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  • why was Grimble an UDFA?

    i've watched his film, and i like him better than all the prospects outside of Ebron. Grimble was an excellent RZ threat, could seal the edge in the run game, was dangerous up the seam, and ran more routes in the route tree than the TE's outside of Ebron. he has the frame, but needs to add some bulk, yes. but, there no way Nicklas, Feidoweorijlsd or whatever his name is, or even ASJ were that much better of a prospect that they got drafted in the mid rounds and Grimble went undrafted.

    did he have some off field issues or something? 11 TD grabs is 11 TD grabs. he also was playing at USC when their coaching and program system were all out of whack. i cant see a glaring reason this kid went undrafted...

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    I was thinking the same exact thing.
    I posted this opinion in a different thread here, and some responded by saying he was "too slow".
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    • #3
      27 TEs were invited to the combine. 10 got drafted

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      • #4
        Originally posted by slipknottin View Post
        27 TEs were invited to the combine. 10 got drafted
        Wow . . . . is that the case most years, or was this just a real weak TE class?

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        • #5
          Originally posted by TCHOF View Post
          Wow . . . . is that the case most years, or was this just a real weak TE class?
          It was a terrible TE class.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by giantsfan420 View Post
            i've watched his film, and i like him better than all the prospects outside of Ebron. Grimble was an excellent RZ threat, could seal the edge in the run game, was dangerous up the seam, and ran more routes in the route tree than the TE's outside of Ebron. he has the frame, but needs to add some bulk, yes. but, there no way Nicklas, Feidoweorijlsd or whatever his name is, or even ASJ were that much better of a prospect that they got drafted in the mid rounds and Grimble went undrafted.

            did he have some off field issues or something? 11 TD grabs is 11 TD grabs. he also was playing at USC when their coaching and program system were all out of whack. i cant see a glaring reason this kid went undrafted...
            I thought he was the 6th best TE in the class.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Redeyejedi View Post
              I thought he was the 6th best TE in the class.
              yeah i was being over the top. i tend to do that. but i def dont see him being outside the other 4 TE's taken after Ebron. there were things i liked about him over the 2-5 TE's. Like the Feidohowever its spelled TE, was so unathletic in his movements as a receiver. actually, that was the case as well with ASJ. Ebron was the better pass option, followed by Amaro, then I guess ASJ, Feid (the iowa state TE), then Niklas based off the scouts I followed. Grimble is right behind Amaro imho in that regard. As a run blocker, he was actually pretty decent-solid at times. i at least saw that he has the ability, whether he harnessed it repeatedly or not, to technically seal off the edge and create an alley. i didnt see ebron do that at all really, same with Amaro. Grimble was used both inline and as a Y and as a motion FB. i'm very stoked we got him, but cant see how he wasnt at least drafted. he also played with more leverage in the pass game meaning i saw him understand he can use his body like a basketball player and create a window even with tight coverage.

              i actually think this kid could actually end up becoming Ballard the 2nd. not strictly in terms of playing time as a rookie, but have the actual success ballard did as quickly as he did as an UDFA. if robinson and DOnnell dont show they can be the guy, wouldnt surprise me if Grimble is starting at some point. I mean fwiw, DOnnell looked absolutely lost and clumsy a lot of the time when he was on the field. robinson never ever saw the field in any sort of meaningful capacity.

              hopefully a team with a few quality TE's decides to cut one for the June 1rst cuts and we can claim him.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by giantsfan420 View Post
                i've watched his film, and i like him better than all the prospects outside of Ebron. Grimble was an excellent RZ threat, could seal the edge in the run game, was dangerous up the seam, and ran more routes in the route tree than the TE's outside of Ebron. he has the frame, but needs to add some bulk, yes. but, there no way Nicklas, Feidoweorijlsd or whatever his name is, or even ASJ were that much better of a prospect that they got drafted in the mid rounds and Grimble went undrafted.

                did he have some off field issues or something? 11 TD grabs is 11 TD grabs. he also was playing at USC when their coaching and program system were all out of whack. i cant see a glaring reason this kid went undrafted...
                I think it's because it was indeed a train wreck, so scouts stayed clear. Not just because of play on the field, there were other issues. It's hard enough for some teams scouts to go to the West coast to see teams, more money on travel, but it's hard to judge the guy when the whole team plays without coordination. Doesn't mean he couldn't become a serviceable TE. When I watched him in PAC12 play, I would say he was solid in everything they asked him to do. Just not crazy athletic like some of the other TE's. So he didn't stand out either.

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                • #9
                  Because he is slow as Bear Pascoe

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Geebanga718 View Post
                    Because he is slow as Bear Pascoe
                    Yea. He's about as explosive as Jake Ballard. Which says something because Ballard is the opposite of explosive.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by slipknottin View Post
                      Yea. He's about as explosive as Jake Ballard. Which says something because Ballard is the opposite of explosive.
                      He looks like he should be explosive though right? I always liked his tape though. I dont think he is an elite level talent but I didnt see a huge gap between him and C.J. Fiedorowicz. He could easily flameout before camp starts but I gave a draftable grade to Ballard and he looked like an NFL player before he got hurt
                      Last edited by Redeyejedi; 05-20-2014, 09:04 AM.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by slipknottin View Post
                        Yea. He's about as explosive as Jake Ballard. Which says something because Ballard is the opposite of explosive.
                        Yet he was a key part in our superbowl run. Him and Pascoe. ITs the kind of TE we love. McAdoo did not change that.
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                        • #13
                          CBS ranked him as the 293rd prospect, 17th best TE in 2014, a 7th-UDFA pick.

                          STRENGTHS: Grimble looks like a power forward on the field, possessing broad shoulders and a well-built frame. While he isn't exactly light-footed, he has deceptive speed down the seam due to his long strides and is an imposing runner after the catch who can bull his way through would-be tacklers.

                          He can extend to make the tough catch and is a solid run blocker who keeps his shoulders square and has long, strong arms to lock out his opponent. Good vision and hand-eye coordination to track the ball over his shoulder. Uses his frame well to buy space and can make the contested catch with defenders draped over him. Coming off a poor season and could slip in the draft to the point where he's a steal. Draft stock took a hit from being considered a mid-round prospect entering his junior season.


                          WEAKNESSES: Isn't an elite athlete. Lumbers off the snap, showing little burst, quickness or straight-line speed to generate separation from defenders. Possesses just adequate balance and can be knocked to the ground by smaller defenders who take out one of his legs. Missed much of the 2013 spring practices with a chest fracture, as well as parts of several games last season with a shoulder injury.


                          COMPARES TO: Kellen Davis, Seattle Seahawks - Like the well-built (and well-traveled) Davis, Grimble looks better walking off the bus than he does on tape. He possesses good enough hands and overall athleticism to serve as a short to intermediate threat, especially in the red zone (11 career touchdowns) and has the frame and strength scouts are looking for as a run blocker. He can play the role of a traditional security blanket tight end but a new-age hybrid seam threat, he is not.


                          Player OverviewWhile star wideout Marqise Lee's struggles with durability in 2013 played a well-documented role in the Trojans' inconsistencies early in the season, nagging injuries to Grimble, another talented pass catcher, also had a big impact.

                          Grimble earned honorable mention All-Pac-12 honors in 2012, catching a career-high 29 passes for 316 yards and five scores to earn recognition in a conference boasting some of the elite tight ends in the country. Rather than build upon his breakout campaign, however, Grimble struggled in 2013, catching just 25 passes for 271 yards and watching his touchdowns plummet to just two on the season.


                          The lack of ideal production led Grimble to announce as late as Dec. 10 that "it probably would be best for me to return to school." Instead, he surprised the Trojans and scouts by announcing that he was giving up his final year of eligibility to head to the NFL a year early.


                          Grimble isn't an elite athlete but he does possess the frame as well as the strength and experience in a pro-style offense scouts are looking for. He isn't an elite receiver but has functional hands and is bullish after the catch.

                          http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/p...xavier-grimble
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                          • #14
                            Slow a foot and lack of production last year had him riding the pines during the Draft. There is certainly potential there, potential practice squad guy!

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Redeyejedi View Post
                              He looks like he should be explosive though right? I always liked his tape though. I dont think he is an elite level talent but I didnt see a huge gap between him and C.J. Fiedorowicz. He could easily flameout before camp starts but I gave a draftable grade to Ballard and he looked like an NFL player before he got hurt
                              exactly my point. there were elements of grimbles game that i liked much better than fied and even ASJ. And TE's dont need to be burners they just need to be quick enough to threaten the seam at an intermediate level and grimble certainly can do that. i also doubt he's slower than the other TE's outside of Ebron by enough of a margin to warrant going undrafted.

                              plus you factor in what a mess USC was. I dunno, confusing. but i'll take it. I've read the CBS scouting report. i also read other reports that had him up there with the other TE's 2-5. hes a big man who has some agility and athleticism. MB wasnt some speed threat. i dunno, id think Grimble would have went drafted but there has to be some off field issue or interview issue i dunno...he was a top recruit. he has athleticism and talent and potential and had 11 TD grabs compared to what did Ebron have? 3 last yr? no way im buying Grimble was that much worse than the 2-5 rated TE's to go undrafted.

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