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    At this point in the draft process my guy is Dwayne Allen. To me he seems like a guy who we have a realistic shot at getting, and he makes a lot of sense for the Giants. Did you see what Gronkowski just did tonight?!?! or as a matter of fact what he has done all year?!?!

    We need a legit pass catching TE and Allen is our answer. He is also a solid run blocker. This means he would not only take our passing game to the next level, but he would also help out our running game.

    Look at the Elite offenses this year NE (Gronk) NO (Graham) GB (Finely) Philly (Celek) SD (Gates) DET (Pettigrew) hello great TE's in all of them. Allen would take our offense to that top tier.

    Thoughts?

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    Re: Dwayne Allen, TE Clemson

    I am a fan of his as well. While he hasnt been asked to block much, he has the size and strength to learn.

    Being perfectly honest,I think our offense shines most with 2 Wrs + TE rather than 3 wrs.

    Considering MM is a free agent who may pursue other teams. A good Passcatching TE who, at the very least provides depth at the position would be huge.

    Also, as of right now, we have 1 TE signed for next year and thats Beckum, who isnt really a TE at all. I still expect us to try to resign Ballard, because he fits in here. But wee need more at this position. I hope we look to the draft.
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      [quote user="Spizi"]At this point in the draft process my guy is Dwayne Allen. To me he seems like a guy who we have a realistic shot at getting, and he makes a lot of sense for the Giants. Did you see what Gronkowski just did tonight?!?! or as a matter of fact what he has done all year?!?!

      We need a legit pass catching TE and Allen is our answer. He is also a solid run blocker. This means he would not only take our passing game to the next level, but he would also help out our running game.

      Look at the Elite offenses this year NE (Gronk) NO (Graham) GB (Finely) Philly (Celek) SD (Gates) DET (Pettigrew) hello great TE's in all of them. Allen would take our offense to that top tier.

      Thoughts?[/quote] I've been saying this for yrs when most were saying we don't use TE that much around here and yada yada yada.. The bottom line is u use whos good and open and when u have players like Jimmy Graham and Rob Gronkowski and Antonio Gates U use them!!!lol Shockey had quite impressive numbers in his prime and even ballard gets used enough for a guy with his talent level(which isn't sensational thats for sure!) I craved getting Tony Gonzalez when we could of gotten him and i wanted Kyle Rudolph last yr and now i really would like to get Dwayne Allen or Coby Fleener.. We would have every part of the field loaded with talent and if we re-signed Ballard We'd have a exceptional 2TE's.. Allen is a Antonio Gates clone and Fleener has a nice skill set as well

      Look at the teams in the postseason and how important TE's are to them

      49ers= Vernon Davis(stud TE who just completely dominated the saints yesterday)

      Pats= Gronk and Hernandez( just 2 downright studs! And the pats hardly used TE's that much during brady's reign but again when u got this kinda talent u use em without hindering but only helping your team)

      Saints= J Graham( A super stud for a team who again didn't use TE's like that before he was there but when u have a talent like this U use em for the good of your team)

      Texans= O Daniels( Underrated pass catcher whos a huge part of what the texans do and if he was healthy all the time would be even better then he all ready is)

      Ravens= Ed ****son/D Pitta( 2 up and comers for the Ravens who have been pretty big this yr and are developing nicely for the Ravens)

      Bengals= J Gresham( gotten better one yr to the next and is poised to have real big season in yr 3 with Andy Dalton having been with him a full season now Ultra Talented!)

      Lions= B Pettigrew( Another player whos only getting better and better and is a huge part of there offense and ridiculously talented TE)

      Packers= Finley( super talented pass catcher who is a key cog in that potent offense and is probably gonna get franchised after the season which shows his importance in the offense)


      That says it all right there! Outside of the Broncos and Giants(who have ballard whos been pretty big for us) every team has bigtime talent at the TE spot and i don't find that as coincidence at all!

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        I see your argument about Dwayne Allen...However, not in the first round. If he makes it to us in round 2, then by all means. Lets get him!!




        Davis, Gresham and Pettigrew are the only ones on your list that were first round picks...




        Tyler Eifert is a guy that I really like... If he decides to declare for the draft, he would be a fantastic pick up in round 2-3.




        A sleeper TE in this draft is Nick Provo out of Syracuse. Pass catching TE that can really stretch the field.




        "Hey, let me buy you a pack of gum. I'll show you how to chew it."

        2014 Draft:
        Round 1 - Eric Ebron, TE - North Carolina
        Round 2 - David Yankey, OG - Stanford
        Round 3 - Allen Robinson, WR - Penn State
        Round 4 - Anthony Johnson, DT - LSU
        Round 5 - Rashaad Reynolds, CB - Oregon State
        Round 6 - Andrew Jackson, ILB - W. Kentucky
        Round 7 - ** Traded for Jon Beason **

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          Also....




          Ladarius Green... Louisiana Lafayette.....ultra talented pass catching TE. From what I read, he really needs to improve his blocking.

          "Hey, let me buy you a pack of gum. I'll show you how to chew it."

          2014 Draft:
          Round 1 - Eric Ebron, TE - North Carolina
          Round 2 - David Yankey, OG - Stanford
          Round 3 - Allen Robinson, WR - Penn State
          Round 4 - Anthony Johnson, DT - LSU
          Round 5 - Rashaad Reynolds, CB - Oregon State
          Round 6 - Andrew Jackson, ILB - W. Kentucky
          Round 7 - ** Traded for Jon Beason **

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            [quote user="Shockeyitus"]

            I see your argument about Dwayne Allen...However, not in the first round. If he makes it to us in round 2, then by all means. Lets get him!!




            Davis, Gresham and Pettigrew are the only ones on your list that were first round picks...




            Tyler Eifert is a guy that I really like... If he decides to declare for the draft, he would be a fantastic pick up in round 2-3.




            A sleeper TE in this draft is Nick Provo out of Syracuse. Pass catching TE that can really stretch the field.




            [/quote] Those were the only 3 first rounders but u gotta remember those are 3 all around TE's and Dwayne Allen falls in that "all around" category.. Not to mention u are seeing these first rounders more and more recently as its plain as day how important they are and can be if u get a good one... Gronkowski would of been a sure fire 1st rounder if not for the back injury as well(shoot he all most got into rd 1 anyways!!lol)

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            • #7
              Re: Dwayne Allen, TE Clemson

              Why not take him in the 1st? He has a legit shot at being one of those elite TE's. I would definitely give up a 1st round pick for Gronkowski wouldn't you?

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                [quote user="Spizi"]Why not take him in the 1st? He has a legit shot at being one of those elite TE's. I would definitely give up a 1st round pick for Gronkowski wouldn't you?[/quote]




                I know mock drafts are just someshmucks opinion on what teams should draft. But, lets use them as a gage of how the NFL draft could play out. If you look at the projected late first round picks, would you be willing to pass on these guys?




                Vontaz Burfict, ILB




                Donta Hightower, ILB




                Lamar Miller, RB




                Michael Floyd, WR




                Whitney Mercilus, DE




                Giants should also be considered for 1 or 2 comp picks... Steve Smith, Barry Coefield, Kevin Boss

                "Hey, let me buy you a pack of gum. I'll show you how to chew it."

                2014 Draft:
                Round 1 - Eric Ebron, TE - North Carolina
                Round 2 - David Yankey, OG - Stanford
                Round 3 - Allen Robinson, WR - Penn State
                Round 4 - Anthony Johnson, DT - LSU
                Round 5 - Rashaad Reynolds, CB - Oregon State
                Round 6 - Andrew Jackson, ILB - W. Kentucky
                Round 7 - ** Traded for Jon Beason **

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                  [quote user="Shockeyitus"]

                  [quote user="Spizi"]Why not take him in the 1st? He has a legit shot at being one of those elite TE's. I would definitely give up a 1st round pick for Gronkowski wouldn't you?[/quote]




                  I know mock drafts are just someshmucks opinion on what teams should draft. But, lets use them as a gage of how the NFL draft could play out. If you look at the projected late first round picks, would you be willing to pass on these guys?




                  Vontaz Burfict, ILB




                  Donta Hightower, ILB




                  Lamar Miller, RB




                  Michael Floyd, WR




                  Whitney Mercilus, DE




                  Giants should also be considered for 1 or 2 comp picks... Steve Smith, Barry Coefield, Kevin Boss

                  [/quote] Floyd is gonna be way gone and thats taking 90pct of mock drafts into consideration as all most everyone has him gonna in the 13-20range and Hightower dosen't fit our Defense at all as hes 260lb mlb built for a 3/4 team and Burfict has stunk this whole past season and i just don't think hes the answer and he could be gone anyways or drop into round 2 and i think Whitney is gonna fly up draft boards because hes a Flat out stud and there is a ton of depth at RB(david wilson/ chris polk/ bernard pierce/ lamichael james/ vick ballard/ ronnie hillman/ robert turbin etc) that u could wait on RB if u wanted as theres way more solid RB's then TE's in this draft.. If Whitney is on board I'd certainly take em and u could make a case for miller but outside of that none of those other guys really do it for me or seem to fit our team

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                    Re: Dwayne Allen, TE Clemson

                    in what round?

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                      Re: Dwayne Allen, TE Clemson

                      [quote user="nycsportzfan"][quote user="Shockeyitus"]

                      [quote user="Spizi"]Why not take him in the 1st? He has a legit shot at being one of those elite TE's. I would definitely give up a 1st round pick for Gronkowski wouldn't you?[/quote]




                      I know mock drafts are just some*shmucks opinion on what teams should draft. But, lets use them as a gage of how the NFL draft could play out. If you look at the projected late first round picks, would you be willing to pass on these guys?




                      Vontaz Burfict, ILB




                      Donta Hightower, ILB




                      Lamar Miller, RB




                      Michael Floyd, WR




                      Whitney Mercilus, DE




                      Giants should also be considered for 1 or 2 comp picks... Steve Smith, Barry Coefield, Kevin Boss

                      [/quote] Floyd is gonna be way gone and thats taking 90pct of mock drafts into consideration as all most everyone has him gonna in the 13-20range**** and Hightower dosen't fit our Defense at all as hes 260lb mlb** built for a 3/4 team*** and Burfict has stunk this whole past season and i just don't think hes the answer and he could be gone anyways or drop into round 2*** and i think Whitney is gonna fly up draft boards because hes a Flat out stud*** and there is a ton of depth at RB(david wilson/ chris polk/ bernard pierce/ lamichael james/ vick ballard/ ronnie hillman/ robert turbin etc) that u could wait on RB* if u wanted**** as theres way more solid* RB's then TE's in this draft..* If Whitney is on board** I'd certainly take em*** and u could make a case for miller** but outside of that* none of those other guys really do it for me or seem to fit our team[/quote]


                      My thoughts exactly. That's why I think Allen is the most logical choice.

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                        Re: Dwayne Allen, TE Clemson

                        [quote user="Spizi"]Why not take him in the 1st? He has a legit shot at being one of those elite TE's. I would definitely give up a 1st round pick for Gronkowski wouldn't you?[/quote] The way TE's are performing u kinda gotta think of em outside of the old way of looking at em which was u dont take TE's in RD 1 unless there just 2special to pass on.. There simply evolving into a ridiculously important positon and with another yr or 2 waiting to realize this u could end up having a tougher time getting a Dwayne Allen type talent at pick 26of rd 1 because teams will just be way to hip to the advantage of having a Jimmy Graham/ Jermichael Finley / Rob Gronkowski/ Jermaine Gresham/ Brandon Pettigrew/ Antonio Gates etc... Giants might be smart to get Allen while its still possible to get game changing TE's in the very late stages of RD 1

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                          [quote user="nycsportzfan"][quote user="Spizi"]Why not take him in the 1st? He has a legit shot at being one of those elite TE's. I would definitely give up a 1st round pick for Gronkowski wouldn't you?[/quote] The way TE's are performing u kinda gotta think of em outside of the old way of looking at em which was u dont take TE's in RD 1 unless there just 2special to pass on.. There simply evolving into a ridiculously important positon and with another yr or 2 waiting to realize this u could end up having a tougher time getting a Dwayne Allen type talent at pick 26of rd 1 because teams will just be way to hip to the advantage of having a Jimmy Graham/ Jermichael Finley / Rob Gronkowski/ Jermaine Gresham/ Brandon Pettigrew/ Antonio Gates etc... Giants might be smart to get Allen while its still possible to get game changing TE's in the very late stages of RD 1
                          [/quote]




                          I understand your logic and I appreciate your ideas that the TE position was changing. With that said, I feel that depending on how the draft falls, there will be other options that Reese will look at in Round 1. If certain players are no longer on the board, the I feel Allen would be a definate option. I still like Eifert or Fleener in round 2.

                          "Hey, let me buy you a pack of gum. I'll show you how to chew it."

                          2014 Draft:
                          Round 1 - Eric Ebron, TE - North Carolina
                          Round 2 - David Yankey, OG - Stanford
                          Round 3 - Allen Robinson, WR - Penn State
                          Round 4 - Anthony Johnson, DT - LSU
                          Round 5 - Rashaad Reynolds, CB - Oregon State
                          Round 6 - Andrew Jackson, ILB - W. Kentucky
                          Round 7 - ** Traded for Jon Beason **

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                            Re: Dwayne Allen, TE Clemson

                            [quote user="Shockeyitus"]

                            [quote user="nycsportzfan"][quote user="Spizi"]Why not take him in the 1st? He has a legit shot at being one of those elite TE's. I would definitely give up a 1st round pick for Gronkowski wouldn't you?[/quote]*** The way TE's are performing**** u kinda gotta think of em outside of the old way of looking at em* which was u dont take TE's in RD 1 unless there just 2special to pass on..** There simply evolving into a ridiculously important positon and with another yr or 2* waiting to realize this*** u could end up having a tougher time getting a Dwayne Allen type talent at pick 26of rd 1* because teams will just be way to hip to the advantage of having a Jimmy Graham/ Jermichael Finley / Rob Gronkowski/ Jermaine Gresham/ Brandon Pettigrew/ Antonio Gates etc...** Giants might be smart to get Allen while its still possible to get game changing TE's in the very late stages of RD 1
                            [/quote]




                            I understand your logic and I appreciate your ideas that the TE position was changing. With that said, I feel that depending on how the draft falls, there will be other options that Reese will look at in Round 1. If certain players are no longer on the board, the I feel Allen would be a definate option. I still like Eifert or Fleener in round 2.

                            [/quote]

                            Who do you see though?? Right now we have the 29th pick, possibly the 32nd.

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                              [quote user="Spizi"][quote user="Shockeyitus"]

                              [quote user="nycsportzfan"][quote user="Spizi"]Why not take him in the 1st? He has a legit shot at being one of those elite TE's. I would definitely give up a 1st round pick for Gronkowski wouldn't you?[/quote] The way TE's are performing u kinda gotta think of em outside of the old way of looking at em which was u dont take TE's in RD 1 unless there just 2special to pass on.. There simply evolving into a ridiculously important positon and with another yr or 2 waiting to realize this u could end up having a tougher time getting a Dwayne Allen type talent at pick 26of rd 1 because teams will just be way to hip to the advantage of having a Jimmy Graham/ Jermichael Finley / Rob Gronkowski/ Jermaine Gresham/ Brandon Pettigrew/ Antonio Gates etc... Giants might be smart to get Allen while its still possible to get game changing TE's in the very late stages of RD 1
                              [/quote]




                              I understand your logic and I appreciate your ideas that the TE position was changing. With that said, I feel that depending on how the draft falls, there will be other options that Reese will look at in Round 1. If certain players are no longer on the board, the I feel Allen would be a definate option. I still like Eifert or Fleener in round 2.

                              [/quote]

                              Who do you see though?? Right now we have the 29th pick, possibly the 32nd.[/quote] I like Eiftert and Fleener as well but Allen is the best TE in this draft as far as complete TE all though those other 2 have ability to be the better pick down the line as u can always be wrong about prospects.. Is Eifert even declaring? Anyhow i agree if someone else is there and they pick em i'm totally Ok with that (allen's not the only player i like) I would also love Whitney mercilus if hes on board! These would be my TOP 5hopeful's trying to be as realistic as possible..

                              1. Whitney mercilus DE Illinois- I freakin love this kids motor and ability to strip the ball and get to the qb.. I'd be shocked if he didn't fly up draft boards! But as of now going on some mocks i've seen he could possibly be there.. This is Dream Scenario for me!

                              2. Dwayne Allen TE Clemson- explained throughout thread

                              3. Chase minnifield CB Virginia- I think this kids gonna be a stud and i like his ability to play the ball and length.. I think Casey Haywards just as good but it seems as of now Hayward is a reach at this point all though i woulden't be surprised if he does go higher once draft arrives..

                              4. Fletcher Cox DT miss st- This kid can flat out play! A playmaking DT who looks to be a all around DT who does everything well! I'm super high on this kid! I also like Devon Still a ton!

                              5. Janoris Jenkins CB No Ala- This kid put togheter big games against some super talented wr's when with florida and is not the speediest but can flat out stick with a guy and has solid technique and ball skills! Also could be special return guy at NFL level..

                              Hon mention= Peter Konz C Wisc and Devon Still DT Penn St

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