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  • Originally posted by rainierjef View Post
    you thinking another Vernon gholston issue, for the gaining organization?
    He could flame out, he is not that great with contact.

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    • Originally posted by Redeyejedi View Post
      U see his dad yell at me on Twitter for saying its a serious injury . He told me to check my facts LOL. I got to watch myself I know some of these players keep tabs

      Jmpasq ‏@Jmpasq
      Torn labrum is a serious injury for Brennan Williams a lot of players are never the same after that. Justin Tuck is a shadow of himself

      Brent Williams ‏@bdub969391
      @Jmpasq NO it's not, Played 7 more years after the surgery - it's the most common injury with linemen in the nfl - check your facts
      heh thats funny. What a dad gonna do tho.
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      • I'm pretty confident on this one, and that is that Brennan Williams will be totally fine, and hes either gonna make it or not based on his talent... I expect to see him workout at the combine, if not before, and this 2 be a thing of the past in no time.. Also, i'd be shocked if hes not taken in the first 3rds of this yrs draft, if not earlier.. I would personally take em the end of RD 2, and love the value we'd be getting, as hes gonna be a starting RT in the NFL in no time.

        Theres really not a whole lotta info out there on Olineman with this injury? I mean, Mike Wahle had it, nad returned just fine.. Andrew Gardner, a 2008 prospect from Ga.Tech had it and played with it most of the season, but he was never anyone who had a huge stock,. and was taken in the 6th rd,. and has managed to stick around in the NFL ever since..

        Again, i'd be shocked if half the teams in the NFL didn't pounce on the value of having a brennan williams there to pick up in the 3rd rd, if hes still there.. Thats value galore.. Especially if hes all ready playing in all star games and participating in the NFL combine..

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        • Originally posted by Redeyejedi View Post
          U see his dad yell at me on Twitter for saying its a serious injury . He told me to check my facts LOL. I got to watch myself I know some of these players keep tabs

          Jmpasq ‏@Jmpasq
          Torn labrum is a serious injury for Brennan Williams a lot of players are never the same after that. Justin Tuck is a shadow of himself

          Brent Williams ‏@bdub969391
          @Jmpasq NO it's not, Played 7 more years after the surgery - it's the most common injury with linemen in the nfl - check your facts
          thats funny as heck...lol I will say, i found a gazillion NFL players who had this injury.. There isn't a ton of Olineman though? Mike Wahle, Andrew Gardner, are 2of the only ones i found? Both were fine and Andrew Gardner is still in the NFL, and he wasen't that big of a prospect to begin with.. Anyhow, its fairly common, as i had about 12names, and i didn't write all the ones i found, and those were success stories..

          Heres a article actually entitled NFL torn labrums common injury..lol

          Scout.com: Torn Labrum Is a Common NFL injury
          mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=124&f=1930&t=995268 - Similar
          Seems like quite a few NFL players have suffered torm Labrum

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          • Also, found out that STEFEN WISNEWSKI played his entire Rookie season with a torn labrum.. Also, Jared Allen and Ed reed are both playing with torn labrums as we speeak, and Jared Allen has had his for awhile.. Sidney RIce and Blaine Gabbet also have them.. I'd say its safe to say, its a common injury, and not much of a Career jepordizer... I haven't seen one player who had one, that has actually lost there career over it, let alone some one as young as Brennan Williams.. Shoot, Jonas Jennings had one, and did it later in his 20's, after alot of wear and tear, and still played 3more yrs in the NFL after that...

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            • Originally posted by rainierjef View Post
              I am having trouble rating the top five CB's. I know for a fact at the beginning of the season i had them as.
              1. David Amerson, North Carolina State
              2. Tyrann Mathieu, LSU
              3. Johnthan Banks, Mississippi State
              4. Johnny Adams, Michigan State
              5. Jordan Poyer, Oregon State
              Mathieu is out of the picture, Amerson has disappointed a little to me, Adams sigh*
              tell me what you guys think I am going off the curve on this one.
              1. Demarucs Milliner, Alabama
              2. Johnthan Banks, Mississippi State
              3. Xavier Rhodes, Florida State
              4. Jordan Poyer, Oregon State
              5. David Amerson, North Carolina State
              and I have Tharold simon in at 6 and Kyle fuller at 7
              I still have JORDAN POYER ranked as my NUM 1 CB prospect.. Regardless of where hes taken, i have a feeling hes a guy we'll look back at, as we do in almost every draft, and say "man he should of went ahead of that guy".. POYER is a ball hawk extrodinaire with good size, athletic ability, and speed.. Hes really as complete as it comes, and i love those dual sport guys, like Russell Wilson, Deion Sanders, John Elway...etc..etc

              Poyer had 7picks this yr, and mixes it up well in run support, and is big enough to handle the bigger NFL recievers, and is very smart and instinctive, and has a ton of ST value, as a KR and PR... This kid is underrated for some reason? He just makes plays on the field.. Hes got 13 career interceptions with a game to come at OREGON ST...

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              • Man, it stings watching guys like Vick Ballard RB Indy turning into a nice steal in RD5, when we can't even get much positive yardage or any thing substantial outta our 1st rd pick... I loved Vick Ballard as a Sleeper, as did Redeye, and hes turning into quite the RB ... I thought he'd be gone before RD5, but colts nabbed em early 5th.. The colts had one heck of adraft.. They pounced on Dwayne Allen, as soon as we passed, almost like they couldent beleive we passed, as they just took a TE earlier in the draft, and then went out and got a game changer in T.Y Hilton to boot.. They added starting quality playmakers in RD1,2,3,4, and 5... And even Chandler Harnish played extremely well in the preseason as mr.irrelevant..(another kid most know i liked..)

                The colts instantly chnaged there futur and fortunes in one single draft.. This is why i love the draft.. U do ur job right, and u can change ur fortunes real quickly.. I was angry we passed on Cordy Glenn and angry we passed on Dwayne Allen...

                I don't even know what i'm rambling about, i'm just annoyed right now that we gotta must win against the freaking Saints today, and we have a brittle RB with nothing behind em, and a brittle WR, and know one really stepping up there either.. Rueben Randle or Jerrell Jerrnigan need to step up today! I went on high praise for Jerny in the offseason, and raved about the draft pick, and its time he start proving me right!!!!!

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                • Originally posted by slipknottin View Post
                  He could flame out, he is not that great with contact.
                  I was thinking more of another Jet that got cut Maybin. He is really fast and super explosive but he doesnt finish plays and he gets swallowed up more then not.

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                  • Whats the take on sleepers this yr around here? We used to start a sleeper thread, but probably just put tha INFO right in this thread this yr, i suppose?

                    Bored , so i figured i'd write down some sleepers of mine... Sleepers can also be guys who are perdicted to go in ealyish rds, that u think are gonna be way better then where they are selected... Any sleepers out there, u guys excited about?


                    Chris Jones DT Bowling Green- This guy can flat out make plays.. Hes strong, but a bit undersized at listed 292 lbs.. Hes had a incredible season, and could offer value if he goes where projected, in the 4th-6th range..

                    Theo Rid**** RB N.Dame- Love the kid, and think he helps a team.. He can catch as well as run, and he runs harder then his size indicates.. Could be a nice additon to a duo or trio backfield..

                    Cierre Wood RB N.Dame- Sticking with the NDAME backfield, CIerre Wood has the more prototypical size u want outta a back, and was a prized recruit when coming out.. Has deceptive speed, and can keep it moving forward after first contact.. Solid mid to late rd RB in my opinion... Has a body type like Darren McFaddens, and is a long strider in the open field, and has decent cut back ability.. Decent reciever outta backfield...

                    Jake Stoneburner TE Ohio St- I like this kid as a reciever going forward.. He has frame to pile on a few more LB's, and could be a nice additon in the 5-7rd range.. A decent fall back option, if we dont go TE early..

                    DJ Swearinger S S.Carolina- Hes not a huge sleeper per say, but hes better then a few of the S's perdicted to go ahead of him, in my opinion.. Hes a strong , fundamentally strong kid, who is a key member of a really good defenses backfield.. He can really lay a hit and is involved in most plays it seems.. Not great ball skills, but decent, and isn't a weakness against the pass.. I'd say more of a all around safety, and not specializing in one or the other(pass or against run)..

                    Dennis Johnson RB Arkansas- Another RB , i know..lol This kid can take a hit and keep on moving, and has that MJD, R.Rice , D.Martin look about em, and i love those low center of gravity backs, that have some shiftiness to em as well.. He has taken over the backfield away from Knile Davis , despite some of that being Davis probably not recovering from injury as well as we hoped, still give em his props for that.. A hard runner, with deceptive speed, could be better pro then college player...

                    Adrian Bushell CB Louisville- A solid sized CB, who can make the plays against the pass, and was supposed to take over for Joe Haden at FLORIDA but followed Charlie Strong to Louisville.. THe kids been rising, and i expect him to continue that.. Reminds me alittle bit of another former Louisiville CB i liked alot and ended up with saints, Johnny Patrick, who went in RD3...

                    AJ Klein ILB Iowa St- I just like his gritty hard nosed approach and leadership qualities. he strikes me as the kinda guy who will always make it on to a team because of how hard he works, and the little things he does.. Not overly disimaler to our very own Chase Blackburn.. Good sized kid who can thump..

                    Jonathan Bostic ILB Florida- Another ILB i really like is Bostic.. Aggresive player, whos stout against run, and could be value on ST's as well.. I really like this kid...

                    Alec Lemon WR Syracuse
                    Shamarko Thomas S Syracuse
                    Earl Wolff S NC State
                    Blaize Foltz G T.C.U
                    LaAdrian Waddle OT Texas Tech
                    Robbie Rouse RB Fresno St.
                    Emory Blake WR Auburn
                    Steve Greer LB Virignia
                    Miguel Maysonet RB Stony Brook
                    Ryan Griffin TE UCONN
                    Everett Dawkins DT Florida St
                    Kapron Lewis-Moore DE- possibly switch to DT in a 43 pro sceme?

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                    • Originally posted by nycsportzfan View Post
                      Man, it stings watching guys like Vick Ballard RB Indy turning into a nice steal in RD5, when we can't even get much positive yardage or any thing substantial outta our 1st rd pick... I loved Vick Ballard as a Sleeper, as did Redeye, and hes turning into quite the RB ... I thought he'd be gone before RD5, but colts nabbed em early 5th.. The colts had one heck of adraft.. They pounced on Dwayne Allen, as soon as we passed, almost like they couldent beleive we passed, as they just took a TE earlier in the draft, and then went out and got a game changer in T.Y Hilton to boot.. They added starting quality playmakers in RD1,2,3,4, and 5... And even Chandler Harnish played extremely well in the preseason as mr.irrelevant..(another kid most know i liked..)

                      The colts instantly chnaged there futur and fortunes in one single draft.. This is why i love the draft.. U do ur job right, and u can change ur fortunes real quickly.. I was angry we passed on Cordy Glenn and angry we passed on Dwayne Allen...

                      I don't even know what i'm rambling about, i'm just annoyed right now that we gotta must win against the freaking Saints today, and we have a brittle RB with nothing behind em, and a brittle WR, and know one really stepping up there either.. Rueben Randle or Jerrell Jerrnigan need to step up today! I went on high praise for Jerny in the offseason, and raved about the draft pick, and its time he start proving me right!!!!!
                      Man don't get me started on vick ballard, there was someone else on here that was a advocate of him just as much as i was. He would of been a good power back for us, and I think i have been extremely vocal about how knee jerking it was the decision after tampa jumped in front of us, no disrespect to the player wilson, he was a good prospect coming out of college and I think he will be good, but felt we could of went a different direction and still get a good back in another round.

                      edit: call me a broken record but i feel the difference in this offense would have been seen immediately with coby fleener, and if you add Fleener and Bennett, we could of seen the dual TE sets come back to NY. Dan campbell/Jeremy shockey (Howard cross)
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                      • Originally posted by nycsportzfan View Post
                        Whats the take on sleepers this yr around here? We used to start a sleeper thread, but probably just put tha INFO right in this thread this yr, i suppose?

                        Bored , so i figured i'd write down some sleepers of mine... Sleepers can also be guys who are perdicted to go in ealyish rds, that u think are gonna be way better then where they are selected... Any sleepers out there, u guys excited about?


                        Chris Jones DT Bowling Green- This guy can flat out make plays.. Hes strong, but a bit undersized at listed 292 lbs.. Hes had a incredible season, and could offer value if he goes where projected, in the 4th-6th range..

                        Theo Rid**** RB N.Dame- Love the kid, and think he helps a team.. He can catch as well as run, and he runs harder then his size indicates.. Could be a nice additon to a duo or trio backfield..

                        Cierre Wood RB N.Dame- Sticking with the NDAME backfield, CIerre Wood has the more prototypical size u want outta a back, and was a prized recruit when coming out.. Has deceptive speed, and can keep it moving forward after first contact.. Solid mid to late rd RB in my opinion... Has a body type like Darren McFaddens, and is a long strider in the open field, and has decent cut back ability.. Decent reciever outta backfield...

                        Jake Stoneburner TE Ohio St- I like this kid as a reciever going forward.. He has frame to pile on a few more LB's, and could be a nice additon in the 5-7rd range.. A decent fall back option, if we dont go TE early..

                        DJ Swearinger S S.Carolina- Hes not a huge sleeper per say, but hes better then a few of the S's perdicted to go ahead of him, in my opinion.. Hes a strong , fundamentally strong kid, who is a key member of a really good defenses backfield.. He can really lay a hit and is involved in most plays it seems.. Not great ball skills, but decent, and isn't a weakness against the pass.. I'd say more of a all around safety, and not specializing in one or the other(pass or against run)..

                        Dennis Johnson RB Arkansas- Another RB , i know..lol This kid can take a hit and keep on moving, and has that MJD, R.Rice , D.Martin look about em, and i love those low center of gravity backs, that have some shiftiness to em as well.. He has taken over the backfield away from Knile Davis , despite some of that being Davis probably not recovering from injury as well as we hoped, still give em his props for that.. A hard runner, with deceptive speed, could be better pro then college player...

                        Adrian Bushell CB Louisville- A solid sized CB, who can make the plays against the pass, and was supposed to take over for Joe Haden at FLORIDA but followed Charlie Strong to Louisville.. THe kids been rising, and i expect him to continue that.. Reminds me alittle bit of another former Louisiville CB i liked alot and ended up with saints, Johnny Patrick, who went in RD3...

                        AJ Klein ILB Iowa St- I just like his gritty hard nosed approach and leadership qualities. he strikes me as the kinda guy who will always make it on to a team because of how hard he works, and the little things he does.. Not overly disimaler to our very own Chase Blackburn.. Good sized kid who can thump..

                        Jonathan Bostic ILB Florida- Another ILB i really like is Bostic.. Aggresive player, whos stout against run, and could be value on ST's as well.. I really like this kid...

                        Alec Lemon WR Syracuse
                        Shamarko Thomas S Syracuse
                        Earl Wolff S NC State
                        Blaize Foltz G T.C.U
                        LaAdrian Waddle OT Texas Tech
                        Robbie Rouse RB Fresno St.
                        Emory Blake WR Auburn
                        Steve Greer LB Virignia
                        Miguel Maysonet RB Stony Brook
                        Ryan Griffin TE UCONN
                        Everett Dawkins DT Florida St
                        Kapron Lewis-Moore DE- possibly switch to DT in a 43 pro sceme?
                        Dennis Johnson is really good but he fumbles often, every 25 touches

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                        • Originally posted by nycsportzfan View Post
                          thats funny as heck...lol I will say, i found a gazillion NFL players who had this injury.. There isn't a ton of Olineman though? Mike Wahle, Andrew Gardner, are 2of the only ones i found? Both were fine and Andrew Gardner is still in the NFL, and he wasen't that big of a prospect to begin with.. Anyhow, its fairly common, as i had about 12names, and i didn't write all the ones i found, and those were success stories..

                          Heres a article actually entitled NFL torn labrums common injury..lol

                          Scout.com: Torn Labrum Is a Common NFL injury
                          mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=124&f=1930&t=995268 - Similar
                          Seems like quite a few NFL players have suffered torm Labrum
                          Just wondering, if it is so common and inconsequential, why are people (not just on these boards but bigtime scouts) talking about him falling so far? It CAN be a minial injury, it can also be a very bad 1 or Oline depending on the severity and location of the tear. As I said before everyone can play with a torn labrum, for a time. Playing with it isnt a big deal. The problem is over time, if the tear is a bad 1, the rotator cuff begins because the labrum is a stablizing mechaniz, for the cuff and with it torn the cuff is loose in the socket. I guarantee at the combine they will test the strength of that shoulder in vulnerable positions. It could work out just fine and if so he will be back to high draft status. It will all depend on the combine.

                          Andrew Datko was a fairly highly rated prospect a couple years ago, had this procedure, then came out and the docs did not like what they saw. His draft status suffered greatly.

                          Anyways, I am done with this topic, you apparently know more then a guy who has had this surgery 2x and a medical professional. Either that, or you arent reading what people write and keep your blinders on saying "he will be ok." Fact is, that is a guess. There is risk associated with this injury, especially for Olineman. The mere fact that a 1st round talent is talked about falling to the 3rd + round suports what I say.
                          Last edited by BlueSanta; 12-09-2012, 03:50 PM.
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                          • Originally posted by nycsportzfan View Post
                            I'm pretty confident on this one, and that is that Brennan Williams will be totally fine, and hes either gonna make it or not based on his talent... I expect to see him workout at the combine, if not before, and this 2 be a thing of the past in no time.. Also, i'd be shocked if hes not taken in the first 3rds of this yrs draft, if not earlier.. I would personally take em the end of RD 2, and love the value we'd be getting, as hes gonna be a starting RT in the NFL in no time.

                            Theres really not a whole lotta info out there on Olineman with this injury? I mean, Mike Wahle had it, nad returned just fine.. Andrew Gardner, a 2008 prospect from Ga.Tech had it and played with it most of the season, but he was never anyone who had a huge stock,. and was taken in the 6th rd,. and has managed to stick around in the NFL ever since..

                            Again, i'd be shocked if half the teams in the NFL didn't pounce on the value of having a brennan williams there to pick up in the 3rd rd, if hes still there.. Thats value galore.. Especially if hes all ready playing in all star games and participating in the NFL combine..
                            I hope the kid makes it, as I have mocked him in my 4th and 5th round in two mocks I did.

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                            • A kid who got buried due to good play by his peer's / injury Philip Lutzenkirchen, Auburn, 6-5/250. I liked this kid and was hoping to see him play some more this year, I think he can come in and be a great run/pass blocker that can catch a couple of balls. he uses his body to dominate defenders in open space in the limited tape i have seen. he can play Fullback/TE. Versatile kid sad he went down this year.

                              7th round I'd take him, tough kid, played through injury for a couple of games.
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                              • How do you guys feel about Michael Williams as a prospect out of Alabama. I think he was under used there and could be a steal in the later rounds. His size is extremely intriguing and he's probably a 4.7/40 no more than mid 4.8 I think guy.

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