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  • Originally posted by nycsportzfan View Post
    Time for the WEEKLY Mock.. Unfortunetly we lost this past week, in a game we certainly should of won.. Either way our Run defense was grossly bad and we need to get a stud at LB in my opinion in the first few rds.. I got us picking 29th after the loss.. Anyways, here we go..

    RD1.. Eric Reid S L.S.U- KP will probably be gone,a nd we just don't know how long Brown can keep up his great play, and even if he does, depth is a issue. Reid is a enforcer out there with sky is the limit potential.. I think if hes on the board this late, hes well worth the risk..

    RD2.. Michael Mauti ILB Penn St- One of my fave players in the country, the kid would fit our defense like a glove, and plays with a tenacity on defense and never takes plays off.. Herzlich was a liability this past week, and outside of splash plays, Blackburn has also been a liability of sorts.. We need a young stud at ILB for the future..

    RD3.. Jordan Hill DT Penn St- Not super heavy by any stretch, Jordan Hill can rush the passer and make plays behind the line.. He seems like a perfect fit side by side with Linval Joseph.. I really like the Penn st defense this yr, and Mauti and Hill kinda lead the group.. So i don't mind double dipping from there in RDs 2and3..

    RD4.. Brian Winters OT Kent St- Kinda under the radar T prospect from small school Kent St.. Reminds me of T.J Lang from a few yrs ago.. Winters could give Brewer nice comp going forward for RT positon and maybe eventually take over for Snee when the time comes at G..

    RD5.. Jake Stoneburner TE Ohio St- I spoke about him in last weeks mock.. I like his upside and pass catching ability. I think he could become a nice safety valve for ELI and possibly a future starter for us.. Could use a few more lb's, but has the frame for it, i believe..

    RD6.. Knile Davis RB Arkansas- Simply a value pick.. Dude was perdicted to go in RD 1 as of last yr, and injury occured and hasen't performed as expected this yr, and stock has plummeted.. If hes on the board this late, i could see Reese rolling the dice on the burly RB.. He'd complement David Wilson and Andre Brown nicely going forward, and if were to lose Andre Brown, Wilson and Davis could form a nice duo going forward.. Either way, another RD isn't a bad idea, if the value is there.

    RD7... Braxston Cave C N.Dame- This kid is a qualtiy center.. Notre Dame is running the ball fantastically this season and Cave is one reason why.. Hes got a solid NFL frame and if we think Baas is to pricey to keep going forward, we could add a c to challenge Cordle down the line..
    Depending on where we pick. I would like

    1st - Manti T'eo or Kevin Minter
    2nd - Tharold Simon

    Still working on 3-5 rounds. subject to change, leaning towards OL from 3-4 then DT 5th
    Would like to bring in Tyrann Mathieu as a UDFA tryout and based on if the coaches can get this kid on the right track sign him to a low risk deal. Too much raw talent, just too much.

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    • Originally posted by rainierjef View Post
      I just find it funny that fan's believe everything that Reese tells them. They don't bother to look at the college games, watch a couple of highlights with music. Nothing against Wilson, but to say he was number one on the giants board over martin is just stupid.
      I still believe him, or I understand his logic. Again, you cannot discount the age difference in these 2 players. Its almost 3 years. Furthemore, I doubt any person on these board saw Wilson play more in college than I did, and I completely understand why he was rated so high by Reese. I also understand why Martin was rated so high by Tampa. fact is, they are both going to be good.


      3 years ago, Doug Martin was actually smaller than Wilson is right now. That's how much those 3 years matter just in physical stature, not to mention maturity. Martin was clearly the better pick for today, but what about tomorrow?

      When Wilson is coming to the end of his rookie contract, he will be about the same age as Martin is now. There is just way too much football left to be played to answer definitively.

      Furthermore, Martin went to a team that plays rookie RBs. Wilson did not.
      Last edited by BlueSanta; 11-06-2012, 05:03 PM.
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      • Originally posted by rainierjef View Post
        Depending on where we pick. I would like

        1st - Manti T'eo or Kevin Minter
        2nd - Tharold Simon

        Still working on 3-5 rounds. subject to change, leaning towards OL from 3-4 then DT 5th
        Would like to bring in Tyrann Mathieu as a UDFA tryout and based on if the coaches can get this kid on the right track sign him to a low risk deal. Too much raw talent, just too much.
        We will have to stay on the suck train to have a chance to draft T'eo. His stock is soaring, especially for 3-4 teams.
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        • Originally posted by BlueSanta View Post
          We will have to stay on the suck train to have a chance to draft T'eo. His stock is soaring, especially for 3-4 teams.
          Kevin Minter would not be that much far off. Either of the two would work for me T'eo wold be my first choice though. I agree which is why i said depending on where we draft, I can see T'eo dropping no farther than 15, then again we can have a Prince scenario again.

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          • Originally posted by BlueSanta View Post
            I still believe him, or I understand his logic. Again, you cannot discount the age difference in these 2 players. Its almost 3 years. Furthemore, I doubt any person on these board saw Wilson play more in college than I did, and I completely understand why he was rated so high by Reese. I also understand why Martin was rated so high by Tampa. fact is, they are both going to be good.


            3 years ago, Doug Martin was actually smaller than Wilson is right now. That's how much those 3 years matter just in physical stature, not to mention maturity. Martin was clearly the better pick for today, but what about tomorrow?

            When Wilson is coming to the end of his rookie contract, he will be about the same age as Martin is now. There is just way too much football left to be played to answer definitively.

            Furthermore, Martin went to a team that plays rookie RBs. Wilson did not.
            Maybe I am just being bias but I rated Martin higher than any of the RB's last year. I did not put age into a factor, he was the most day one pro ready Back, and the fact that he could block out of the back field, I thought that was enough to rate him higher than Wilson who had fumble issues in college.

            I also believed that Fleener was high on our boards, but due to Tampa's move it made us re assess our order.

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            • Originally posted by BlueSanta View Post
              I still believe him, or I understand his logic. Again, you cannot discount the age difference in these 2 players. Its almost 3 years. Furthemore, I doubt any person on these board saw Wilson play more in college than I did, and I completely understand why he was rated so high by Reese. I also understand why Martin was rated so high by Tampa. fact is, they are both going to be good.


              3 years ago, Doug Martin was actually smaller than Wilson is right now. That's how much those 3 years matter just in physical stature, not to mention maturity. Martin was clearly the better pick for today, but what about tomorrow?

              When Wilson is coming to the end of his rookie contract, he will be about the same age as Martin is now. There is just way too much football left to be played to answer definitively.

              Furthermore, Martin went to a team that plays rookie RBs. Wilson did not.
              Maybe I am just being bias but I rated Martin higher than any of the RB's last year. I did not put age into a factor, he was the most day one pro ready Back, and the fact that he could block out of the back field, I thought that was enough to rate him higher than Wilson who had fumble issues in college.

              I also believed that Fleener was high on our boards, but due to Tampa's move it made us re assess our order.

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              • Originally posted by rainierjef View Post
                Maybe I am just being bias but I rated Martin higher than any of the RB's last year. I did not put age into a factor, he was the most day one pro ready Back, and the fact that he could block out of the back field, I thought that was enough to rate him higher than Wilson who had fumble issues in college.

                I also believed that Fleener was high on our boards, but due to Tampa's move it made us re assess our order.
                I certainly see why many had Martin over wilson, but I also understand why some had it the other way around.


                I do not agree on Fleener.I think we have fought this war before though. I think he was a decent prospect but I think there are 2 or 3 TEs coming out this year that are better NFL prospects. Including Ertz, his former teamates. As I said on draft day i thought Dwayne Allen was every bit as good a prospect as Fleener, and I didnt think either deserved a 1st round grade. I think so far this year, that is holding true as Allen has now passed Fleener on the Colts depth chart playing 79% of the offensive snaps, compared to just 49% for Fleener.
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                • Originally posted by rainierjef View Post
                  I just find it funny that fan's believe everything that Reese tells them. They don't bother to look at the college games, watch a couple of highlights with music. Nothing against Wilson, but to say he was number one on the giants board over martin is just stupid.
                  i coulden't agree more.. I've stood pat in my thinking the same thing, and am on record saying this over and over since the draft.. I 100pct think Doug Martin would of been a giant had he been on the board when we picked, and thats of course with David Wilson still being there as well..

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                  • Originally posted by rainierjef View Post
                    Kevin Minter would not be that much far off. Either of the two would work for me T'eo wold be my first choice though. I agree which is why i said depending on where we draft, I can see T'eo dropping no farther than 15, then again we can have a Prince scenario again.
                    I'm also a big Kevin Minter fan as well. I do a weekly mock, and hes been in my mocks a few times, with rave reviews.. I want enforcers out there, and guys who like to make big game changing hits, and play with a reckless abandon, and Minter fits that mold in my opinion.. I love Minter, Mauti, Te'o at the MLB positon, much more then i do Kevin Red**** or Nico Johnson.. I think Arthur Brown is to slender for the MLB positon in the pros, and will move to the WLB positon...

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                    • Originally posted by rainierjef View Post
                      Maybe I am just being bias but I rated Martin higher than any of the RB's last year. I did not put age into a factor, he was the most day one pro ready Back, and the fact that he could block out of the back field, I thought that was enough to rate him higher than Wilson who had fumble issues in college.

                      I also believed that Fleener was high on our boards, but due to Tampa's move it made us re assess our order.
                      Nah man, i here ya.. I had Martin as a 1st rder when he was still rated late 2nd/3rd on most peoples boards.. I knew he was gonna fly up draft boards, and i had em as the 2nd best RB months before the draft.. Whitney Mercilus and Doug Martin were my dream picks for us, in a perfect world.. They were the 2 that i wanted more then anyone else.. I thought David WIlson was more of a 2nd rd pick, and i really was bummed we didn't pick CORDY GLENN when our pick was up and Doug Martin was off the board.. Of course none of this is hindsight, as i said it before the Wilson pick..

                      I honestly believe Tampa knew we were gonna go Doug Martin, and thats wy they moved ahead of us.. I'd find Reese to be utterly stupid if he came out and said " Tampa got us for sure, and we would of taken martin all day long!"...LOL What else was he gonna say?

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                      • Hope all are doing well just got power back, still no internet

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                        • Originally posted by BlueSanta View Post
                          I certainly see why many had Martin over wilson, but I also understand why some had it the other way around.


                          I do not agree on Fleener.I think we have fought this war before though. I think he was a decent prospect but I think there are 2 or 3 TEs coming out this year that are better NFL prospects. Including Ertz, his former teamates. As I said on draft day i thought Dwayne Allen was every bit as good a prospect as Fleener, and I didnt think either deserved a 1st round grade. I think so far this year, that is holding true as Allen has now passed Fleener on the Colts depth chart playing 79% of the offensive snaps, compared to just 49% for Fleener.
                          Ya, remember how peeved i was when we didn't take Dwayne Allen in RD 2?? I was making jokes about it saying " the colts were so shocked we didn't take Allen that they forgot they took Fleener and took another TE in Allen!!"...lol

                          Everyone knows how high i was on Dwayne Allen.. I could of cared less about his combine because his Tape showed great leaping ability and solid hands and ability to beat LB's down the seam and redzone capabilites.. Alot of people soured on him becasuse of his combine, i for one was not one of em.. I also liked Fleener, but i liked Dwayne Allen just as much...

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                          • Originally posted by Redeyejedi View Post
                            Hope all are doing well just got power back, still no internet
                            Sorry to here that redeye! HOpe ur doing well!!!!

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                            • Originally posted by BlueSanta View Post
                              Im not really with you on this 1. Not so much because of the players, who are all decent players in their own right, but because of the need side of the equation. I do think Safety is a question mark, but the emergence of Brown and Hill lessen the need. Between those 2 players I do think we have a capable replacement for KP. I still think we need passrushers and a corner and perhaps a MLB on the defensive side and Olinemen on the offensive side. I would like to see us address these holes.

                              I am not yet sold on Mauti either. I think he is a very good college player but am not sold yet on his game translating to the NFL. This is a guy who has had 2 ACL surgeries and while I think he is plenty insinctive, I want to see him move around and make plays vs a good team.

                              I do like the later half of your picks though.
                              Ya, to each his own.. I actually like this mock more then some of my others, and not as much as a few of my others.. Obviously things change with prospects wk to wk, so i'm trying to make it as realistic as possible.. Sure, there might be other players i like more or whatever, but i'm trying to think about where were picking, and where prospects are rated for most part as of now and etc..

                              As far as S goes, i'm not completely sold on Stevie Brown as a longterm solution, and i'm not sure Will Hill is anything more then a "ok" player either.. Stevie Browns been in league about 4yrs or so and has done next to nothing and now all of a sudden hes Ed REed...lol I'm not sure if hes just not been in the right place at the right time, or if hes just been overlooked or what? As for Hill, i gotta see more to think hes anything special, as far as Starter or what not.. And even if Both are longterm solid, i don't see Rolle with his salary being around 2 much longer, and Sash isn't that impressive to this point(i've been wrong about him so far), and theres nothing after that.. Also, Eric Reid's got Top 10potential, and i like taking chances on guys sometimes that have sky high potential when picking at end of rd 1.. I like how he hits, and i think hes gonna be a all around hard hitting playmaking saftey when said and done... I believe S is one of our biggest needs going forward.. Obviously we could go in another direction and i'd be fine with that as well, but bang for buck, i think Reid offers great potential in the 29th pick of rd 1, where i had us picking this week.

                              As far as Mauti, i just love em.. Hes freaking everywhere all the time.. U rarley see a play where hes not involved.. Hes shown the ability to make plays in the pass game as well as behind the line, and is a sound tackler..I think Mauti will bring a great attitude and aggresive approach to the defense.. I just like the way he plays the game, and as u said, his instincts are off the chart..

                              Jordan Hill is just a playmaker.. Like i said, hes a little light, but hes great at getting behind the line and making plays, and as u said, we need to get more of a pass rush, and to me, it don['t matter where that pass rush comes from, and Hill will be good for 4-6 sacks a yr, i believe...


                              As for the other guys, i think Brian Winters will be a steal, and hes a offensive lineman, and between James Brewer, Brian Winters, Mitch Petrus, Will Beatty, Kevin Boothe, David Baas, Braxston Cave, Chris Snee, and hopefully Sean Locklear for another yr, i think we'll be all good at Oline for at least next yr, and hopefully beyond.. But at least good enoguh to wait if we have to and go oline in 2014 a bit earlier.. Obviously some of my mocks have Oline in first couple rds, so i'm not against it by any stretch, just the way i went this week with who i think will be on the board and what not..

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                              • How nasty is Penn St's DEION BARNES DE gonna be down the line? Hes only a freshman but the kid can ball.. Kids got 3FF 6TFL 4SACK.. Hes gonna be quite good..

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