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  • Re: A look at the 2011 NFL draft

    [quote user="juice33s"][quote user="Redeyejedi"][quote user="juice33s"][quote user="Redeyejedi"]


    I was going to wait but since u asked




    Stephon Gilmore




    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UG8ESq72S9k










    Alshon Jeffery




    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-z3QG2Qo4A







    [/quote]
    Thanks nice vids, The Jeffery one was better quality, why was that?
    [/quote]




    Maybe I compressed it differently. Its from the same game. There not done I have some more games to add to both players. Plus i want to square the CB's. Im going to do a bunch of players.Im going to start with the SEC. My hope is to get a SECand maybe ACC draft blog up for the 2012 draft.I was going to work just the 2012 players but maybe i will do some for players that I havent seen videos for like Ahmad Black. Im also keeping track of the corners Forced INC rate and receivers targets/ catches.

    [/quote]
    There's definitely an audience for it. The football outsider guys seems to be making some good money on the NFL side of things, but I haven't seen anything like that for college football (Could be an untapped market)

    Also great game to do on Gilmore, I'm sure this time next year alot of people will want to see how he did going up against Julio Jones.
    [/quote]I have it differentiated by Zone or Man coverage as well.Im going to clean up the videos as well. I just wanted to get the clips separated by players. Im pretty excited to break down Janoris Jenkins

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    • Re: A look at the 2011 NFL draft

      [quote user="myles2424"]

      [quote user="nycsportzfan"]I am sitting here thinking, how the hell we aren't talking more about KJ Wright.. I keep forgetting about em, and noticed no one talking about em, but for a team that could certainly use a SLB, and Ayers most likley not being there when we pick in RD 1, KJ Wright is really a player we could target in the 3/4 rd range... I loved watching him play, and hes insanley good in Coverege for a player as big as he is, and he has very good speed, and some of the longest arms at the positon, and he was a no doubt leader of that turned around defense at Miss St... The guy finished 2nd on Miss St with 9pass defended, registered 3sacks, 98tackles, and was supposedly clocked as fast as 4.59 in the 40 yrd dash... This guy could be a super super player at the next level, and for someone i am so high on, i keep forgetting to talk more about em... Talk about flying under the radar.. I think Wrigth mite be one of the biggest steals in this draft, if he in fact does go in the 3rd-4th range....
      [/quote]




      I hear alot of good things about him....In paticular, him being good in coverage, That seems to be the missing link nowadays....




      I think he's 6'3 245, if he runs anything near a 4.59 he'll be looked at in the 2nd/3rd range with the season that he's had...

      [/quote] ya, hes extremely talented... I guess his attitude is downright terrific as well... The guys got the speed, size, attitude, and expierence. and is not 1dimensional.. Pretty much the complete package.... Hes one of my favorite prospects in this whole draft, and hes flying under the radar.... If he runs that 4.59, he won't be under the radar no more...lol

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      • Re: A look at the 2011 NFL draft

        [quote user="Redeyejedi"]

        I know everyone is in 2011 draft mode but im scribeing plays to make highlight videos of some 2012 players and thos kid Devonte Holloman S from SCcan really play. Mark Barron however looks horrible. I scribed 1 quarter so far and he has had a number of miscues. Devin Taylor the SCsoon to be Junior DE/SOLB 6-7 249 looks like he could be in for a monster year next season after 8 sacks in 2010. He looks comfortable standing up and in coverage should be looked at as a 3-4 OLB as well.

        [/quote] I was watching a virginia game this past yr, and trying to do some homework on Ras I Dowling, and this kid CHASE MINNIFIELD caught my eye... I would love to see some more video on this ballhawk... Kids got solid listed size and looks pretty big enough in person.. One things for sure, hes the guy that killed it when i was looking at RAS, and i am expecting him to be in RD 1 consideration next yr.. Check him out if u could, redeye....

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        • Re: A look at the 2011 NFL draft

          [quote user="nycsportzfan"][quote user="Redeyejedi"]


          I know everyone is in 2011 draft mode but im scribeing plays to make highlight videos of some 2012 players and thos kid Devonte Holloman S from SCcan really play. Mark Barron however looks horrible. I scribed 1 quarter so far and he has had a number of miscues. Devin Taylor the SCsoon to be Junior DE/SOLB 6-7 249 looks like he could be in for a monster year next season after 8 sacks in 2010. He looks comfortable standing up and in coverage should be looked at as a 3-4 OLB as well.




          [/quote] I was watching a virginia game this past yr, and trying to do some homework on Ras I Dowling, and this kid CHASE MINNIFIELD caught my eye... I would love to see some more video on this ballhawk... Kids got solid listed size and looks pretty big enough in person.. One things for sure, hes the guy that killed it when i was looking at RAS, and i am expecting him to be in RD 1 consideration next yr.. Check him out if u could, redeye....
          [/quote]




          yes i was saying that during the season when people still had dowling rated high. i think his teammate minnifield is much, much more impressive. same with curtis brown and aaron williams..

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          • Re: A look at the 2011 NFL draft

            [quote user="nycsportzfan"][quote user="Redeyejedi"]


            I know everyone is in 2011 draft mode but im scribeing plays to make highlight videos of some 2012 players and thos kid Devonte Holloman S from SCcan really play. Mark Barron however looks horrible. I scribed 1 quarter so far and he has had a number of miscues. Devin Taylor the SCsoon to be Junior DE/SOLB 6-7 249 looks like he could be in for a monster year next season after 8 sacks in 2010. He looks comfortable standing up and in coverage should be looked at as a 3-4 OLB as well.

            [/quote] I was watching a virginia game this past yr, and trying to do some homework on Ras I Dowling, and this kid CHASE MINNIFIELD caught my eye... I would love to see some more video on this ballhawk... Kids got solid listed size and looks pretty big enough in person.. One things for sure, hes the guy that killed it when i was looking at RAS, and i am expecting him to be in RD 1 consideration next yr.. Check him out if u could, redeye....
            [/quote]Yeah he is a guy i was planning to get something up on. Im working Alabama Florida now. I have to say Jenkins had a very strong game. Outside the first series there are barely any highlights or lowlights because he wasnt getting thrown at.It kinda sux because I want to make a video on him. LOL. I might make a video on Pouncey because he had a really poor game and I think maybe it should be shown

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            • Re: A look at the 2011 NFL draft



              heres a Mark Barron vid I started




              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfrFt6ZpL8I

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              • Re: A look at the 2011 NFL draft



                I would love a Janoris Jenkins vid.




                But anyway I'd be careful uploading these SEC videos, you're probably going to get suspended or the videos get removed if they get popular

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                • Re: A look at the 2011 NFL draft

                  [quote user="Neverend"]


                  I would love a Janoris Jenkins vid.




                  But anyway I'd be careful uploading these SEC videos, you're probably going to get suspended or the videos get removed if they get popular




                  [/quote]




                  There not Public. Im planning on pulling them down till there complete just wanted to give some of U guys a look at them. It takes so long to go over every play in a game and label them to a player and time. I wanted to throw something up after the time I spent. I wanted to label all the plays so when CJ Mosley ends up being a first round pick down the line I dont have to go over the whole game to find his plays

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                  • Re: A look at the 2011 NFL draft

                    [quote user="Neverend"]


                    I would love a Janoris Jenkins vid.




                    But anyway I'd be careful uploading these SEC videos, you're probably going to get suspended or the videos get removed if they get popular




                    [/quote]




                    I have the plays scribed for the Alabama game. Im going to do one of him. He only had 3 targets though. I will throw that one up for U guys to get a look at it when im done




                    Last one until Im finished with them. I have to find a program that puts the arrow over the player. But heres the raw clips of the Pouncy one im working on. This is from the Bama game




                    Mike Pouncy




                    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iv-s8qfuFEw

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                    • Re: A look at the 2011 NFL draft

                      [quote user="Redeyejedi"][quote user="Neverend"]


                      I would love a Janoris Jenkins vid.




                      But anyway I'd be careful uploading these SEC videos, you're probably going to get suspended or the videos get removed if they get popular




                      [/quote]




                      I have the plays scribed for the Alabama game. Im going to do one of him. He only had 3 targets though. I will throw that one up for U guys to get a look at it when im done




                      Last one until Im finished with them. I have to find a program that puts the arrow over the player. But heres the raw clips of the Pouncy one im working on. This is from the Bama game




                      Mike Pouncy




                      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iv-s8qfuFEw

                      [/quote]
                      About what I expected on Pouncey....Could he come in and start day one at LG?, Probably.....Is he worth a first round pick? **** No.

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                      • Re: A look at the 2011 NFL draft

                        Small note to pass on, South Carolina TE Weslye Saunders is now eligible for the NFL draft and will participate at the combine
                        http://www.teamspeedkills.com/2011/2...raft-after-all

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                        • Re: A look at the 2011 NFL draft

                          [quote user="juice33s"]Small note to pass on, South Carolina TE Weslye Saunders is now eligible for the NFL draft and will participate at the combine
                          http://www.teamspeedkills.com/2011/2...raft-after-all
                          [/quote]

                          Could be worth a Brashaw-esque late rounder. I wouldn't mind him as a player, its all the other crap that comes with him.

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                          • Re: A look at the 2011 NFL draft



                            Todd Mcshay LOL




                            http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...n-jake-locker/




                            Late last month, we noted the polarizing effect of Washington quarterback Jake Locker on draft analysts. Adam Caplan of FOX Sports and Russ Lande of Sporting News were thoroughly unimpressed with Locker’s Senior Bowl performance, while NFL Network’s Mike Mayock pinpointed Locker’s struggles as a pocket passer.




                            ESPN’s Todd McShay seemed to be Locker’s only steadfast backer left, alleging that the fifth-year senior’s “accuracy improved … each and every day” in Mobile. McShay claimed, at the time, that Locker helped his draft stock at the Senior Bowl.




                            Something changed since late January.




                            Appearing on SportsCenter Thursday, McShay was asked about risers and fallers at this point in draft season. After running through his list of risers (e.g. Alabama running back Mark Ingram and Texas A&M linebacker Von Miller), the first name McShay gave for his fallers was Washington quarterback Jake Locker.




                            McShay explained that Locker’s “fall” is attributable to poor accuracy, essentially the exact same criticism offered by Caplan and Lande, and alluded to by Mayock.




                            Perhaps McShay has been speaking to NFL scouts since the Senior Bowl. Those scouts were unimpressed with Locker’s practices, so McShay adjusted his evaluation accordingly.




                            Either that, or McShay is swiping other draft analysts’ ideas without assigning proper credit.




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                              Here is something I found from the Director of College Scouting from the Chicago Bears Greg Gabriel. He worked for the NY Giants for 16 year as a scout. Its from the National Football Post. Its on Scouting Quarterbacks.This is a good siteI would check it out if U have the time.Maybe U guys will find interesting.




                              http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/...Receivers.htmlSame thing but receivers and Tight ends




                              http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Scouting-the-Offensive-Line.htmlSame thing Oline




                              http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/...rterbacks.html




                              Greg Gabriel




                              Scouting quarterbacks looks like it can be fairly easy but in reality it can be a frustrating experience. There is so much more to it than just looking at stats. The college game is very different than the pro game. The vast majority of college offenses are some form of the spread, where the quarterback usually reads only half the field on a given play. What looks complex can be very simple when compared to what a quarterback is asked to do once he gets to the NFL.




                              Where is the starting point? That’s a good question and I’m sure that it varies from scout to scout. One of the first things I look for is if the prospect is capable of playing in the offense my team is running. Does he have the physical traits to play that offense? Most NFL offensive coordinators want size. The ideal player would be in the 6-3 to 6-5 range with a good degree of athleticism. Athleticism is more than speed; it’s the player’s quick feet, agility and body control. Brett Favre was far from being a fast guy but his quick feet in the pocket and his “feel” for pass rushers enabled him to keep plays alive. Quarterbacks who can make plays with their feet are highly valued.




                              More so than size and athleticism is the intangibles and what many call the “it” factor. Some have “it” and some don’t. “It” is a combination of things, starting with instincts. To be a successful quarterback in the NFL you have to have outstanding instincts. He has to anticipate and understand things extremely well. Intelligence is important, but in my view instincts are even more important. There have been many great quarterbacks through the years that didn’t have great natural intelligence but their instincts for the game were off the charts. Another part of the “it” factor is leadership and competitiveness. Most of the outstanding quarterbacks are great leaders and extremely competitive people. They hate to lose at anything. They have to have the feeling and have to give their teammates the feeling that they can get the job done. He has to be in total command. The shy, meek personality may have the physical traits but he just isn’t going to get his teammates to believe in him. That player will fail.




                              A few years ago, there was a quarterback in the draft that was highly touted by a lot of teams because of his physical traits. During the interview process, I talked to the player about his college career. His career started slowly but by the time he was a senior he had very good stats and won a lot of games. He told me that as an underclassman when he wasn’t as successful, he would walk around campus in a hooded sweatshirt with the hood up because he didn’t want people to recognize him. Right away I knew this player was not for me. He didn’t think of himself as a winner so how were his teammates going think he was a winner? This player was drafted in the first round but failed and there is not a doubt in my mind it was because he didn’t have “it.”




                              When looking at the physical traits, I look at a lot of things. Arm strength is, of course, very important but not the most important. If you’re looking for a quarterback to play in Chicago, Buffalo or New York, arm strength can be more important because of weather conditions. Players with weak arms are going to struggle in those places. Still, some players with average arms have succeeded because they spin the ball well. What do I mean by spin? When the ball comes out of the quarterback’s hands I look for a ball that has a tight spin and doesn’t flutter. A tight ball has a chance to “cut” through wind, but if a quarterback throws a loose ball the wind will take it all over the place.




                              Next, I look at the player’s release. Does he have a tight, compact delivery where he gets the ball out of his hand quickly or does he have a long windup? How is his footwork at delivery? Is he a quick stepper or a “long strider” into the throw? If I determine that he has a poor delivery, then I ask myself if it is something that can be corrected with coaching. You can work for months trying to correct a player’s delivery and then in the heat of battle he reverts back to his old form.




                              What’s difficult when scouting quarterbacks today is that you seldom see them take snaps from under center. They are always in the shotgun. You might think that because he is a quarterback he can of course take the snap. That’s not always the case. It’s a learned trait that has to be practiced. A few years ago at the Senior Bowl there were so many fumbled exchanges the first day of practice, both teams had to go to a spread-style offense in order to play the game. All six quarterbacks had played in spread formations and had taken very few snaps from under center. It was almost comical to watch. It’s imperative to work out a quarterback prospect who played in a spread formation in college.




                              Accuracy is a key component when evaluating a quarterback. Accuracy can be defined by completion percentage. but in my view it’s completion percentage and ball placement. In the college game, the window to complete a pass is usually fairly big; in the pro game it’s a lot tighter. Quarterbacks with good ball placement skills will consistently put the ball in an area where the receiver has a chance to do something after the catch. You also want the ball to be placed where the chance of interception is minimal.




                              When watching game tape of quarterbacks you also have to look at more than just his ability to make throws. You have to study how he performs in different situations. Does he make the big play when he has to? How many times does he make a first down throw when it’s third and long? How often does he sustain drives and put points on the board? What kind of points is he getting… field goals or touchdowns? Does he make the players around him better players? Is he a winner?




                              I could go on and on with this subject but we don’t have the space. I hope this gives you some idea of what it takes to scout quarterbacks for today’s NFL.










                              U think thats Jamarcus Russel

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                              • Re: A look at the 2011 NFL draft

                                [quote user="Redeyejedi"]

                                Todd Mcshay LOL




                                http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...n-jake-locker/




                                Late last month, we noted the polarizing effect of Washington quarterback Jake Locker on draft analysts. Adam Caplan of FOX Sports and Russ Lande of Sporting News were thoroughly unimpressed with Locker’s Senior Bowl performance, while NFL Network’s Mike Mayock pinpointed Locker’s struggles as a pocket passer.




                                ESPN’s Todd McShay seemed to be Locker’s only steadfast backer left, alleging that the fifth-year senior’s “accuracy improved … each and every day” in Mobile. McShay claimed, at the time, that Locker helped his draft stock at the Senior Bowl.




                                Something changed since late January.




                                Appearing on SportsCenter Thursday, McShay was asked about risers and fallers at this point in draft season. After running through his list of risers (e.g. Alabama running back Mark Ingram and Texas A&M linebacker Von Miller), the first name McShay gave for his fallers was Washington quarterback Jake Locker.




                                McShay explained that Locker’s “fall” is attributable to poor accuracy, essentially the exact same criticism offered by Caplan and Lande, and alluded to by Mayock.




                                Perhaps McShay has been speaking to NFL scouts since the Senior Bowl. Those scouts were unimpressed with Locker’s practices, so McShay adjusted his evaluation accordingly.




                                Either that, or McShay is swiping other draft analysts’ ideas without assigning proper credit.




                                [/quote]
                                Personally McShay's always struck me as a pompous jerk and I really don't care for the guy

                                On a side note I'd take Ponder, Kapernick and Dalton before Locker

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