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  • Re: A look at the 2011 NFL draft

    [quote user="slipknottin"]juice you must be using the list he had earlier in the year. at the end of the year Mayok had Thomas as his #1 ranked safety.

    AT DE he didnt even end up having Dunlap on the top 5.[/quote]
    maybe right before the draft, but that list was dated January 25th aka this time last year (close enough)

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      [quote user="juice33s"]maybe right before the draft, but that list was dated January 25th aka this time last year (close enough)
      [/quote]

      Yea, obviously the combine can change things.

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      • Re: A look at the 2011 NFL draft

        [quote user="slipknottin"][quote user="nycsportzfan"] I think Ryan Kerrigan should be on that Next Up list....
        [/quote] I think he would be behind that second group, he just doesnt really have an elite skill set. Hes a solid player and gives 100% effort every play, hes just not that great of an athlete.[/quote] Yeah I find it interesting he isnt on Mayocks Top 5 ends. The other guys are physically more impressive players though

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          [quote user="Redeyejedi"]


          Here is Mayocks New Top 5




          Quarterback:




          *1. Blaine Gabbert, Missouri
          2. Jake Locker, Washington
          *3. Cam Newton, Auburn
          *4. Ryan Mallett, Arkansas
          5. Andy Dalton, TCU










          Running back:




          *1. Mark Ingram, Alabama
          2. Mikel LeShoure, Illinois
          *3. Daniel Thomas, Kansas State
          *4. Ryan Williams, Virginia Tech
          *5. Jacquizz Rodgers, Oregon State




          Wide receiver:




          *1. A.J. Green, Georgia
          *2. Julio Jones, Alabama
          3. Titus Young, Boise State
          *4. Jonathan Baldwin, Pittsburgh
          *5. Torrey Smith




          Tight end:




          *1. Kyle Rudolph, Notre Dame
          2. Lance Kendricks, Wisconsin
          3. Luke Stocker, Tennessee
          4. D.J.Williams, Arkansas
          5. Virgil Green, Nevada




          Guard/center:




          1. Mike Pouncey, Florida
          2. Danny Watkins, Baylor
          3. Clint Boling, Georgia
          4. John Moffitt, Wisconsin
          5. Rodney Hudson, Florida State




          Tackle:




          1. Anthony Castanzo, Boston College
          2. Nate Solder, Colorado
          *3. Tyron Smith, Southern California
          4. Gabe Carimi, Wisconsin
          T-5. Ben Ijalana, Villanova
          T-5. Derek Sherrod, Mississippi State










          Defensive end:




          *1. Da'Quan Bowers, Clemson
          *2. J.J. Watt, Wisconsin
          3. Adrian Clayborn, Iowa
          4. Cameron Jordan, California
          *5. Robert Quinn, North Carolina




          Defensive tackle:




          *1. Marcell Dareus, Alabama
          *2. Nick Fairley, Auburn
          *3. Corey Liuget, Illinois
          4. Stephen Paea, Oregon State
          *5. Jurrell Casey, Southern California




          Outside Linebacker:




          1. Von Miller, Texas A&M
          *2. Akeem Ayers, UCLA
          *3. Justin Houston, Georgia
          4. Bruce Carter, North Carolina
          5. Chris Carter, Fresno State




          Inside Linebacker:




          *1. Martez Wilson, Illinois
          2. Colin McCarthy, Miami (Fla.)
          3. Quan Sturdivant, North Carolina
          4. Casey Matthews, Oregon
          5. Kelvin Sheppard, LSU




          Cornerback:




          *1. Patrick Peterson, LSU
          2. Prince Amukamara
          *3. Aaron Williams, Texas
          4. Jimmy Smith, Colorado
          *5. Brandon Harris, Miami (Fla.)




          Safety:




          *1. Rahim Moore, UCLA
          2. Ahmad Black, Florida
          3. Marcus Gilchrist, Clemson
          4. Quinton Carter, Oklahoma
          5. Deunta Williams, North Carolina




          [/quote]







          TY.

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          • Re: A look at the 2011 NFL draft

            [quote user="slipknottin"][quote user="nycsportzfan"] I think Ryan Kerrigan should be on that Next Up list....
            [/quote]

            I think he would be behind that second group, he just doesnt really have an elite skill set. Hes a solid player and gives 100% effort every play, hes just not that great of an athlete.[/quote] Hes got some speed, thats for sure... I think hes gonna be a animal on the next level with his speed, agility, and non stop motor, not to mention, hes above solid against the run... I think he'll be surprising in the in the combine as well...

            We shall see, though... I def would have em in the top 5lists of any DE rankings...

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            • Re: A look at the 2011 NFL draft

              [quote user="nycsportzfan"][quote user="slipknottin"][quote user="nycsportzfan"] I think Ryan Kerrigan should be on that Next Up list....
              [/quote] I think he would be behind that second group, he just doesnt really have an elite skill set. Hes a solid player and gives 100% effort every play, hes just not that great of an athlete.[/quote] Hes got some speed, thats for sure... I think hes gonna be a animal on the next level with his speed, agility, and non stop motor, not to mention, hes above solid against the run... I think he'll be surprising in the in the combine as well...

              We shall see, though... I def would have em in the top 5lists of any DE rankings...
              [/quote]Eh his speed is average really all his physical attributes are average. I think he should bulk up and play strongside end. I dont see him being as an elite pass rusher at the next level. I think he will be a good all around player though. Give u some of everything. I think he will become a very good run defender give U 8 sacks thats a pretty good football player.

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              • Re: A look at the 2011 NFL draft

                [quote user="Redeyejedi"][quote user="nycsportzfan"][quote user="slipknottin"][quote user="nycsportzfan"] I think Ryan Kerrigan should be on that Next Up list....
                [/quote] I think he would be behind that second group, he just doesnt really have an elite skill set. Hes a solid player and gives 100% effort every play, hes just not that great of an athlete.[/quote] Hes got some speed, thats for sure... I think hes gonna be a animal on the next level with his speed, agility, and non stop motor, not to mention, hes above solid against the run... I think he'll be surprising in the in the combine as well...

                We shall see, though... I def would have em in the top 5lists of any DE rankings...
                [/quote]Eh his speed is average really all his physical attributes are average. I think he should bulk up and play strongside end. I dont see him being as an elite pass rusher at the next level. I think he will be a good all around player though. Give u some of everything. I think he will become a very good run defender give U 8 sacks thats a pretty good football player.[/quote] ya, thats pretty good, and probably gonna be better then most of the guys talked about going in the top 10...lol And, thats the truth! Kerrigan is a Safe bet for 8sacks a yr, and 60-70tackles... He also plays nasty, with a all out, attitude... I think you'll be surprised by his speed at the combine... Maybe not super man fast, but pretty fast.. To be honest, i think people don't think of em as fast as he is, because hes white... Now, thats a touchy subject, i know, and i actually understand why some people feel that way, as players of color, for the most part, warp white fellas in athletic ability and speed, most of the time, but Kerrigan is a exception, and he gets to the QB very quickly... Hes pretty explosive, and it isn't all motor, hes built like a OX, very very strong, and i'll be shocked, if he isn't one of the best Pass Rushers to come outta this draft in a few yrs...

                Look at this first step, and look at how quick hes on Terrelle Pryor and around the Tackle on the next play.. This actually makes me laugh, watching num 76 for Oh St in the first play..lol

                PURDUE DEFENSIVE END RYAN KERRIGAN VS. OHIO STATE[img]sacore:green.gif[/img]

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                  OMG!!!!LOL Watching this video of R.kerrigan(all highlights of course), but jesus, seeing this guy in pursuit and how explosive he is and downright lethal against the run is pretty crazy... THis is one hellavu highlight tape... This guys the complete package...

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                    OMG!!!!LOL Watching this video of R.kerrigan(all highlights of course), but jesus, seeing this guy in pursuit and how explosive he is and downright lethal against the run is pretty crazy... THis is one hellavu highlight tape... This guys the complete package...

                    Ryan Kerrigan Highlights[img]sacore:green.gif[/img]

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                    • Re: A look at the 2011 NFL draft

                      [quote user="nycsportzfan"][quote user="Redeyejedi"][quote user="nycsportzfan"][quote user="slipknottin"][quote user="nycsportzfan"] I think Ryan Kerrigan should be on that Next Up list....
                      [/quote] I think he would be behind that second group, he just doesnt really have an elite skill set. Hes a solid player and gives 100% effort every play, hes just not that great of an athlete.[/quote] Hes got some speed, thats for sure... I think hes gonna be a animal on the next level with his speed, agility, and non stop motor, not to mention, hes above solid against the run... I think he'll be surprising in the in the combine as well...

                      We shall see, though... I def would have em in the top 5lists of any DE rankings...
                      [/quote]Eh his speed is average really all his physical attributes are average. I think he should bulk up and play strongside end. I dont see him being as an elite pass rusher at the next level. I think he will be a good all around player though. Give u some of everything. I think he will become a very good run defender give U 8 sacks thats a pretty good football player.[/quote] ya, thats pretty good, and probably gonna be better then most of the guys talked about going in the top 10...lol And, thats the truth! Kerrigan is a Safe bet for 8sacks a yr, and 60-70tackles... He also plays nasty, with a all out, attitude... I think you'll be surprised by his speed at the combine... Maybe not super man fast, but pretty fast.. To be honest, i think people don't think of em as fast as he is, because hes white... Now, thats a touchy subject, i know, and i actually understand why some people feel that way, as players of color, for the most part, warp white fellas in athletic ability and speed, most of the time, but Kerrigan is a exception, and he gets to the QB very quickly... Hes pretty explosive, and it isn't all motor, hes built like a OX, very very strong, and i'll be shocked, if he isn't one of the best Pass Rushers to come outta this draft in a few yrs...

                      Look at this first step, and look at how quick hes on Terrelle Pryor and around the Tackle on the next play.. This actually makes me laugh, watching num 76 for Oh St in the first play..lol







                      PURDUE DEFENSIVE END RYAN KERRIGAN VS. OHIO STATE[img]sacore:green.gif[/img]




                      [/quote]




                      Im talking about his speed comparatively to the weakside ends in the classlike Quinn and Aldon Smith. I think his speed is good for a strongside end. I think he will have an advantage on the corner against RT's while maybe not against LT's. It should help him generate some more sacks and be an upper tier type rusher from the strongside while middle of the pack from the weakside.

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                      • Re: A look at the 2011 NFL draft

                        [quote user="Redeyejedi"][quote user="nycsportzfan"][quote user="Redeyejedi"][quote user="nycsportzfan"][quote user="slipknottin"][quote user="nycsportzfan"] I think Ryan Kerrigan should be on that Next Up list....
                        [/quote] I think he would be behind that second group, he just doesnt really have an elite skill set. Hes a solid player and gives 100% effort every play, hes just not that great of an athlete.[/quote] Hes got some speed, thats for sure... I think hes gonna be a animal on the next level with his speed, agility, and non stop motor, not to mention, hes above solid against the run... I think he'll be surprising in the in the combine as well...

                        We shall see, though... I def would have em in the top 5lists of any DE rankings...
                        [/quote]Eh his speed is average really all his physical attributes are average. I think he should bulk up and play strongside end. I dont see him being as an elite pass rusher at the next level. I think he will be a good all around player though. Give u some of everything. I think he will become a very good run defender give U 8 sacks thats a pretty good football player.[/quote] ya, thats pretty good, and probably gonna be better then most of the guys talked about going in the top 10...lol And, thats the truth! Kerrigan is a Safe bet for 8sacks a yr, and 60-70tackles... He also plays nasty, with a all out, attitude... I think you'll be surprised by his speed at the combine... Maybe not super man fast, but pretty fast.. To be honest, i think people don't think of em as fast as he is, because hes white... Now, thats a touchy subject, i know, and i actually understand why some people feel that way, as players of color, for the most part, warp white fellas in athletic ability and speed, most of the time, but Kerrigan is a exception, and he gets to the QB very quickly... Hes pretty explosive, and it isn't all motor, hes built like a OX, very very strong, and i'll be shocked, if he isn't one of the best Pass Rushers to come outta this draft in a few yrs...

                        Look at this first step, and look at how quick hes on Terrelle Pryor and around the Tackle on the next play.. This actually makes me laugh, watching num 76 for Oh St in the first play..lol







                        PURDUE DEFENSIVE END RYAN KERRIGAN VS. OHIO STATE[img]sacore:green.gif[/img]




                        [/quote]




                        Im talking about his speed comparatively to the weakside ends in the classlike Quinn and Aldon Smith. I think his speed is good for a strongside end. I think he will have an advantage on the corner against RT's while maybe not against LT's. It should help him generate some more sacks and be an upper tier type rusher from the strongside while middle of the pack from the weakside.

                        [/quote] ya, maybe.. I'm not sold, that hes not super explosive from any side, and that hes not just a Good player, that can do damage against any Tackles, but i see what your saying.. I find overanalyzing sometimes of Prospects, on my part, and sometimes, i think we all do it.. Kerrigan to me, seems pretty agile, and athletic, but just adds some of the Strong side defensive End charecteristics to his game as well, like being powerful and stout against the run... I think u line em up against any Tackle, and hes got a shot, against a mid pack LT, hes gonna eat em up, fast or not... He does have one fast first step though, thats for sure... He also seems to get to 3rd gear pretty fast, and before u know it,hes on top of u.. I also like how he can get on top of a ball carrier before the ball carrier can really decide which way to go.. If a ball carrier wants to be tenative with this guy lingering, hes gonna find himself on the ground, behind the line, thats for sure... This kerrigan kid can ball...

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                        • Re: A look at the 2011 NFL draft



                          Kerrigan did fair very nicely against nate solder in the senior bowl practices, and solder is probably the most athleticoffensive linemanin this draft class.




                          kyle vanden bosch has been a great player in this league because of his amazing motor despite having just average physical tools. i think kerrigan can be a solid pass rusher in this league, not an elite one tho. so do you take him with a top 15 pick? i dunno, i never once thought he was going to be a top 15 pick anyway. this is shaping up to be a special defensive line class and i see all of these players turning into good to elite players in their own unique ways. ill be rooting for kerrigan anyway, just a great leader and a guy who plays football the right way

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                            [quote user="Neverend"]

                            Kerrigan did fair very nicely against nate solder in the senior bowl practices, and solder is probably the most athleticoffensive linemanin this draft class.




                            kyle vanden bosch has been a great player in this league because of his amazing motor despite having just average physical tools. i think kerrigan can be a solid pass rusher in this league, not an elite one tho. so do you take him with a top 15 pick? i dunno, i never once thought he was going to be a top 15 pick anyway. this is shaping up to be a special defensive line class and i see all of these players turning into good to elite players in their own unique ways. ill be rooting for kerrigan anyway, just a great leader and a guy who plays football the right way

                            [/quote] oh, well, if he didn't do well against Nate Solder in the Sr Bowl, i guess that settles it...lol I here what your saying, but i also think, hes a super Prospect with a beuaty of a first step, pure strength, non stop motor, enough athletic ability, and superb run stopping capabilities... I think hes gonna have a beast career... He should definetly be in the next group after the elite prospects....

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                            • Re: A look at the 2011 NFL draft

                              [quote user="nycsportzfan"][quote user="Redeyejedi"][quote user="nycsportzfan"][quote user="Redeyejedi"][quote user="nycsportzfan"][quote user="slipknottin"][quote user="nycsportzfan"] I think Ryan Kerrigan should be on that Next Up list....
                              [/quote] I think he would be behind that second group, he just doesnt really have an elite skill set. Hes a solid player and gives 100% effort every play, hes just not that great of an athlete.[/quote] Hes got some speed, thats for sure... I think hes gonna be a animal on the next level with his speed, agility, and non stop motor, not to mention, hes above solid against the run... I think he'll be surprising in the in the combine as well...

                              We shall see, though... I def would have em in the top 5lists of any DE rankings...
                              [/quote]Eh his speed is average really all his physical attributes are average. I think he should bulk up and play strongside end. I dont see him being as an elite pass rusher at the next level. I think he will be a good all around player though. Give u some of everything. I think he will become a very good run defender give U 8 sacks thats a pretty good football player.[/quote] ya, thats pretty good, and probably gonna be better then most of the guys talked about going in the top 10...lol And, thats the truth! Kerrigan is a Safe bet for 8sacks a yr, and 60-70tackles... He also plays nasty, with a all out, attitude... I think you'll be surprised by his speed at the combine... Maybe not super man fast, but pretty fast.. To be honest, i think people don't think of em as fast as he is, because hes white... Now, thats a touchy subject, i know, and i actually understand why some people feel that way, as players of color, for the most part, warp white fellas in athletic ability and speed, most of the time, but Kerrigan is a exception, and he gets to the QB very quickly... Hes pretty explosive, and it isn't all motor, hes built like a OX, very very strong, and i'll be shocked, if he isn't one of the best Pass Rushers to come outta this draft in a few yrs...

                              Look at this first step, and look at how quick hes on Terrelle Pryor and around the Tackle on the next play.. This actually makes me laugh, watching num 76 for Oh St in the first play..lol







                              PURDUE DEFENSIVE END RYAN KERRIGAN VS. OHIO STATE[img]sacore:green.gif[/img]




                              [/quote]




                              Im talking about his speed comparatively to the weakside ends in the classlike Quinn and Aldon Smith. I think his speed is good for a strongside end. I think he will have an advantage on the corner against RT's while maybe not against LT's. It should help him generate some more sacks and be an upper tier type rusher from the strongside while middle of the pack from the weakside.

                              [/quote] ya, maybe.. I'm not sold, that hes not super explosive from any side, and that hes not just a Good player, that can do damage against any Tackles, but i see what your saying.. I find overanalyzing sometimes of Prospects, on my part, and sometimes, i think we all do it.. Kerrigan to me, seems pretty agile, and athletic, but just adds some of the Strong side defensive End charecteristics to his game as well, like being powerful and stout against the run... I think u line em up against any Tackle, and hes got a shot, against a mid pack LT, hes gonna eat em up, fast or not... He does have one fast first step though, thats for sure... He also seems to get to 3rd gear pretty fast, and before u know it,hes on top of u.. I also like how he can get on top of a ball carrier before the ball carrier can really decide which way to go.. If a ball carrier wants to be tenative with this guy lingering, hes gonna find himself on the ground, behind the line, thats for sure... This kerrigan kid can ball...
                              [/quote]I think he may start his career as a weakside end add some bulk get up to 275 and flip to the strongside in a year or 2 kind of like Chris Long.Thats where I believe his long term spot is.But yeah i could be over doing it with the analyzing

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                                http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/...in-school.html




                                Wes Bunting




                                A look at five junior prospects whose draft stock would have been better served if they stayed in school for their senior year.




                                RB John Clay: Wisconsin
                                Clay is a guy who is never going to get much more explosive or dynamic, and maybe him thinking that the less wear and tear on his legs the better in terms of his pro career. However, when you watch the guy on tape heís just a really ďblahĒ athlete who is going to struggle to make anyone miss at the next level and is rarely going to be able to create for himself. Add in the two facts that the Wisconsin offense was actually better when he wasnít in the game and that this is a very deep running back class in 2011, and I have a hard time seeing Clay come off the board much before the later portions of the draft.




                                WR DeAndre Brown: Southern Miss
                                There is no question in my mind that this guy is an NFL-caliber talent. When healthy, Brown possesses a real burst for a big man, runs well after the catch and knows how to use his big frame to go up and get the football. However, heís suffered a number of injuries ever since the end of his freshman season and watching him at times this past year, he looked like a shell of the guy we saw in 2008. There are also character and immaturity issues with Brown as well. I thought if he were to come back for his senior year, put his best foot forward, prove heís healthy and have a strong year that he could make a run at the top-100 picks. However, with so many off the field and medical questions surrounding his name, I have a hard time seeing him go much before the final two rounds.




                                FS Will Hill: Florida
                                Hill is a former five-star recruit who has only one full year of starting experience while at Florida. And despite being an intriguing size/speed athlete the fact is the guy doesnít make many plays in the deep half on the football. He had only two interceptions in 2010, only one other pass breakup and when watching him on tape he isnít a real instinctive defender. Plus, heís not real polished in his drop, isnít real clean getting out of his breaks and isnít a real impressive tackler. He was a hyped-up recruit who got some pub early in his career because of his overall athletic ability. However, as a football player and safety the guy still has a long ways to go and would have been much better served in my view to stay at Florida for another year and develop at his trade.




                                OLB Thomas Keiser: Stanford
                                Keiser was a productive DE/OLB prospect for the Cardinal who recorded 19.5 sacks over the past three seasons, playing both from a two- and three-point stance. However, coming off a junior year where he had only 4.5 sacks standing up as a 34 OLB the thought was in most draft circles that he was definitely coming back. That wasnít the case. Since then Keiser was one of the notable snubs for the NFL Combine and will need to prove he has the kind of athleticism needed to be an effective pass rusher either at DE/OLB at his pro day only. He looks nothing more than a late-round pick at this stage, where as I thought if he were to come back for his senior year and have a productive season, the mid rounds could have been a likely possibility come 2012.




                                RB Darren Evans: Virginia Tech
                                Much like John Clay, I get the idea that a physical running back like Evans needs to come out as early as possible in order to limit the wear and tear on the tires. However, with Evans coming off a torn ACL that caused him to miss the 2009 season and showing no real burst to his game this past year, I think he would have been better served to take that second year of recovery where most athletes say you really start to get your initial explosion back. Evans now is a big medical concern who runs high and hard, doesnít have much wiggle to his game and is going to be nothing more than a late round/free agent type back. Heís also likely going to have a tough time making an NFL roster. Even if he was the number two guy at Virginia Tech next year, being able to show scouts heís healthier than he was in 2010 and have some kind of burst/explosion to his game ó unlike this year ó would have been better for his draft prospects than coming out early this year in a deep running back class with clear medical issues.

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