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  • Mock take 2

    round 1 - CB - Xavier Rhodes
    Big physical CB, fits if the giants want to run more tampa 2.

    round 2 - ILB - Arthur Brown
    Think he can play inside in a 4-3. Best stack/shed LB in the draft

    round 3 - DE - Corey Lemonier
    Undersized, but could be a great sub package rusher. But him at DE on passing downs and move Tuck/Kiwi inside.

    round 4 - OLB - Sio Moore
    Going to be at a minimum a very good ST player, but I think eventually he could play some SAM, could offer some ability as a blitzer as well.

    round 5 - DT - Bennie Logan
    Think he is the next Barry Cofield

    round 6 - TE Michael Williams
    Tremendous blocker, potentially could add some weight and move to OT. Could be a great replacement for Pascoe at least

    round 7 - K Dustin Hopkins
    If Tynes is not brought back need to bring in some kickers to compete for the job.

  • #2
    I like it ! Rhodes can bring that dog mentality this D lacks specially in CB position. Arthur Brown is a player I've watched all year long and love all about the kid, great leader, excellent athlete but I don't think he's a MLB at the next level, can fit in Fewell system as a WLB an. Don't like Corey's size to play DE but can understand the possibilities of using him as a situational pass rush. Sio is tough and like his aggressive syle of play. Bennie is a sound DT that can excell in blue, very athletic and showed good intelligence and football knowledge reading plays. Michael Williams pick is the one I like in later rounds, he is just tough as nails, huge run blocker and has above average hands. A K in the 7 th round heh, why not.

    Just one question, no OL draft picks ?
    " Success is never final, but failure can be " B.P.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by G-Men Surg. View Post

      Just one question, no OL draft picks ?
      There are a ton of FA OL this year. Some could be had cheap.

      If Beatty is not retained then OL becomes a much bigger need

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      • #4
        I think Beatty his a priority to resign. If the Giants take care of him I would not mind looking to get younger and start building up again our O-line , there's a few players I will be thrilled to have in blue in this years draft like Travis Frederick. Its time to let the quick fix aside and start building back our O-line .
        Last edited by G-Men Surg.; 01-23-2013, 12:21 AM.
        " Success is never final, but failure can be " B.P.

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        • #5
          I like Xavier Rhodes in the first if the pass rusher we want isn't available.

          I'm ok with Arthur Brown in the second but it wouldn't be my first choice (or second choice rather) and I just don't see the Giants picking an ILB in the second. But this could be the year they break with tradition (lord knows there's a need).

          Not thrilled with your next two picks. I don't like one dimensional guys (Lemonier) and we have enough filler LBers on the team already to be indiscriminantly adding more (that's what the Moore pick would feel like to me in the 4th).

          LOVE Bennie Logans in the 5th (mostly because I had the same exact thoughts and placement on him )
          I don't always root for the Cowboys but when I do I wear my pink Jessica Simpson edition Romo jersey. (yes I lost a bet)

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          • #6
            I'm struggling more and more with the first round. Rhodes is a good player, but this draft is deep at CB and I would argue mid round guys are potentially as good as Rhodes. Wreh-Wilson to me is as good of a prospect.

            I am still not sure if ansah would ever be a top pass rusher. He never dips around the corner. Not sure he has the flexibility to do it.

            I don't see ogletree as a top player because he's the worst LB against the run in the first couple rounds

            So where do they go? The other DE prospects? Maybe Mingo is there.


            As far as one dimensional player like Lemonier. A pass rush specialist is such a valuable commodity. Look at the year Aldon Smith had his rookie year or Bruce Irvin this year.

            And Sio Moore is a much better player than herzlich or Paysinger. He could certainly play significant snaps on defense.
            Last edited by slipknottin; 01-23-2013, 10:50 AM.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by slipknottin View Post
              I'm struggling more and more with the first round. Rhodes is a good player, but this draft is deep at CB and I would argue mid round guys are potentially as good as Rhodes. Wreh-Wilson to me is as good of a prospect.

              I am still not sure if ansah would ever be a top pass rusher. He never dips around the corner. Not sure he has the flexibility to do it.

              I don't see ogletree as a top player because he's the worst LB against the run in the first couple rounds

              So where do they go? The other DE prospects? Maybe Mingo is there.


              As far as one dimensional player like Lemonier. A pass rush specialist is such a valuable commodity. Look at the year Aldon Smith had his rookie year or Bruce Irvin this year.

              And Sio Moore is a much better player than herzlich or Paysinger. He could certainly play significant snaps on defense.
              Worst LB against the run?!! I can't disagree more. He's a LB in the SEC... and looked just fine against teams like LSU and Alabama (teams loaded with future NFL Rbs). He's DEFINITELY better than Arthur Brown and as I've said, I've been a HUGE fan of Arthur since he was in high school. Watch and decide for yourself:
              Arthur Brown http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sEBZiTWdeU
              Alec Ogletree (pay close attention to him meeting Eddie Lacy (possible first rounder) on the goalline and stopping him dead in his tracks. I'm not sure if anyone else has done that all year. Solo tackles on TJ Yeldon, that's impressive. There's just no way Arthur Brown (who pretty much lives in coverage) is better against the run than Ogletree... and Ogletree will add weight.
              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZy_y0on4u8


              As for your mock. Like the Brown and Lemonier picks. I don't think CL will necessarily be as one dimensional as some may think. I think he's a guy that can improve at the next level because he looked pretty good at Auburn despite being under the worst defensive coaching possibly in the country. As you said, even if he's just a great pass rusher, I'd be happy. He gets off the line quick, that's for sure. Good eye on that one.

              I'm not all that familiar with Sio Moore but will look for some tape.

              Love the Bennie Logan and Michael Williams picks.

              The Rhodes pick would depend for me personally how the 1st round was going... Not really a guy I've got my eye on but he can definitely play.
              2017 Mock Draft (Pre-combine / FA):

              Rd 1: OJ Howard (TE, Alabama)
              Rd 2: Tanoh Kpassagnon (DE, Villanova)
              Rd 3: Antonio Garcia (OT, Troy)
              Rd 4: Samaje Perine (RB, Oklahoma)
              Rd 5: Davis Webb (QB, Cal)
              Rd 6: Ahkello Witherspoon (CB, Colorado)
              Rd 7: DJ Jones (DT, Ole Miss)

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              • #8
                I'm not talking about ogletree's tackling. I'm talking about his ability to take on and shed blockers.

                Watch those videos specifically for how often Ogletree meets a blocker and sheds him. Almost never.

                Arthur brown is the absolute best stack and shed lb in this draft.

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                • #9
                  I have my own personal preference for Jamie Collins over Lemonier myself but I'd be cool with the latter as long as he has potential to offer more than pass rushes on obvious passing downs.

                  In regards to Ansah, it's looking more like he would be a better fit for a 3-4 defense as a DE where Okafor seems to be the better fit for the Giants because his pass rushing abilities are extremely underrated with the multiple moves he utilizes and he can shed blocks to make plays in the run game too.

                  Overall, a mock I wouldn't be sad to see if it turned out like this.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by slipknottin View Post
                    I'm struggling more and more with the first round. Rhodes is a good player, but this draft is deep at CB and I would argue mid round guys are potentially as good as Rhodes. Wreh-Wilson to me is as good of a prospect.

                    I am still not sure if ansah would ever be a top pass rusher. He never dips around the corner. Not sure he has the flexibility to do it.

                    I don't see ogletree as a top player because he's the worst LB against the run in the first couple rounds

                    So where do they go? The other DE prospects? Maybe Mingo is there.


                    As far as one dimensional player like Lemonier. A pass rush specialist is such a valuable commodity. Look at the year Aldon Smith had his rookie year or Bruce Irvin this year.

                    And Sio Moore is a much better player than herzlich or Paysinger. He could certainly play significant snaps on defense.
                    If there's no DE worthy of that pick or no monster DT available at 19 and taking in count your assessment then IMO go with the " safe pick " and grab a stud OL. There's gona be lots available when the Giants turn comes. Aside of your observation of a strong FA OL offseason even if they are cheap you thats only a quick fix, and more often than not you have to spend to get quality at OL a luxury we can't afford being saddled in salary cap, you can not go wrong if we go OL in 1st round. That been said Ansah's athletic ability is ridiculous, do you know he has run a sub 11 seg in the 100 mts dash ? At 6' 6 and 270 lbs ?!? That along is mind-boggling. He will better his craft and be a great DE passrusher for years to come, add JPP to the other side of the line and we could be looking up to special things in the near future.
                    " Success is never final, but failure can be " B.P.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by slipknottin View Post
                      I'm not talking about ogletree's tackling. I'm talking about his ability to take on and shed blockers.

                      Watch those videos specifically for how often Ogletree meets a blocker and sheds him. Almost never.

                      Arthur brown is the absolute best stack and shed lb in this draft.
                      I laughed.

                      Why would you want a DE (and the only one we'd take) in the 3rd round if you think he'd only play on passing downs?
                      2017 Mock Draft (Pre-combine / FA):

                      Rd 1: OJ Howard (TE, Alabama)
                      Rd 2: Tanoh Kpassagnon (DE, Villanova)
                      Rd 3: Antonio Garcia (OT, Troy)
                      Rd 4: Samaje Perine (RB, Oklahoma)
                      Rd 5: Davis Webb (QB, Cal)
                      Rd 6: Ahkello Witherspoon (CB, Colorado)
                      Rd 7: DJ Jones (DT, Ole Miss)

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                      • #12
                        Like the players but we need some OL

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by slipknottin View Post

                          Arthur brown is the absolute best stack and shed lb in this draft.
                          Seems like he should have more tackles than everyone else than (instead of the opposite). Especially more than a guy with 3 less games and is the worst against the run.
                          2017 Mock Draft (Pre-combine / FA):

                          Rd 1: OJ Howard (TE, Alabama)
                          Rd 2: Tanoh Kpassagnon (DE, Villanova)
                          Rd 3: Antonio Garcia (OT, Troy)
                          Rd 4: Samaje Perine (RB, Oklahoma)
                          Rd 5: Davis Webb (QB, Cal)
                          Rd 6: Ahkello Witherspoon (CB, Colorado)
                          Rd 7: DJ Jones (DT, Ole Miss)

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by G-Men Surg. View Post
                            If there's no DE worthy of that pick or no monster DT available at 19 and taking in count your assessment then IMO go with the " safe pick " and grab a stud OL. There's gona be lots available when the Giants turn comes. Aside of your observation of a strong FA OL offseason even if they are cheap you thats only a quick fix, and more often than not you have to spend to get quality at OL a luxury we can't afford being saddled in salary cap, you can not go wrong if we go OL in 1st round. That been said Ansah's athletic ability is ridiculous, do you know he has run a sub 11 seg in the 100 mts dash ? At 6' 6 and 270 lbs ?!? That along is mind-boggling. He will better his craft and be a great DE passrusher for years to come, add JPP to the other side of the line and we could be looking up to special things in the near future.
                            I've watched a lot of video of Ansah. His speed to close is very impressive. But I have never seen him dip around the edge. He just doesn't do it. He does not explode off the ball either.

                            Combine those two, and you have a guy who is probably better off as a 5 tech. He's not a natural edge guy.
                            Last edited by slipknottin; 01-23-2013, 01:13 PM.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by BlueSabbath View Post
                              I laughed.

                              Why would you want a DE (and the only one we'd take) in the 3rd round if you think he'd only play on passing downs?
                              For the same reason the Seahawks and 49ers took a passing down only guy in the first.

                              A sub package rush end is incredibly valuable

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