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  • #16
    Originally posted by Kase-1 View Post
    Strength = Higher Reps

    Clear correlation

    Much clearer than having short arms makes for more reps
    No. It's not.

    Shorter armed guys have a massive advantage on the bench.

    That's why the guys with short arms are the ones getting crazy 40+ numbers

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Kase-1 View Post
      But then wouldnt only short guys get alot of reps??

      Thats not the case though, yes he has shorter arms than a knuckle-dragger like JPP but he's also stronger

      The way slip made it seem was that any whimpy Trex armed NFLer could put up 50 reps no prob cause they have short arms

      Do short armed guys always put up more reps?? NO
      Do stronger guys put up more reps?? Yes
      I see what you are saying. But the overall point with the arm length and reps is that it can make guys who are weaker appear stronger. Yes, strong guys put up a lot of reps, but if they have shorter arms then a guy who put up the same number of reps, there is that caveat

      Point is, the bench is a measure of strength. However, if a guy has longer or shorter arms than average, you do need to take that into account

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      • #18
        Originally posted by slipknottin View Post
        No. It's not.

        Shorter armed guys have a massive advantage on the bench.

        That's why the guys with short arms are the ones getting crazy 40+ numbers
        What about guys that are strong, do they not have a massive advantage on the bench as well???

        Those guys may have short arms but you're not putting up 40reps unless you have strength, I dont care how short your arms are

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        • #19
          Originally posted by ELIte4MVP View Post
          I see what you are saying. But the overall point with the arm length and reps is that it can make guys who are weaker appear stronger. Yes, strong guys put up a lot of reps, but if they have shorter arms then a guy who put up the same number of reps, there is that caveat

          Point is, the bench is a measure of strength. However, if a guy has longer or shorter arms than average, you do need to take that into account
          Who really cares about combines and pro days, for me its all about your game tape.

          Slip is making it seem that any weakling with short arms can put up 50 reps because they have TRex arms. Yes short arms might help, but you arent putting up any reps unless you're strong, its plain and simple

          I dont agree with the combine drills, when is someone running without pads, doing a standing high jump or broad jump, or doing the bench press. Its a way to measure speed, strength, agility, etc but the best way to do that is game tape
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          • #20
            Slip I know that the reps are easier if you have shorter arms since it is common sense you don't have to bench it as high as other players but Donald does have great strength. His bench total isn't all because of his shorter arms. He sat Cyril Richardson on his *** when he was considered possibly the best Guard prospect at the time. Plus Richardson outweighs him by like 50 pounds. His short arms didn't do that. That was his strength. When you watch him play he is quick enough that the Guards cannot get their hands locked on him and he is strong enough to destroy double teams. He is a beast
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            • #21
              IMO as it pertains to Donald I feel that as a DT in the NFL he has boom or bust written all over him. Yes Donald is fast for a 285lb man but he is short with Short arms playing against guys much bigger and experienced in dealing with fast guys. Aaron Donald is no Clowney and lets not make the mistake and act as if he is. He is not the answer as a 3T. He will be one dimesional if he pans out. he is not gonna be able to hold up against the run he will get killed and run all over. Thats why people out there like me would rather see the Giants take a guy like Jerrnigan or Nix they are guys who can fit into more schemes cause they can stop the run and rush the passer. Nix may be big and not as fast as Donald but he has a quick first step for a 335 pounder.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Kase-1 View Post
                What about guys that are strong, do they not have a massive advantage on the bench as well???

                Those guys may have short arms but you're not putting up 40reps unless you have strength, I dont care how short your arms are

                ...Sometimes I feel like you argue just to argue
                You are just missing half of the meaning of the bench numbers.

                Work = force * distance


                You are eliminating distance from the equation and saying strength = reps.

                That's massively incorrect.

                A guy could do the same number of reps as donald, but if his arm length is twice as long he has done twice the work

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by slipknottin View Post
                  You are just missing half of the meaning of the bench numbers.

                  Work = force * distance


                  You are eliminating distance from the equation and saying strength = reps.

                  That's massively incorrect.

                  A guy could do the same number of reps as donald, but if his arm length is twice as long he has done twice the work
                  Very true....Short arm guys have a huge advantage in the bench press.
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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Kase-1 View Post
                    Who really cares about combines and pro days, for me its all about your game tape.

                    Slip is making it seem that any weakling with short arms can put up 50 reps because they have TRex arms. Yes short arms might help, but you arent putting up any reps unless you're strong, its plain and simple

                    I dont agree with the combine drills, when is someone running without pads, doing a standing high jump or broad jump, or doing the bench press. Its a way to measure speed, strength, agility, etc but the best way to do that is game tape
                    I like the combine and pro days to confirm what you already knew about a guy, open up your eyes about things you may have overlooked (and go back to the tape with that in mind), or opens your eyes about a guy you didnt know about before and you then check his tape out

                    thats all. it is definitely blown up to be more than it is

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by slipknottin View Post
                      You are just missing half of the meaning of the bench numbers.

                      Work = force * distance


                      You are eliminating distance from the equation and saying strength = reps.

                      That's massively incorrect.

                      A guy could do the same number of reps as donald, but if his arm length is twice as long he has done twice the work
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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by NYGfanSTRICK View Post
                        Slip I know that the reps are easier if you have shorter arms since it is common sense you don't have to bench it as high as other players but Donald does have great strength. His bench total isn't all because of his shorter arms. He sat Cyril Richardson on his *** when he was considered possibly the best Guard prospect at the time. Plus Richardson outweighs him by like 50 pounds. His short arms didn't do that. That was his strength. When you watch him play he is quick enough that the Guards cannot get their hands locked on him and he is strong enough to destroy double teams. He is a beast

                        Donald has massive lower body strength and can play with excellent leverage due to his height.

                        That's where I would argue his power comes from. Not his arm strength.

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                        • #27
                          Well oversimplifications, but quantity reps does not indicate strength. Muscle endurance within a rapid set varies wildly upon everyone regardless of their max bench. I'm willing to bet that NFL teams don't put too much stock into it, at least not in comparing one player's to another to determine strength. If anything, there's a cutoff number at each position that is just a gauge to show a commitment to training. Some of the strongest players in the each draft class put up lower numbers than their peers.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by slipknottin View Post
                            Donald has massive lower body strength and can play with excellent leverage due to his height.

                            That's where I would argue his power comes from. Not his arm strength.
                            i find it interesting that they do not do a leg press or anything like that at the combine. what are your thoughts on that?

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by slipknottin View Post
                              You are just missing half of the meaning of the bench numbers.

                              Work = force * distance


                              You are eliminating distance from the equation and saying strength = reps.

                              That's massively incorrect.

                              A guy could do the same number of reps as donald, but if his arm length is twice as long he has done twice the work
                              I see we are yet again going to debate in circles and circles.

                              So according to you any weakling with short arms can put up more reps than a beast with long arms??

                              You are taking strength out of the equation completely and thats incorrect. I said before that it is easier with short arms but you cant put up 50reps without strength and you arent grasping that
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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by penguinfarmer View Post
                                Well oversimplifications, but quantity reps does not indicate strength. Muscle endurance within a rapid set varies wildly upon everyone regardless of their max bench. I'm willing to bet that NFL teams don't put too much stock into it, at least not in comparing one player's to another to determine strength. If anything, there's a cutoff number at each position that is just a gauge to show a commitment to training. Some of the strongest players in the each draft class put up lower numbers than their peers.
                                I agree with this as well.

                                Though it has it's value as an upper body endurance test. Guys do play a bunch of snaps in a row.

                                I do think it is an incredibly poor measurment of actual strength

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