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    [quote user="slipknottin"][quote user="Redeyejedi"]JPP's did show up on tape and in other ways like doing Back flips. Brockers doesnt show anything like that[/quote]

    Yea two issues I have with the brockers and JPP comparison.

    1. JPP has a phenomenal motor. He goes 100% every play without a doubt. Brockers absolutely does not.

    2. JPP was dominant on college tape. Not consistent, but he was absolutely a force every game. Brockers rarely does much of anything.

    Brockers college stats are what, 2 sacks and 9 tackles for a loss?

    While JPP 17 tackles for a loss and 7 sacks...

    Not really comparable from a production standpoint[/quote]Its more to do with the Quickness needed to be an elite inside pass rusher. Arm length isnt a factor. The best inside pass rusher in the draft is Melvin Ingram and has 30" arms. He has a lot of trouble with tackles because he doesnt have length but inside not much of a factor.Now if your talking every down 3 Tech's Fletcher Cox has the most pass rushing upside. Cox has a solid motor, Has Length, and Quickness. U give Fletcher Cox the right coaching he can be very disruptive. I think Brockers will be a guy that gets sacks more on the QB holding the ball to long, a missed assignment,Pressure from the edge that forces the QB to step up. With his length he could get a hand on a guy a pull him down. I think he will get clean up sacks. I just dont dont see him blowing through the A Gap on a consistent basis. Look at his tape and then his explosion numbers. Vert,10 yard dash very poor. I think his numbers reflect whats on tape though. If he had Fletcher Cox's 1.63 10 yard dash with this tape I might be more skeptical. Was it scheme or some other reason for explosion not showing up. The Numbers match the tape from where im standing

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      Who goes number 1 in 2013, Matt Barkley, Logan Thomas. Im so bored with 2012 prospects. Cant wait till I see who the Giants pick so I can go cut there tapes.
      Next year Im taking a different strategy with prospect cutting. This year I went and got all the big name performances to get the most views each week. Next year Im going to grab all the small school games first. Now I cant find any of the games I want but all the Big School games I can still get. No one seems to keep the small school games for very ling on there hard drive.

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        [quote user="slipknottin"][quote user="nevada11"]Never said he was JPP. I said the rawness, inconsistency, and upside is similar to JPP coming out[/quote] I can see that comparison.
        im tired of this. when brockers becomes an elite defensive tackle in the nfl and a great pass rusher ill rememember this..
        I honestly dont see him ever becoming a "great" pass rusher. Perhaps a good one. I think his upside is somewhere around 7 sacks a year. But more likely hes a 3-5 sack a year guy. And he has a long long road to go before he is even close to being a 3-5 sack a year guy[/quote]




        I'm going to stick my nose in here for a minute to add my 2 cents.




        IMO, the difference between him being "good" and "great" is his team. If he goes to lets say, the Giants who have JPP, Tuck, Osi, Kiwi, Joseph, Canty, then he could be a GREAT DT. If he goes to a team like the Jags or Bengals or Chiefs, he will probably just be good.




        I think he has big potential, actually, more then Poe. I think Poe is one of those late risers that shoot up the draft board because big man can run in underwear. They say he is top 10, yet I have failed to see much college film on him to make me believe that he is 1st round material.







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          [quote user="Redeyejedi"][quote user="slipknottin"][quote user="nevada11"]Never said he was JPP. I said the rawness, inconsistency, and upside is similar to JPP coming out[/quote]

          I can see that comparison.

          im tired of this. when brockers becomes an elite defensive tackle in the nfl and a great pass rusher ill rememember this..
          I honestly dont see him ever becoming a "great" pass rusher. Perhaps a good one. I think his upside is somewhere around 7 sacks a year. But more likely hes a 3-5 sack a year guy. And he has a long long road to go before he is even close to being a 3-5 sack a year guy[/quote] He can be a dominate 2 gap defender that will open up sacks for other players.To me he hasnt shown the quickness to be a great pass rusher. I think he will be like Canty at getting to the QB.So unless he improves his quickness at a level ive never seen before he wont offer anything more then that type of production. Run Defending though he is very,very good[/quote]

          You beat me to it. EXACTLY what I was going to say about Brockers.

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            Just added all my prospect videos together. I have 55 Hours worth of Draft Videos online. How insane is that

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              A lot of people seem to like Billy WInn. He has been productive over his career. Every game Ive seen ive never come away impressed. Maybe im watching the wrong games but I dont see the love for him

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                [quote user="Redeyejedi"]A lot of people seem to like Billy WInn. He has been productive over his career. Every game Ive seen ive never come away impressed. Maybe im watching the wrong games but I dont see the love for him[/quote]Maybe its the draft class and we're spoiled with all of the good DL prospects, because I feel the same way. He's good but he doesnt wow me
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                  [quote user="Redeyejedi"]A lot of people seem to like Billy WInn. He has been productive over his career. Every game Ive seen ive never come away impressed. Maybe im watching the wrong games but I dont see the love for him[/quote] Who likes him? Hes a bum! Most sites i see, have him going mid to late 3rd which is way further down then it used to be, when he was perdicted to be a 2nd rder almost everywhere u look.. I thought people were finally catching on, just like they finally seemed to do with Brandon Thompson, whos the original invisible man..lol Thompson and Winn have both fallen down mocks over time, since being basically consenus 1st/early 2nd at worst(thompson), to late 1st/early mid 2nd(for winn)...

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                    [quote user="Redeyejedi"]Who goes number 1 in 2013, Matt Barkley, Logan Thomas. Im so bored with 2012 prospects. Cant wait till I see who the Giants pick so I can go cut there tapes. Next year Im taking a different strategy with prospect cutting. This year I went and got all the big name performances to get the most views each week. Next year Im going to grab all the small school games first. Now I cant find any of the games I want but all the Big School games I can still get. No one seems to keep the small school games for very ling on there hard drive.[/quote] I think it depends on whos picking 1st overall, but most likely i see Matt Barkley as the Number 1 overall pick.. He really impressed me this past season..




                    I will say, i think Shoelace is gonna win the Heisman though.. I got a feeling Michigans gonna be Rose Bowl bound and Shoelace is gonna be Heisman bound... I love Fitzgerald Toussiant as well.. They got some issues though, but i think Denard Robsinson is gonna have a silly good season offensively.. The one question standing in there way in my opinon, is if Roy Roundtree, Jeremey Gallon, and Drew Dileo can step up in the pass catching game, and can the Dline produce minus Van Bergen and M.Martin? I cant wait for that Alabama/Michigan Sept 1st contest!!!!!!!




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                      [quote user="nycsportzfan"]

                      [quote user="Redeyejedi"]Who goes number 1 in 2013, Matt Barkley, Logan Thomas. Im so bored with 2012 prospects. Cant wait till I see who the Giants pick so I can go cut there tapes. Next year Im taking a different strategy with prospect cutting. This year I went and got all the big name performances to get the most views each week. Next year Im going to grab all the small school games first. Now I cant find any of the games I want but all the Big School games I can still get. No one seems to keep the small school games for very ling on there hard drive.[/quote] I think it depends on whos picking 1st overall, but most likely i see Matt Barkley as the Number 1 overall pick.. He really impressed me this past season..




                      I will say, i think Shoelace is gonna win the Heisman though.. I got a feeling Michigans gonna be Rose Bowl bound and Shoelace is gonna be Heisman bound... I love Fitzgerald Toussiant as well.. They got some issues though, but i think Denard Robsinson is gonna have a silly good season offensively.. The one question standing in there way in my opinon, is if Roy Roundtree, Jeremey Gallon, and Drew Dileo can step up in the pass catching game, and can the Dline produce minus Van Bergen and M.Martin? I cant wait for that Alabama/Michigan Sept 1st contest!!!!!!!




                      [/quote]

                      If Lattimore doesn't get run into the ground (BIG if), he's my early pick for the Heisman. If Ball can have a repeat performance, he'll be right there too. Barkley as well, but Lattimore is just a monster.

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                        Giants have signed Sean Locklear and traded for Keith Rivers today.. Heres my updated mock, with those moves in mind...




                        1. Doug Martin RB Boise St- I think RB is as big a need as any on this team, and the one positon where no one was added this offseason, and with bradshaws injury history, a bowling ball type back, who is a all around durable player would be a welcomed additon..




                        2. Vinny Curry DE Marshall- Don't know if he'll be on the board at this point, but if he is, i would not mind picking him.. Curry has big upside, and with loss of Tollefson and Tuck getting up there and OSI in last yr of contract, we could use another end..




                        3. Ladarious Green TE La Lafeyette- Great pass catcher, who lacks some in the blocking game, but could get better in that area, and he offers as much upside as any TE in this class, from a pass catching standpoint..




                        4. Jaye Howard DT Florida- I really like this penetrating DT.. He'd fit great into a rotation, especially on passing down, as a player who can get to the QB...




                        4. Aaron Henry S Wisconsin- Very underrated safety who has a all around game, and makes plays...




                        5. Traded for KEITH RIVERS




                        6. Danny Coale WR Va Tech- A huge sleeper of mine.. This kid can go over the middle, and has enough speed to get deep as well.. Has a nice thick frame, and great intangables...




                        7. Garth Gerhart C Arizona St- Most underrated C in class..

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                          green is overrated. i have watched him a lot. he is stiff. he is big and fast but he drops a lot of balls. he loses a lot of one-on-one 50/50 balls, he is an underachiever

                          i would rather take egnew than that overrated TE

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                            [quote user="Raptor22"][quote user="nycsportzfan"]

                            [quote user="Redeyejedi"]Who goes number 1 in 2013, Matt Barkley, Logan Thomas. Im so bored with 2012 prospects. Cant wait till I see who the Giants pick so I can go cut there tapes. Next year Im taking a different strategy with prospect cutting. This year I went and got all the big name performances to get the most views each week. Next year Im going to grab all the small school games first. Now I cant find any of the games I want but all the Big School games I can still get. No one seems to keep the small school games for very ling on there hard drive.[/quote] I think it depends on whos picking 1st overall, but most likely i see Matt Barkley as the Number 1 overall pick.. He really impressed me this past season..*




                            I will say, i think Shoelace is gonna win the Heisman though.. I got a feeling Michigans gonna be Rose Bowl bound and Shoelace is gonna be Heisman bound... I love Fitzgerald Toussiant as well.. They got some issues though, but i think Denard Robsinson is gonna have a silly good season offensively.. The one question standing in there way in my opinon, is if* Roy Roundtree, Jeremey Gallon, and Drew Dileo can step up in the pass catching game, and can the Dline produce minus Van Bergen and M.Martin?** I cant wait for that Alabama/Michigan* Sept 1st contest!!!!!!!*




                            *

                            [/quote]

                            If Lattimore doesn't get run into the ground (BIG if), he's my early pick for the Heisman. If Ball can have a repeat performance, he'll be right there too. Barkley as well, but Lattimore is just a monster.
                            [/quote]Spurrier will give him 40 carries a game if he can. I hope Spurrier doesnt ruin that kid. I wonder with a new Arkansas coach if Knile Davis will come out in the Supplemental draft

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                              [quote user="nycsportzfan"]


                              Giants have signed Sean Locklear and traded for Keith Rivers today.. Heres my updated mock, with those moves in mind...




                              1. Doug Martin RB Boise St- I think RB is as big a need as any on this team, and the one positon where no one was added this offseason, and with bradshaws injury history, a bowling ball type back, who is a all around durable player would be a welcomed additon..




                              2. Vinny Curry DE Marshall- Don't know if he'll be on the board at this point, but if he is, i would not mind picking him.. Curry has big upside, and with loss of Tollefson and Tuck getting up there and OSI in last yr of contract, we could use another end..




                              3. Ladarious Green TE La Lafeyette- Great pass catcher, who lacks some in the blocking game, but could get better in that area, and he offers as much upside as any TE in this class, from a pass catching standpoint..




                              4. Jaye Howard DT Florida- I really like this penetrating DT.. He'd fit great into a rotation, especially on passing down, as a player who can get to the QB...




                              4. Aaron Henry S Wisconsin- Very underrated safety who has a all around game, and makes plays...




                              5. Traded for KEITH RIVERS




                              6. Danny Coale WR Va Tech- A huge sleeper of mine.. This kid can go over the middle, and has enough speed to get deep as well.. Has a nice thick frame, and great intangables...




                              7. Garth Gerhart C Arizona St- Most underrated C in class..




                              [/quote]Pretty nice mock there nyc. That mock would be ok with me. I wouldn't mind Egnew in the 4th or possibly Hannah from Oklahoma in the 6th? I like both WRs from Va Tech--Coale and Boykin. I know you took a safety in Henry, but I would not mind another CB, should they be the BPA on Reese's board in a particular rd.







                              I like Curry in the 2nd, but also like Chandler Jones or maybe Branch.

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                                [quote user="nevada11"]green is overrated. i have watched him a lot. he is stiff. he is big and fast but he drops a lot of balls. he loses a lot of one-on-one 50/50 balls, he is an underachiever i would rather take egnew than that overrated TE[/quote] Egnew sucks.. He has no upside at all, and Green's upside is through the roof. With a good TE coach, Green could become a star in this league, i see Egnew as just another guy, in a long list of Mizzo TE's that end up being just another guy... Green has produced when given the chance against TOP competiton all ready, going 4recpt 87yrd 1td against GA, and 6recept 64yrd against LSU..




                                Egnew isn't gonna beat u vertically either, and Green is very capable of doing that, as well as underneath.. Green is more of a redzone threat as well, and simply capable of scoring more, because of his ability to go anywhere on the feild, as opposed to just mainly underneath stuff.. I'll take Green over Egnew everyday and twice on sundays.. Its not even close really..

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