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    So it seems like the biggest 3 names in the draft on the OL are Ramcyzk, Bolles, and Lamp. Who do u guys like most and why??

    Personally Ram's injury history scares the cap outta me, Bolles has amazing athletic ability, but being a 25yr old rookie isn't a good look. Which leaves Lamp, while he'll probably become a Guard he looks like a hell of a player

    Not totally sold on Bolles but I would be OK with him in the 1st. Would love Lamp in the 1st, and would be pissed if we took Ram in the 1st

    Hell even Dion Dawkins in the 3rd would be OK if we don't go OL in the 1st or 2nd
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  • #2
    BOLLES: Grade 6.1

    SOURCES TELL US "Most athletic offensive lineman I've done since I took over this area of the country. He's also mean on the field, which you love. I'm projecting him to get stronger once he locks into an NFL strength-and-conditioning program. He's underdeveloped right now. What you see isn't what you are going to ultimately get, in my opinion." -- West area scout for NFC team
    NFL COMPARISON Cedric Ogbuehi
    BOTTOM LINE Because he's only played one year of FBS football and hasn't been able to fully fill out his frame over the last five years, Bolles will require a projection and conjecture than most of the tackles in this year's draft. He clearly has elite athletic ability and foot quickness, but his lack of core strength and ability to sustain blocks against power across from him is a concern at this time. While he has Pro Bowl potential for a zone-scheme team, his floor will be a little lower than you might like in an early round pick.
    -Lance Zierlein


    --RAMCZYK-- Grade: 6.2

    SOURCES TELL US "He's really athletic and he's really smart. There are a lot of Wisconsin linemen who start in the league because they learn an NFL system and they are taught the right way. He played against Arden Key, Sam Hubbard and Taco Charlton. This guy is battle tested against three future first rounders." - NFC midwest scout
    NFL COMPARISON Joe Staley
    BOTTOM LINE Extremely confident tackle with the athleticism to stay on the left side and the technique to make an early impact as a starter. Ramczyk has the core strength and body control that should keep him connected to blocks in both the run and pass and he's proven to be scheme versatile with his playing style. Ramczyk is an early starter with the potential to become a good starting left tackle provided his medicals hold up.
    -Lance Zierlein


    --LAMP-- Grade 6.17

    SOURCES TELL US "He's the real deal. If he can snap, you could get away with playing him all up and down the line. Great feet, strong, smart." -- AFC executive
    NFL COMPARISON Zach Martin
    BOTTOM LINE Four-year starter at left tackle whose lack of length will likely force him inside on the next level. He has the athleticism to handle athletic interior rushers while being able to fit into diverse rushing attacks that ask more from the guards and centers. His ability to potentially line up at tackle, guard or center will only increase his value. Lamp's 2016 performance against Alabama's talented edge players was a resume-builder that shined a spotlight on his potential as a pro.

    --DAWKINS-- Grade 5.8

    SOURCES TELL US "I don't know if I see him as a guard or a tackle yet, but I think he can play both. I like him because I think he could upgrade our pass protection inside if we did bump him to guard, but he's athletic enough to play right tackle, too." -- AFC West scout
    NFL COMPARISON Joe Barksdale
    BOTTOM LINE Quality tackle who operates with good balance and solid technique. Shows some good initial quickness and a smooth kick-slide out of his stance, but might be better in short areas as a guard rather than in open space as a tackle. He's athletic enough to operate in space, but power appears to be his calling card. His wide-hand approach in pass protection could be a difficult habit to break, but he has the natural power to withstand bull rush that might come with that. Dawkins is a well-schooled, three-year starter who has chance to transition into an early starter.
    -Lance Zierlein
    Last edited by Kase-1; 03-12-2017, 07:54 PM.
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    • #3
      I'm on the Garett Bolles camp. You can't teach speed! He has all of the tools necessary to be an effective tackle. The one thing he needs to do is get stronger. That's the easiest thing to do. He didn't want to bench press at the combine but he will at his Pro day. He will only get stronger as time passes with an NFL workout regime. He says Michael Oher was a source of inspiration for him. It just so happens that Michael Oher was drafted in the 1st round at pick 23. :-) Oher has his Super Bowl ring.

      I love his strengths that they have listed for him:
      "Strengths - Elite athletic ability with the sweetest feet at the tackle position in this draft. Movement skills are smooth and unencumbered. There isn't an angle block he can't get to. Smooth climbs to linebackers as a work-up blocker, and has rare ability to accelerate from that block up to a third target. Has lateral quickness in run game to cross-face from backside and seal on the play-side. Can take quick settle steps, sinks and scoops defensive ends on base blocks. Quick feet allow for more patience to scan for stunts. Can meet edge speed with quick sets in pass pro. Plays with a mean streak and loves to finish. Outstanding change of direction to mirror without a hitch in his transition. Keeps weight on inside foot in his slides. Moves feet into position against inside counters. Balanced in his pass sets and keeps blocks centered. Should get bigger and stronger with more weight work after unorthodox path to the draft."
      Last edited by compaqnigg; 03-12-2017, 08:23 PM.

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      • #4
        none of these guys in the 1st, there will simply be a much better skilled position player available at 23..it has to be BPA. The comparisons some of these guys have to current NFL players is laughable,,,there are no joe Thomas' in this years 1st round. These guys are being over hyped and over valued in a pretty weak OL class.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by compaqnigg View Post
          I'm on the Garett Bolles camp. You can't teach speed! He has all of the tools necessary to be an effective tackle. The one thing he needs to do is get stronger. That's the easiest thing to do. He didn't want to bench press at the combine but he will at his Pro day. He will only get stronger as time passes with an NFL workout regime. He says Michael Oher was a source of inspiration for him. It just so happens that Michael Oher was drafted in the 1st round at pick 23. :-) Oher has his Super Bowl ring.

          I love his strengths that they have listed for him:
          "Strengths - Elite athletic ability with the sweetest feet at the tackle position in this draft. Movement skills are smooth and unencumbered. There isn't an angle block he can't get to. Smooth climbs to linebackers as a work-up blocker, and has rare ability to accelerate from that block up to a third target. Has lateral quickness in run game to cross-face from backside and seal on the play-side. Can take quick settle steps, sinks and scoops defensive ends on base blocks. Quick feet allow for more patience to scan for stunts. Can meet edge speed with quick sets in pass pro. Plays with a mean streak and loves to finish. Outstanding change of direction to mirror without a hitch in his transition. Keeps weight on inside foot in his slides. Moves feet into position against inside counters. Balanced in his pass sets and keeps blocks centered. Should get bigger and stronger with more weight work after unorthodox path to the draft."
          Michael Oher is not the comparison you want ... he stinks

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          • #6
            Originally posted by TCHOF View Post
            Michael Oher is not the comparison you want ... he stinks
            He might stink now, but he wasn't bad in his earlier years. He was voted 2nd in 2009 as Offensive Rookie of the Year by the Associated Press. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation...the_Year_Award He was good enough to be on a Super Bowl winning team in 2012. How many great offensive linemen do you see drafted into the NFL that never win a Super Bowl? A lot!

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Kase-1 View Post
              BOLLES: Grade 6.1

              SOURCES TELL US "Most athletic offensive lineman I've done since I took over this area of the country. He's also mean on the field, which you love. I'm projecting him to get stronger once he locks into an NFL strength-and-conditioning program. He's underdeveloped right now. What you see isn't what you are going to ultimately get, in my opinion." -- West area scout for NFC team
              NFL COMPARISON Cedric Ogbuehi
              BOTTOM LINE Because he's only played one year of FBS football and hasn't been able to fully fill out his frame over the last five years, Bolles will require a projection and conjecture than most of the tackles in this year's draft. He clearly has elite athletic ability and foot quickness, but his lack of core strength and ability to sustain blocks against power across from him is a concern at this time. While he has Pro Bowl potential for a zone-scheme team, his floor will be a little lower than you might like in an early round pick.
              -Lance Zierlein


              --RAMCZYK-- Grade: 6.2

              SOURCES TELL US "He's really athletic and he's really smart. There are a lot of Wisconsin linemen who start in the league because they learn an NFL system and they are taught the right way. He played against Arden Key, Sam Hubbard and Taco Charlton. This guy is battle tested against three future first rounders." - NFC midwest scout
              NFL COMPARISON Joe Staley
              BOTTOM LINE Extremely confident tackle with the athleticism to stay on the left side and the technique to make an early impact as a starter. Ramczyk has the core strength and body control that should keep him connected to blocks in both the run and pass and he's proven to be scheme versatile with his playing style. Ramczyk is an early starter with the potential to become a good starting left tackle provided his medicals hold up.
              -Lance Zierlein


              --LAMP-- Grade 6.17

              SOURCES TELL US "He's the real deal. If he can snap, you could get away with playing him all up and down the line. Great feet, strong, smart." -- AFC executive
              NFL COMPARISON Zach Martin
              BOTTOM LINE Four-year starter at left tackle whose lack of length will likely force him inside on the next level. He has the athleticism to handle athletic interior rushers while being able to fit into diverse rushing attacks that ask more from the guards and centers. His ability to potentially line up at tackle, guard or center will only increase his value. Lamp's 2016 performance against Alabama's talented edge players was a resume-builder that shined a spotlight on his potential as a pro.

              --DAWKINS-- Grade 5.8

              SOURCES TELL US "I don't know if I see him as a guard or a tackle yet, but I think he can play both. I like him because I think he could upgrade our pass protection inside if we did bump him to guard, but he's athletic enough to play right tackle, too." -- AFC West scout
              NFL COMPARISON Joe Barksdale
              BOTTOM LINE Quality tackle who operates with good balance and solid technique. Shows some good initial quickness and a smooth kick-slide out of his stance, but might be better in short areas as a guard rather than in open space as a tackle. He's athletic enough to operate in space, but power appears to be his calling card. His wide-hand approach in pass protection could be a difficult habit to break, but he has the natural power to withstand bull rush that might come with that. Dawkins is a well-schooled, three-year starter who has chance to transition into an early starter.
              -Lance Zierlein
              By these descriptions I'd be fine with Ram, Bolles or Lamp. Lamps versatility intrigues me, and I think he can come in and play RG immediately.

              The way they describe Bolles makes it seem as if he may not go in the first. I assume he will, but if there's a chance to go Lamp, then Bolles, I'd be pretty happy.
              NFL Draft (Realistic Hope):

              Rd 1
              Garrett Bolles - OT
              David Njoku - TE
              Zach Cunningham - OLB

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              • #8
                I would rank them: Ram, Lamp and then Bolles a distant 3rd.

                What about Cam Robinson? I might take him over all of them if he somehow slips to 23

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by TCHOF View Post
                  I would rank them: Ram, Lamp and then Bolles a distant 3rd.

                  What about Cam Robinson? I might take him over all of them if he somehow slips to 23
                  Ugh, Cam Robinson is Ereck Flowers 2.0. Literally the same intangibles in the combine as Flowers and the same problems too... lack of foot speed.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by compaqnigg View Post
                    Ugh, Cam Robinson is Ereck Flowers 2.0. Literally the same intangibles in the combine as Flowers and the same problems too... lack of foot speed.
                    Neither of them have a lack of foot speed

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by TCHOF View Post
                      Neither of them have a lack of foot speed
                      You must be watching Giants football in an alternate reality. Take off your VR headset! haha.The NFL is changing pops, DEs are able to run 4.6, 40 yard dashes (aka Myles Garrett). You think a OL that runs a 40 yard dash at 5.3 seconds (aka Cam Robinson and Ereck Flowers) is going to be able to contain a DE with that sort of movement? Take off the VR headset.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by compaqnigg View Post
                        You must be watching Giants football in an alternate reality. Take off your VR headset! haha.The NFL is changing pops, DEs are able to run 4.6, 40 yard dashes (aka Myles Garrett). You think a OL that runs a 40 yard dash at 5.3 seconds (aka Cam Robinson and Ereck Flowers) is going to be able to contain a DE with that sort of movement? Take off the VR headset.
                        They don't have adequate foot speed for OT because they run slower 40's than DE's?

                        You can't possibly be serious

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                        • #13
                          Lamp and its not close.

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                          • #14
                            I say draft lamp in the first to play guard and dawkins in the third for depth. There are no glaring needs on this team besides offensive line play. Might as well bring in a few more guus who have the potential to solidify that weakness while the eli window is still open. And when eli is gone, what better way to continue being successful than having a strong oline and defense until you get a future qv who can lead. Heck I would go lamp elflein/pocic and dawkins and add the youthful depth all at once while the holes in this team elsewhere arent there

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by TCHOF View Post
                              They don't have adequate foot speed for OT because they run slower 40's than DE's?

                              You can't possibly be serious
                              You can't be serious can you? I'm a master of logic TCHOF, you don't want to go down this path. Logic point #1 at what point does a person's speed come into factor? If you run a 6.4, 40 yard dash and I run a 4.6, 40 yard dash does that have any impact on me getting around you? I think we would be brainless if we said no. I always get a good chuckle when I hear people say: "But its the technique!" like technique solves everything. It doesn't, and that's a sad excuse to circumvent the real issue at hand. So since we establish that 40 time DOES matter, the real question is: At what speed deferential causes a significant advantage? That is subjective without substantial evidence, but I'd say if you ran a 5.3, 40 yard dash and I run a 4.6 yard dash I have an incredible advantage over you. Why does a 40 yard dash matter?

                              Because that tells me that you will be quicker in every other foot speed drill. Some people are more visual learners rather than using reasoning. So in that case, let me show you exhibit A: http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-combin...ombine-Workout Watch the 34 second mark. Watch that drill of Ereck Flowers at the combine. That says it all doesn't it? Watch that guy blow by him in that drill. That guy who's running past him isn't even close to the fastest DEs in the NFL. If you watch the 54 second clip in that video, Ereck can't even keep the man in front of him. That guy keeps on running outside of his reach over and over again. Not only is Ereck's foot speed slow, he doesn't have a good change of direction either as seen in the drill at the 12 second mark. He transfers his weight incorrectly in his feet which causes balancing issues. Athletes aren't taught this, it's a natural ability to run and maneuver yourself. Just like you can't teach someone to have a 36 inch vertical. You can show them the "technique" of how you jump but if you don't have the fast twitch muscle fibers, you aren't going anywhere. I want to show you the same drills that Ereck Flowers is doing but with Garrett Bolles doing them. The video exists, I saw it earlier today but I can't find it on NFL.com. You are going to have to take my word for it but the drill I showed above at the 34 second mark above, when Garrett Bolles does it, his man never makes it past him. That's how fast his foot speed is. His change of direction is lightening quick compared to Ereck Flowers too (12 second mark in the Ereck Flowers video).
                              Last edited by compaqnigg; 03-12-2017, 11:54 PM.

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