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  • Re: 2011 NFL DRAFT "Sleeper" Thread(Giant MB Traditon!!)

    My final Sleeper list(top 5per positon just offensive). Top sleeper is 1st in each category, outside of that, no paticular order...

    QB
    Colin Kapernick nevada
    - i raved about him well before his stock shot up, and he stays on my sleeper list because of that....

    Pat Devlin Delaware
    Nathan Enderle Idaho
    Greg Mcelroy Bama
    TJ Yates u.n.
    c- i really like him as a late rd qb

    Hon mention- Scott Tolzien Wisconsin

    WR
    Greg Salas Hawaii
    austin pettis boise st
    - my top sleeper, liken him to be this yrs, Mike Williams
    Armon Binns cincy- another wr i really like, and he was a stud in the big east. Late rd steal
    dane sazenbacher ohio st
    jeff maehl oregon
    - really like him, and the heady player, will make it, if given a legit shot...hes probably not Austin Collie, but i could definetly see Blair White in em...

    Hon mention- denarius moore tennesee

    TE
    Lee Smith Marshall
    - blocking TE, with pretty solid hands, could find a niche on a team like the giants
    virgil green nevada- this guy can catch the football.. Raw, but the upside is there...
    cameron graham l'ville- didn't shine in combine, but trust me, this guys offense could find him a late rd pick, or UDF, that gets a chance at some point, and he makes good on it.
    julius thomas port st.- raw talent is there, could become steal, with seasoning and coaching..
    jordan cameron u.s.c- the majority of my TE sleepers are Raw upside guys, because its such a weak class, and its no diffrent here with jordan cameron...

    Hon Mention- Shuyler Oordt no.iowa

    RB
    Bilal Powell l'ville
    - one of my fave sleepers for months, i really like this guy...
    Dion Lewis Pittsburgh
    Brandon Saine Oh S
    t- watch out for this guy, hes got the size, speed, and hands to really help..
    jaquizz rodgers org st.- power, from the little man, and can get to the edge, plus catch pass's.
    derek locke kentucky

    Hon Mention- evan royster penn st- productive, inside the tackle runner, who blocks well, and can help outta the backfield, with any luck, is one of those guys who could be a betterpro...

    OT
    Derek Newton Ark St
    - another one of my sleepers for months, alot of raw upside here....
    Derek Hall Stanford
    Darius Morris temple
    joseph barksdale l.s.u-
    a monster sized man, who as early as last yr, was talked about as 1st rder
    Kyle Hix texas- just as a late RD RT, but if thats the case, has enough going to warren intrest

    Hon Mention- Lee Ziemba Auburn


    G
    Demarcus Love Ark
    - not huge sleeper, but i think hes gonna be a solid, outside first 3rd player
    Steve Shilling Michigan
    Julian Vandervelde Iowa
    Justin Boren Ohio st.
    Zach Hurd UCONN

    Hon Mention-Rey Dominguez Ark

    C
    Brandon Fusco Slippery Rock
    - i like this kid, alot.. Can move, and has versatility....
    alex linenkohl org st.
    ryan batholmew syracuse
    tim barnes mizzo
    kevin kowalski toledo

    Hon Mention- Colin Baxter- if he could of stayed healthy, he'd possibly be a much higher talked about center..

    What write ups i did put in the offensive sleepers are very small, and i didnt get to in depth, because i talked about most these guys all ready, and the page is all ready long enough, and i'm just not in the mood...
    I'll do my Defensive 5per positon sleepers tommorow.....

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    • Re: 2011 NFL DRAFT "Sleeper" Thread(Giant MB Traditon!!)



      [quote user="nycsportzfan"]My final Sleeper list(top 5per positon just offensive). Top sleeper is 1st in each category, outside of that, no paticular order...

      QB
      Colin Kapernick nevada
      - i raved about him well before his stock shot up, and he stays on my sleeper list because of that....

      Pat Devlin Delaware
      Nathan Enderle Idaho
      Greg Mcelroy Bama
      TJ Yates u.n.
      c- i really like him as a late rd qb

      Hon mention- Scott Tolzien Wisconsin

      WR
      Greg Salas Hawaii
      austin pettis boise st
      - my top sleeper, liken him to be this yrs, Mike Williams
      Armon Binns cincy- another wr i really like, and he was a stud in the big east. Late rd steal
      dane sazenbacher ohio st
      jeff maehl oregon
      - really like him, and the heady player, will make it, if given a legit shot...hes probably not Austin Collie, but i could definetly see Blair White in em...

      Hon mention- denarius moore tennesee

      TE
      Lee Smith Marshall
      - blocking TE, with pretty solid hands, could find a niche on a team like the giants
      virgil green nevada- this guy can catch the football.. Raw, but the upside is there...
      cameron graham l'ville- didn't shine in combine, but trust me, this guys offense could find him a late rd pick, or UDF, that gets a chance at some point, and he makes good on it.
      julius thomas port st.- raw talent is there, could become steal, with seasoning and coaching..
      jordan cameron u.s.c- the majority of my TE sleepers are Raw upside guys, because its such a weak class, and its no diffrent here with jordan cameron...

      Hon Mention- Shuyler Oordt no.iowa

      RB
      Bilal Powell l'ville
      - one of my fave sleepers for months, i really like this guy...
      Dion Lewis Pittsburgh
      Brandon Saine Oh S
      t- watch out for this guy, hes got the size, speed, and hands to really help..
      jaquizz rodgers org st.- power, from the little man, and can get to the edge, plus catch pass's.
      derek locke kentucky

      Hon Mention- evan royster penn st- productive, inside the tackle runner, who blocks well, and can help outta the backfield, with any luck, is one of those guys who could be a betterpro...

      OT
      Derek Newton Ark St
      - another one of my sleepers for months, alot of raw upside here....
      Derek Hall Stanford
      Darius Morris temple
      joseph barksdale l.s.u-
      a monster sized man, who as early as last yr, was talked about as 1st rder
      Kyle Hix texas- just as a late RD RT, but if thats the case, has enough going to warren intrest

      Hon Mention- Lee Ziemba Auburn


      G
      Demarcus Love Ark
      - not huge sleeper, but i think hes gonna be a solid, outside first 3rd player
      Steve Shilling Michigan
      Julian Vandervelde Iowa
      Justin Boren Ohio st.
      Zach Hurd UCONN

      Hon Mention-Rey Dominguez Ark

      C
      Brandon Fusco Slippery Rock
      - i like this kid, alot.. Can move, and has versatility....
      alex linenkohl org st.
      ryan batholmew syracuse
      tim barnes mizzo
      kevin kowalski toledo

      Hon Mention- Colin Baxter- if he could of stayed healthy, he'd possibly be a much higher talked about center..

      What write ups i did put in the offensive sleepers are very small, and i didnt get to in depth, because i talked about most these guys all ready, and the page is all ready long enough, and i'm just not in the mood...
      I'll do my Defensive 5per positon sleepers tommorow.....
      [/quote]




      Yeah theres still almost 2 more weeks U will put up another one. I like the late roundCenters in this draft . . If the Giants wait I think they can get afuture starter late . RB has good value later as well. The Giants should be able to grab a 3rd down back later as well.

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      • Re: 2011 NFL DRAFT "Sleeper" Thread(Giant MB Traditon!!)

        [quote user="nycsportzfan"]My final Sleeper list(top 5per positon just offensive). Top sleeper is 1st in each category, outside of that, no paticular order...

        QB
        Colin Kapernick nevada
        - i raved about him well before his stock shot up, and he stays on my sleeper list because of that....

        Pat Devlin Delaware
        Nathan Enderle Idaho
        Greg Mcelroy Bama
        TJ Yates u.n.
        c- i really like him as a late rd qb

        Hon mention- Scott Tolzien Wisconsin

        WR
        Greg Salas Hawaii
        austin pettis boise st
        - my top sleeper, liken him to be this yrs, Mike Williams
        Armon Binns cincy- another wr i really like, and he was a stud in the big east. Late rd steal
        dane sazenbacher ohio st
        jeff maehl oregon
        - really like him, and the heady player, will make it, if given a legit shot...hes probably not Austin Collie, but i could definetly see Blair White in em...

        Hon mention- denarius moore tennesee

        TE
        Lee Smith Marshall
        - blocking TE, with pretty solid hands, could find a niche on a team like the giants
        virgil green nevada- this guy can catch the football.. Raw, but the upside is there...
        cameron graham l'ville- didn't shine in combine, but trust me, this guys offense could find him a late rd pick, or UDF, that gets a chance at some point, and he makes good on it.
        julius thomas port st.- raw talent is there, could become steal, with seasoning and coaching..
        jordan cameron u.s.c- the majority of my TE sleepers are Raw upside guys, because its such a weak class, and its no diffrent here with jordan cameron...

        Hon Mention- Shuyler Oordt no.iowa

        RB
        Bilal Powell l'ville
        - one of my fave sleepers for months, i really like this guy...
        Dion Lewis Pittsburgh
        Brandon Saine Oh S
        t- watch out for this guy, hes got the size, speed, and hands to really help..
        jaquizz rodgers org st.- power, from the little man, and can get to the edge, plus catch pass's.
        derek locke kentucky

        Hon Mention- evan royster penn st- productive, inside the tackle runner, who blocks well, and can help outta the backfield, with any luck, is one of those guys who could be a betterpro...

        OT
        Derek Newton Ark St
        - another one of my sleepers for months, alot of raw upside here....
        Derek Hall Stanford
        Darius Morris temple
        joseph barksdale l.s.u-
        a monster sized man, who as early as last yr, was talked about as 1st rder
        Kyle Hix texas- just as a late RD RT, but if thats the case, has enough going to warren intrest

        Hon Mention- Lee Ziemba Auburn


        G
        Demarcus Love Ark
        - not huge sleeper, but i think hes gonna be a solid, outside first 3rd player
        Steve Shilling Michigan
        Julian Vandervelde Iowa
        Justin Boren Ohio st.
        Zach Hurd UCONN

        Hon Mention-Rey Dominguez Ark

        C
        Brandon Fusco Slippery Rock
        - i like this kid, alot.. Can move, and has versatility....
        alex linenkohl org st.
        ryan batholmew syracuse
        tim barnes mizzo
        kevin kowalski toledo

        Hon Mention- Colin Baxter- if he could of stayed healthy, he'd possibly be a much higher talked about center..

        What write ups i did put in the offensive sleepers are very small, and i didnt get to in depth, because i talked about most these guys all ready, and the page is all ready long enough, and i'm just not in the mood...
        I'll do my Defensive 5per positon sleepers tommorow.....
        [/quote]damn i left a lot of guys of i like some of these guys i just dont see as sleepers like colin. unless your trying to pull an alualu like i did last season lol. He wont make it outta round 2 and could possibly see a team trading up to late 1 for him. at least thats how much I like him.

        barnes didnt lift at the combine that i saw and cant find his pro day workout stats but i like him as a late rounder. Like hix but 24 reps at the bine is concerning, i like my linemen strong like bull ! If he did better at pro day ill list him but cant find info. like fusco and forgot will rackley i think

        didnt put pettis cause i just think he is too good to go 4-6th like you said he is projected. If he does go after 3rd he will be another mike w.

        i figured powell would be rated higher than he is so i left him off. Agree though if he goes around where he is rated, big time sleeper. I think lewis and rodgers are rated to high be considered sleepers, just outside of top 10 at their position but i like both.

        love all your te's but most are rated top 10 in their position. i kinda try to stay away from the top 10 players per position depending on how many are listed (like C, not many of em). even though some, if not most, will be taken 3rd round or lower i just think they ar too good to be listed as sleepers. LOVE virgil and julious.

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        • Re: 2011 NFL DRAFT "Sleeper" Thread(Giant MB Traditon!!)

          [quote user="thegreatone"][quote user="nycsportzfan"]My final Sleeper list(top 5per positon just offensive). Top sleeper is 1st in each category, outside of that, no paticular order...

          QB
          Colin Kapernick nevada
          - i raved about him well before his stock shot up, and he stays on my sleeper list because of that....

          Pat Devlin Delaware
          Nathan Enderle Idaho
          Greg Mcelroy Bama
          TJ Yates u.n.
          c- i really like him as a late rd qb

          Hon mention- Scott Tolzien Wisconsin

          WR
          Greg Salas Hawaii
          austin pettis boise st
          - my top sleeper, liken him to be this yrs, Mike Williams
          Armon Binns cincy- another wr i really like, and he was a stud in the big east. Late rd steal
          dane sazenbacher ohio st
          jeff maehl oregon
          - really like him, and the heady player, will make it, if given a legit shot...hes probably not Austin Collie, but i could definetly see Blair White in em...

          Hon mention- denarius moore tennesee

          TE
          Lee Smith Marshall
          - blocking TE, with pretty solid hands, could find a niche on a team like the giants
          virgil green nevada- this guy can catch the football.. Raw, but the upside is there...
          cameron graham l'ville- didn't shine in combine, but trust me, this guys offense could find him a late rd pick, or UDF, that gets a chance at some point, and he makes good on it.
          julius thomas port st.- raw talent is there, could become steal, with seasoning and coaching..
          jordan cameron u.s.c- the majority of my TE sleepers are Raw upside guys, because its such a weak class, and its no diffrent here with jordan cameron...

          Hon Mention- Shuyler Oordt no.iowa

          RB
          Bilal Powell l'ville
          - one of my fave sleepers for months, i really like this guy...
          Dion Lewis Pittsburgh
          Brandon Saine Oh S
          t- watch out for this guy, hes got the size, speed, and hands to really help..
          jaquizz rodgers org st.- power, from the little man, and can get to the edge, plus catch pass's.
          derek locke kentucky

          Hon Mention- evan royster penn st- productive, inside the tackle runner, who blocks well, and can help outta the backfield, with any luck, is one of those guys who could be a betterpro...

          OT
          Derek Newton Ark St
          - another one of my sleepers for months, alot of raw upside here....
          Derek Hall Stanford
          Darius Morris temple
          joseph barksdale l.s.u-
          a monster sized man, who as early as last yr, was talked about as 1st rder
          Kyle Hix texas- just as a late RD RT, but if thats the case, has enough going to warren intrest

          Hon Mention- Lee Ziemba Auburn


          G
          Demarcus Love Ark
          - not huge sleeper, but i think hes gonna be a solid, outside first 3rd player
          Steve Shilling Michigan
          Julian Vandervelde Iowa
          Justin Boren Ohio st.
          Zach Hurd UCONN

          Hon Mention-Rey Dominguez Ark

          C
          Brandon Fusco Slippery Rock
          - i like this kid, alot.. Can move, and has versatility....
          alex linenkohl org st.
          ryan batholmew syracuse
          tim barnes mizzo
          kevin kowalski toledo

          Hon Mention- Colin Baxter- if he could of stayed healthy, he'd possibly be a much higher talked about center..

          What write ups i did put in the offensive sleepers are very small, and i didnt get to in depth, because i talked about most these guys all ready, and the page is all ready long enough, and i'm just not in the mood...
          I'll do my Defensive 5per positon sleepers tommorow.....
          [/quote]damn i left a lot of guys of i like some of these guys i just dont see as sleepers like colin. unless your trying to pull an alualu like i did last season lol. He wont make it outta round 2 and could possibly see a team trading up to late 1 for him. at least thats how much I like him.

          barnes didnt lift at the combine that i saw and cant find his pro day workout stats but i like him as a late rounder. Like hix but 24 reps at the bine is concerning, i like my linemen strong like bull ! If he did better at pro day ill list him but cant find info. like fusco and forgot will rackley i think

          didnt put pettis cause i just think he is too good to go 4-6th like you said he is projected. If he does go after 3rd he will be another mike w.

          i figured powell would be rated higher than he is so i left him off. Agree though if he goes around where he is rated, big time sleeper. I think lewis and rodgers are rated to high be considered sleepers, just outside of top 10 at their position but i like both.

          love all your te's but most are rated top 10 in their position. i kinda try to stay away from the top 10 players per position depending on how many are listed (like C, not many of em). even though some, if not most, will be taken 3rd round or lower i just think they ar too good to be listed as sleepers. LOVE virgil and julious.
          [/quote] Ya, i put a couple guys down, that i had as sleepers before they flew up draft boards.. This happened to me last yr with Vlad Ducasse , and i got robbed outta one of my sleepers...lol So, i kept Colin and a couple others on there, regardless of the fact they moved up some rounds over the past month or 2, there still Sleepers as far as not being the top of the crop, just not 4th-7th rd guys.. I did try to only do that a few times, with the guys like i said, that i all ready called SLEEPERS well before they flew up draft boards...

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          • Re: 2011 NFL DRAFT "Sleeper" Thread(Giant MB Traditon!!)

            [quote user="thegreatone"][quote user="nycsportzfan"]My final Sleeper list(top 5per positon just offensive). Top sleeper is 1st in each category, outside of that, no paticular order...

            QB
            Colin Kapernick nevada
            - i raved about him well before his stock shot up, and he stays on my sleeper list because of that....

            Pat Devlin Delaware
            Nathan Enderle Idaho
            Greg Mcelroy Bama
            TJ Yates u.n.
            c- i really like him as a late rd qb

            Hon mention- Scott Tolzien Wisconsin

            WR
            Greg Salas Hawaii
            austin pettis boise st
            - my top sleeper, liken him to be this yrs, Mike Williams
            Armon Binns cincy- another wr i really like, and he was a stud in the big east. Late rd steal
            dane sazenbacher ohio st
            jeff maehl oregon
            - really like him, and the heady player, will make it, if given a legit shot...hes probably not Austin Collie, but i could definetly see Blair White in em...

            Hon mention- denarius moore tennesee

            TE
            Lee Smith Marshall
            - blocking TE, with pretty solid hands, could find a niche on a team like the giants
            virgil green nevada- this guy can catch the football.. Raw, but the upside is there...
            cameron graham l'ville- didn't shine in combine, but trust me, this guys offense could find him a late rd pick, or UDF, that gets a chance at some point, and he makes good on it.
            julius thomas port st.- raw talent is there, could become steal, with seasoning and coaching..
            jordan cameron u.s.c- the majority of my TE sleepers are Raw upside guys, because its such a weak class, and its no diffrent here with jordan cameron...

            Hon Mention- Shuyler Oordt no.iowa

            RB
            Bilal Powell l'ville
            - one of my fave sleepers for months, i really like this guy...
            Dion Lewis Pittsburgh
            Brandon Saine Oh S
            t- watch out for this guy, hes got the size, speed, and hands to really help..
            jaquizz rodgers org st.- power, from the little man, and can get to the edge, plus catch pass's.
            derek locke kentucky

            Hon Mention- evan royster penn st- productive, inside the tackle runner, who blocks well, and can help outta the backfield, with any luck, is one of those guys who could be a betterpro...

            OT
            Derek Newton Ark St
            - another one of my sleepers for months, alot of raw upside here....
            Derek Hall Stanford
            Darius Morris temple
            joseph barksdale l.s.u-
            a monster sized man, who as early as last yr, was talked about as 1st rder
            Kyle Hix texas- just as a late RD RT, but if thats the case, has enough going to warren intrest

            Hon Mention- Lee Ziemba Auburn


            G
            Demarcus Love Ark
            - not huge sleeper, but i think hes gonna be a solid, outside first 3rd player
            Steve Shilling Michigan
            Julian Vandervelde Iowa
            Justin Boren Ohio st.
            Zach Hurd UCONN

            Hon Mention-Rey Dominguez Ark

            C
            Brandon Fusco Slippery Rock
            - i like this kid, alot.. Can move, and has versatility....
            alex linenkohl org st.
            ryan batholmew syracuse
            tim barnes mizzo
            kevin kowalski toledo

            Hon Mention- Colin Baxter- if he could of stayed healthy, he'd possibly be a much higher talked about center..

            What write ups i did put in the offensive sleepers are very small, and i didnt get to in depth, because i talked about most these guys all ready, and the page is all ready long enough, and i'm just not in the mood...
            I'll do my Defensive 5per positon sleepers tommorow.....
            [/quote]damn i left a lot of guys of i like some of these guys i just dont see as sleepers like colin. unless your trying to pull an alualu like i did last season lol. He wont make it outta round 2 and could possibly see a team trading up to late 1 for him. at least thats how much I like him.

            barnes didnt lift at the combine that i saw and cant find his pro day workout stats but i like him as a late rounder. Like hix but 24 reps at the bine is concerning, i like my linemen strong like bull ! If he did better at pro day ill list him but cant find info. like fusco and forgot will rackley i think

            didnt put pettis cause i just think he is too good to go 4-6th like you said he is projected. If he does go after 3rd he will be another mike w.

            i figured powell would be rated higher than he is so i left him off. Agree though if he goes around where he is rated, big time sleeper. I think lewis and rodgers are rated to high be considered sleepers, just outside of top 10 at their position but i like both.

            love all your te's but most are rated top 10 in their position. i kinda try to stay away from the top 10 players per position depending on how many are listed (like C, not many of em). even though some, if not most, will be taken 3rd round or lower i just think they ar too good to be listed as sleepers. LOVE virgil and julious.
            [/quote] Also, as far as the TE's, none of em are gonna be going untill the 4th-7th rd, outside of Virigl Green and maybe Jordan Cameron, but thre still 2 very raw TE's, that are sleepers at there positon, because everything of theres, is based off "upside"...
            As for Kyle Hix, i could care less what he benched one day at the combine.. I dont crusify guys because of a event or 2 at the combine... I liked how he played , and if anything, he could've moved up and been outta sleeper status, if he did to well at the combine.. I just like Hix as more of a Depth, late RD RT prospect, that can fill in, in a pinch, type player....

            Powell and Lewis are certainly sleepers.. Are sleepers are around the 4th-7th rd, and u can mix and match, u don't have to have the bottom of the barrell type guys, where u have to find 5guys u like at each positon from the 6th rd on, thats kinda silly.. Again, Bilal was a sleeper of mine, well before his stock started to soar, just like his teammate Johnny Patrick was, all though, ill leave Johnny off my Sleeper list, because hes so well rounded and isn't as raw, as say Colin Kapernick... I dissagree on what u call a sleeper, but its all good...

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            • Re: 2011 NFL DRAFT "Sleeper" Thread(Giant MB Traditon!!)

              [quote user="Redeyejedi"]

              [quote user="nycsportzfan"]My final Sleeper list(top 5per positon just offensive). Top sleeper is 1st in each category, outside of that, no paticular order...

              QB
              Colin Kapernick nevada
              - i raved about him well before his stock shot up, and he stays on my sleeper list because of that....

              Pat Devlin Delaware
              Nathan Enderle Idaho
              Greg Mcelroy Bama
              TJ Yates u.n.
              c- i really like him as a late rd qb

              Hon mention- Scott Tolzien Wisconsin

              WR
              Greg Salas Hawaii
              austin pettis boise st
              - my top sleeper, liken him to be this yrs, Mike Williams
              Armon Binns cincy- another wr i really like, and he was a stud in the big east. Late rd steal
              dane sazenbacher ohio st
              jeff maehl oregon
              - really like him, and the heady player, will make it, if given a legit shot...hes probably not Austin Collie, but i could definetly see Blair White in em...

              Hon mention- denarius moore tennesee

              TE
              Lee Smith Marshall
              - blocking TE, with pretty solid hands, could find a niche on a team like the giants
              virgil green nevada- this guy can catch the football.. Raw, but the upside is there...
              cameron graham l'ville- didn't shine in combine, but trust me, this guys offense could find him a late rd pick, or UDF, that gets a chance at some point, and he makes good on it.
              julius thomas port st.- raw talent is there, could become steal, with seasoning and coaching..
              jordan cameron u.s.c- the majority of my TE sleepers are Raw upside guys, because its such a weak class, and its no diffrent here with jordan cameron...

              Hon Mention- Shuyler Oordt no.iowa

              RB
              Bilal Powell l'ville
              - one of my fave sleepers for months, i really like this guy...
              Dion Lewis Pittsburgh
              Brandon Saine Oh S
              t- watch out for this guy, hes got the size, speed, and hands to really help..
              jaquizz rodgers org st.- power, from the little man, and can get to the edge, plus catch pass's.
              derek locke kentucky

              Hon Mention- evan royster penn st- productive, inside the tackle runner, who blocks well, and can help outta the backfield, with any luck, is one of those guys who could be a betterpro...

              OT
              Derek Newton Ark St
              - another one of my sleepers for months, alot of raw upside here....
              Derek Hall Stanford
              Darius Morris temple
              joseph barksdale l.s.u-
              a monster sized man, who as early as last yr, was talked about as 1st rder
              Kyle Hix texas- just as a late RD RT, but if thats the case, has enough going to warren intrest

              Hon Mention- Lee Ziemba Auburn


              G
              Demarcus Love Ark
              - not huge sleeper, but i think hes gonna be a solid, outside first 3rd player
              Steve Shilling Michigan
              Julian Vandervelde Iowa
              Justin Boren Ohio st.
              Zach Hurd UCONN

              Hon Mention-Rey Dominguez Ark

              C
              Brandon Fusco Slippery Rock
              - i like this kid, alot.. Can move, and has versatility....
              alex linenkohl org st.
              ryan batholmew syracuse
              tim barnes mizzo
              kevin kowalski toledo

              Hon Mention- Colin Baxter- if he could of stayed healthy, he'd possibly be a much higher talked about center..

              What write ups i did put in the offensive sleepers are very small, and i didnt get to in depth, because i talked about most these guys all ready, and the page is all ready long enough, and i'm just not in the mood...
              I'll do my Defensive 5per positon sleepers tommorow.....
              [/quote]




              Yeah theres still almost 2 more weeks U will put up another one. I like the late roundCenters in this draft . . If the Giants wait I think they can get afuture starter late . RB has good value later as well. The Giants should be able to grab a 3rd down back later as well.

              [/quote] Ya, i like the Late Rd C's as well.. I didn't even put guys like Zane Taylor on there, whos another later rd C/G that could help someone.. It almost makes u wonder if its worth taking one early this yr, as theres so many players that have good solid ability at the C positon that will be around in RD 7...
              Theres a Ton of T/G prospects or G/C prospects this yr, versatile o-lineman, which i'm sure that makes Coughlin and Reese extremely happy.. U know how they like there lineman to be able to play multiple positons, and jeez, starting at Mike POuncey and Stef Wisnewski, and D.love, and J.Carpenter, and Orlando Franklin, and i could litteraly name another 20guys, so many versatile olineman this yr...

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              • Re: 2011 NFL DRAFT "Sleeper" Thread(Giant MB Traditon!!)

                [quote user="nycsportzfan"][quote user="thegreatone"][quote user="nycsportzfan"]My final Sleeper list(top 5per positon just offensive). Top sleeper is 1st in each category, outside of that, no paticular order...

                QB
                Colin Kapernick nevada
                - i raved about him well before his stock shot up, and he stays on my sleeper list because of that....

                Pat Devlin Delaware
                Nathan Enderle Idaho
                Greg Mcelroy Bama
                TJ Yates u.n.
                c- i really like him as a late rd qb

                Hon mention- Scott Tolzien Wisconsin

                WR
                Greg Salas Hawaii
                austin pettis boise st
                - my top sleeper, liken him to be this yrs, Mike Williams
                Armon Binns cincy- another wr i really like, and he was a stud in the big east. Late rd steal
                dane sazenbacher ohio st
                jeff maehl oregon
                - really like him, and the heady player, will make it, if given a legit shot...hes probably not Austin Collie, but i could definetly see Blair White in em...

                Hon mention- denarius moore tennesee

                TE
                Lee Smith Marshall
                - blocking TE, with pretty solid hands, could find a niche on a team like the giants
                virgil green nevada- this guy can catch the football.. Raw, but the upside is there...
                cameron graham l'ville- didn't shine in combine, but trust me, this guys offense could find him a late rd pick, or UDF, that gets a chance at some point, and he makes good on it.
                julius thomas port st.- raw talent is there, could become steal, with seasoning and coaching..
                jordan cameron u.s.c- the majority of my TE sleepers are Raw upside guys, because its such a weak class, and its no diffrent here with jordan cameron...

                Hon Mention- Shuyler Oordt no.iowa

                RB
                Bilal Powell l'ville
                - one of my fave sleepers for months, i really like this guy...
                Dion Lewis Pittsburgh
                Brandon Saine Oh S
                t- watch out for this guy, hes got the size, speed, and hands to really help..
                jaquizz rodgers org st.- power, from the little man, and can get to the edge, plus catch pass's.
                derek locke kentucky

                Hon Mention- evan royster penn st- productive, inside the tackle runner, who blocks well, and can help outta the backfield, with any luck, is one of those guys who could be a betterpro...

                OT
                Derek Newton Ark St
                - another one of my sleepers for months, alot of raw upside here....
                Derek Hall Stanford
                Darius Morris temple
                joseph barksdale l.s.u-
                a monster sized man, who as early as last yr, was talked about as 1st rder
                Kyle Hix texas- just as a late RD RT, but if thats the case, has enough going to warren intrest

                Hon Mention- Lee Ziemba Auburn


                G
                Demarcus Love Ark
                - not huge sleeper, but i think hes gonna be a solid, outside first 3rd player
                Steve Shilling Michigan
                Julian Vandervelde Iowa
                Justin Boren Ohio st.
                Zach Hurd UCONN

                Hon Mention-Rey Dominguez Ark

                C
                Brandon Fusco Slippery Rock
                - i like this kid, alot.. Can move, and has versatility....
                alex linenkohl org st.
                ryan batholmew syracuse
                tim barnes mizzo
                kevin kowalski toledo

                Hon Mention- Colin Baxter- if he could of stayed healthy, he'd possibly be a much higher talked about center..

                What write ups i did put in the offensive sleepers are very small, and i didnt get to in depth, because i talked about most these guys all ready, and the page is all ready long enough, and i'm just not in the mood...
                I'll do my Defensive 5per positon sleepers tommorow.....
                [/quote]damn i left a lot of guys of i like some of these guys i just dont see as sleepers like colin. unless your trying to pull an alualu like i did last season lol. He wont make it outta round 2 and could possibly see a team trading up to late 1 for him. at least thats how much I like him.

                barnes didnt lift at the combine that i saw and cant find his pro day workout stats but i like him as a late rounder. Like hix but 24 reps at the bine is concerning, i like my linemen strong like bull ! If he did better at pro day ill list him but cant find info. like fusco and forgot will rackley i think

                didnt put pettis cause i just think he is too good to go 4-6th like you said he is projected. If he does go after 3rd he will be another mike w.

                i figured powell would be rated higher than he is so i left him off. Agree though if he goes around where he is rated, big time sleeper. I think lewis and rodgers are rated to high be considered sleepers, just outside of top 10 at their position but i like both.

                love all your te's but most are rated top 10 in their position. i kinda try to stay away from the top 10 players per position depending on how many are listed (like C, not many of em). even though some, if not most, will be taken 3rd round or lower i just think they ar too good to be listed as sleepers. LOVE virgil and julious.
                [/quote] Also, as far as the TE's, none of em are gonna be going untill the 4th-7th rd, outside of Virigl Green and maybe Jordan Cameron, but thre still 2 very raw TE's, that are sleepers at there positon, because everything of theres, is based off "upside"...
                As for Kyle Hix, i could care less what he benched one day at the combine.. I dont crusify guys because of a event or 2 at the combine... I liked how he played , and if anything, he could've moved up and been outta sleeper status, if he did to well at the combine.. I just like Hix as more of a Depth, late RD RT prospect, that can fill in, in a pinch, type player....

                Powell and Lewis are certainly sleepers.. Are sleepers are around the 4th-7th rd, and u can mix and match, u don't have to have the bottom of the barrell type guys, where u have to find 5guys u like at each positon from the 6th rd on, thats kinda silly.. Again, Bilal was a sleeper of mine, well before his stock started to soar, just like his teammate Johnny Patrick was, all though, ill leave Johnny off my Sleeper list, because hes so well rounded and isn't as raw, as say Colin Kapernick... I dissagree on what u call a sleeper, but its all good...
                [/quote]well those are guys i really like regardless of where they are drafted but yes i try and spot the hidden gems. very late round to udfa. to each his own

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                • Re: 2011 NFL DRAFT "Sleeper" Thread(Giant MB Traditon!!)

                  [quote user="nycsportzfan"][quote user="thegreatone"][quote user="nycsportzfan"]My final Sleeper list(top 5per positon just offensive). Top sleeper is 1st in each category, outside of that, no paticular order...

                  QB
                  Colin Kapernick nevada
                  - i raved about him well before his stock shot up, and he stays on my sleeper list because of that....

                  Pat Devlin Delaware
                  Nathan Enderle Idaho
                  Greg Mcelroy Bama
                  TJ Yates u.n.
                  c- i really like him as a late rd qb

                  Hon mention- Scott Tolzien Wisconsin

                  WR
                  Greg Salas Hawaii
                  austin pettis boise st
                  - my top sleeper, liken him to be this yrs, Mike Williams
                  Armon Binns cincy- another wr i really like, and he was a stud in the big east. Late rd steal
                  dane sazenbacher ohio st
                  jeff maehl oregon
                  - really like him, and the heady player, will make it, if given a legit shot...hes probably not Austin Collie, but i could definetly see Blair White in em...

                  Hon mention- denarius moore tennesee

                  TE
                  Lee Smith Marshall
                  - blocking TE, with pretty solid hands, could find a niche on a team like the giants
                  virgil green nevada- this guy can catch the football.. Raw, but the upside is there...
                  cameron graham l'ville- didn't shine in combine, but trust me, this guys offense could find him a late rd pick, or UDF, that gets a chance at some point, and he makes good on it.
                  julius thomas port st.- raw talent is there, could become steal, with seasoning and coaching..
                  jordan cameron u.s.c- the majority of my TE sleepers are Raw upside guys, because its such a weak class, and its no diffrent here with jordan cameron...

                  Hon Mention- Shuyler Oordt no.iowa

                  RB
                  Bilal Powell l'ville
                  - one of my fave sleepers for months, i really like this guy...
                  Dion Lewis Pittsburgh
                  Brandon Saine Oh S
                  t- watch out for this guy, hes got the size, speed, and hands to really help..
                  jaquizz rodgers org st.- power, from the little man, and can get to the edge, plus catch pass's.
                  derek locke kentucky

                  Hon Mention- evan royster penn st- productive, inside the tackle runner, who blocks well, and can help outta the backfield, with any luck, is one of those guys who could be a betterpro...

                  OT
                  Derek Newton Ark St
                  - another one of my sleepers for months, alot of raw upside here....
                  Derek Hall Stanford
                  Darius Morris temple
                  joseph barksdale l.s.u-
                  a monster sized man, who as early as last yr, was talked about as 1st rder
                  Kyle Hix texas- just as a late RD RT, but if thats the case, has enough going to warren intrest

                  Hon Mention- Lee Ziemba Auburn


                  G
                  Demarcus Love Ark
                  - not huge sleeper, but i think hes gonna be a solid, outside first 3rd player
                  Steve Shilling Michigan
                  Julian Vandervelde Iowa
                  Justin Boren Ohio st.
                  Zach Hurd UCONN

                  Hon Mention-Rey Dominguez Ark

                  C
                  Brandon Fusco Slippery Rock
                  - i like this kid, alot.. Can move, and has versatility....
                  alex linenkohl org st.
                  ryan batholmew syracuse
                  tim barnes mizzo
                  kevin kowalski toledo

                  Hon Mention- Colin Baxter- if he could of stayed healthy, he'd possibly be a much higher talked about center..

                  What write ups i did put in the offensive sleepers are very small, and i didnt get to in depth, because i talked about most these guys all ready, and the page is all ready long enough, and i'm just not in the mood...
                  I'll do my Defensive 5per positon sleepers tommorow.....
                  [/quote]damn i left a lot of guys of i like some of these guys i just dont see as sleepers like colin. unless your trying to pull an alualu like i did last season lol. He wont make it outta round 2 and could possibly see a team trading up to late 1 for him. at least thats how much I like him.

                  barnes didnt lift at the combine that i saw and cant find his pro day workout stats but i like him as a late rounder. Like hix but 24 reps at the bine is concerning, i like my linemen strong like bull ! If he did better at pro day ill list him but cant find info. like fusco and forgot will rackley i think

                  didnt put pettis cause i just think he is too good to go 4-6th like you said he is projected. If he does go after 3rd he will be another mike w.

                  i figured powell would be rated higher than he is so i left him off. Agree though if he goes around where he is rated, big time sleeper. I think lewis and rodgers are rated to high be considered sleepers, just outside of top 10 at their position but i like both.

                  love all your te's but most are rated top 10 in their position. i kinda try to stay away from the top 10 players per position depending on how many are listed (like C, not many of em). even though some, if not most, will be taken 3rd round or lower i just think they ar too good to be listed as sleepers. LOVE virgil and julious.
                  [/quote] Also, as far as the TE's, none of em are gonna be going untill the 4th-7th rd, outside of Virigl Green and maybe Jordan Cameron, but thre still 2 very raw TE's, that are sleepers at there positon, because everything of theres, is based off "upside"...
                  As for Kyle Hix, i could care less what he benched one day at the combine.. I dont crusify guys because of a event or 2 at the combine... I liked how he played , and if anything, he could've moved up and been outta sleeper status, if he did to well at the combine.. I just like Hix as more of a Depth, late RD RT prospect, that can fill in, in a pinch, type player....

                  Powell and Lewis are certainly sleepers.. Are sleepers are around the 4th-7th rd, and u can mix and match, u don't have to have the bottom of the barrell type guys, where u have to find 5guys u like at each positon from the 6th rd on, thats kinda silly.. Again, Bilal was a sleeper of mine, well before his stock started to soar, just like his teammate Johnny Patrick was, all though, ill leave Johnny off my Sleeper list, because hes so well rounded and isn't as raw, as say Colin Kapernick... I dissagree on what u call a sleeper, but its all good...
                  [/quote]
                  i dont crucify my olineman either i just prefer ones that do better at the bench showing strength and endurance.

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                  • Re: 2011 NFL DRAFT "Sleeper" Thread(Giant MB Traditon!!)

                    [quote user="thegreatone"][quote user="nycsportzfan"][quote user="thegreatone"][quote user="nycsportzfan"]My final Sleeper list(top 5per positon just offensive). Top sleeper is 1st in each category, outside of that, no paticular order...

                    QB
                    Colin Kapernick nevada
                    - i raved about him well before his stock shot up, and he stays on my sleeper list because of that....

                    Pat Devlin Delaware
                    Nathan Enderle Idaho
                    Greg Mcelroy Bama
                    TJ Yates u.n.
                    c- i really like him as a late rd qb

                    Hon mention- Scott Tolzien Wisconsin

                    WR
                    Greg Salas Hawaii
                    austin pettis boise st
                    - my top sleeper, liken him to be this yrs, Mike Williams
                    Armon Binns cincy- another wr i really like, and he was a stud in the big east. Late rd steal
                    dane sazenbacher ohio st
                    jeff maehl oregon
                    - really like him, and the heady player, will make it, if given a legit shot...hes probably not Austin Collie, but i could definetly see Blair White in em...

                    Hon mention- denarius moore tennesee

                    TE
                    Lee Smith Marshall
                    - blocking TE, with pretty solid hands, could find a niche on a team like the giants
                    virgil green nevada- this guy can catch the football.. Raw, but the upside is there...
                    cameron graham l'ville- didn't shine in combine, but trust me, this guys offense could find him a late rd pick, or UDF, that gets a chance at some point, and he makes good on it.
                    julius thomas port st.- raw talent is there, could become steal, with seasoning and coaching..
                    jordan cameron u.s.c- the majority of my TE sleepers are Raw upside guys, because its such a weak class, and its no diffrent here with jordan cameron...

                    Hon Mention- Shuyler Oordt no.iowa

                    RB
                    Bilal Powell l'ville
                    - one of my fave sleepers for months, i really like this guy...
                    Dion Lewis Pittsburgh
                    Brandon Saine Oh S
                    t- watch out for this guy, hes got the size, speed, and hands to really help..
                    jaquizz rodgers org st.- power, from the little man, and can get to the edge, plus catch pass's.
                    derek locke kentucky

                    Hon Mention- evan royster penn st- productive, inside the tackle runner, who blocks well, and can help outta the backfield, with any luck, is one of those guys who could be a betterpro...

                    OT
                    Derek Newton Ark St
                    - another one of my sleepers for months, alot of raw upside here....
                    Derek Hall Stanford
                    Darius Morris temple
                    joseph barksdale l.s.u-
                    a monster sized man, who as early as last yr, was talked about as 1st rder
                    Kyle Hix texas- just as a late RD RT, but if thats the case, has enough going to warren intrest

                    Hon Mention- Lee Ziemba Auburn


                    G
                    Demarcus Love Ark
                    - not huge sleeper, but i think hes gonna be a solid, outside first 3rd player
                    Steve Shilling Michigan
                    Julian Vandervelde Iowa
                    Justin Boren Ohio st.
                    Zach Hurd UCONN

                    Hon Mention-Rey Dominguez Ark

                    C
                    Brandon Fusco Slippery Rock
                    - i like this kid, alot.. Can move, and has versatility....
                    alex linenkohl org st.
                    ryan batholmew syracuse
                    tim barnes mizzo
                    kevin kowalski toledo

                    Hon Mention- Colin Baxter- if he could of stayed healthy, he'd possibly be a much higher talked about center..

                    What write ups i did put in the offensive sleepers are very small, and i didnt get to in depth, because i talked about most these guys all ready, and the page is all ready long enough, and i'm just not in the mood...
                    I'll do my Defensive 5per positon sleepers tommorow.....
                    [/quote]damn i left a lot of guys of i like some of these guys i just dont see as sleepers like colin. unless your trying to pull an alualu like i did last season lol. He wont make it outta round 2 and could possibly see a team trading up to late 1 for him. at least thats how much I like him.

                    barnes didnt lift at the combine that i saw and cant find his pro day workout stats but i like him as a late rounder. Like hix but 24 reps at the bine is concerning, i like my linemen strong like bull ! If he did better at pro day ill list him but cant find info. like fusco and forgot will rackley i think

                    didnt put pettis cause i just think he is too good to go 4-6th like you said he is projected. If he does go after 3rd he will be another mike w.

                    i figured powell would be rated higher than he is so i left him off. Agree though if he goes around where he is rated, big time sleeper. I think lewis and rodgers are rated to high be considered sleepers, just outside of top 10 at their position but i like both.

                    love all your te's but most are rated top 10 in their position. i kinda try to stay away from the top 10 players per position depending on how many are listed (like C, not many of em). even though some, if not most, will be taken 3rd round or lower i just think they ar too good to be listed as sleepers. LOVE virgil and julious.
                    [/quote] Also, as far as the TE's, none of em are gonna be going untill the 4th-7th rd, outside of Virigl Green and maybe Jordan Cameron, but thre still 2 very raw TE's, that are sleepers at there positon, because everything of theres, is based off "upside"...
                    As for Kyle Hix, i could care less what he benched one day at the combine.. I dont crusify guys because of a event or 2 at the combine... I liked how he played , and if anything, he could've moved up and been outta sleeper status, if he did to well at the combine.. I just like Hix as more of a Depth, late RD RT prospect, that can fill in, in a pinch, type player....

                    Powell and Lewis are certainly sleepers.. Are sleepers are around the 4th-7th rd, and u can mix and match, u don't have to have the bottom of the barrell type guys, where u have to find 5guys u like at each positon from the 6th rd on, thats kinda silly.. Again, Bilal was a sleeper of mine, well before his stock started to soar, just like his teammate Johnny Patrick was, all though, ill leave Johnny off my Sleeper list, because hes so well rounded and isn't as raw, as say Colin Kapernick... I dissagree on what u call a sleeper, but its all good...
                    [/quote]
                    i dont crucify my olineman either i just prefer ones that do better at the bench showing strength and endurance.
                    [/quote] So, u don't like John Moffitt, who displayed strength his entire career, because he didn't do well on the bench?

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                    • Re: 2011 NFL DRAFT "Sleeper" Thread(Giant MB Traditon!!)

                      [quote user="thegreatone"][quote user="nycsportzfan"][quote user="thegreatone"][quote user="nycsportzfan"]My final Sleeper list(top 5per positon just offensive). Top sleeper is 1st in each category, outside of that, no paticular order...

                      QB
                      Colin Kapernick nevada
                      - i raved about him well before his stock shot up, and he stays on my sleeper list because of that....

                      Pat Devlin Delaware
                      Nathan Enderle Idaho
                      Greg Mcelroy Bama
                      TJ Yates u.n.
                      c- i really like him as a late rd qb

                      Hon mention- Scott Tolzien Wisconsin

                      WR
                      Greg Salas Hawaii
                      austin pettis boise st
                      - my top sleeper, liken him to be this yrs, Mike Williams
                      Armon Binns cincy- another wr i really like, and he was a stud in the big east. Late rd steal
                      dane sazenbacher ohio st
                      jeff maehl oregon
                      - really like him, and the heady player, will make it, if given a legit shot...hes probably not Austin Collie, but i could definetly see Blair White in em...

                      Hon mention- denarius moore tennesee

                      TE
                      Lee Smith Marshall
                      - blocking TE, with pretty solid hands, could find a niche on a team like the giants
                      virgil green nevada- this guy can catch the football.. Raw, but the upside is there...
                      cameron graham l'ville- didn't shine in combine, but trust me, this guys offense could find him a late rd pick, or UDF, that gets a chance at some point, and he makes good on it.
                      julius thomas port st.- raw talent is there, could become steal, with seasoning and coaching..
                      jordan cameron u.s.c- the majority of my TE sleepers are Raw upside guys, because its such a weak class, and its no diffrent here with jordan cameron...

                      Hon Mention- Shuyler Oordt no.iowa

                      RB
                      Bilal Powell l'ville
                      - one of my fave sleepers for months, i really like this guy...
                      Dion Lewis Pittsburgh
                      Brandon Saine Oh S
                      t- watch out for this guy, hes got the size, speed, and hands to really help..
                      jaquizz rodgers org st.- power, from the little man, and can get to the edge, plus catch pass's.
                      derek locke kentucky

                      Hon Mention- evan royster penn st- productive, inside the tackle runner, who blocks well, and can help outta the backfield, with any luck, is one of those guys who could be a betterpro...

                      OT
                      Derek Newton Ark St
                      - another one of my sleepers for months, alot of raw upside here....
                      Derek Hall Stanford
                      Darius Morris temple
                      joseph barksdale l.s.u-
                      a monster sized man, who as early as last yr, was talked about as 1st rder
                      Kyle Hix texas- just as a late RD RT, but if thats the case, has enough going to warren intrest

                      Hon Mention- Lee Ziemba Auburn


                      G
                      Demarcus Love Ark
                      - not huge sleeper, but i think hes gonna be a solid, outside first 3rd player
                      Steve Shilling Michigan
                      Julian Vandervelde Iowa
                      Justin Boren Ohio st.
                      Zach Hurd UCONN

                      Hon Mention-Rey Dominguez Ark

                      C
                      Brandon Fusco Slippery Rock
                      - i like this kid, alot.. Can move, and has versatility....
                      alex linenkohl org st.
                      ryan batholmew syracuse
                      tim barnes mizzo
                      kevin kowalski toledo

                      Hon Mention- Colin Baxter- if he could of stayed healthy, he'd possibly be a much higher talked about center..

                      What write ups i did put in the offensive sleepers are very small, and i didnt get to in depth, because i talked about most these guys all ready, and the page is all ready long enough, and i'm just not in the mood...
                      I'll do my Defensive 5per positon sleepers tommorow.....
                      [/quote]damn i left a lot of guys of i like some of these guys i just dont see as sleepers like colin. unless your trying to pull an alualu like i did last season lol. He wont make it outta round 2 and could possibly see a team trading up to late 1 for him. at least thats how much I like him.

                      barnes didnt lift at the combine that i saw and cant find his pro day workout stats but i like him as a late rounder. Like hix but 24 reps at the bine is concerning, i like my linemen strong like bull ! If he did better at pro day ill list him but cant find info. like fusco and forgot will rackley i think

                      didnt put pettis cause i just think he is too good to go 4-6th like you said he is projected. If he does go after 3rd he will be another mike w.

                      i figured powell would be rated higher than he is so i left him off. Agree though if he goes around where he is rated, big time sleeper. I think lewis and rodgers are rated to high be considered sleepers, just outside of top 10 at their position but i like both.

                      love all your te's but most are rated top 10 in their position. i kinda try to stay away from the top 10 players per position depending on how many are listed (like C, not many of em). even though some, if not most, will be taken 3rd round or lower i just think they ar too good to be listed as sleepers. LOVE virgil and julious.
                      [/quote] Also, as far as the TE's, none of em are gonna be going untill the 4th-7th rd, outside of Virigl Green and maybe Jordan Cameron, but thre still 2 very raw TE's, that are sleepers at there positon, because everything of theres, is based off "upside"...
                      As for Kyle Hix, i could care less what he benched one day at the combine.. I dont crusify guys because of a event or 2 at the combine... I liked how he played , and if anything, he could've moved up and been outta sleeper status, if he did to well at the combine.. I just like Hix as more of a Depth, late RD RT prospect, that can fill in, in a pinch, type player....

                      Powell and Lewis are certainly sleepers.. Are sleepers are around the 4th-7th rd, and u can mix and match, u don't have to have the bottom of the barrell type guys, where u have to find 5guys u like at each positon from the 6th rd on, thats kinda silly.. Again, Bilal was a sleeper of mine, well before his stock started to soar, just like his teammate Johnny Patrick was, all though, ill leave Johnny off my Sleeper list, because hes so well rounded and isn't as raw, as say Colin Kapernick... I dissagree on what u call a sleeper, but its all good...
                      [/quote]well those are guys i really like regardless of where they are drafted but yes i try and spot the hidden gems. very late round to udfa. to each his own
                      [/quote] Ya, i just like to find sleepers, mixed throughout the 4-7 range, and a few guys who i think are sleepers, that get picked alittle higher then where people think now, as well.. I'm doing a Mock Draft on "draft debacled" right now, and let me tell u, its incredibly hard to get all these guys where u think they belong... I'm midway through the 4th rightnow, and just had Kendall Hunter go to the 9ers, let alone, bilal powell... I mean, its hard because theres so many teams that need certain players, and not RB"s, so if u gotta guy whos 8th on the RB list, theres a good chance, hes not going till rd 5... I just like to find guys throughout the draft, that are gonnna make a impact,in my opinon, as long as there not guranteed top 2round guys, all though, i made a exception for Colin, because hes so raw, and was my SLEEPER way before he went up to 2nd rd status

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                      • Re: 2011 NFL DRAFT "Sleeper" Thread(Giant MB Traditon!!)

                        Ok you know your stuff, I have most of the same players as sleepers

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                        • Re: 2011 NFL DRAFT "Sleeper" Thread(Giant MB Traditon!!)

                          [quote user="nycsportzfan"][quote user="thegreatone"][quote user="nycsportzfan"][quote user="thegreatone"][quote user="nycsportzfan"]My final Sleeper list(top 5per positon just offensive). Top sleeper is 1st in each category, outside of that, no paticular order...

                          QB
                          Colin Kapernick nevada
                          - i raved about him well before his stock shot up, and he stays on my sleeper list because of that....

                          Pat Devlin Delaware
                          Nathan Enderle Idaho
                          Greg Mcelroy Bama
                          TJ Yates u.n.
                          c- i really like him as a late rd qb

                          Hon mention- Scott Tolzien Wisconsin

                          WR
                          Greg Salas Hawaii
                          austin pettis boise st
                          - my top sleeper, liken him to be this yrs, Mike Williams
                          Armon Binns cincy- another wr i really like, and he was a stud in the big east. Late rd steal
                          dane sazenbacher ohio st
                          jeff maehl oregon
                          - really like him, and the heady player, will make it, if given a legit shot...hes probably not Austin Collie, but i could definetly see Blair White in em...

                          Hon mention- denarius moore tennesee

                          TE
                          Lee Smith Marshall
                          - blocking TE, with pretty solid hands, could find a niche on a team like the giants
                          virgil green nevada- this guy can catch the football.. Raw, but the upside is there...
                          cameron graham l'ville- didn't shine in combine, but trust me, this guys offense could find him a late rd pick, or UDF, that gets a chance at some point, and he makes good on it.
                          julius thomas port st.- raw talent is there, could become steal, with seasoning and coaching..
                          jordan cameron u.s.c- the majority of my TE sleepers are Raw upside guys, because its such a weak class, and its no diffrent here with jordan cameron...

                          Hon Mention- Shuyler Oordt no.iowa

                          RB
                          Bilal Powell l'ville
                          - one of my fave sleepers for months, i really like this guy...
                          Dion Lewis Pittsburgh
                          Brandon Saine Oh S
                          t- watch out for this guy, hes got the size, speed, and hands to really help..
                          jaquizz rodgers org st.- power, from the little man, and can get to the edge, plus catch pass's.
                          derek locke kentucky

                          Hon Mention- evan royster penn st- productive, inside the tackle runner, who blocks well, and can help outta the backfield, with any luck, is one of those guys who could be a betterpro...

                          OT
                          Derek Newton Ark St
                          - another one of my sleepers for months, alot of raw upside here....
                          Derek Hall Stanford
                          Darius Morris temple
                          joseph barksdale l.s.u-
                          a monster sized man, who as early as last yr, was talked about as 1st rder
                          Kyle Hix texas- just as a late RD RT, but if thats the case, has enough going to warren intrest

                          Hon Mention- Lee Ziemba Auburn


                          G
                          Demarcus Love Ark
                          - not huge sleeper, but i think hes gonna be a solid, outside first 3rd player
                          Steve Shilling Michigan
                          Julian Vandervelde Iowa
                          Justin Boren Ohio st.
                          Zach Hurd UCONN

                          Hon Mention-Rey Dominguez Ark

                          C
                          Brandon Fusco Slippery Rock
                          - i like this kid, alot.. Can move, and has versatility....
                          alex linenkohl org st.
                          ryan batholmew syracuse
                          tim barnes mizzo
                          kevin kowalski toledo

                          Hon Mention- Colin Baxter- if he could of stayed healthy, he'd possibly be a much higher talked about center..

                          What write ups i did put in the offensive sleepers are very small, and i didnt get to in depth, because i talked about most these guys all ready, and the page is all ready long enough, and i'm just not in the mood...
                          I'll do my Defensive 5per positon sleepers tommorow.....
                          [/quote]damn i left a lot of guys of i like some of these guys i just dont see as sleepers like colin. unless your trying to pull an alualu like i did last season lol. He wont make it outta round 2 and could possibly see a team trading up to late 1 for him. at least thats how much I like him.

                          barnes didnt lift at the combine that i saw and cant find his pro day workout stats but i like him as a late rounder. Like hix but 24 reps at the bine is concerning, i like my linemen strong like bull ! If he did better at pro day ill list him but cant find info. like fusco and forgot will rackley i think

                          didnt put pettis cause i just think he is too good to go 4-6th like you said he is projected. If he does go after 3rd he will be another mike w.

                          i figured powell would be rated higher than he is so i left him off. Agree though if he goes around where he is rated, big time sleeper. I think lewis and rodgers are rated to high be considered sleepers, just outside of top 10 at their position but i like both.

                          love all your te's but most are rated top 10 in their position. i kinda try to stay away from the top 10 players per position depending on how many are listed (like C, not many of em). even though some, if not most, will be taken 3rd round or lower i just think they ar too good to be listed as sleepers. LOVE virgil and julious.
                          [/quote] Also, as far as the TE's, none of em are gonna be going untill the 4th-7th rd, outside of Virigl Green and maybe Jordan Cameron, but thre still 2 very raw TE's, that are sleepers at there positon, because everything of theres, is based off "upside"...
                          As for Kyle Hix, i could care less what he benched one day at the combine.. I dont crusify guys because of a event or 2 at the combine... I liked how he played , and if anything, he could've moved up and been outta sleeper status, if he did to well at the combine.. I just like Hix as more of a Depth, late RD RT prospect, that can fill in, in a pinch, type player....

                          Powell and Lewis are certainly sleepers.. Are sleepers are around the 4th-7th rd, and u can mix and match, u don't have to have the bottom of the barrell type guys, where u have to find 5guys u like at each positon from the 6th rd on, thats kinda silly.. Again, Bilal was a sleeper of mine, well before his stock started to soar, just like his teammate Johnny Patrick was, all though, ill leave Johnny off my Sleeper list, because hes so well rounded and isn't as raw, as say Colin Kapernick... I dissagree on what u call a sleeper, but its all good...
                          [/quote]
                          i dont crucify my olineman either i just prefer ones that do better at the bench showing strength and endurance.
                          [/quote] So, u don't like John Moffitt, who displayed strength his entire career, because he didn't do well on the bench?
                          [/quote]no i love moffit but he is rated to high to be a sleeper under what i constitute as a sleeper. would i prefer a stronger olineman with similar skill sets? of course who wouldnt.

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                          • Re: 2011 NFL DRAFT "Sleeper" Thread(Giant MB Traditon!!)

                            [quote user="thegreatone"][quote user="nycsportzfan"][quote user="thegreatone"][quote user="nycsportzfan"][quote user="thegreatone"][quote user="nycsportzfan"]My final Sleeper list(top 5per positon just offensive). Top sleeper is 1st in each category, outside of that, no paticular order...

                            QB
                            Colin Kapernick nevada
                            - i raved about him well before his stock shot up, and he stays on my sleeper list because of that....

                            Pat Devlin Delaware
                            Nathan Enderle Idaho
                            Greg Mcelroy Bama
                            TJ Yates u.n.
                            c- i really like him as a late rd qb

                            Hon mention- Scott Tolzien Wisconsin

                            WR
                            Greg Salas Hawaii
                            austin pettis boise st
                            - my top sleeper, liken him to be this yrs, Mike Williams
                            Armon Binns cincy- another wr i really like, and he was a stud in the big east. Late rd steal
                            dane sazenbacher ohio st
                            jeff maehl oregon
                            - really like him, and the heady player, will make it, if given a legit shot...hes probably not Austin Collie, but i could definetly see Blair White in em...

                            Hon mention- denarius moore tennesee

                            TE
                            Lee Smith Marshall
                            - blocking TE, with pretty solid hands, could find a niche on a team like the giants
                            virgil green nevada- this guy can catch the football.. Raw, but the upside is there...
                            cameron graham l'ville- didn't shine in combine, but trust me, this guys offense could find him a late rd pick, or UDF, that gets a chance at some point, and he makes good on it.
                            julius thomas port st.- raw talent is there, could become steal, with seasoning and coaching..
                            jordan cameron u.s.c- the majority of my TE sleepers are Raw upside guys, because its such a weak class, and its no diffrent here with jordan cameron...

                            Hon Mention- Shuyler Oordt no.iowa

                            RB
                            Bilal Powell l'ville
                            - one of my fave sleepers for months, i really like this guy...
                            Dion Lewis Pittsburgh
                            Brandon Saine Oh S
                            t- watch out for this guy, hes got the size, speed, and hands to really help..
                            jaquizz rodgers org st.- power, from the little man, and can get to the edge, plus catch pass's.
                            derek locke kentucky

                            Hon Mention- evan royster penn st- productive, inside the tackle runner, who blocks well, and can help outta the backfield, with any luck, is one of those guys who could be a betterpro...

                            OT
                            Derek Newton Ark St
                            - another one of my sleepers for months, alot of raw upside here....
                            Derek Hall Stanford
                            Darius Morris temple
                            joseph barksdale l.s.u-
                            a monster sized man, who as early as last yr, was talked about as 1st rder
                            Kyle Hix texas- just as a late RD RT, but if thats the case, has enough going to warren intrest

                            Hon Mention- Lee Ziemba Auburn


                            G
                            Demarcus Love Ark
                            - not huge sleeper, but i think hes gonna be a solid, outside first 3rd player
                            Steve Shilling Michigan
                            Julian Vandervelde Iowa
                            Justin Boren Ohio st.
                            Zach Hurd UCONN

                            Hon Mention-Rey Dominguez Ark

                            C
                            Brandon Fusco Slippery Rock
                            - i like this kid, alot.. Can move, and has versatility....
                            alex linenkohl org st.
                            ryan batholmew syracuse
                            tim barnes mizzo
                            kevin kowalski toledo

                            Hon Mention- Colin Baxter- if he could of stayed healthy, he'd possibly be a much higher talked about center..

                            What write ups i did put in the offensive sleepers are very small, and i didnt get to in depth, because i talked about most these guys all ready, and the page is all ready long enough, and i'm just not in the mood...
                            I'll do my Defensive 5per positon sleepers tommorow.....
                            [/quote]damn i left a lot of guys of i like some of these guys i just dont see as sleepers like colin. unless your trying to pull an alualu like i did last season lol. He wont make it outta round 2 and could possibly see a team trading up to late 1 for him. at least thats how much I like him.

                            barnes didnt lift at the combine that i saw and cant find his pro day workout stats but i like him as a late rounder. Like hix but 24 reps at the bine is concerning, i like my linemen strong like bull ! If he did better at pro day ill list him but cant find info. like fusco and forgot will rackley i think

                            didnt put pettis cause i just think he is too good to go 4-6th like you said he is projected. If he does go after 3rd he will be another mike w.

                            i figured powell would be rated higher than he is so i left him off. Agree though if he goes around where he is rated, big time sleeper. I think lewis and rodgers are rated to high be considered sleepers, just outside of top 10 at their position but i like both.

                            love all your te's but most are rated top 10 in their position. i kinda try to stay away from the top 10 players per position depending on how many are listed (like C, not many of em). even though some, if not most, will be taken 3rd round or lower i just think they ar too good to be listed as sleepers. LOVE virgil and julious.
                            [/quote] Also, as far as the TE's, none of em are gonna be going untill the 4th-7th rd, outside of Virigl Green and maybe Jordan Cameron, but thre still 2 very raw TE's, that are sleepers at there positon, because everything of theres, is based off "upside"...
                            As for Kyle Hix, i could care less what he benched one day at the combine.. I dont crusify guys because of a event or 2 at the combine... I liked how he played , and if anything, he could've moved up and been outta sleeper status, if he did to well at the combine.. I just like Hix as more of a Depth, late RD RT prospect, that can fill in, in a pinch, type player....

                            Powell and Lewis are certainly sleepers.. Are sleepers are around the 4th-7th rd, and u can mix and match, u don't have to have the bottom of the barrell type guys, where u have to find 5guys u like at each positon from the 6th rd on, thats kinda silly.. Again, Bilal was a sleeper of mine, well before his stock started to soar, just like his teammate Johnny Patrick was, all though, ill leave Johnny off my Sleeper list, because hes so well rounded and isn't as raw, as say Colin Kapernick... I dissagree on what u call a sleeper, but its all good...
                            [/quote]
                            i dont crucify my olineman either i just prefer ones that do better at the bench showing strength and endurance.
                            [/quote] So, u don't like John Moffitt, who displayed strength his entire career, because he didn't do well on the bench?
                            [/quote]no i love moffit but he is rated to high to be a sleeper under what i constitute as a sleeper. would i prefer a stronger olineman with similar skill sets? of course who wouldnt.
                            [/quote] so, u gotta kill the bench press, to be strong, is what your saying? Thats how u determine if a player is strong or not? U do realize, that a players arm length, plays a big part in the bench press, and also, it dosen't give any indication at all, of there Core strength, nor does it give u any indication of if u can even use that strength, when your on the move and have to use your whole body, instead of just laying there, lifting weights... Its not that important, thats for sure. If u like a player before one set of the bench press, u probably should like em, after it..

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                            • Re: 2011 NFL DRAFT "Sleeper" Thread(Giant MB Traditon!!)



                              [quote user="nycsportzfan"][quote user="thegreatone"][quote user="nycsportzfan"][quote user="thegreatone"][quote user="nycsportzfan"][quote user="thegreatone"][quote user="nycsportzfan"]My final Sleeper list(top 5per positon just offensive). Top sleeper is 1st in each category, outside of that, no paticular order...

                              QB
                              Colin Kapernick nevada
                              - i raved about him well before his stock shot up, and he stays on my sleeper list because of that....

                              Pat Devlin Delaware
                              Nathan Enderle Idaho
                              Greg Mcelroy Bama
                              TJ Yates u.n.
                              c- i really like him as a late rd qb

                              Hon mention- Scott Tolzien Wisconsin

                              WR
                              Greg Salas Hawaii
                              austin pettis boise st
                              - my top sleeper, liken him to be this yrs, Mike Williams
                              Armon Binns cincy- another wr i really like, and he was a stud in the big east. Late rd steal
                              dane sazenbacher ohio st
                              jeff maehl oregon
                              - really like him, and the heady player, will make it, if given a legit shot...hes probably not Austin Collie, but i could definetly see Blair White in em...

                              Hon mention- denarius moore tennesee

                              TE
                              Lee Smith Marshall
                              - blocking TE, with pretty solid hands, could find a niche on a team like the giants
                              virgil green nevada- this guy can catch the football.. Raw, but the upside is there...
                              cameron graham l'ville- didn't shine in combine, but trust me, this guys offense could find him a late rd pick, or UDF, that gets a chance at some point, and he makes good on it.
                              julius thomas port st.- raw talent is there, could become steal, with seasoning and coaching..
                              jordan cameron u.s.c- the majority of my TE sleepers are Raw upside guys, because its such a weak class, and its no diffrent here with jordan cameron...

                              Hon Mention- Shuyler Oordt no.iowa

                              RB
                              Bilal Powell l'ville
                              - one of my fave sleepers for months, i really like this guy...
                              Dion Lewis Pittsburgh
                              Brandon Saine Oh S
                              t- watch out for this guy, hes got the size, speed, and hands to really help..
                              jaquizz rodgers org st.- power, from the little man, and can get to the edge, plus catch pass's.
                              derek locke kentucky

                              Hon Mention- evan royster penn st- productive, inside the tackle runner, who blocks well, and can help outta the backfield, with any luck, is one of those guys who could be a betterpro...

                              OT
                              Derek Newton Ark St
                              - another one of my sleepers for months, alot of raw upside here....
                              Derek Hall Stanford
                              Darius Morris temple
                              joseph barksdale l.s.u-
                              a monster sized man, who as early as last yr, was talked about as 1st rder
                              Kyle Hix texas- just as a late RD RT, but if thats the case, has enough going to warren intrest

                              Hon Mention- Lee Ziemba Auburn


                              G
                              Demarcus Love Ark
                              - not huge sleeper, but i think hes gonna be a solid, outside first 3rd player
                              Steve Shilling Michigan
                              Julian Vandervelde Iowa
                              Justin Boren Ohio st.
                              Zach Hurd UCONN

                              Hon Mention-Rey Dominguez Ark

                              C
                              Brandon Fusco Slippery Rock
                              - i like this kid, alot.. Can move, and has versatility....
                              alex linenkohl org st.
                              ryan batholmew syracuse
                              tim barnes mizzo
                              kevin kowalski toledo

                              Hon Mention- Colin Baxter- if he could of stayed healthy, he'd possibly be a much higher talked about center..

                              What write ups i did put in the offensive sleepers are very small, and i didnt get to in depth, because i talked about most these guys all ready, and the page is all ready long enough, and i'm just not in the mood...
                              I'll do my Defensive 5per positon sleepers tommorow.....
                              [/quote]damn i left a lot of guys of i like some of these guys i just dont see as sleepers like colin. unless your trying to pull an alualu like i did last season lol. He wont make it outta round 2 and could possibly see a team trading up to late 1 for him. at least thats how much I like him.

                              barnes didnt lift at the combine that i saw and cant find his pro day workout stats but i like him as a late rounder. Like hix but 24 reps at the bine is concerning, i like my linemen strong like bull ! If he did better at pro day ill list him but cant find info. like fusco and forgot will rackley i think

                              didnt put pettis cause i just think he is too good to go 4-6th like you said he is projected. If he does go after 3rd he will be another mike w.

                              i figured powell would be rated higher than he is so i left him off. Agree though if he goes around where he is rated, big time sleeper. I think lewis and rodgers are rated to high be considered sleepers, just outside of top 10 at their position but i like both.

                              love all your te's but most are rated top 10 in their position. i kinda try to stay away from the top 10 players per position depending on how many are listed (like C, not many of em). even though some, if not most, will be taken 3rd round or lower i just think they ar too good to be listed as sleepers. LOVE virgil and julious.
                              [/quote] Also, as far as the TE's, none of em are gonna be going untill the 4th-7th rd, outside of Virigl Green and maybe Jordan Cameron, but thre still 2 very raw TE's, that are sleepers at there positon, because everything of theres, is based off "upside"...
                              As for Kyle Hix, i could care less what he benched one day at the combine.. I dont crusify guys because of a event or 2 at the combine... I liked how he played , and if anything, he could've moved up and been outta sleeper status, if he did to well at the combine.. I just like Hix as more of a Depth, late RD RT prospect, that can fill in, in a pinch, type player....

                              Powell and Lewis are certainly sleepers.. Are sleepers are around the 4th-7th rd, and u can mix and match, u don't have to have the bottom of the barrell type guys, where u have to find 5guys u like at each positon from the 6th rd on, thats kinda silly.. Again, Bilal was a sleeper of mine, well before his stock started to soar, just like his teammate Johnny Patrick was, all though, ill leave Johnny off my Sleeper list, because hes so well rounded and isn't as raw, as say Colin Kapernick... I dissagree on what u call a sleeper, but its all good...
                              [/quote]
                              i dont crucify my olineman either i just prefer ones that do better at the bench showing strength and endurance.
                              [/quote] So, u don't like John Moffitt, who displayed strength his entire career, because he didn't do well on the bench?
                              [/quote]no i love moffit but he is rated to high to be a sleeper under what i constitute as a sleeper. would i prefer a stronger olineman with similar skill sets? of course who wouldnt.
                              [/quote] so, u gotta kill the bench press, to be strong, is what your saying? Thats how u determine if a player is strong or not? U do realize, that a players arm length, plays a big part in the bench press, and also, it dosen't give any indication at all, of there Core strength, nor does it give u any indication of if u can even use that strength, when your on the move and have to use your whole body, instead of just laying there, lifting weights... Its not that important, thats for sure. If u like a player before one set of the bench press, u probably should like em, after it..
                              [/quote]




                              I will always take a Wisconsin O-lineman on my team. I love Peter Konz the Center

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                              • Re: 2011 NFL DRAFT "Sleeper" Thread(Giant MB Traditon!!)

                                [quote user="nycsportzfan"][quote user="thegreatone"][quote user="nycsportzfan"][quote user="thegreatone"][quote user="nycsportzfan"][quote user="thegreatone"][quote user="nycsportzfan"]My final Sleeper list(top 5per positon just offensive). Top sleeper is 1st in each category, outside of that, no paticular order...

                                QB
                                Colin Kapernick nevada
                                - i raved about him well before his stock shot up, and he stays on my sleeper list because of that....

                                Pat Devlin Delaware
                                Nathan Enderle Idaho
                                Greg Mcelroy Bama
                                TJ Yates u.n.
                                c- i really like him as a late rd qb

                                Hon mention- Scott Tolzien Wisconsin

                                WR
                                Greg Salas Hawaii
                                austin pettis boise st
                                - my top sleeper, liken him to be this yrs, Mike Williams
                                Armon Binns cincy- another wr i really like, and he was a stud in the big east. Late rd steal
                                dane sazenbacher ohio st
                                jeff maehl oregon
                                - really like him, and the heady player, will make it, if given a legit shot...hes probably not Austin Collie, but i could definetly see Blair White in em...

                                Hon mention- denarius moore tennesee

                                TE
                                Lee Smith Marshall
                                - blocking TE, with pretty solid hands, could find a niche on a team like the giants
                                virgil green nevada- this guy can catch the football.. Raw, but the upside is there...
                                cameron graham l'ville- didn't shine in combine, but trust me, this guys offense could find him a late rd pick, or UDF, that gets a chance at some point, and he makes good on it.
                                julius thomas port st.- raw talent is there, could become steal, with seasoning and coaching..
                                jordan cameron u.s.c- the majority of my TE sleepers are Raw upside guys, because its such a weak class, and its no diffrent here with jordan cameron...

                                Hon Mention- Shuyler Oordt no.iowa

                                RB
                                Bilal Powell l'ville
                                - one of my fave sleepers for months, i really like this guy...
                                Dion Lewis Pittsburgh
                                Brandon Saine Oh S
                                t- watch out for this guy, hes got the size, speed, and hands to really help..
                                jaquizz rodgers org st.- power, from the little man, and can get to the edge, plus catch pass's.
                                derek locke kentucky

                                Hon Mention- evan royster penn st- productive, inside the tackle runner, who blocks well, and can help outta the backfield, with any luck, is one of those guys who could be a betterpro...

                                OT
                                Derek Newton Ark St
                                - another one of my sleepers for months, alot of raw upside here....
                                Derek Hall Stanford
                                Darius Morris temple
                                joseph barksdale l.s.u-
                                a monster sized man, who as early as last yr, was talked about as 1st rder
                                Kyle Hix texas- just as a late RD RT, but if thats the case, has enough going to warren intrest

                                Hon Mention- Lee Ziemba Auburn


                                G
                                Demarcus Love Ark
                                - not huge sleeper, but i think hes gonna be a solid, outside first 3rd player
                                Steve Shilling Michigan
                                Julian Vandervelde Iowa
                                Justin Boren Ohio st.
                                Zach Hurd UCONN

                                Hon Mention-Rey Dominguez Ark

                                C
                                Brandon Fusco Slippery Rock
                                - i like this kid, alot.. Can move, and has versatility....
                                alex linenkohl org st.
                                ryan batholmew syracuse
                                tim barnes mizzo
                                kevin kowalski toledo

                                Hon Mention- Colin Baxter- if he could of stayed healthy, he'd possibly be a much higher talked about center..

                                What write ups i did put in the offensive sleepers are very small, and i didnt get to in depth, because i talked about most these guys all ready, and the page is all ready long enough, and i'm just not in the mood...
                                I'll do my Defensive 5per positon sleepers tommorow.....
                                [/quote]damn i left a lot of guys of i like some of these guys i just dont see as sleepers like colin. unless your trying to pull an alualu like i did last season lol. He wont make it outta round 2 and could possibly see a team trading up to late 1 for him. at least thats how much I like him.

                                barnes didnt lift at the combine that i saw and cant find his pro day workout stats but i like him as a late rounder. Like hix but 24 reps at the bine is concerning, i like my linemen strong like bull ! If he did better at pro day ill list him but cant find info. like fusco and forgot will rackley i think

                                didnt put pettis cause i just think he is too good to go 4-6th like you said he is projected. If he does go after 3rd he will be another mike w.

                                i figured powell would be rated higher than he is so i left him off. Agree though if he goes around where he is rated, big time sleeper. I think lewis and rodgers are rated to high be considered sleepers, just outside of top 10 at their position but i like both.

                                love all your te's but most are rated top 10 in their position. i kinda try to stay away from the top 10 players per position depending on how many are listed (like C, not many of em). even though some, if not most, will be taken 3rd round or lower i just think they ar too good to be listed as sleepers. LOVE virgil and julious.
                                [/quote] Also, as far as the TE's, none of em are gonna be going untill the 4th-7th rd, outside of Virigl Green and maybe Jordan Cameron, but thre still 2 very raw TE's, that are sleepers at there positon, because everything of theres, is based off "upside"...
                                As for Kyle Hix, i could care less what he benched one day at the combine.. I dont crusify guys because of a event or 2 at the combine... I liked how he played , and if anything, he could've moved up and been outta sleeper status, if he did to well at the combine.. I just like Hix as more of a Depth, late RD RT prospect, that can fill in, in a pinch, type player....

                                Powell and Lewis are certainly sleepers.. Are sleepers are around the 4th-7th rd, and u can mix and match, u don't have to have the bottom of the barrell type guys, where u have to find 5guys u like at each positon from the 6th rd on, thats kinda silly.. Again, Bilal was a sleeper of mine, well before his stock started to soar, just like his teammate Johnny Patrick was, all though, ill leave Johnny off my Sleeper list, because hes so well rounded and isn't as raw, as say Colin Kapernick... I dissagree on what u call a sleeper, but its all good...
                                [/quote]
                                i dont crucify my olineman either i just prefer ones that do better at the bench showing strength and endurance.
                                [/quote] So, u don't like John Moffitt, who displayed strength his entire career, because he didn't do well on the bench?
                                [/quote]no i love moffit but he is rated to high to be a sleeper under what i constitute as a sleeper. would i prefer a stronger olineman with similar skill sets? of course who wouldnt.
                                [/quote] so, u gotta kill the bench press, to be strong, is what your saying? Thats how u determine if a player is strong or not? U do realize, that a players arm length, plays a big part in the bench press, and also, it dosen't give any indication at all, of there Core strength, nor does it give u any indication of if u can even use that strength, when your on the move and have to use your whole body, instead of just laying there, lifting weights... Its not that important, thats for sure. If u like a player before one set of the bench press, u probably should like em, after it..
                                [/quote]. I never said if a player doesnt do well on the bench then i automatically dont like them i said I PREFER PLAYER THAT DEMONSTRATES GOOD STRENGTH ON THE BENCH. yes a bench is an indicator of that and yes arm length does play a role as do many other factors. You dont have to kill the bench press to be strong (although it helps) but you have to kill it to have good endurance and that's mainly what i look for. when a defenseive player slams into an olineman the olineman has to push him off which sounds a lot like what? thaaats riiight a bench press if an olineman get tired oafter 20 reps on a bench then how long before he is not effectively keeping players at bay in a game? if you think the bench isnt important, good dont pay attention to it, i do think its important. Did moffit fall a little in my eyes after puttin up 23 reps and running a 5.5 at the bine? yes,

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