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  • rainierjef
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    Mock 1.3

    I am basing this trade off of the point chart provided. I am not to sure how accruate this is or if this is as easy as i am about to make it look but bare with me thanks. http://www.draftcountdown.com/features/Value-Chart.php

    Trade the 19th pick back to 31 ( Ravens/49ers) they both have needs to fill that might warrant them trading up for that top 20 pick, depending on who's available. We also get their 2nd rounder / or we can take their 3rd rounder/ 4th rounder and a 3rd or second next year. don't argue if its possible or not just look at the draft I guess lol

    1st - 31st Pick - Lane Johnson OT / Xavier Rhodes DB - Both picks are great value @ this spot, I see banks and millner as the the two DB's going early, personally I think Rhodes is a better prospect than Millner, but noterity usually prevails with bad GM's { see. redskins for the past decade.} I am leaning to Rhodes here.

    2nd - 49th Pick - Datone Jones DE - 6'4 280 big physical kid with some speed and knows how to use his hands to push back his opposition. He helped his stock rise from a 3rd rounder to a 2nd rounder. he will be dominant with his size and documented short area quickness at the LDE spot right next to linval. He was not overly productive at UCLA cause he was moved around alot in their hybrid 3-4 scheme, this adds versitility which is something we like as a DT/DE

    2nd - 61st Pick - Sylvester Williams, DT -This kid is the physical interior force that we need next to linval with JPP on his right hip, Canty is still serviceable when healthy so don't expect this kid to come in and take away the starting spot but taking time to learn while rotating in and out will give this kid the tools to be the force we thought Austin was going to be.

    3rd- 81st Pick - Kiko Alonso ILB/OLB - I contemplated Nico at this spot, but I feel Alonso is a steal here, due to Jordans hype he has been overlooked a little but if you look this kid is impressive. he's has playmaking potential as well, regestering some interceptions and FF/FR's. 6-4. 242 he has a lanky body so he can add muscle and not lose much speed he's documented at a low 4.7 if that holds then sign me up.

    4th- 113th Pick - Rick Wagner OT - Versitile as they get moved from RT to LT and has played some OG. I like this kid at this spot, I am starting to think he might move up as well depending on his showing at the senior bowl; kind of hoping he doesn't he would be a great value here.

    5th- 146th Pick - Jonathan Cyprien SS - I like his physicality and he is a hard hitter, He remindes me of chad jones, Solid depth at a position we might/might not need help in.

    6th- 178th Pick - Hugh Thornton - Another versitile OT/OG.

    7th - 210th Pick - Cornelius Washington DE / Michael Ford RB - I am split here. Washington can be a good rotational DE who has some OLB experience, can be that joker type player that Kiwi has been in out system. Ford is an interesting prospect due to the 3 headed RB system that LSU has his production is lackluster but the talent is there. he is a Andre borwn type of runner, patient, utilizes his blocks and runs with a good combo of speed and power.

  • G-Men Surg.
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    The scenario of trading back is always enticing even more when you get a pick back . I think its gona be difficult to see Lane or Rhodes at the end of the first, some experts are mocking them higher because of their skills and team needs but if by any chance this could get thru I'm in. I have Wagner and Cyprien in my mock draft too and your other picks fill nice balance between need vs BPA.

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  • rainierjef
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    Originally posted by ELI_HOF_NYG View Post
    your comparing a 1st rounder, 19th overall to a fifth round pick,, I stopped reading right there,,,there will be too many cant pass prospects at 19 to trade,,won't happen. value as in 1st rounders.
    then stop posting as well if your not going to read the full thing.
    You said reese values his picks, him shipping off a 5th for a player with an injury history is not the book term description of valuing. whether it be first or 7th when you say someone values their picks that to me means they are not parting ways with any of them no matter where they are slated. You also just don't see the bigger picture, you think " hey were at 19 we can get that sure fire stud there, that guys that's going to come in and miraculously change the unit he plays for." I see great value in the later rounds and if it means trading back not out of the first by no means just back a bit to acquire a couple more picks in a round where there is talent, i don't see why this is not widely accepted or is it just you?

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  • ELI_HOF_NYG
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    Originally posted by rainierjef View Post
    How much did he value his picks when he shipped off a 5th rounder for Rivers? Trading back to get more picks is the smartest thing to do. Like my boy Sportzfan said all the underclass men entering this draft plus the fact that two extra guys are on the board due to (NO and CLE) not having their 2nd round picks. we can get some 2014 first rounders in the second round.
    your comparing a 1st rounder, 19th overall to a fifth round pick,, I stopped reading right there,,,there will be too many cant pass prospects at 19 to trade,,won't happen. value as in 1st rounders.

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  • born blue
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    Originally posted by nycsportzfan View Post
    If i was 2 make that trade, and could fill our draft out, i'd go like this.. 1). Kevin Minter ILB LSU2). Desmond Trufant CB Washington(i think poyer and rhodes gone by mid 2nd)2). Datone Jones DE UCLA(really climbing up my personal rankings, even though i've always liked em, i'm liking em more)3). Baccari Rambo S Georgia(might not be available, but at least a shot)4). Brian Winters G/T Kent St.5). Levine Toilolo TE Stanford6). TJ Johnson C/G South Carolina7). Miguel Maysonet RB Slippery Rock
    Sportzfan,I respect your knowledge of prospects, but I just don't get your love of Rambo. Kid looks like he doesn't want to hit anyone and avoids contact. Who was the last great safety to do that? Much rather Phil Thomas out of Fresno St...ballhawk who looks for contact.

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  • rainierjef
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    Originally posted by ELI_HOF_NYG View Post
    is this the same kid who was suspended an entire season for robbing somebody?
    yep

    Burlgary the person was not in the home. some character issues but nothing we have not dealt with before.

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  • ELI_HOF_NYG
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    Originally posted by rainierjef View Post
    No offense but i don't think you have watched any of his tape if your calling him slow and takes bad angles, and I don't know where you're getting your draft info from but this kid has been a sleeper for some time now and his stock is going to rise with the senior bowl and combine. he is Athletic and fast, and has play making ability. I think he has been hampered with some knee (not sure) issues but he stated hes close to 100%.

    - Alonso entered Saturday's showdown having already posted 42 tackles, including eight tackles for loss and a sack on the season. He's also proved to be a turnover magnet, registering two interceptions and has both forced and recovered a fumble. Despite playing the same position, Alonso isn't a mauler in the middle like Notre Dame's Manti Te'o, the unquestioned top inside linebacker in the country. Whereas the Irish star has the perfect build for stuffing the run at 6-2, 255 pounds, Alonso has a slimmer, more athletic build at 6-3, 242 pounds that some scouts believe could make him valuable in the NFL because he'll likely be able to play all three positions in a normal 4-3 alignment. - Rob Rang, NFLDraftScout.com
    is this the same kid who was suspended an entire season for robbing somebody?

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  • rainierjef
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    Originally posted by ELI_HOF_NYG View Post
    ok,,not a chance in hell they trade back,,jerry values his picks too much.
    How much did he value his picks when he shipped off a 5th rounder for Rivers? Trading back to get more picks is the smartest thing to do. Like my boy Sportzfan said all the underclass men entering this draft plus the fact that two extra guys are on the board due to (NO and CLE) not having their 2nd round picks. we can get some 2014 first rounders in the second round.

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  • rainierjef
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    Originally posted by Kruunch View Post
    I highly doubt Lane Johnson or Xavier Rhodes are available at #31.
    Lane maybe not. Rhodes can be there. Most mocks I see put xavier in the second round or late first. this is pre combine projections we don't know squat for sure until after combines, ansah can go top 5 or top 5 second round for all we know, pure speculation right now.

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  • ELI_HOF_NYG
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    ok,,not a chance in hell they trade back,,jerry values his picks too much.

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  • rainierjef
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    Originally posted by PBTimmons View Post
    To the OP - Kiko Alonso is a steal in the 3rd? I beg to differ. He's a 5th-7th and could go undrafted. He's slow, takes bad angles...etc.
    No offense but i don't think you have watched any of his tape if your calling him slow and takes bad angles, and I don't know where you're getting your draft info from but this kid has been a sleeper for some time now and his stock is going to rise with the senior bowl and combine. he is Athletic and fast, and has play making ability. I think he has been hampered with some knee (not sure) issues but he stated hes close to 100%.

    - Alonso entered Saturday's showdown having already posted 42 tackles, including eight tackles for loss and a sack on the season. He's also proved to be a turnover magnet, registering two interceptions and has both forced and recovered a fumble. Despite playing the same position, Alonso isn't a mauler in the middle like Notre Dame's Manti Te'o, the unquestioned top inside linebacker in the country. Whereas the Irish star has the perfect build for stuffing the run at 6-2, 255 pounds, Alonso has a slimmer, more athletic build at 6-3, 242 pounds that some scouts believe could make him valuable in the NFL because he'll likely be able to play all three positions in a normal 4-3 alignment. - Rob Rang, NFLDraftScout.com

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  • Kruunch
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    Originally posted by PBTimmons View Post
    All depends on how fast Rhodes runs at the combine. If he is in the 4.5's id say he'll be there late. He's really good at slowing down the WR with his hands, but I'm not seeing that elite speed from his tape.

    To the OP - Kiko Alonso is a steal in the 3rd? I beg to differ. He's a 5th-7th and could go undrafted. He's slow, takes bad angles...etc.
    High 4.5s I agree. He's expected to run the low 4.5s (which wouldn't change his stock from what it is now more than likely) and has been timed as sub 4.5 which will only raise his stock if he pulls that at the Combine.

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  • Mlerman17
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    Does anyone know where I can find more tape of Bruce Taylor? I only watched him in his bowl game and he looked great. A perfect mid to late round selection for us, allowing our first and second picks to be used on cb/ol/de.

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  • BlueSabbath
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    Originally posted by rainierjef View Post
    I have to respectfully disagree with you here, besides the fact that the coaches love him and the players look up to him the kid is a natural leader. Instinctive, physical, already at a prototypically good size for a 4-3 MLB thumper. Sure, he can get better in coverage but overall he make that up in athleticisim. Nico Johnos is also a great pick where he would fall to 3rd-4th but analyst have Minter jumping up to top 20 first round. There is a big drop in talent from Minter to Johnson.

    Edit:
    Minter is a physical downhill linebacker, who plays decisive and tough with an attacking play style. He shows little wasted movements and plays with an infectious intensity that his teammates feed off of, earning praise for his attitude on and off the field by the coaching staff. LSU defensive coordinator John Chavis has called Minter the team's top competitor, and, at the end-of-season banquet, Minter was voted by his teammates as the team's most valuable player. While Te'o appears to be the consensus top prospect at his position, it wouldn't be surprising if some teams rank Minter as the better inside linebacker. - Dane Brugler, NFLDraftScout.com

    - "I would be ecstatic to have him in blue and move chase over to SLB while Boley/Williams man the WILL."
    Those are reasons I like Nico. He's listed at 6'3 245 (probably closer to 6'2). Minter is listed at 6'2 245. So their size is the same. AND, Nico Johnson is also one of the team leaders and looked up to among the team. If Minter played at Alabama, he would have been in the exact same position as Nico. He'd be pulled on passing downs, getting less playing time and dropping down the draft. Both are great against the run and have question marks in how they are in coverage. I guess I just don't see how someone can say Minter fits our system and not Nico, if you are concerned about getting a LB that can drop into coverage. Anyone who plays for Nick Saban and lasts until their senior year is a competitor.

    EDIT: I definitely think Minter is more of a thumper and definitely swarms into plays and is a playmaker. That's why I like him and why he's a higher rated prospect.... I do not think his is more mobile than Nico though. Nico seems thinner in the hips and legs and looks like he moves better, which is why I think he'd better in coverage... Minter seems like he can see where a play is going and gets there quickly and with power but seems more like a straightline LB to me. It will be interesting to see what their times are the combine/pro day. There's a reason that Minter is the better prospect, he's a manimal. But don't really think he's more mobile... definitely more powerful.
    Last edited by BlueSabbath; 01-24-2013, 11:39 AM.

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  • PBTimmons
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    Originally posted by Kruunch View Post
    I highly doubt Lane Johnson or Xavier Rhodes are available at #31.
    All depends on how fast Rhodes runs at the combine. If he is in the 4.5's id say he'll be there late. He's really good at slowing down the WR with his hands, but I'm not seeing that elite speed from his tape.

    To the OP - Kiko Alonso is a steal in the 3rd? I beg to differ. He's a 5th-7th and could go undrafted. He's slow, takes bad angles...etc.

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