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  • #16
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    Two other later round d linemen to keep a eye on are Mike Martin out of Michigan, and Jarred Crick out of Nebraska. Martin's a powerhouse with great hustle, but average athleticism. Crick is a LONG athlete, but for his height he's a little underweight, but he's got the athleticism to be a versatile defender (and he's a ferocious hitter). Also, if he can't work out at the combine he could be the steal of the draft on day 3.

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    • #17
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      I like the Crick pick and if he is around in round 4... he is definately worth grabbing. Like you said, he is versitile and can play DE/DT. Reminds me of a poor mans JJ Watt.
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      Round 1 - Eric Ebron, TE - North Carolina
      Round 2 - David Yankey, OG - Stanford
      Round 3 - Allen Robinson, WR - Penn State
      Round 4 - Anthony Johnson, DT - LSU
      Round 5 - Rashaad Reynolds, CB - Oregon State
      Round 6 - Andrew Jackson, ILB - W. Kentucky
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      • #18
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        [quote user="Shockeyitus"]I like the Crick pick and if he is around in round 4... he is definately worth grabbing. Like you said, he is versitile and can play DE/DT. Reminds me of a poor mans JJ Watt.[/quote]

        theres still talk of crick being a first rounder. probably more of a 2nd rounder, but falling to the end of the fourth round just is not going to happen

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        • #19
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          [quote user="slipknottin"][quote user="Shockeyitus"]I like the Crick pick and if he is around in round 4... he is definately worth grabbing. Like you said, he is versitile and can play DE/DT. Reminds me of a poor mans JJ Watt.[/quote]

          theres still talk of crick being a first rounder. probably more of a 2nd rounder, but falling to the end of the fourth round just is not going to happen[/quote] ya there is no way Crick goes even to the end of RD 3 let alone RD 4.. Hes at worst a mid to late 2nd rder with late 1st possiblity.. Shoot even the giants are a possiblity for Crick in RD 1..

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          • #20
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            [quote user="Shockeyitus"]I like the Crick pick and if he is around in round 4... he is definately worth grabbing. Like you said, he is versitile and can play DE/DT. Reminds me of a poor mans JJ Watt.[/quote]I loved Watt and those 5T DE's. I had Watt as my top DE last year.

            I know the Giants have scouted Crick closely from last year. I can definitely see him being a possibility at the end of round two if he made it that far.
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            • #21
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              [quote user="nycsportzfan"][quote user="slipknottin"][quote user="Shockeyitus"]I like the Crick pick and if he is around in round 4... he is definately worth grabbing. Like you said, he is versitile and can play DE/DT. Reminds me of a poor mans JJ Watt.[/quote]

              theres still talk of crick being a first rounder. probably more of a 2nd rounder, but falling to the end of the fourth round just is not going to happen[/quote] ya* there is no way Crick goes even to the end of RD 3 let alone RD 4..* Hes at worst a mid to late 2nd rder with late 1st possiblity.. Shoot even the giants are a possiblity for Crick in RD 1..
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              A healthy Crick, absolutely. But, with his injury, if he can't go at the combine, I can see GM's shying away.

              Great prospect for the Giants though: versatile, ferocious hitter, fluid, and very high character. I'd give him the Tuck treatment; situational inside rusher (just think of him and Austin stunting while Tuck and JPP come off the edges, and Kiwi blitzes), and brought along as LDE as Tuck ages.

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              • #22
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                [quote user="nycsportzfan"][quote user="Blue daddy"]I would rather see LB or RB maybe more help in the secondary or how about someone who's a threat in punt or kick returns.[/quote] Lets not forget Jerrell Jerrnigan is only a Rook coming outta small Sun Belt confrence.. He still could be our answer to the KR issues..
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                I had high hopes from him coming out of college as a special team returner. But I have not liked what I have seen from him in that capacity. Its not a skillset people usually develop either, its more instinctive than anything and I havent seen those instincts at all.


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                • #23
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                  [quote user="BlueSanta"][quote user="nycsportzfan"][quote user="Blue daddy"]I would rather see LB or RB maybe more help in the secondary or how about someone who's a threat in punt or kick returns.[/quote] Lets not forget Jerrell Jerrnigan is only a Rook coming outta small Sun Belt confrence.. He still could be our answer to the KR issues..
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                  I had high hopes from him coming out of college as a special team returner. But I have not liked what I have seen from him in that capacity. Its not a skillset people usually develop either, its more instinctive than anything and I havent seen those instincts at all.


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                  I don't think he has to learn it per say, but just get used to the speed of the game. He was electric with the ball in his hands in college, and that was with the whole defense keying on him. Give him time before judging (like any rookie, but I think that's especially true with this year).

                  Besides, the Giants haven't had a returner in YEARS who even looked decent (Hixon would bust a good one occasionally to skew the averages, but overall, they always had a 5-10yrd disadvantage in field position). It doesn't matter WHO they've got back there if the blocking doesn't improve. Hopefully Izzo will replace Quinn this offseason and teach guys how to block.

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                  • #24
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                    Im really not high on the earlier guys. I would take a guy like Jonathan Massaquoi later and hope they can teach him how to play Football. The other guys just dont have the edge rushing ability Im looking for to replace a guy like Osi if he indeed leaves.

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                    • #25
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                      [quote user="Raptor22"][quote user="BlueSanta"][quote user="nycsportzfan"][quote user="Blue daddy"]I would rather see LB or RB maybe more help in the secondary or how about someone who's a threat in punt or kick returns.[/quote] Lets not forget Jerrell Jerrnigan is only a Rook coming outta small Sun Belt confrence.. He still could be our answer to the KR issues..
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                      I had high hopes from him coming out of college as a special team returner. But I have not liked what I have seen from him in that capacity. Its not a skillset people usually develop either, its more instinctive than anything and I havent seen those instincts at all.


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                      I don't think he has to learn it per say, but just get used to the speed of the game. He was electric with the ball in his hands in college, and that was with the whole defense keying on him. Give him time before judging (like any rookie, but I think that's especially true with this year).

                      Besides, the Giants haven't had a returner in YEARS who even looked decent (Hixon would bust a good one occasionally to skew the averages, but overall, they always had a 5-10yrd disadvantage in field position). It doesn't matter WHO they've got back there if the blocking doesn't improve. Hopefully Izzo will replace Quinn this offseason and teach guys how to block.
                      [/quote] Your 100pct right on about Jerrnigan.. He hasen't even returned kicks for a full season for us and is coming outta smaller confrence in the Sun Belt which is way diffrent with the speed of the game.. Who knows how his confidence is right now(due to his pre-season and not playing basically at all this yr) and if he can get a big kick return or punt return it could be all it takes to get his confidence up and start realizing he does belong here.. I would never lose hope on a guy who hasen't even done the job for a full yr yet and is still a rookie.. Jerrnigan could certainly not be a good returner but its clearly to small a sample size especially for a kid whos used to playing all the time and had a rocky start to his career(with the drops in preseason).. I think alittle confidence can go along way with jerrnigan.. We definetly gotta give em more time as a player in general doing anything at all on the football field.. He basically gets a free pass in my opinion this yr especially on the WR end of things and yes as a returner as well

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                      • #26
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                        [quote user="Raptor22"][quote user="nycsportzfan"][quote user="slipknottin"][quote user="Shockeyitus"]I like the Crick pick and if he is around in round 4... he is definately worth grabbing. Like you said, he is versitile and can play DE/DT. Reminds me of a poor mans JJ Watt.[/quote]

                        theres still talk of crick being a first rounder. probably more of a 2nd rounder, but falling to the end of the fourth round just is not going to happen[/quote] ya there is no way Crick goes even to the end of RD 3 let alone RD 4.. Hes at worst a mid to late 2nd rder with late 1st possiblity.. Shoot even the giants are a possiblity for Crick in RD 1..
                        [/quote]

                        A healthy Crick, absolutely. But, with his injury, if he can't go at the combine, I can see GM's shying away.

                        Great prospect for the Giants though: versatile, ferocious hitter, fluid, and very high character. I'd give him the Tuck treatment; situational inside rusher (just think of him and Austin stunting while Tuck and JPP come off the edges, and Kiwi blitzes), and brought along as LDE as Tuck ages.[/quote] I'd be shocked if he dosen't go in RD 2 even if he dosen't go to the combine and participate.. I think his versatility and the possiblity of having a guy who can rush the passer from end or tackle is gonna be to much for teams to pass on.. If Cricks there when we pick in RD 2 and we didn't go Dline in RD 1 i think we'll take em..

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                        • #27
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                          [quote user="Redeyejedi"]Im really not high on the earlier guys. I would take a guy like Jonathan Massaquoi later and hope they can teach him how to play Football. The other guys just dont have the edge rushing ability Im looking for to replace a guy like Osi if he indeed leaves.[/quote] I can't believe your not high on mercilus.. THe guys a playmaker with perfect 4/3 DE size who forces turnovers just like OSI and is a complete player unlike Osi.. mercilus and jpp would form one freakishly good DE DUO going forward..

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                          • #28
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                            If the Giants wait on a DE untill mid rds I'd take a good hard look at Tyrone Crawford DE Boise St.. Hes not the fastest player off the edge but has a great big and strong frame and a great feel for the game.. Some guys just know how to play this game and Tyrone Crawford is extremely underrated and whoever gets him will get a very nice value pick in the mid rd's

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                            • #29
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                              [quote user="nycsportzfan"] If the Giants wait on a DE untill mid rds I'd take a good hard look at Tyrone Crawford DE Boise St.. Hes not the fastest player off the edge but has a great big and strong frame and a great feel for the game.. Some guys just know how to play this game and Tyrone Crawford is extremely underrated and whoever gets him will get a very nice value pick in the mid rd's
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                              Chandler Jones, DE - Syracuse... 6'5, 270ish... long and athletic! Round 3-4

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                              2014 Draft:
                              Round 1 - Eric Ebron, TE - North Carolina
                              Round 2 - David Yankey, OG - Stanford
                              Round 3 - Allen Robinson, WR - Penn State
                              Round 4 - Anthony Johnson, DT - LSU
                              Round 5 - Rashaad Reynolds, CB - Oregon State
                              Round 6 - Andrew Jackson, ILB - W. Kentucky
                              Round 7 - ** Traded for Jon Beason **

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                              • #30
                                Re: First round DE

                                [quote user="nycsportzfan"][quote user="Raptor22"][quote user="BlueSanta"][quote user="nycsportzfan"][quote user="Blue daddy"]I would rather see LB or RB maybe more help in the secondary or how about someone who's a threat in punt or kick returns.[/quote] Lets not forget Jerrell Jerrnigan is only a Rook coming outta small Sun Belt confrence.. He still could be our answer to the KR issues..
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                                I had high hopes from him coming out of college as a special team returner. But I have not liked what I have seen from him in that capacity. Its not a skillset people usually develop either, its more instinctive than anything and I havent seen those instincts at all.


                                [/quote]

                                I don't think he has to learn it per say, but just get used to the speed of the game. He was electric with the ball in his hands in college, and that was with the whole defense keying on him. Give him time before judging (like any rookie, but I think that's especially true with this year).

                                Besides, the Giants haven't had a returner in YEARS who even looked decent (Hixon would bust a good one occasionally to skew the averages, but overall, they always had a 5-10yrd disadvantage in field position). It doesn't matter WHO they've got back there if the blocking doesn't improve. Hopefully Izzo will replace Quinn this offseason and teach guys how to block.
                                [/quote] Your 100pct right on about Jerrnigan.. He hasen't even returned kicks for a full season for us and is coming outta smaller confrence in the Sun Belt which is way diffrent with the speed of the game.. Who knows how his confidence is right now(due to his pre-season and not playing basically at all this yr) and if he can get a big kick return or punt return it could be all it takes to get his confidence up and start realizing he does belong here.. I would never lose hope on a guy who hasen't even done the job for a full yr yet and is still a rookie.. Jerrnigan could certainly not be a good returner but its clearly to small a sample size especially for a kid whos used to playing all the time and had a rocky start to his career(with the drops in preseason).. I think alittle confidence can go along way with jerrnigan.. We definetly gotta give em more time as a player in general doing anything at all on the football field.. He basically gets a free pass in my opinion this yr especially on the WR end of things and yes as a returner as well
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                                I kind of disagree.


                                As far as JJ as a WR I do agree. We need to give him time to develop. I am 100% fine with that, its too early to judge and he absolutely gets a free pass.

                                But as a return man, its about instincts. Its not about getting used to anything. He could improve a bit with confidence, but I do not see those instincts yet. I see a guy who doesnt set up his blockers on returns. He doesnt always make the proper cut and he doesnt seem to have the vision.

                                If you are not a good return man the day you enter the NFL it is very unlikely you will develop into 1. You might learn some tricks but if the instincts arent there, they arent there. He has not been an instinctive return man at all.


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