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  • Oh ya, by the way, my man Kawaan Short DT Purdue, who everyone knows i freaking love, not only had a sack, but also 2blocked kicks in his first game.. Imagine him and JPP blocking Ex pts?

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    • Originally posted by nycsportzfan View Post
      Oh ya, by the way, my man Kawaan Short DT Purdue, who everyone knows i freaking love, not only had a sack, but also 2blocked kicks in his first game.. Imagine him and JPP blocking Ex pts?
      I did not see the game, so I am not commenting here I am just passing on someone else's opinion but CBSsports did not care for his performance:

      09/04/12 - BIG TEN: PLAYERS WHOSE NFL DRAFT STOCK IS FALLING: Kawann Short, Purdue: The senior defensive tackle who returned for his final year didn't have a stellar season-opening debut. Short had just one tackle (a sack) in the Boilermakers' 48-6 rout of Eastern Kentucky. At 6-3, 310-pounds, Short came into the season as one of the top tackles in the conference but he'll need to have a bigger impact against a far superior opponent. You can see him next: Purdue at Notre Dame, 3:30 p.m. ET (NBC). - Mike Singer, CBSSports.com

      I am not sure I consider him a very good passrusher either. From what I have seen he is more of a strong run stuffer. I think the reason he came back was to work on his passrush technique. If he can solidy that part of his game he will be a monster.
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      • Originally posted by BlueSanta View Post
        I did not see the game, so I am not commenting here I am just passing on someone else's opinion but CBSsports did not care for his performance:

        09/04/12 - BIG TEN: PLAYERS WHOSE NFL DRAFT STOCK IS FALLING: Kawann Short, Purdue: The senior defensive tackle who returned for his final year didn't have a stellar season-opening debut. Short had just one tackle (a sack) in the Boilermakers' 48-6 rout of Eastern Kentucky. At 6-3, 310-pounds, Short came into the season as one of the top tackles in the conference but he'll need to have a bigger impact against a far superior opponent. You can see him next: Purdue at Notre Dame, 3:30 p.m. ET (NBC). - Mike Singer, CBSSports.com

        I am not sure I consider him a very good passrusher either. From what I have seen he is more of a strong run stuffer. I think the reason he came back was to work on his passrush technique. If he can solidy that part of his game he will be a monster.
        This is off Walts site, and i would certainly question a article that dosen't mention not 1 but 2blocked kicks in the same game, don't u think? Also, they won 48-6 for godsake.. I would have to wonder how much he was on the field in the 2nd half of that one... As far as pass rusher, he had 6sacks and 6.5 sacks the past 2yrs to go along with like 29.5 TFL, and started this yr with a sack and 2blocked kicks.. I think hes got like 4or5 blocked kicks for his career as well now.. Don't know what else hes gotta do?

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        Kawann Short, DT, Purdue. Previous Rank: 18
        9/7/12: Short had an impressive start to his senior season with a sack and two blocked kicks. Short will have a nice battle this week against Notre Dame.

        8/9/12: Short totaled 54 tackles with 17 tackles for a loss, 6.5 sacks and one forced fumble in 2011. He was quiet in the early going, but really played well in the the second half of the season. The 6-foot-4, 310-pounder is a quick gap-shooting tackle who looks like a natural three-technique defensive tackle for a 4-3 defense.

        Short benefited greatly from Ryan Kerrigan in his first two years. Short recorded six sacks and 12.5 tackles for a loss next to Kerrigan in 2010. Short also had 41 tackles with two blocked kicks.

        The senior is strong and athletic. Purdue does an excellent job of producing quality NFL defensive linemen, and Short appears to be the next in line

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        • Originally posted by nycsportzfan View Post
          This is off Walts site, and i would certainly question a article that dosen't mention not 1 but 2blocked kicks in the same game, don't u think? Also, they won 48-6 for godsake.. I would have to wonder how much he was on the field in the 2nd half of that one... As far as pass rusher, he had 6sacks and 6.5 sacks the past 2yrs to go along with like 29.5 TFL, and started this yr with a sack and 2blocked kicks.. I think hes got like 4or5 blocked kicks for his career as well now.. Don't know what else hes gotta do?

          Top-25 Prospects:


          Kawann Short, DT, Purdue. Previous Rank: 18
          9/7/12: Short had an impressive start to his senior season with a sack and two blocked kicks. Short will have a nice battle this week against Notre Dame.

          8/9/12: Short totaled 54 tackles with 17 tackles for a loss, 6.5 sacks and one forced fumble in 2011. He was quiet in the early going, but really played well in the the second half of the season. The 6-foot-4, 310-pounder is a quick gap-shooting tackle who looks like a natural three-technique defensive tackle for a 4-3 defense.

          Short benefited greatly from Ryan Kerrigan in his first two years. Short recorded six sacks and 12.5 tackles for a loss next to Kerrigan in 2010. Short also had 41 tackles with two blocked kicks.

          The senior is strong and athletic. Purdue does an excellent job of producing quality NFL defensive linemen, and Short appears to be the next in line
          Ya, I take your word on the game performance since I didnt see it. Although, I still think he has some proving to do in the pass rushing skills. He is very good at gap control for sure, and he plays the run superbly.
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          • 6-6.5 sacks is actually not a bad number coming from the interior. Maybe you assume that number goes down when transitioning from the collegiate level to the pros. But I'm certain teams would happily take 6 sacks per 12 game seasons along with the ability to halt the run.

            I like Short, but I thought of him as redundant on the line [unless the Giants really like the bigger stacked look we've had this season]. If I had to guess, I think they'd like to get more explosiveness at the 3 to replace Canty, but I wouldn't put it past Reese and Nunn to go heavy with both tackles, and simply utilize their pass rushers in other ways on known passing downs. I guess it's just how they wish to skin the cat.

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            • Originally posted by BlueSanta View Post
              Ya, I take your word on the game performance since I didnt see it. Although, I still think he has some proving to do in the pass rushing skills. He is very good at gap control for sure, and he plays the run superbly.
              Add another 2sacks to Kawaan Shorts total.. He had 4tackles and 2sacks against ND yesterday.. So now through 2games, hes got 3sacks and 2blocked kicks.. Pass rushing is what he does...

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              • Originally posted by penguinfarmer View Post
                6-6.5 sacks is actually not a bad number coming from the interior. Maybe you assume that number goes down when transitioning from the collegiate level to the pros. But I'm certain teams would happily take 6 sacks per 12 game seasons along with the ability to halt the run.

                I like Short, but I thought of him as redundant on the line [unless the Giants really like the bigger stacked look we've had this season]. If I had to guess, I think they'd like to get more explosiveness at the 3 to replace Canty, but I wouldn't put it past Reese and Nunn to go heavy with both tackles, and simply utilize their pass rushers in other ways on known passing downs. I guess it's just how they wish to skin the cat.
                well, not to mention u play less games in college then the pros.. As i said, he had a 2sack game yesterday as well.. I don't know how many TFL he has, but he now has 3sacks through 2games.. Mayock was giddy when talking about Kawaan Short yesterday.. He loves em..

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                • Originally posted by nycsportzfan View Post
                  well, not to mention u play less games in college then the pros.. As i said, he had a 2sack game yesterday as well.. I don't know how many TFL he has, but he now has 3sacks through 2games.. Mayock was giddy when talking about Kawaan Short yesterday.. He loves em..
                  I did get to see him yesterday. He looked very solid. I think his game yesterday was exactly what he needed too. 2 sacks vs solid compe***ion.
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                  • Sitting here watching the Skins Saints game I gotta mention that I said months ago that Alfred Morris was 1 of the most underrated draft prospects. Here he is a 6th round pick for the skins and the starting RB looking very good.
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                    • Originally posted by BlueSanta View Post
                      I did get to see him yesterday. He looked very solid. I think his game yesterday was exactly what he needed too. 2 sacks vs solid compe***ion.
                      Agreed... Hes a beast dude! Outside of the olineman, which to be honest, i see Jake Matthews and Ricky Wagner some yesterday(they plaeyd same time), and i'm thinking Kawaan Short as of right now over all 3, if they were all on the board at the same time.. I wasen't overly impressed with either tackle.. Obviously Barrett Jones would still be my dream scenario.. He looked flawless at Center..

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                      • Doug Martin with a 24carry 95yrd 4catch 23yrd first game to his NFL career.. Thats what i mean when i was saying a guy who can shoulder a full load with that body type very similar to Ray Rice and MJD.. His bodys built to take punishment and he has no weakness to his game what so ever.. Not that he was great YPC wise, but overall he really played well and has easily solitifyed his self as the guy in TB, right away.. Big diffrence between David Wilsons debut and Doug Martins.. Super early still of coure..

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                        • Some of the worst play calling i've ever seen in Seattle game.. They got first and goal from the 4 and they have Russell wilson under center and doing qucik 2step drop and throw fades.. Extremely hard to complete and not exactly what Russell WIlsons fortay is.. All u had to do was a playaction bootleg and get Russell Wilson rolling out and either a TE or FB possibly would be wideopen and gives u a chacne to let WIlson use his feet.. Its a play u just must try in that situation.. If not at least get Wilson in the shotgun and let him have as much time as possible.. Hes the type of player u want to draw a play out as hes got great poise and improvatzation skills.. Just having quick 2step drop launch a fade to corner of the endzone with man coverege is 50/50 chance.. Both plays were extemely hard to execute...

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                          • Originally posted by nycsportzfan View Post
                            Doug Martin with a 24carry 95yrd 4catch 23yrd first game to his NFL career.. Thats what i mean when i was saying a guy who can shoulder a full load with that body type very similar to Ray Rice and MJD.. His bodys built to take punishment and he has no weakness to his game what so ever.. Not that he was great YPC wise, but overall he really played well and has easily solitifyed his self as the guy in TB, right away.. Big diffrence between David Wilsons debut and Doug Martins.. Super early still of coure..
                            He kinda did what was expected of him, but he also didnt do a lot more either. I do think Tampa is much improved this year over last but that largely because of their defense, which was outstanding today.

                            Martin was always expected to be the better back out of the gates, as he is more nfl ready but then again he is 2+ years older than Wilson.

                            I know scouts and stuff like to compare his "body type" to the guys you mentioned, but that is VERY misleading too. In fact, if you compare the height/weights of MJD and Ray Rice coming out of college, they are much closer to Wilson than Martin.

                            Just comparing apples to apples here are each players height/wieght/age at the time they were drafted:

                            Ray Rice was 5'8 195lbs at the combine(21 yrs old)
                            MJD was 5'7 206(21 years old)
                            David Wilson 5'9 206(20 years old)
                            Doug Martin 5'9 223(23 years old)

                            As you can see, David Wilson is a full 2+ years younger than Doug Martin. In 2010( when Doug was the same age David Wilson is right now) he was listed at 5'9 201 lbs.

                            So in reality if you compare each player at the same point of development, they are all remarkably similar. Martin just came out at an older age than any of the other guys. That is a good thing for his short term sucess, but might not be such a good thing at the end of his rookie contract when he finds more wear on his treads because he was a feature back and he will be 27/28 years old, which is kind of up there for a RB in the NFL.

                            I still think Wilson is a better long term prospect.

                            Also lets face it, the Bucs went with him as their starter out of necessity. Blount reportedly has a caloric intake problem, questionable work ethic and an affinity for the ice tub. The Giants have the luxury of a proven character guy in Bradshaw to lead DW and help him develope. So nobody expects DW to get the carries Martin will in this 1st season.
                            Last edited by BlueSanta; 09-09-2012, 10:23 PM.
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                            • Originally posted by BlueSanta View Post
                              He kinda did what was expected of him, but he also didnt do a lot more either. I do think Tampa is much improved this year over last but that largely because of their defense, which was outstanding today.

                              Martin was always expected to be the better back out of the gates, as he is more nfl ready but then again he is 2+ years older than Wilson.

                              I know scouts and stuff like to compare his "body type" to the guys you mentioned, but that is VERY misleading too. In fact, if you compare the height/weights of MJD and Ray Rice coming out of college, they are much closer to Wilson than Martin.

                              Just comparing apples to apples here are each players height/wieght/age at the time they were drafted:

                              Ray Rice was 5'8 195lbs at the combine(21 yrs old)
                              MJD was 5'7 206(21 years old)
                              David Wilson 5'9 206(20 years old)
                              Doug Martin 5'9 223(23 years old)

                              As you can see, David Wilson is a full 2+ years younger than Doug Martin. In 2010( when Doug was the same age David Wilson is right now) he was listed at 5'9 201 lbs.

                              So in reality if you compare each player at the same point of development, they are all remarkably similar. Martin just came out at an older age than any of the other guys. That is a good thing for his short term sucess, but might not be such a good thing at the end of his rookie contract when he finds more wear on his treads because he was a feature back and he will be 27/28 years old, which is kind of up there for a RB in the NFL.

                              I still think Wilson is a better long term prospect.

                              Also lets face it, the Bucs went with him as their starter out of necessity. Blount reportedly has a caloric intake problem, questionable work ethic and an affinity for the ice tub. The Giants have the luxury of a proven character guy in Bradshaw to lead DW and help him develope. So nobody expects DW to get the carries Martin will in this 1st season.
                              20lbs at that size is quite a diffrence.. And R.Rice and MJD are certainly more similar to Martin then Wilson, and i don't think that would be to much in disagrement, no matter who u speak to.. Doug Martin is a carry the load RB in the mold of MJD and Rice,a nd i don't think Wilson is that guy.. I think wilson will always need or have a guy(probably a bigger guy) that gets a decent chunk of carries..

                              Doug Martins a closer and grinder as well.. The dude put Carolina away with a 55yrd 3catch 2nd half... It was a close game, and when the bucs defense started to buckle some, Martin was the one they called upon, and he completely answered the bell, in only his 1st start of his NFL career.. I feel shoulder the load backs that have pretty much no weaknesses are the only kinda backs to be taken in RD 1... Wilson is gonna be a good back, but i don't know if hes gonna be a 1st rd type back.. We shall see, but this very early part of the NFL season, Doug Martin has played pretty much exactly how i expected.. He smoked through the bucs depth chart(he certainly did have to beat out Blount, who started 1st pre season game), and litteraly lead the bucs offense to a WIN today.. If they didn't have Doug Martin today, they simply don't win..

                              Martin had nearly half of TB's total yards today.. not bad for a Rookies first start of his career..

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                              • also lets not forget, Martin plays in a offense that defenses can focus alot more of the run then u can against the giants.. Vince Jackson and Mike Williams are solid, and Josh Freeman is OK, but there no Cruz, Nicks, and Eli, thats for sure.. Martin Gained 55of his 95 yrds after contact today, and 58pct after contact last yr at Boise.. Thats the type of dude that wears down a defense right there.. Josh Freeman was crap in the 2nd half, and Carolina was bound to catch up to em if not for Doug Martin..



                                By the way, We got a David Wilson VS Doug Martin battle this week!!!lol Pretty Ironic, ey Santa man??? The giants should be better against the run this week, so Martin could be a tad more unproductive(hopefully much more unproductive)..lol

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