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  • #16
    Re: 2011 NFL DRAFT "Sleeper" Thread(Giant MB Traditon!!)

    [quote user="juice33s"][quote user="Neverend"]


    [quote user="par404"]Nate Irving MLB NC state is going to be an impact player. Living in the Carolinas and had seen him play. Yes, a Ray Lewis type, little slow to be Patrick Willis type. Would make a good later round pick, especially if Bulluck is around to mentor him.
    [/quote]




    Good later round pick is right. IMO the guy is a tremendous leader and motivator but he doesn't have a lot of potential other than that




    [/quote]
    Not alot of potential? The guy had 20.5 tackles for loss and 7 sacks last season from the MLB position and he's probably going to be the first MLB selected in the draft this year over guys like greg jones and quan sturdivant.
    [/quote]




    Those are some impressive stats, but when you watch him play he's more of a WLB. He's pretty good in coverage, very fast, extremely good at shooting gaps because of his speed (which is how he gets his TFL's), plays sideline to sideline,etc. reminds me of michael boley actually. but idk, heisnt that great at taking on blocks. his technique isnt very good, he plays very high sometimes and his hand technique isnt very good. tho ill admit, ive only seen maybe 2-3 n.carolina games this year including the bowl game where I've paid attention to him the most. He's a terrific leader but sturdivant still has to be the best LB in this draft dude




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    • #17
      Re: 2011 NFL DRAFT "Sleeper" Thread(Giant MB Traditon!!)

      [quote user="Neverend"][quote user="juice33s"][quote user="Neverend"]


      [quote user="par404"]Nate Irving MLB NC state is going to be an impact player. Living in the Carolinas and had seen him play. Yes, a Ray Lewis type, little slow to be Patrick Willis type. Would make a good later round pick, especially if Bulluck is around to mentor him.
      [/quote]




      Good later round pick is right. IMO the guy is a tremendous leader and motivator but he doesn't have a lot of potential other than that




      [/quote]
      Not alot of potential? The guy had 20.5 tackles for loss and 7 sacks last season from the MLB position and he's probably going to be the first MLB selected in the draft this year over guys like greg jones and quan sturdivant.
      [/quote]




      Those are some impressive stats, but when you watch him play he's more of a WLB. He's pretty good in coverage, very fast, extremely good at shooting gaps because of his speed (which is how he gets his TFL's), plays sideline to sideline,etc. reminds me of michael boley actually. but idk, heisnt that great at taking on blocks. his technique isnt very good, he plays very high sometimes and his hand technique isnt very good. tho ill admit, ive only seen maybe 2-3 n.carolina games this year including the bowl game where I've paid attention to him the most. He's a terrific leader but sturdivant still has to be the best LB in this draft dude




      [/quote]
      Then I suggest you watch him a little more closely, the dudes a freakin beast

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYUk4VHIwGY 2 years ago
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMO_d...eature=related last season

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      • #18
        Re: 2011 NFL DRAFT "Sleeper" Thread(Giant MB Traditon!!)

        [quote user="juice33s"][quote user="Neverend"][quote user="juice33s"][quote user="Neverend"]


        [quote user="par404"]Nate Irving MLB NC state is going to be an impact player. Living in the Carolinas and had seen him play. Yes, a Ray Lewis type, little slow to be Patrick Willis type. Would make a good later round pick, especially if Bulluck is around to mentor him.
        [/quote]




        Good later round pick is right. IMO the guy is a tremendous leader and motivator but he doesn't have a lot of potential other than that




        [/quote]
        Not alot of potential? The guy had 20.5 tackles for loss and 7 sacks last season from the MLB position and he's probably going to be the first MLB selected in the draft this year over guys like greg jones and quan sturdivant.
        [/quote]




        Those are some impressive stats, but when you watch him play he's more of a WLB. He's pretty good in coverage, very fast, extremely good at shooting gaps because of his speed (which is how he gets his TFL's), plays sideline to sideline,etc. reminds me of michael boley actually. but idk, heisnt that great at taking on blocks. his technique isnt very good, he plays very high sometimes and his hand technique isnt very good. tho ill admit, ive only seen maybe 2-3 n.carolina games this year including the bowl game where I've paid attention to him the most. He's a terrific leader but sturdivant still has to be the best LB in this draft dude







        [/quote]
        Then I suggest you watch him a little more closely, the dudes a freakin beast

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYUk4VHIwGY 2 years ago
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMO_d...eature=related last season
        [/quote]




        Gotta admit, this kidlooks good. My opinion still stands however. He reminds me EXACTLY of jamar chaney coming out lol. This guy is great, shows good instincts in coverage with that pick 6 read the QB beautifully and broke on the ball at blazing speed. Great speed, good athlete. Can slip through blocks and avoid them well. His problems are taking on/shedding blocks, he's not good at it. That's a necessity for an ILB. He would be at his best in the NFL at WLB. He also plays to high and in the nfl olineman are gonna cut block him all day very easily.

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        • #19
          Re: 2011 NFL DRAFT "Sleeper" Thread(Giant MB Traditon!!)

          [quote user="juice33s"]he's probably going to be the first MLB selected in the draft this year over guys like greg jones and quan sturdivant.
          [/quote]

          He's going to go in the 3rd or 4th round.

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          • #20
            Re: 2011 NFL DRAFT "Sleeper" Thread(Giant MB Traditon!!)

            [quote user="juice33s"]Nate Irving MLB NC state- His nick name is the "Predator", gotta love it. Irving recovered from a near death car crash in 2009 (broken ribs, leg and puncured lung) to have a monster 2010 in which he was voted All-American by SI and Scout.com.

            The guys also noted for his commitment to the game and ability to be a player coach....In other words he's the Ray Lewis type leader our defense has been waiting for.

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otgKKqUcWhU

            [/quote]

            Juice, awesome selection....will be watching this lad....

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            • #21
              Re: 2011 NFL DRAFT "Sleeper" Thread(Giant MB Traditon!!)

              [quote user="slipknottin"][quote user="juice33s"]he's probably going to be the first MLB selected in the draft this year over guys like greg jones and quan sturdivant.
              [/quote]

              He's going to go in the 3rd or 4th round.[/quote]
              If he has a good combine he'll go in the second and challenge Sturdivant for top overall MLB....Personally I think he's already above him

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              • #22
                Re: 2011 NFL DRAFT "Sleeper" Thread(Giant MB Traditon!!)

                [quote user="slipknottin"][quote user="juice33s"]he's probably going to be the first MLB selected in the draft this year over guys like greg jones and quan sturdivant.
                [/quote]

                He's going to go in the 3rd or 4th round.[/quote]MAYBE early third but i bet you anything after more tape watching,combine, workouts he is a 2nd easily. no way he makes it to 4th.

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                • #23
                  Re: 2011 NFL DRAFT "Sleeper" Thread(Giant MB Traditon!!)

                  [quote user="juice33s"][quote user="slipknottin"][quote user="juice33s"]he's probably going to be the first MLB selected in the draft this year over guys like greg jones and quan sturdivant.
                  [/quote]

                  He's going to go in the 3rd or 4th round.[/quote]
                  If he has a good combine he'll go in the second and challenge Sturdivant for top overall MLB....Personally I think he's already above him
                  [/quote]

                  He's in the same ballpark as Kelvin Sheppard. No better

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                  • #24
                    Re: 2011 NFL DRAFT "Sleeper" Thread(Giant MB Traditon!!)

                    [quote user="slipknottin"][quote user="juice33s"][quote user="slipknottin"][quote user="juice33s"]he's probably going to be the first MLB selected in the draft this year over guys like greg jones and quan sturdivant.
                    [/quote]

                    He's going to go in the 3rd or 4th round.[/quote]
                    If he has a good combine he'll go in the second and challenge Sturdivant for top overall MLB....Personally I think he's already above him
                    [/quote]

                    He's in the same ballpark as Kelvin Sheppard. No better[/quote]
                    I don't see how you can say that considering Irvings the better athlete and has had better production (same can be said in comparison to Sturdivant).......To me Sheppards too lanky with a weak lower body and he would have trouble disengaging from NFL blockers

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                    • #25
                      Re: 2011 NFL DRAFT "Sleeper" Thread(Giant MB Traditon!!)

                      [quote user="juice33s"]>I don't see how you can say that considering Irvings the better athlete and has had better production (same can be said in comparison to Sturdivant).......To me Sheppards too lanky with a weak lower body and he would have trouble disengaging from NFL blockers
                      [/quote]

                      I dont think hes significantly better athlete than Sheppard is, and the production thing doesnt matter all that much.

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                      • #26
                        Re: 2011 NFL DRAFT "Sleeper" Thread(Giant MB Traditon!!)

                        [quote user="thegreatone"][quote user="par404"]Nate Irving MLB NC state is going to be an impact player. Living in the Carolinas and had seen him play. Yes, a Ray Lewis type, little slow to be Patrick Willis type. Would make a good later round pick, especially if Bulluck is around to mentor him.
                        [/quote]i wouldnt really consider him a sleeper. too good. guy is a beast and if we dont get quan or bruce he is another one im targeting. as you can tell im a carolinian as well:P
                        [/quote] i'm with you, nate irving is a 3rd rd pick at the latest.. This threads for guys going more likely later then that.. Irving is a beast...

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                        • #27
                          Re: 2011 NFL DRAFT "Sleeper" Thread(Giant MB Traditon!!)



                          [quote user="juice33s"][quote user="slipknottin"][quote user="juice33s"][quote user="slipknottin"][quote user="juice33s"]he's probably going to be the first MLB selected in the draft this year over guys like greg jones and quan sturdivant.
                          [/quote] He's going to go in the 3rd or 4th round.[/quote]
                          If he has a good combine he'll go in the second and challenge Sturdivant for top overall MLB....Personally I think he's already above him
                          [/quote] He's in the same ballpark as Kelvin Sheppard. No better[/quote]
                          I don't see how you can say that considering Irvings the better athlete and has had better production (same can be said in comparison to Sturdivant).......To me Sheppards too lanky with a weak lower body and he would have trouble disengaging from NFL blockers
                          [/quote]




                          I can't really start an argument this year since I admittedlly haven't watched much of nate irving but you're underestiminating sturdivant here. hes not a great athlete but the kid is a great player. has solid instincts andhas pretty good speed (i think he'll run a 4.5 in the draft) and can run sideline to sideline too. irving doesnt do anything that much better thanhim and sturdivant is much better against the run

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                          • #28
                            Re: 2011 NFL DRAFT "Sleeper" Thread(Giant MB Traditon!!)

                            [quote user="Neverend"]

                            [quote user="juice33s"][quote user="slipknottin"][quote user="juice33s"][quote user="slipknottin"][quote user="juice33s"]he's probably going to be the first MLB selected in the draft this year over guys like greg jones and quan sturdivant.
                            [/quote] He's going to go in the 3rd or 4th round.[/quote]
                            If he has a good combine he'll go in the second and challenge Sturdivant for top overall MLB....Personally I think he's already above him
                            [/quote] He's in the same ballpark as Kelvin Sheppard. No better[/quote]
                            I don't see how you can say that considering Irvings the better athlete and has had better production (same can be said in comparison to Sturdivant).......To me Sheppards too lanky with a weak lower body and he would have trouble disengaging from NFL blockers
                            [/quote]




                            I can't really start an argument this year since I admittedlly haven't watched much of nate irving but you're underestiminating sturdivant here. hes not a great athlete but the kid is a great player. has solid instincts andhas pretty good speed (i think he'll run a 4.5 in the draft) and can run sideline to sideline too. irving doesnt do anything that much better thanhim and sturdivant is much better against the run

                            [/quote]
                            eh they are about even imo but edge goes to quan who is much smoother in pass defense(although nate is no slouch). tell you what, whoever gets either has significantly upgraded their interior lb'r corps

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                            • #29
                              Re: 2011 NFL DRAFT "Sleeper" Thread(Giant MB Traditon!!)

                              [quote user="thegreatone"][quote user="Neverend"]

                              [quote user="juice33s"][quote user="slipknottin"][quote user="juice33s"][quote user="slipknottin"][quote user="juice33s"]he's probably going to be the first MLB selected in the draft this year over guys like greg jones and quan sturdivant.
                              [/quote] He's going to go in the 3rd or 4th round.[/quote]
                              If he has a good combine he'll go in the second and challenge Sturdivant for top overall MLB....Personally I think he's already above him
                              [/quote] He's in the same ballpark as Kelvin Sheppard. No better[/quote]
                              I don't see how you can say that considering Irvings the better athlete and has had better production (same can be said in comparison to Sturdivant).......To me Sheppards too lanky with a weak lower body and he would have trouble disengaging from NFL blockers
                              [/quote]




                              I can't really start an argument this year since I admittedlly haven't watched much of nate irving but you're underestiminating sturdivant here. hes not a great athlete but the kid is a great player. has solid instincts andhas pretty good speed (i think he'll run a 4.5 in the draft) and can run sideline to sideline too. irving doesnt do anything that much better thanhim and sturdivant is much better against the run

                              [/quote]
                              eh they are about even imo but edge goes to quan who is much smoother in pass defense(although nate is no slouch). tell you what, whoever gets either has significantly upgraded their interior lb'r corps
                              [/quote]
                              I'm actually very impressed with Irving in pass defense. He has the instincts and acceleration to jump routes and he has proven to be athletic enough to stick with guys down the middle of the field.....I fully expect Irving to outperform Sturdivant at the combine and when he does it I think its going to be very hard for people to justify Sturdivant over Irving

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                              • #30
                                Re: 2011 NFL DRAFT "Sleeper" Thread(Giant MB Traditon!!)

                                [quote user="juice33s"][quote user="thegreatone"][quote user="Neverend"]

                                [quote user="juice33s"][quote user="slipknottin"][quote user="juice33s"][quote user="slipknottin"][quote user="juice33s"]he's probably going to be the first MLB selected in the draft this year over guys like greg jones and quan sturdivant.
                                [/quote] He's going to go in the 3rd or 4th round.[/quote]
                                If he has a good combine he'll go in the second and challenge Sturdivant for top overall MLB....Personally I think he's already above him
                                [/quote] He's in the same ballpark as Kelvin Sheppard. No better[/quote]
                                I don't see how you can say that considering Irvings the better athlete and has had better production (same can be said in comparison to Sturdivant).......To me Sheppards too lanky with a weak lower body and he would have trouble disengaging from NFL blockers
                                [/quote]




                                I can't really start an argument this year since I admittedlly haven't watched much of nate irving but you're underestiminating sturdivant here. hes not a great athlete but the kid is a great player. has solid instincts andhas pretty good speed (i think he'll run a 4.5 in the draft) and can run sideline to sideline too. irving doesnt do anything that much better thanhim and sturdivant is much better against the run

                                [/quote]
                                eh they are about even imo but edge goes to quan who is much smoother in pass defense(although nate is no slouch). tell you what, whoever gets either has significantly upgraded their interior lb'r corps
                                [/quote]
                                I'm actually very impressed with Irving in pass defense. He has the instincts and acceleration to jump routes and he has proven to be athletic enough to stick with guys down the middle of the field.....I fully expect Irving to outperform Sturdivant at the combine and when he does it I think its going to be very hard for people to justify Sturdivant over Irving
                                [/quote]which is why i said he is no slouch himself. idk you could be right but right now quan is my favorite with irving a very very close 2nd.

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