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  • Re: A look at the 2012 NFL draft

    [quote user="nevada11"]I'm making excuses and never watched brockers play lmfao

    again i look foward to brockers proving everyone wrong. i am not going to even bother trying to take your words instead of the words of scouts that have been doing these things for years[/quote]

    And you have seen scouts compare Brockers to JPP as a pass rusher? Or that brockers is a raw athlete with upside like JPP?

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      [quote user="nevada11"]I'm making excuses and never watched brockers play lmfao

      again i look foward to brockers proving everyone wrong. i am not going to even bother trying to take your words instead of the words of scouts that have been doing these things for years[/quote]

      Ugh.

      i AM taking the words of those scouts. When rob rang says "flashes just enough quickness" its kind of a polite way of saying he isnt really quick at all. What he means by flashes, is that Brockers shows quickness "sometimes" and consequently on the rare occassions he does actually show it -- Rang also states it's just "enough"

      In other words, he isn't really quick at all.

      I was just using your own supportive example against you. You're losing this argument, man. Now if you'd tell me a game where Brockers showed significant pressure on the passer where he was able to push the pocket immediately and split the G/C to collapse the pocket, you'd have a point. Thing is though, Brockers like redeye said was subbed out on passing downs quite a lot.

      What those scouting reports DO however suggest, is that he's an excellent run stuffer with great diagnosis skills and can put power moves on o-lineman with his length. That's it honestly dude

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        [quote user="Neverend"][quote user="nevada11"]I'm making excuses and never watched brockers play lmfao

        again i look foward to brockers proving everyone wrong. i am not going to even bother trying to take your words instead of the words of scouts that have been doing these things for years[/quote]

        Ugh.

        i AM taking the words of those scouts. When rob rang says "flashes just enough quickness" its kind of a polite way of saying he isnt really quick at all. What he means by flashes, is that Brockers shows quickness "sometimes" and consequently on the rare occassions he does actually show it -- Rang also states it's just "enough"

        In other words, he isn't really quick at all.

        I was just using your own supportive example against you. You're losing this argument, man. Now if you'd tell me a game where Brockers showed significant pressure on the passer where he was able to push the pocket immediately and split the G/C to collapse the pocket, you'd have a point. Thing is though, Brockers like redeye said was subbed out on passing downs quite a lot.

        What those scouting reports DO however suggest, is that he's an excellent run stuffer with great diagnosis skills and can put power moves on o-lineman with his length. That's it honestly dude[/quote]

        OMG!!

        Exactly. FLASH. He flashes great pressure! He is just inconsistent and raw. That's why he said FLASH. If he wasn't quick and a blossoming pass rusher and supposedly "lied" then why the hell would Rob rang say it in the first place?

        You can interpret those words your way.. ill interpret it my way. u kno what my way is??? He has great upside

        tell me all you want redeye about me never watching brockers. just because you make videos does not mean you are more qualified than scouts like ROB RANG who says brockers is a blossoming pass rusher who flashes greatness but is raw with so much upside

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          [quote user="slipknottin"]Brockers is a raw athlete with upside like JPP because he is inconsistent on film but shows flashes of greatness and potential and has rare wingspan and long arms?[/quote]

          Fix'd for ya

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            Well JPP and Brockers are completely different types of athletes too.

            Brockers probably is ideal as a 5t, length/size wise hes similar to a richard seymour.

            While JPP is closer to an ideal 4-3 DE size.

            So when they are saying blossoming pass rusher for Brockers, they mean he has the potential to be like a 6 sack a season guy. Which is really good for a 5t.

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              [quote user="nevada11"][quote user="Neverend"][quote user="nevada11"]I'm making excuses and never watched brockers play lmfao

              again i look foward to brockers proving everyone wrong. i am not going to even bother trying to take your words instead of the words of scouts that have been doing these things for years[/quote]

              Ugh.

              i AM taking the words of those scouts. When rob rang says "flashes just enough quickness" its kind of a polite way of saying he isnt really quick at all. What he means by flashes, is that Brockers shows quickness "sometimes" and consequently on the rare occassions he does actually show it -- Rang also states it's just "enough"

              In other words, he isn't really quick at all.

              I was just using your own supportive example against you. You're losing this argument, man. Now if you'd tell me a game where Brockers showed significant pressure on the passer where he was able to push the pocket immediately and split the G/C to collapse the pocket, you'd have a point. Thing is though, Brockers like redeye said was subbed out on passing downs quite a lot.

              What those scouting reports DO however suggest, is that he's an excellent run stuffer with great diagnosis skills and can put power moves on o-lineman with his length. That's it honestly dude[/quote]

              OMG!!

              Exactly. FLASH. He flashes great pressure! He is just inconsistent and raw. That's why he said FLASH. If he wasn't quick and a blossoming pass rusher and supposedly "lied" then why the hell would Rob rang say it in the first place?

              You can interpret those words your way.. ill interpret it my way. u kno what my way is??? He has great upside

              tell me all you want redeye about me never watching brockers. just because you make videos does not mean you are more qualified than scouts like ROB RANG who says brockers is a blossoming pass rusher who flashes greatness but is raw with so much upside[/quote]Never argued he wasnt raw or didnt have upside. I just dont think he is or will be an elite inside pass rusher. I know for a fact he will never rush the QB like JPP

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                [quote user="slipknottin"]Well JPP and Brockers are completely different types of athletes too.

                Brockers probably is ideal as a 5t, length/size wise hes similar to a richard seymour.

                While JPP is closer to an ideal 4-3 DE size.

                So when they are saying blossoming pass rusher for Brockers, they mean he has the potential to be like a 6 sack a season guy. Which is really good for a 5t.[/quote] I gave him the name Seymour who averages 5 sacks a season and a far cry from JPP as a pass rusher. The thing is Seymour was so much quicker off the snap then him coming out.The Combine numbers not even close.

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                  [quote user="nevada11"]You can interpret those words your way.. ill interpret it my way. u kno what my way is??? He has great upside[/quote]

                  Okay, I get it. You interpret his upside as being the next JPP who is going to have 16 sacks. As unrealistic as that is

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                    [quote user="Redeyejedi"]I gave him the name Seymour. The thing is Seymour was so much quicker off the snap then him coming out.The Combine numbers not even close.[/quote]

                    Yea, Brockers athleticism really didnt show up in the combine numbers really.

                    Though JPPs didnt either to be honest.

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                    • Re: A look at the 2012 NFL draft

                      [quote user="slipknottin"][quote user="Redeyejedi"]I gave him the name Seymour. The thing is Seymour was so much quicker off the snap then him coming out.The Combine numbers not even close.[/quote]

                      Yea, Brockers athleticism really didnt show up in the combine numbers really.

                      Though JPPs didnt either to be honest.[/quote]JPP's did show up on tape and in other ways like doing Back flips. Brockers doesnt show anything like that

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                        [quote user="Redeyejedi"]JPP's did show up on tape and in other ways like doing Back flips. Brockers doesnt show anything like that[/quote]

                        Yea two issues I have with the brockers and JPP comparison.

                        1. JPP has a phenomenal motor. He goes 100% every play without a doubt. Brockers absolutely does not.

                        2. JPP was dominant on college tape. Not consistent, but he was absolutely a force every game. Brockers rarely does much of anything.

                        Brockers college stats are what, 2 sacks and 9 tackles for a loss?

                        While JPP 17 tackles for a loss and 7 sacks...

                        Not really comparable from a production standpoint

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                        • Re: A look at the 2012 NFL draft

                          Never said he was JPP. I said the rawness, inconsistency, and upside is similar to JPP coming out

                          im tired of this. when brockers becomes an elite defensive tackle in the nfl and a great pass rusher ill rememember this..

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                            [quote user="nevada11"]Never said he was JPP. I said the rawness, inconsistency, and upside is similar to JPP coming out[/quote]

                            I can see that comparison.

                            im tired of this. when brockers becomes an elite defensive tackle in the nfl and a great pass rusher ill rememember this..
                            I honestly dont see him ever becoming a "great" pass rusher. Perhaps a good one. I think his upside is somewhere around 7 sacks a year. But more likely hes a 3-5 sack a year guy. And he has a long long road to go before he is even close to being a 3-5 sack a year guy

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                            • Re: A look at the 2012 NFL draft

                              [quote user="slipknottin"][quote user="nevada11"]Never said he was JPP. I said the rawness, inconsistency, and upside is similar to JPP coming out[/quote]

                              I can see that comparison.

                              im tired of this. when brockers becomes an elite defensive tackle in the nfl and a great pass rusher ill rememember this..
                              I honestly dont see him ever becoming a "great" pass rusher. Perhaps a good one. I think his upside is somewhere around 7 sacks a year. But more likely hes a 3-5 sack a year guy. And he has a long long road to go before he is even close to being a 3-5 sack a year guy[/quote] He can be a dominate 2 gap defender that will open up sacks for other players.To me he hasnt shown the quickness to be a great pass rusher. I think he will be like Canty at getting to the QB.So unless he improves his quickness at a level ive never seen before he wont offer anything more then that type of production. Run Defending though he is very,very good

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                              • Re: A look at the 2012 NFL draft

                                I was looking at an article, I believe on NFL.com as well as nfldraftscout.com

                                An interesting CB sleeper prospect that caught my attention is Chris Greenwood out of Division III Albion. Maybe he is worth a look in the 6th rd? His numbers at his proday workouts looked great---good 40 time, great explosion with good numbers with his vertical and broad jump. He also has good size and long arms.




                                redeye, nyc, slip, bluesanta---any info/input on this guy?





                                http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/09000...content_stream

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