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  • #46
    I haven't seen anyone post this here but apparently Njoku's pro day was pretty incredible. He improved his vertical to 40 inches and his 40 time was 4.49 seconds. This was confirmed by a "consensus of reporters who were timing by hand". Link: http://caneswatch.blog.palmbeachpost...me-on-pro-day/

    His 40 inch vertical video: http://milehighsports.com/tight-end-...iamis-pro-day/


    Originally posted by TCHOF View Post
    Have you watched Cam play against Myles Garrett?
    I did watch that and he did a good job BUT Alabama had a really clever playbook that game. They made sure to 1) Get the ball out of the QBs hands very quickly and 2) They tried to have the QB run away from Myles Garrett as much as possible. The Alabama QB is a scrambling QB and Myles Garrett NEVER went inside. Cam was giving him the inside every play and he never took advantage of it, most likely because their defensive coordinator told him not too. It just didn't make any sense when you watch the game. If Garrett was allowed to make inside pass rush moves I think he would have completely embarrassed Cam. It would have kept him on his toes. He just tried to do outside pass rushes every play to contain the QB inside the pocket. Now Myles burned Cam on many plays in that game just by his speed rush but the QB was constantly getting the ball out a split second sooner than normal. It sure did make Cam look really good but it is deceptive tape imo. You don't get 1 dimensional plays like that in every college game (DE never attacking inside even when it is being offered to him) and especially at the NFL level. The good news is that the Giant's playbook is a bunch of quick plays!
    Last edited by compaqnigg; 04-18-2017, 08:24 PM.

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    • #47
      Originally posted by compaqnigg View Post
      I haven't seen anyone post this here but apparently Njoku's pro day was pretty incredible. He improved his vertical to 40 inches and his 40 time was 4.49 seconds. This was confirmed by a "consensus of reporters who were timing by hand". Link: http://caneswatch.blog.palmbeachpost...me-on-pro-day/

      His 40 inch vertical video: http://milehighsports.com/tight-end-...iamis-pro-day/


      I did watch that and he did a good job BUT Alabama had a really clever playbook that game. They made sure to 1) Get the ball out of the QBs hands very quickly and 2) They tried to have the QB run away from Myles Garrett as much as possible. The Alabama QB is a scrambling QB and Myles Garrett NEVER went inside. Cam was giving him the inside every play and he never took advantage of it, most likely because their defensive coordinator told him not too. It just didn't make any sense when you watch the game. If Garrett was allowed to make inside pass rush moves I think he would have completely embarrassed Cam. It would have kept him on his toes. He just tried to do outside pass rushes every play to contain the QB inside the pocket. Now Myles burned Cam on many plays in that game just by his speed rush but the QB was constantly getting the ball out a split second sooner than normal. It sure did make Cam look really good but it is deceptive tape imo. You don't get 1 dimensional plays like that in every college game (DE never attacking inside even when it is being offered to him) and especially at the NFL level. The good news is that the Giant's playbook is a bunch of quick plays!
      Myles did not burn Cam on many plays in that game.

      You know they faced each other in more than one game though, right?

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      • #48
        Originally posted by Kase-1 View Post
        The class is pretty deep, I'd take Dawkins, Dorian Johnson, Feeney or Bolles in the 2nd or Asiata, Garcia, Pocic, or Elfein in the 3rd and expect them to start immediately. Just because there aren't any clear cut top 10 lt prospects doesn't mean it's a weak draft class for OL
        It's def a weak OT class. Some of the guys you mentioned aren't half bad and there's some talent to be found here and there, but in comparison to previous years, this year drops off fast after the first 3-4 guys and it's about as meh as can be. Any analysist will confirm that.
        2017 Draft Wishlist:
        1. Christian McCaffrey RB Stanford
        2. Raekwon McMillan ILB Ohio State
        3. Roderick Johnson OT Florida State
        4. Jordan Leggett TE Clemson
        5. Ryan Glasgow DT Michegan
        6. Chad Kelly QB Ole Miss
        7. Billy Brown WR Shepherd

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        • #49
          Originally posted by compaqnigg View Post
          I just can't see Robinson on our line. We have DJ Fluker and Flowers already starting. He mind as well be another slow moving, big bodied, guy on our line. Ramczyk is interesting because he was considered the top OL prospect before the combine. Then he had hip surgery and there are questions about how much he likes football. So many red flags but the talent is there. To me he is a risky pick. I'm conflicted with him. Bolles has those sweet moving feet, he meets the eye test. He can reach the second level with ease in run blocking because of his athleticism.

          I was starting the Bolles hype train here on the Giants forums but it looks like scouts are falling in love with him too. I've seen many big boards having him rated as the top OL prospect now and a top 15 talent in the draft. His stock has risen tremendously. I honestly think that Robinson is drafted before pick 23, Bolles, and Lamp. Of those 3 I have a feeling Bolles or Lamp have a better chance of making it to pick 23 than Robinson. Some team is going to draft Robinson within the teens because of his size. A team that values the run game is going to want him on their line. The question is if the Giants have no issue with Ramczyk's hip surgery and he proves he has a love for the game in his interviews.
          How do you know Fluker is starting? Maybe I missed something. I loved him in college and hope he can show us once again why he was such a highly regarded prospect, but he needs to prove that to the coaches and team first. I also didn't see anything worthy enough from Flowers to make me feel confident that he's our guy at tackle. I really hope last season was just an off year for him and that he works his butt off in the off season to improve his play. Also, Bolles has been a top prospect for quite a while now, his combine performance definitely helped him, but he was never a sleeper or late round guy.
          2017 Draft Wishlist:
          1. Christian McCaffrey RB Stanford
          2. Raekwon McMillan ILB Ohio State
          3. Roderick Johnson OT Florida State
          4. Jordan Leggett TE Clemson
          5. Ryan Glasgow DT Michegan
          6. Chad Kelly QB Ole Miss
          7. Billy Brown WR Shepherd

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          "Behold, the tailgate party. The pinnacle of human achievement. Since the dawn of parking lots, man has sought to fill his gut with food and alcohol in anticipation of watching others exercise."
          - Homer J. Simpson

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          • #50
            Originally posted by TCHOF View Post
            Myles did not burn Cam on many plays in that game.

            You know they faced each other in more than one game though, right?
            They played 1 game in 2016 and 1 in 2015.

            Here's Cam holding Myles at the 1:59 mark. Myles beats him inside: https://youtu.be/oNQjPMvJUps?t=1m59s
            Nice slip by Myles to evade Cam 13:23. https://youtu.be/oNQjPMvJUps?t=13m23s
            Cam completely whiffs and falls on the ground (QB passed very quickly): https://youtu.be/oNQjPMvJUps?t=14m39s

            The majority of the plays were ran away from Myles. Almost every run that was ran to the outside of Myles was stopped for a loss (Cam's side).
            Link of specific plays: https://youtu.be/oNQjPMvJUps?t=18m44s
            https://youtu.be/oNQjPMvJUps?t=21m3s
            There's more plays but they were towards the beginning of the game. Almost every run up the middle or to the opposite side of Garrett was ran for gains.


            The QB was getting the ball out VERY quickly in that game too and running away from Myles' side. I will admit that Cam looks really good in run blocking though. He's a mauler for sure. He manhandled Myles on several of the early runs in the game up the middle and a couple ran near his side. But the running backs didn't dare try going outside on many runs. Like I said earlier, when they did that the majority of the time they were stopped for losses. But as the game progressed Myles was shedding the blocks, getting by Cam, but Alabama's playbook helped eliminate Myles getting to the QB.

            Cam put some nice blocks down though. I'll admit that! This one is really nice, as he gets to the second level: https://youtu.be/oNQjPMvJUps?t=21m07s
            I'm impressed with Cam in the run game and he can look very solid on passing plays too. The majority of the time the QB is moving away from Myles to give him a massive disadvantage so its tough to see how good Cam is. All he has to do is delay Myles for a split second and he has no hope of being a part of the majority of the plays in that game.

            Originally posted by TAILGATIN' View Post
            How do you know Fluker is starting? Maybe I missed something. I loved him in college and hope he can show us once again why he was such a highly regarded prospect, but he needs to prove that to the coaches and team first. I also didn't see anything worthy enough from Flowers to make me feel confident that he's our guy at tackle. I really hope last season was just an off year for him and that he works his butt off in the off season to improve his play. Also, Bolles has been a top prospect for quite a while now, his combine performance definitely helped him, but he was never a sleeper or late round guy.
            Money talks. You don't pay someone 3 million dollars and have him sit on the bench. He's the 3rd highest paid OL on the team this year. He's starting for sure. The question is where is he starting? Guard or RT?
            Last edited by compaqnigg; 04-18-2017, 09:11 PM.

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            • #51
              Originally posted by compaqnigg View Post
              They played 1 game in 2016 and 1 in 2015.

              Here's Cam holding Myles at the 1:59 mark. Myles beats him inside: https://youtu.be/oNQjPMvJUps?t=1m59s
              Nice slip by Myles to evade Cam 13:23. https://youtu.be/oNQjPMvJUps?t=13m23s
              Cam completely whiffs and falls on the ground (QB passed very quickly): https://youtu.be/oNQjPMvJUps?t=14m39s

              The majority of the plays were ran away from Myles. Almost every run that was ran to the outside of Myles was stopped for a loss (Cam's side).
              Link of specific plays: https://youtu.be/oNQjPMvJUps?t=18m44s
              https://youtu.be/oNQjPMvJUps?t=21m3s
              There's more plays but they were towards the beginning of the game. Almost every run up the middle or to the opposite side of Garrett was ran for gains.


              The QB was getting the ball out VERY quickly in that game too and running away from Myles' side. I will admit that Cam looks really good in run blocking though. He's a mauler for sure. He manhandled Myles on several of the early runs in the game up the middle and a couple ran near his side. But the running backs didn't dare try going outside on many runs. Like I said earlier, when they did that the majority of the time they were stopped for losses. But as the game progressed Myles was shedding the blocks, getting by Cam, but Alabama's playbook helped eliminate Myles getting to the QB.

              Cam put some nice blocks down though. I'll admit that! This one is really nice, as he gets to the second level: https://youtu.be/oNQjPMvJUps?t=21m07s
              I'm impressed with Cam in the run game and he can look very solid on passing plays too. The majority of the time the QB is moving away from Myles to give him a massive disadvantage so its tough to see how good Cam is. All he has to do is delay Myles for a split second and he has no hope of being a part of the majority of the plays in that game.

              Money talks. You don't pay someone 3 million dollars and have him sit on the bench. He's the 3rd highest paid OL on the team this year. He's starting for sure. The question is where is he starting? Guard or RT?
              Lots of 1st and 2nd round picks on that line. Lets hope they gel.

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              • #52
                Originally posted by TAILGATIN' View Post
                It's def a weak OT class. Some of the guys you mentioned aren't half bad and there's some talent to be found here and there, but in comparison to previous years, this year drops off fast after the first 3-4 guys and it's about as meh as can be. Any analysist will confirm that.
                Oh yea, the OT class is pretty weak, but the OG and C class is decent. Only OT'S that I like are Dawkins who is a RT/OG and Garcia who is a project LT. There are no clear cut clean LT prospects like previous years though
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