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  • #16
    Originally posted by Mookskingdom View Post
    Trade up to get Evans if you have too
    He's not very fast. Not slow of course but if you want to take a WR at 12, he better be the complete package in my view.
    That scheme he played in is a problem as well.
    Last edited by Morehead State; 03-29-2014, 07:39 PM.
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    • #17
      There have been some reports (I think Graziano from ESPN) that the Giants view Schwartz as our swing tackle in case Beatty isn't ready for the beginning of the season. We'll just insert Jerry, who has been a starter for two years. I don't see the Giants thinking a guard at 12 is good value, and even if you view Martin as a tackle, what do you do with Beatty when he comes back? Either way, the Giants would've have spent at least one of our last two first rounders on a guard?? Not sure about that.

      Just my guess, but I don't think the chances of us drafting an offensive lineman are particularly high.
      Last edited by Sosynciere; 03-29-2014, 08:04 PM.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by 0 Blue Meanie 0 View Post
        Trade back if possible and get Kelvin Benjamin...
        I'm all for it.

        Nevermind, the oxygen in my space helmet is working again.
        2017 Draft Wishlist:
        1. Christian McCaffrey RB Stanford
        2. Raekwon McMillan ILB Ohio State
        3. Roderick Johnson OT Florida State
        4. Jordan Leggett TE Clemson
        5. Ryan Glasgow DT Michegan
        6. Chad Kelly QB Ole Miss
        7. Billy Brown WR Shepherd

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        • #19
          Originally posted by TAILGATIN' View Post
          I'm all for it.

          Nevermind, the oxygen in my space helmet is working again.
          I think he has a valid point. If were able to pick say in mid 20s and grab another 2nd or 3rd by trading the 12th pick, Benjamin wouldn't be a bad choice
          Football has been very, very good to us.
          After losing seasons 2013-15, the giants put up 11 wins in 16.. they are on way Back
          But for now we can console ourselves with this fact-

          # of Super Bowl victories since 1985:

          1-Chicago, St. Louis, Tampa Bay, Indianapolis, New Orleans, Seattle
          2-Washington, Green Bay, Pittsburgh, Baltimore
          3-San Francisco, Dallas, Denver
          4-New York Giants!!!
          5-NE
          Let's make it 5 in 2016 so we can be on a LINE NE again!!!

          ***Stat provided by "Schloss22"***

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          • #20
            Kids got tremendous raw talent and we wouldn't need him to jump right in and start
            Football has been very, very good to us.
            After losing seasons 2013-15, the giants put up 11 wins in 16.. they are on way Back
            But for now we can console ourselves with this fact-

            # of Super Bowl victories since 1985:

            1-Chicago, St. Louis, Tampa Bay, Indianapolis, New Orleans, Seattle
            2-Washington, Green Bay, Pittsburgh, Baltimore
            3-San Francisco, Dallas, Denver
            4-New York Giants!!!
            5-NE
            Let's make it 5 in 2016 so we can be on a LINE NE again!!!

            ***Stat provided by "Schloss22"***

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            • #21
              Originally posted by BlueSanta View Post
              Trade down theories are nice, but it isn't that easy. You need a team willing to trade up and give you what you want. Until that happens it is just fantasy.
              Don't want to get into a pointless discussion here but its funny how lots of members here keep saying isn't easy to find a trading partner to trade up or down and every single year ( with facts actually ) there's a new record for trades . Agree that it takes two for tango but I see it quite easy to make a trade.
              " Success is never final, but failure can be " B.P.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by miked1958 View Post
                Kids got tremendous raw talent and we wouldn't need him to jump right in and start
                After the season we just had, you think it's a good idea to trade back and use our first pick of the draft on a project who might not start or get beat out at camp? I don't think I could watch football this year if we made this move.
                Plus, we do need someone to jump right in and start because we really have no proven talent to take some of the heat off Cruz.
                Last edited by TAILGATIN'; 03-30-2014, 11:20 AM.
                2017 Draft Wishlist:
                1. Christian McCaffrey RB Stanford
                2. Raekwon McMillan ILB Ohio State
                3. Roderick Johnson OT Florida State
                4. Jordan Leggett TE Clemson
                5. Ryan Glasgow DT Michegan
                6. Chad Kelly QB Ole Miss
                7. Billy Brown WR Shepherd

                sigpic
                "Behold, the tailgate party. The pinnacle of human achievement. Since the dawn of parking lots, man has sought to fill his gut with food and alcohol in anticipation of watching others exercise."
                - Homer J. Simpson

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Carter.525 View Post
                  He's mocked to the Ravens (#17) and Dolphins (#19) a lot.. That's a small window to trade back, but it's possible

                  If all the Giants top guys are gone.. Martin is a good fall back plan
                  I would be willing to take that chance. Martin is a late first to early second rounder to me. I honestly don't see much of a difference between him and Joel Bitonio from Nevada.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by tdawg1413 View Post
                    I would be willing to take that chance. Martin is a late first to early second rounder to me. I honestly don't see much of a difference between him and Joel Bitonio from Nevada.
                    I won't pretend to have my own opinion on this as I don't watch a lot of college ball and lack the knowledge to know exactly what I'm looking at even when I do watch but, based on what I've read, the consensus is that Martin will be someone you can throw at guard and watch him do well for a decade. He has the added bonus of being versatile like Pugh.

                    If I can get him and a second rounder for our 12th pick, I'm happy. Relying on Snee or The Bully will make me sad. Snee bouncing back to pro bowl form for a year with Martin ready to step in will make me happy again.

                    From what I've read, (again, I don't know one way or the other) we can get a possible year one starter at WR or TE in the second round (TE more likely). We do that and have Martin, we have a much better run game with Jennings. Better run game will equal a bounce back year for Eil. That coupled with improved defense and we are super bowl bound (of course).

                    My biggest concern with the above scenario is finding a replacement for Tuck - can we get a DE who can apply a little pressure while still stopping the run with the extra second or post June 1st cuts?

                    All that being said, I prefer Evans at 12 and the above as a fall-back.

                    To G-man Surge: I agree that some of us are missing the point of discussing this scenario but I think you go too far in saying it would be "easy" to trade down. If Evans isn't an option, I can only hope there are players the Giants don't want that someone else does so the Giants have a partner. Esay - probably not. But not a fantasy either.

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