah he is long but he isnt quick. He offers nothing as a pass rusher. He is an elite run stopper but I dont think he will ever develop into a great pass rusher.[/quote]

      Nothing as a pass rusher??? He has 35 INCH ARMS. He is a beast rushing the passer just because of that. He is going to great at slapping away the arms of a tackle and dominating offensive lineman with his elite JPP BETTER wingspan. He is very quick with his long arms to slap away tackles trying to block him.

      Neverend - arm length is overrated when trying to rush the passer? have you seen FREAKING JASON PIERRE PAUL?! An all-pro DE?! Brockers has that same upside. I bet you all were calling JPP a bad pass rusher coming out huh?

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        [quote user="nevada11"][quote user="Redeyejedi"][quote user="nevada11"][quote user="Redeyejedi"]He seems to be really high on Brockers. I dont think his tape is all that impressive.His athleticism is overrated. Brockers does a great job at holding the point of attack , but #5 overall for an elite run stuffer that gets taken off the field on passing downs?
        I do see the potential in Brockers and he hasnt had that weight on him for that long. He was a 250lb SOLB when he came to LSU. He isnt much of a threat on the QB.[/quote]

        What in the world redeye, brockers athleticism is overrated????? Everyone says he is a great athlete that has amazing upside

        Look at this article:
        [link]http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/02/25/lsus-brockers-generates-buzz-at-combine-weigh-in/[/link]

        He has amazing upside because his wingpsan is 83 7/8 inches. That is LONGER than JPP's wingspan which is 81 inches. He has 35 inch arms! He is the defensive tackle version of JPP and has upside just like JPP. He is a freak of nature and has huge upside[/quote]Im talking about quickness. yeah he is long but he isnt quick. He offers nothing as a pass rusher. He is an elite run stopper but I dont think he will ever develop into a great pass rusher.[/quote]

        Nothing as a pass rusher??? He has 35 INCH ARMS. He is a beast rushing the passer just because of that. He is going to great at slapping away the arms of a tackle and dominating offensive lineman with his elite JPP BETTER wingspan. He is very quick with his long arms to slap away tackles trying to block him.

        Neverend - arm length is overrated when trying to rush the passer? have you seen FREAKING JASON PIERRE PAUL?! An all-pro DE?! Brockers has that same upside. I bet you all were calling JPP a bad pass rusher coming out huh?[/quote]Have U watched tape at all. Brockers is not explosive. He wasnt on the field on passing downs. What does that tell u

        JPP has nothing to do with this at all. He isnt close to the same player as Brockers.

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          C'mon nevada. Are you and giants420 cousins or something? Is reading comprehension really that difficult nowadays? I sware...

          I never said arm length is overrated when trying to rush the passer. I said its overrated INSIDE. A great 3-technique inside is one that is explosive and quick off the ball. Because of this, they are able to come into contact with G/C immediately or use their foot quickness by getting in between G/C, splitting them and consequently collapsing the pocket.

          Brockers does none of that. You are somewhat right. Having his phenomenal wingspan helps rushing the passer. But only with a bull rush/power type moves. The best pass rushing defensive tackles in the NFL are the explosive/quick penetrating types. Not the bull rush types, sorry.

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            Im not even saying Brockers isnt a good prospect, he is. I just think its crazy to rate a lineman that doesnt rush the passer at #5 overall on his board. He could develop into a massive NT though if he piles the weight on. Seems like a real good 2 gap guy.
            Brockers is very athletic in certain ways but he isnt a pass rusher. I wouldnt even mind the Giants drafting him because he does have a skill set similar to Canty

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              [quote user="Neverend"]C'mon nevada. Are you and giants420 cousins or something? Is reading comprehension really that difficult nowadays? I sware...

              I never said arm length is overrated when trying to rush the passer. I said its overrated INSIDE. A great 3-technique inside is one that is explosive and quick off the ball. Because of this, they are able to come into contact with G/C immediately or use their foot quickness by getting in between G/C, splitting them and consequently collapsing the pocket.

              Brockers does none of that. You are somewhat right. Having his phenomenal wingspan helps rushing the passer. But only with a bull rush/power type moves. The best pass rushing defensive tackles in the NFL are the explosive/quick penetrating types. Not the bull rush types, sorry.[/quote]Fletcher Cox is a pass rushing 3 Tech gap shooter. he is what I classify as an athletic DT .

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                [quote user="nevada11"][quote user="Redeyejedi"][quote user="nevada11"][quote user="Redeyejedi"]He seems to be really high on Brockers. I dont think his tape is all that impressive.His athleticism is overrated. Brockers does a great job at holding the point of attack , but #5 overall for an elite run stuffer that gets taken off the field on passing downs?
                I do see the potential in Brockers and he hasnt had that weight on him for that long. He was a 250lb SOLB when he came to LSU. He isnt much of a threat on the QB.[/quote]

                What in the world redeye, brockers athleticism is overrated????? Everyone says he is a great athlete that has amazing upside

                Look at this article:
                [link]http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/02/25/lsus-brockers-generates-buzz-at-combine-weigh-in/[/link]

                He has amazing upside because his wingpsan is 83 7/8 inches. That is LONGER than JPP's wingspan which is 81 inches. He has 35 inch arms! He is the defensive tackle version of JPP and has upside just like JPP. He is a freak of nature and has huge upside[/quote]Im talking about quickness. yeah he is long but he isnt quick. He offers nothing as a pass rusher. He is an elite run stopper but I dont think he will ever develop into a great pass rusher.[/quote]

                Nothing as a pass rusher??? He has 35 INCH ARMS. He is a beast rushing the passer just because of that. He is going to great at slapping away the arms of a tackle and dominating offensive lineman with his elite JPP BETTER wingspan. He is very quick with his long arms to slap away tackles trying to block him.

                Neverend - arm length is overrated when trying to rush the passer? have you seen FREAKING JASON PIERRE PAUL?! An all-pro DE?! Brockers has that same upside. I bet you all were calling JPP a bad pass rusher coming out huh?[/quote]

                JPP has long arms, Brockers also has long arms. That is where the similarities between those 2 end.

                Oh , I guess they both benched 19 reps at the combine too. Sorry, forgot that 1.

                Brockers is not a passrusher, he is a space eater. He had 2 sacks last year. 1 was a qb draw that got stuffed, which counted as a 1 yard sack. However, he is a run stuffing monster.
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                  [quote user="Redeyejedi"]Have U watched tape at all. Brockers is not explosive. He wasnt on the field on passing downs. What does that tell u

                  JPP has nothing to do with this at all. He isnt close to the same player as Brockers.[/quote]

                  its so easy to say that now because you have watched JPP pan out in the NFL. A lot of people thought jpp was gonna bust and was overrated too

                  Coming out of college JPP was praised for his upside! Why? The very one reason is because he had a verrrry rare wingspan and length. 81 inch wingspan and 36 inch arms! He was seen as an athletic freak coming out and had so much upside

                  Brockers has an even LONGER wingspan at 83 inches and 35 inch arms. He has amazing upside and is going to be great at rushing the passer in the nfl. He is very raw just like JPP coming out too. JPP showed flashes of greatness and so did Brockers. If JPP had so much upside coming out but Brockers doesnt?

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                    [quote user="Neverend"]C'mon nevada. Are you and giants420 cousins or something? Is reading comprehension really that difficult nowadays? I sware...

                    I never said arm length is overrated when trying to rush the passer. I said its overrated INSIDE. A great 3-technique inside is one that is explosive and quick off the ball. Because of this, they are able to come into contact with G/C immediately or use their foot quickness by getting in between G/C, splitting them and consequently collapsing the pocket.

                    Brockers does none of that. You are somewhat right. Having his phenomenal wingspan helps rushing the passer. But only with a bull rush/power type moves. The best pass rushing defensive tackles in the NFL are the explosive/quick penetrating types. Not the bull rush types, sorry.[/quote]

                    I bet when JPP came out you probably said he will not be a great pass rusher in the NFL because he has no pass rush moves or something.. right??

                    Almost EVERYONE went crazy when JPP got drafted. Nobody liked the pick and it was because of negative things like saying he was boom or bust or overrated. Brockers has crazy upside just like JPP because they have the same skill set.

                    He can't collapse the pocket? Split a double team? He is RAW! He has only been playing defensive tackle for such a short time just like JPP only played organized football for such a short time. He will learn all the techniques there is to learn to excel. The sky is the limit for that kid! He can get so much better and he is already great against the run

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                      [quote user="Redeyejedi"][quote user="Neverend"]C'mon nevada. Are you and giants420 cousins or something? Is reading comprehension really that difficult nowadays? I sware... I never said arm length is overrated when trying to rush the passer. I said its overrated INSIDE. A great 3-technique inside is one that is explosive and quick off the ball. Because of this, they are able to come into contact with G/C immediately or use their foot quickness by getting in between G/C, splitting them and consequently collapsing the pocket. Brockers does none of that. You are somewhat right. Having his phenomenal wingspan helps rushing the passer. But only with a bull rush/power type moves. The best pass rushing defensive tackles in the NFL are the explosive/quick penetrating types. Not the bull rush types, sorry.[/quote]Fletcher Cox is a pass rushing 3 Tech gap shooter. he is what I classify as an athletic DT .[/quote] I agree with you totally.. And i also agree, that Brockers reminds me of Chris Canty, as far as skill set...

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                        [quote user="nevada11"][quote user="Redeyejedi"]Have U watched tape at all. Brockers is not explosive. He wasnt on the field on passing downs. What does that tell u

                        JPP has nothing to do with this at all. He isnt close to the same player as Brockers.[/quote]

                        its so easy to say that now because you have watched JPP pan out in the NFL. A lot of people thought jpp was gonna bust and was overrated too

                        Coming out of college JPP was praised for his upside! Why? The very one reason is because he had a verrrry rare wingspan and length. 81 inch wingspan and 36 inch arms! He was seen as an athletic freak coming out and had so much upside

                        Brockers has an even LONGER wingspan at 83 inches and 35 inch arms. He has amazing upside and is going to be great at rushing the passer in the nfl. He is very raw just like JPP coming out too. JPP showed flashes of greatness and so did Brockers. If JPP had so much upside coming out but Brockers doesnt?[/quote] For the life of me I cant figure out why you are comparing a 310 pound DT to a 270 pound DE as a valid comparison.
                        Have u seen Brockers play? In no shape way or form does he remind me of JPP. Its not because of how raw he is either. He just isnt the same kind of player .the only thing that they both have his length.Brockers reminds me of Chris Canty and in fact Id say Canty was quicker then Brockers at Virginia.

                        Im not even saying I dislike Brockers as a prospect just wouldnt rate a non pass rushing DT that high

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                          [quote user="Redeyejedi"][quote user="nevada11"][quote user="Redeyejedi"]Have U watched tape at all. Brockers is not explosive. He wasnt on the field on passing downs. What does that tell u

                          JPP has nothing to do with this at all. He isnt close to the same player as Brockers.[/quote]

                          its so easy to say that now because you have watched JPP pan out in the NFL. A lot of people thought jpp was gonna bust and was overrated too

                          Coming out of college JPP was praised for his upside! Why? The very one reason is because he had a verrrry rare wingspan and length. 81 inch wingspan and 36 inch arms! He was seen as an athletic freak coming out and had so much upside

                          Brockers has an even LONGER wingspan at 83 inches and 35 inch arms. He has amazing upside and is going to be great at rushing the passer in the nfl. He is very raw just like JPP coming out too. JPP showed flashes of greatness and so did Brockers. If JPP had so much upside coming out but Brockers doesnt?[/quote] For the life of me I cant figure out why you are comparing a 310 pound DT to a 270 pound DE as a valid comparison.
                          Have u seen Brockers play? In no shape way or form does he remind me of JPP. Its not because of how raw he is either. He just isnt the same kind of player .the only thing that they both have his length.Brockers reminds me of Chris Canty and in fact Id say Canty was quicker then Brockers at Virginia.

                          Im not even saying I dislike Brockers as a prospect just wouldnt rate a non pass rushing DT that high[/quote]

                          Im comparing the upside. obviously they play different positions and have different responsibilities

                          jpp did not look good at usf. he was gettin blown out of holes against the run and kept falling down by losing his balance. he looked bad at college to and only showed flashes of greatness just like brockers. but he was RAW

                          Brockers is RAW with immense upside because of his size like JPP. Aint quick? He is raw! He can learn how to be aware and time off the snap better so he can be quicker and the first guy moving off the ball. He has only been playing football for so long. The scouting report on NFP says if he learns how to play lower off the ball he can be more explosive. He hasnt even played at his weight for very long!

                          That is why he has so much upside he is incredibly raw but can improve. JPP had 36 inch arms and an 81 inch wingspan and everyone loved his upside!! Same for Brockers!! They are just really raw and look bad in some areas in games but you must know the upside with them. I didnt say he IS jpp just the defensive tackle version of JPP

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                            [quote user="Redeyejedi"][quote user="nevada11"][quote user="Redeyejedi"]Have U watched tape at all. Brockers is not explosive. He wasnt on the field on passing downs. What does that tell u

                            JPP has nothing to do with this at all. He isnt close to the same player as Brockers.[/quote]

                            its so easy to say that now because you have watched JPP pan out in the NFL. A lot of people thought jpp was gonna bust and was overrated too

                            Coming out of college JPP was praised for his upside! Why? The very one reason is because he had a verrrry rare wingspan and length. 81 inch wingspan and 36 inch arms! He was seen as an athletic freak coming out and had so much upside

                            Brockers has an even LONGER wingspan at 83 inches and 35 inch arms. He has amazing upside and is going to be great at rushing the passer in the nfl. He is very raw just like JPP coming out too. JPP showed flashes of greatness and so did Brockers. If JPP had so much upside coming out but Brockers doesnt?[/quote] For the life of me I cant figure out why you are comparing a 310 pound DT to a 270 pound DE as a valid comparison.
                            Have u seen Brockers play? In no shape way or form does he remind me of JPP. Its not because of how raw he is either. He just isnt the same kind of player .the only thing that they both have his length.Brockers reminds me of Chris Canty and in fact Id say Canty was quicker then Brockers at Virginia.

                            Im not even saying I dislike Brockers as a prospect just wouldnt rate a non pass rushing DT that high[/quote]

                            My only caveat here is that Brockers is very young as well as raw... He's added so much mass in the last 2 years, I highly doubt he really has much of a feel for his body at all. Pass rushing demands a certain grace, agility, and flexibility, that I don't think he's had a chance to develop yet. He may never... but he might, just like JPP. Same with strength. So much of strength is in the mind-muscle connection and getting your body to do what you want, when you want. Young guys just don't have that.

                            Right now, all he has is his size. He is a BIG kid, so that's what he uses. But if he can put it all together, that is a scary dude.

                            Brockers probably SHOULD have stayed in college for another year, maybe 2.

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                              [quote user="Raptor22"][quote user="Redeyejedi"][quote user="nevada11"][quote user="Redeyejedi"]Have U watched tape at all. Brockers is not explosive. He wasnt on the field on passing downs. What does that tell u

                              JPP has nothing to do with this at all. He isnt close to the same player as Brockers.[/quote]

                              its so easy to say that now because you have watched JPP pan out in the NFL. A lot of people thought jpp was gonna bust and was overrated too

                              Coming out of college JPP was praised for his upside! Why? The very one reason is because he had a verrrry rare wingspan and length. 81 inch wingspan and 36 inch arms! He was seen as an athletic freak coming out and had so much upside

                              Brockers has an even LONGER wingspan at 83 inches and 35 inch arms. He has amazing upside and is going to be great at rushing the passer in the nfl. He is very raw just like JPP coming out too. JPP showed flashes of greatness and so did Brockers. If JPP had so much upside coming out but Brockers doesnt?[/quote] For the life of me I cant figure out why you are comparing a 310 pound DT to a 270 pound DE as a valid comparison.
                              Have u seen Brockers play? In no shape way or form does he remind me of JPP. Its not because of how raw he is either. He just isnt the same kind of player .the only thing that they both have his length.Brockers reminds me of Chris Canty and in fact Id say Canty was quicker then Brockers at Virginia.

                              Im not even saying I dislike Brockers as a prospect just wouldnt rate a non pass rushing DT that high[/quote]

                              My only caveat here is that Brockers is very young as well as raw... He's added so much mass in the last 2 years, I highly doubt he really has much of a feel for his body at all. Pass rushing demands a certain grace, agility, and flexibility, that I don't think he's had a chance to develop yet. He may never... but he might, just like JPP. Same with strength. So much of strength is in the mind-muscle connection and getting your body to do what you want, when you want. Young guys just don't have that.

                              Right now, all he has is his size. He is a BIG kid, so that's what he uses. But if he can put it all together, that is a scary dude.

                              Brockers probably SHOULD have stayed in college for another year, maybe 2.
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                              Thank you! Its an adjustment playing at that weight. Can you imagine when this kid puts it all together with his JPP-like wingspan playing in the interior? He will be unblockable in the NFL

                              I really really think if JPP come out a lot of people in this thread would say his upside and athleticism was overrated. And you know what, a lot of people did! Not many knew JPP was going to be the slam dunk player he was now. A lot of people thought he was boom or bust

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                                [quote user="nevada11"][quote user="Raptor22"][quote user="Redeyejedi"][quote user="nevada11"][quote user="Redeyejedi"]Have U watched tape at all. Brockers is not explosive. He wasnt on the field on passing downs. What does that tell u

                                JPP has nothing to do with this at all. He isnt close to the same player as Brockers.[/quote]

                                its so easy to say that now because you have watched JPP pan out in the NFL. A lot of people thought jpp was gonna bust and was overrated too

                                Coming out of college JPP was praised for his upside! Why? The very one reason is because he had a verrrry rare wingspan and length. 81 inch wingspan and 36 inch arms! He was seen as an athletic freak coming out and had so much upside

                                Brockers has an even LONGER wingspan at 83 inches and 35 inch arms. He has amazing upside and is going to be great at rushing the passer in the nfl. He is very raw just like JPP coming out too. JPP showed flashes of greatness and so did Brockers. If JPP had so much upside coming out but Brockers doesnt?[/quote] For the life of me I cant figure out why you are comparing a 310 pound DT to a 270 pound DE as a valid comparison.
                                Have u seen Brockers play? In no shape way or form does he remind me of JPP. Its not because of how raw he is either. He just isnt the same kind of player .the only thing that they both have his length.Brockers reminds me of Chris Canty and in fact Id say Canty was quicker then Brockers at Virginia.

                                Im not even saying I dislike Brockers as a prospect just wouldnt rate a non pass rushing DT that high[/quote]

                                My only caveat here is that Brockers is very young as well as raw... He's added so much mass in the last 2 years, I highly doubt he really has much of a feel for his body at all. Pass rushing demands a certain grace, agility, and flexibility, that I don't think he's had a chance to develop yet. He may never... but he might, just like JPP. Same with strength. So much of strength is in the mind-muscle connection and getting your body to do what you want, when you want. Young guys just don't have that.

                                Right now, all he has is his size. He is a BIG kid, so that's what he uses. But if he can put it all together, that is a scary dude.

                                Brockers probably SHOULD have stayed in college for another year, maybe 2.
                                [/quote]

                                Thank you! Its an adjustment playing at that weight. Can you imagine when this kid puts it all together with his JPP-like wingspan playing in the interior? He will be unblockable in the NFL

                                I really really think if JPP come out a lot of people in this thread would say his upside and athleticism was overrated. And you know what, a lot of people did! Not many knew JPP was going to be the slam dunk player he was now. A lot of people thought he was boom or bust[/quote]Funny how u ignored my comment about him carrying the weight as I mentioned it already.

                                Even with the added weight as a contributing factor which it could be. The comparison to JPP makes zero sense.Brockers no matter what can never attain that quickness
                                Why dont U compare him to a guy that plays the same position.U want to tell me he could maybe develop into Richard Seymour I might buy it.

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