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  • #46
    Originally posted by TheAnalyst View Post
    I agree they help, but the very fact we can win without them to me de values them and makes them not worth the #12 pick unless we are a great TE away from being a monster, which we are not. And if you think Gronk, Graham and Davis are the reasons those teams are contenders, check out what they were doing before those guys came in. Pats were winning Superbowls, BRADY and BELICHECK are the reasons. Saints won it all before Graham. BREES and PEYTON are the reason. Davis was nearly kicked off the team before a great coach came along.
    You could say the same about Mike Evans who compares to Vincent Jackson or Alshon Jeffrey... none of them have won a Super Bowl so we don't need Evans. Or Donald who compares to Genoa Atkins... he hasn't one a Super Bowl so we don't need Donald.

    I understand what you mean but I don't necessarily agree with it. I mean you are entitled to your own opinion so I'm not going to bash it. I think Ebron is a rare TE who could help out a position that is a major need and he would open stuff up for the WR's. His "poor" blocking is exaggerated. A lot of people make it seem like people get by him 90% of the time. He has been working on that area of his game and the team that drafts him will continue to develop his blocking. As for the drops.. people make it sound like he has stone hands but a lot are very poor placed balls. Don't get me wrong I have seen some pretty bad drops but they were focus drops like Cruz seems to have multiple on week 1 each year. I am not going to worry about 8 drops or his blocking that he's working on and can continue to develop over the years
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    1st) O.J Howard TE Bama 2nd) D. Walker DE F.S.U 3rd) S. Perine RB Oklahoma
    4th) E. Magnuson OT/OG Mich 5th) J. Replogle DT Purde
    6th) Fred Ross WR Miss St 7th) J. Reeves-Maybin LB Tenn
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    • #47
      Originally posted by NYGfanSTRICK View Post
      You could say the same about Mike Evans who compares to Vincent Jackson or Alshon Jeffrey... none of them have won a Super Bowl so we don't need Evans. Or Donald who compares to Genoa Atkins... he hasn't one a Super Bowl so we don't need Donald.

      I understand what you mean but I don't necessarily agree with it. I mean you are entitled to your own opinion so I'm not going to bash it. I think Ebron is a rare TE who could help out a position that is a major need and he would open stuff up for the WR's. His "poor" blocking is exaggerated. A lot of people make it seem like people get by him 90% of the time. He has been working on that area of his game and the team that drafts him will continue to develop his blocking. As for the drops.. people make it sound like he has stone hands but a lot are very poor placed balls. Don't get me wrong I have seen some pretty bad drops but they were focus drops like Cruz seems to have multiple on week 1 each year. I am not going to worry about 8 drops or his blocking that he's working on and can continue to develop over the years
      Spot on post, I've watched Cruz drop more good passes than Ebron this year. A TE will only help not hinder a team
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      1. Christian McCaffrey RB Stanford
      2. Raekwon McMillan ILB Ohio State
      3. Roderick Johnson OT Florida State
      4. Jordan Leggett TE Clemson
      5. Ryan Glasgow DT Michegan
      6. Chad Kelly QB Ole Miss
      7. Billy Brown WR Shepherd

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      • #48
        Originally posted by NYGfanSTRICK View Post
        You could say the same about Mike Evans who compares to Vincent Jackson or Alshon Jeffrey... none of them have won a Super Bowl so we don't need Evans. Or Donald who compares to Genoa Atkins... he hasn't one a Super Bowl so we don't need Donald.

        I understand what you mean but I don't necessarily agree with it. I mean you are entitled to your own opinion so I'm not going to bash it. I think Ebron is a rare TE who could help out a position that is a major need and he would open stuff up for the WR's. His "poor" blocking is exaggerated. A lot of people make it seem like people get by him 90% of the time. He has been working on that area of his game and the team that drafts him will continue to develop his blocking. As for the drops.. people make it sound like he has stone hands but a lot are very poor placed balls. Don't get me wrong I have seen some pretty bad drops but they were focus drops like Cruz seems to have multiple on week 1 each year. I am not going to worry about 8 drops or his blocking that he's working on and can continue to develop over the years
        You obviously have no idea what I mean by reading your first paragraph. I rank WRs a lot higher on the value chart than TEs or RBs. Same with DTs or DEs. Those are positions I would always consider in the first if the right player came along. TE and RB I would not.

        Maybe in our new system, the TE is more important and we need a TE like Ebron. Until I see it I wont know. One thing is for sure, Gilbride's TEs were not that talented and not very important. You could find one on the street and plug and play.
        Last edited by TheAnalyst; 04-08-2014, 01:36 PM.
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        • #49
          Originally posted by TheAnalyst View Post
          You obviously have no idea what I mean by reading your first paragraph. I rank WRs a lot higher on the value chart than TEs or RBs. Same with DTs or DEs. Those are positions I would always consider in the first if the right player came along. TE and RB I would not.
          I know that you meant that I have read your posts... I am saying when you say that a TE won't help us win a SB because the top TE's haven't won one... I continued to say that I didn't agree with the statement because you could say the same for guys like Donald and Evans..

          That is fine if you rank WR's higher and DT's higher... I can understand that. When you factor in that we don't have a TE that is worth starting and the Giants and obviously showing a lot of trust in Randle and JJ. I would rank TE more of a priority. You can get an elite TE talent in Ebron in round 1. There are still guys who are very good talents in the 2nd round in this draft at the WR position. Jordan Matthews, Allen Robinson, Davante Adams, etc.. could all be there in the 2nd round when we pick.

          IMO it is Donald vs Ebron... Evans will more than likely be gone. Donald is a great talent but I feel far more confident in the DT position right now when compared to the TE position. Donald might not start if he is picked. That has to be considered... he will make an impact no doubt but will he make as much of an impact as a guy like Ebron will have on the offense instantly? That's all I'm saying
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          1st) O.J Howard TE Bama 2nd) D. Walker DE F.S.U 3rd) S. Perine RB Oklahoma
          4th) E. Magnuson OT/OG Mich 5th) J. Replogle DT Purde
          6th) Fred Ross WR Miss St 7th) J. Reeves-Maybin LB Tenn
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          • #50
            Originally posted by TheAnalyst View Post
            You obviously have no idea what I mean by reading your first paragraph. I rank WRs a lot higher on the value chart than TEs or RBs. Same with DTs or DEs. Those are positions I would always consider in the first if the right player came along. TE and RB I would not.

            Maybe in our new system, the TE is more important and we need a TE like Ebron. Until I see it I wont know. One thing is for sure, Gilbride's TEs were not that talented and not very important. You could find one on the street and plug and play.
            i think your second paragraph is the most important part of this whole conversation. Weve all grown accustomed to not having a valued TE from the Gilbride offense. and weve been in that offense for 7 years. we have a whole new offense coming in so that could very well change. And McAdoo has a history of TEs and the GB offense used the TE how Ebron would more than likely have to be used to be successful. The 1st part with Gilbride is why people think we can get a TE later and should avoid Ebron, the 2nd part with GB offense n McAdoo being a former TE coach is why people believe Ebron is the best choice for us.

            my point i been trying to say the whole time is, we dont know what this offense will be like. everyone thinks they know whats best for the team weather we should take Ebron in round 1 or wait for like Niklas or someone later, but the fact is none of us know and none of us know whats best for this offense yet, because not one single person has an idea what the offense will even look like.

            who the Giants draft at TE and where they're drafted will tell A LOT about how this offense will be used, and the same could go for WR as in who and where the WR is drafted. if we get a guy like Ebron, ASJ, or Amaro you can bet well be one of those teams that utilizes the TE in the slot often and is a focal point of the offense. if we draft Niklas or Friedowicz or whatever then we could be seeing more inline TE like were used to seeing. Where TE is drafted and the player who is selected will tell everything about how McAdoo plans to use the TE position. If we draft a WR in round 1 though like Evans you can bet that the WR will be the most important part of the passing game as it was in Gilbrides offense.

            This draft will tell us a lot about how this offense plans to go for this upcoming season.

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            • #51
              Originally posted by gibril28wilson View Post

              my point i been trying to say the whole time is, we dont know what this offense will be like. everyone thinks they know whats best for the team weather we should take Ebron in round 1 or wait for like Niklas or someone later, but the fact is none of us know and none of us know whats best for this offense yet, because not one single person has an idea what the offense will even look like.

              who the Giants draft at TE and where they're drafted will tell A LOT about how this offense will be used, and the same could go for WR as in who and where the WR is drafted. if we get a guy like Ebron, ASJ, or Amaro you can bet well be one of those teams that utilizes the TE in the slot often and is a focal point of the offense. if we draft Niklas or Friedowicz or whatever then we could be seeing more inline TE like were used to seeing. Where TE is drafted and the player who is selected will tell everything about how McAdoo plans to use the TE position. If we draft a WR in round 1 though like Evans you can bet that the WR will be the most important part of the passing game as it was in Gilbrides offense.

              This draft will tell us a lot about how this offense plans to go for this upcoming season.
              agreed
              2017 Draft Wishlist:
              1. Christian McCaffrey RB Stanford
              2. Raekwon McMillan ILB Ohio State
              3. Roderick Johnson OT Florida State
              4. Jordan Leggett TE Clemson
              5. Ryan Glasgow DT Michegan
              6. Chad Kelly QB Ole Miss
              7. Billy Brown WR Shepherd

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              • #52
                Ebron > ASJ > Niklas

                Not sure how I feel about Amaro, to be honest - luckily he should be gone before our 2nd round pick to even think about it.

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by Plaxicofan7 View Post
                  Ebron > ASJ > Niklas

                  Not sure how I feel about Amaro, to be honest - luckily he should be gone before our 2nd round pick to even think about it.
                  He's a lot better than Niklas, that you can count on. We'd be lucky if Amaro is there in 2nd.
                  2017 Draft Wishlist:
                  1. Christian McCaffrey RB Stanford
                  2. Raekwon McMillan ILB Ohio State
                  3. Roderick Johnson OT Florida State
                  4. Jordan Leggett TE Clemson
                  5. Ryan Glasgow DT Michegan
                  6. Chad Kelly QB Ole Miss
                  7. Billy Brown WR Shepherd

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by TAILGATIN' View Post
                    He's a lot better than Niklas, that you can count on. We'd be lucky if Amaro is there in 2nd.
                    totally diffrent TEs.. Hard to compare them

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by Carter.525 View Post
                      totally diffrent TEs.. Hard to compare them
                      Well then why is Amaro above him in every single rankings list Ive come across? (besides stupid WalterFootball). Yah theyre different, but Amaro is the overall better player and has more upside. Id be happy with Niklas, but Im really hoping McAdoo and Gilbride get our TEs more involved in the receiving game, which would suit Amaro better.
                      2017 Draft Wishlist:
                      1. Christian McCaffrey RB Stanford
                      2. Raekwon McMillan ILB Ohio State
                      3. Roderick Johnson OT Florida State
                      4. Jordan Leggett TE Clemson
                      5. Ryan Glasgow DT Michegan
                      6. Chad Kelly QB Ole Miss
                      7. Billy Brown WR Shepherd

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                      • #56
                        No one has been complaining about the TE position even in gilbrides offense than me, you can look back at my posts in this forum back 3 years. I am still a little peeved Reese forced the Wilson pick down our throats as the BPA pick when C.Fleener was on the board.

                        I have been paying a lot of attention to the TE's this year was well as last year, I said last year we should of picked up Williams from Alabama in the late rounds if they didn't want to invest in one in the early rounds, at 19 I was hoping they would of picked T.Eifert.

                        E.Ebron is not as complete of a TE as Eifert was coming out, Eifert was drafted at 21. Z.Ertz was drafted 35 who I would put slightly behind Ebron as a complete prospect coming out. IMHO not at 12, 19+ sure.

                        When I think of Amaro, I think in an offense like a west coast one, he would be maximal option for that offense. pending he slips (cross fingers) he can be obtained in the 2nd round. I think the production fans are expecting with Ebron will be the same with Amaro. This is not the 2006 draft where the first TE taken was worlds apart of the second one taken off the board (V.Davis/M.Lewis) E.Ebron and J.Amaro are 1a/1b and based on these:

                        Receiving consistency
                        route running to gain separation
                        Amaro is 1a and Ebron is 1b.

                        Also we cannot make the excuse he gets errant passes which equated to his drop passes and then say man… he makes all these circus catches, if he can make a acrobatic catch which usually is a receiver pulling in an almost uncatchable ball, then he should be able to make almost all of them. to call it a drop means it was in his hands and he dropped it, not it grazed his fingers and couldn't get up enough to bring it in, thats an errant pass.

                        I like Ebron, I want him on this team just not at 12.

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by TAILGATIN' View Post
                          Well then why is Amaro above him in every single rankings list Ive come across? (besides stupid WalterFootball). Yah theyre different, but Amaro is the overall better player and has more upside. Id be happy with Niklas, but Im really hoping McAdoo and Gilbride get our TEs more involved in the receiving game, which would suit Amaro better.
                          If Niklas waited a year to come out.. He'd be a 1st rounder as well..

                          I'd prefer Niklas over Amaro, due to his blocking... 6'7 270... Total beast

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by TAILGATIN' View Post
                            hoping McAdoo gets our TEs more involved in the receiving game, which would suit Amaro better.
                            This, it will suit Ebron as well, but the better route runner is Amaro.
                            I hate that Ebron like M.Bennett rounds his routes, you don't get separation that way

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by Carter.525 View Post
                              If Niklas waited a year to come out.. He'd be a 1st rounder as well..

                              I'd prefer Niklas over Amaro, due to his blocking... 6'7 270... Total beast
                              Which offense are you running by chance to choose Niklas over Amaro?

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by rainierjef View Post
                                Which offense are you running by chance to choose Niklas over Amaro?
                                NY Giants football... the finesse TE worked really good last year.. huh?

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