Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

Kruunch's 2013 Final Mock

Collapse
X
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • #16
    Originally posted by GiantPride13 View Post
    Hes not in the same league as the guys projected int eh first two rounds. (Brown, Minter, Ogletree, maybe even Sio)

    I love Rutgers and love picking up their players but he isnt as physical or versatile as the other guys. Like you said he is only a WILL. He isnt a big hitter and saw him miss alot of tackles. Also although i love/ed the big east its not he same competition level of Brown/Minter/Ogletree and they look better in film and in the combine. I project him no earlier than the 3rd.

    As far as our loathsome LB Issues. Its JWills time to step up and i think he becomes a star this year. Conner is a younger chase Blackburn with better athletics and tacking ability although i wouldnt mind a veteran like urlacher in there to rotate with him / lead the defense. As long as Rivers stays healthy hes a valuable player but there is such a huge ? about him staying healthy.
    I don't disagree with your general summary but I strongly disagree about him not being in the "same league" as the others that were mentioned. I have my preferences but Greene is definitely in the same tier in my mind.

    I would love to get Brown in the second but his stock has sky rocketed since the end of the season.

    I'm not a Minter fan (I don't want a LBer who is a liability in coverage ... period) and I think the only difference between Ogletree and Greene is about two inches of height (and strength of opponents). They're basically the same player (both positives and negatives).

    Sio Moore is kind of the joker. I consider Greene more of a play maker than Moore but I think Moore has a better chance to transition to an MLB or SAM at some point. So pick your poison there.

    I'm hopeful we get some decent play out of Connor but I'm not holding my breath (he has yet to prove he's actually a full time starter). Same with Keith Rivers staying healthy.
    Last edited by Kruunch; 04-09-2013, 12:32 PM.
    I don't always root for the Cowboys but when I do I wear my pink Jessica Simpson edition Romo jersey. (yes I lost a bet)

    Comment


    • #17
      I don't believe we have to be that desperate to select a DE in the first. Ogletree MLB would appear to be the more "need" pick. Moore to me is the DE i believe is most likely to be a bust in the NFL. Ran a 4.95 supposedly too, ugk. If it's not werner, ansah or okafor then we go pass, and most likely ogletree, we were at his Pro Day, so he's probably in strong consideration. Brian Winters also under performed at the combine, i believe something like only 9 reps on the bench? Your best pick is Greene and he's not really a MLB. Wilson will most likely be gone by the fourth too. I think we go backwards with this draft lol.

      Comment


      • #18
        Originally posted by BlessedinBlue22 View Post
        I don't believe we have to be that desperate to select a DE in the first. Ogletree MLB would appear to be the more "need" pick. Moore to me is the DE i believe is most likely to be a bust in the NFL. Ran a 4.95 supposedly too, ugk. If it's not werner, ansah or okafor then we go pass, and most likely ogletree, we were at his Pro Day, so he's probably in strong consideration. Brian Winters also under performed at the combine, i believe something like only 9 reps on the bench? Wilson will most likely be gone by the fourth too. I think we go backwards with this draft lol.
        Wait ... going for a DE in the first is "desperate" but getting Ogletree in the first isn't (not to mention the unlikelihood of us drafting a LBer in the first)?

        Not to mention that Ogletree is a one trick pony... he'd be a turnstile as an MLB or SAM and we have tons of WILLs so why would we draft him? Especially when we get the exact same player a round later in Greene (a guy we've worked out I might add).

        And did you really just hold up a 40 time for a DE? Seriously?! If he's running 40 yards, it's a loss ... no matter how fast he is.

        Regarding Winters ... he stopped his bench at the Combine because of a pec strain ... not because he couldn't lift more than that (which I believe I addressed). He's considered a very strong OT/OG prospect (strength wise) ... just hasn't had a chance to prove it on the official stage (good for us if he drops due to that).

        I agree about Wilson ... wishful thinking
        I don't always root for the Cowboys but when I do I wear my pink Jessica Simpson edition Romo jersey. (yes I lost a bet)

        Comment


        • #19
          Originally posted by BlessedinBlue22 View Post
          I don't believe we have to be that desperate to select a DE in the first. Ogletree MLB would appear to be the more "need" pick. Moore to me is the DE i believe is most likely to be a bust in the NFL. Ran a 4.95 supposedly too, ugk. If it's not werner, ansah or okafor then we go pass, and most likely ogletree, we were at his Pro Day, so he's probably in strong consideration. Brian Winters also under performed at the combine, i believe something like only 9 reps on the bench? Your best pick is Greene and he's not really a MLB. Wilson will most likely be gone by the fourth too. I think we go backwards with this draft lol.
          We ARE desperate at DE.

          Comment


          • #20
            Originally posted by TCHOF View Post
            We ARE desperate at DE.
            Still have Tuck, Kiwi, JPP, Tracy and Ojomo. I Rather Okafor over Moore, Okafor can play run and pass rush. I believe we can find a DE in the later rounds like a Quanterus Smith or Devin Taylor. It's not the end of the world if we don't draft a DE in the first

            Comment


            • #21
              Originally posted by BlessedinBlue22 View Post
              Still have Tuck, Kiwi, JPP, Tracy and Ojomo. I Rather Okafor over Moore, Okafor can play run and pass rush. I believe we can find a DE in the later rounds like a Quanterus Smith or Devin Taylor. It's not the end of the world if we don't draft a DE in the first
              With regards to our DE situation ... Kiwi is situational and Tracy has barely cracked the rotation. Ojomo hasn't even dressed for a game.

              Considering the priority of the position over how we've historically treated the LBer position (especially the MIKE backer) I definitely we go for DE in the first over LBer. But yeah nothing is the end of the world, except the end of the world.

              With regards to Okafor vs. Moore I agree with you ... I prefer Okafor as well. I just see the Giants going for the guy who is being touted as the faster edge rusher.

              We'll see how it plays out.
              I don't always root for the Cowboys but when I do I wear my pink Jessica Simpson edition Romo jersey. (yes I lost a bet)

              Comment


              • #22
                Originally posted by Kruunch View Post
                With regards to our DE situation ... Kiwi is situational and Tracy has barely cracked the rotation. Ojomo hasn't even dressed for a game.

                Considering the priority of the position over how we've historically treated the LBer position (especially the MIKE backer) I definitely we go for DE in the first over LBer. But yeah nothing is the end of the world, except the end of the world.

                With regards to Okafor vs. Moore I agree with you ... I prefer Okafor as well. I just see the Giants going for the guy who is being touted as the faster edge rusher.

                We'll see how it plays out.
                While i agree with you that we cant be to reliant on him bc hes so inexperienced in the NFL, and i think a 1st round DE is the way the GMen go this year, they could have Ojomo on the CRUZ timeline. Looked great in Preseason then sat out a year (injury) and then take the NFL by storm. They could be utilizing the same type of surprise moe with him. He was a beast in the preseason, take it for what you will.

                I also do not think we go LB in the 1st, Reese build through DL and DBs over LB. LB ahs always been a secondary concern of his, and its worked so i trust him.

                I agree with both of you of Okafor more than Moore as well. it has baffled me how okafor fell from a mid first round to a 2nd rounder on so many boards without doing anything wrong. He hasn't under-performed, haven't heard anything bad about his interviews, has great tape and measurable but for some reason he has slipped. I feel like other DEs slipping has somehow pushed him down, which it shouldnt

                Comment


                • #23
                  Originally posted by Kruunch View Post
                  With regards to our DE situation ... Kiwi is situational and Tracy has barely cracked the rotation. <font size="5">Ojomo hasn't even dressed for a game.</font><br>
                  <br>
                  Considering the priority of the position over how we've historically treated the LBer position (especially the MIKE backer) I definitely we go for DE in the first over LBer. But yeah nothing is the end of the world, except the end of the world.<br>
                  <br>
                  With regards to Okafor vs. Moore I agree with you ... I prefer Okafor as well. I just see the Giants going for the guy who is being touted as the faster edge rusher.<br>
                  <br>
                  We'll see how it plays out.
                  <br><br>While i agree with you that we cant be to reliant on him bc hes so inexperienced in&nbsp;the&nbsp;NFL, and i think a 1st round DE is the way the GMen go this year, they could have Ojomo on the CRUZ timeline. Looked great in Preseason then sat out a year (injury) and then take the NFL by storm. They could be&nbsp;utilizing&nbsp;the same type of&nbsp;surprise&nbsp;move with him. He was a beast in the preseason, take it for what you will.<br><br>I also do not think we go LB in the 1st, Reese build through DL and DBs over LB. LB ahs always been a secondary concern of his, and its worked so i trust him.&nbsp;<br><br>I agree with both of you of Okafor more than Moore as well. it has baffled me how okafor fell from a mid first round to a 2nd rounder on so many boards without doing anything wrong. He hasn't&nbsp;under-performed,&nbsp;haven't&nbsp;heard anything bad about his interviews, has great tape and&nbsp;measurable&nbsp;but for some reason he has slipped. I feel like other DEs slipping has somehow pushed him down, which it shouldnt<br><br><br>

                  Comment


                  • #24
                    Originally posted by GiantPride13 View Post
                    I agree with both of you of Okafor more than Moore as well. it has baffled me how okafor fell from a mid first round to a 2nd rounder on so many boards without doing anything wrong. He hasn't under-performed, haven't heard anything bad about his interviews, has great tape and measurable but for some reason he has slipped. I feel like other DEs slipping has somehow pushed him down, which it shouldnt
                    Didn't workout at the Combine and had a mediocre Pro Day.

                    And he's now being projected as a mid to late second rounder (at least on CBS). Being able to grab Okafor in the second round would be amazing.

                    I think a lot of people are sleeping on him (but I've been known to be wrong about college players before ... *cough* Burfict)
                    I don't always root for the Cowboys but when I do I wear my pink Jessica Simpson edition Romo jersey. (yes I lost a bet)

                    Comment


                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Kruunch View Post
                      Why overvalued? My only concern with Greene is that he can't play another position past the WILL.

                      Otherwise, yeah I wouldn't mind going in that direction (except for the fact that our LBing woes will continue).
                      All the cr@p you gave me for wanting ogle in the 1st and now u have Greene in the 2nd? I realize its not the JR mentality to take a LBer in the first few rounds, but I hope that mindset goes down the toilet this year. Obviously u feel a little of the same way i do. Nice mock btw.
                      Last edited by TAILGATIN'; 04-09-2013, 05:09 PM.
                      2017 Draft Wishlist:
                      1. Christian McCaffrey RB Stanford
                      2. Raekwon McMillan ILB Ohio State
                      3. Roderick Johnson OT Florida State
                      4. Jordan Leggett TE Clemson
                      5. Ryan Glasgow DT Michegan
                      6. Chad Kelly QB Ole Miss
                      7. Billy Brown WR Shepherd

                      sigpic
                      "Behold, the tailgate party. The pinnacle of human achievement. Since the dawn of parking lots, man has sought to fill his gut with food and alcohol in anticipation of watching others exercise."
                      - Homer J. Simpson

                      Comment


                      • #26
                        Originally posted by TAILGATIN' View Post
                        All the cr@p you gave me for wanting ogle in the 1st and now u have Greene in the 2nd? I realize its not the JR mentality to take a LBer in the first few rounds, but I hope that mindset goes down the toilet this year. Obviously u feel a little of the same way i do. Nice mock btw.
                        I never gave you **** for picking Ogletree in the first ... I may have disagreed with you but I don't think it's a garbage pick and early on Ogletree was one of my first round choices as well (albeit the 4th choice).

                        I think you're misunderstanding my mock. This mock isn't about what *I* want. It's about what I think the Giants want.

                        And the Giants already worked out Khaseem Greene. This tells me that they're looking for ...

                        1) A LBer early (picks 1-3).
                        2) Speed over power

                        I believe that Brown, Greene and Sio Moore are on their radars. I'd love Brown ... I'd be ok with either Greene or Moore but I think those guys don't improve us enough over what we currently have compared to Brown who can play all three LBer spots.

                        I do feel the same way you (and many Giants fans feel) in that we need to desperately raise our level of LBer play.

                        However I don't think the Giants go with a LBer in the first ... I just don't see one that I think excites them that much.
                        I don't always root for the Cowboys but when I do I wear my pink Jessica Simpson edition Romo jersey. (yes I lost a bet)

                        Comment


                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Kruunch View Post
                          Didn't workout at the Combine and had a mediocre Pro Day.

                          And he's now being projected as a mid to late second rounder (at least on CBS). Being able to grab Okafor in the second round would be amazing.

                          I think a lot of people are sleeping on him (but I've been known to be wrong about college players before ... *cough* Burfict)
                          Ah ic never saw Texas Pro Day Results.

                          Comment


                          • #28
                            Originally posted by GiantPride13 View Post
                            Ah ic never saw Texas Pro Day Results.
                            Okafor doesn't have quite the explosion that Tuck had earlier in his career but I see him as being more consistent than Tuck.

                            The two speed rushers I've seen of note in this draft (who are specifically 4-3 DEs) are Tank Carradine and Damontre Moore. Carradine has the ACL issue and Moore just doesn't impress me as a speed rusher but I could see the appeal for the Giants.
                            I don't always root for the Cowboys but when I do I wear my pink Jessica Simpson edition Romo jersey. (yes I lost a bet)

                            Comment


                            • #29
                              Originally posted by BlessedinBlue22 View Post
                              Still have Tuck, Kiwi, JPP, Tracy and Ojomo. I Rather Okafor over Moore, Okafor can play run and pass rush. I believe we can find a DE in the later rounds like a Quanterus Smith or Devin Taylor. It's not the end of the world if we don't draft a DE in the first
                              Tuck is shot, and Tracey and Ojomo have shown nothing to indicate that they can be consistent and productive NFL starters. This is a very thin DE corps for a team whose entire defense depends on the pass rush.

                              Comment


                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Kruunch View Post
                                Okafor doesn't have quite the explosion that Tuck had earlier in his career but I see him as being more consistent than Tuck.

                                The two speed rushers I've seen of note in this draft (who are specifically 4-3 DEs) are Tank Carradine and Damontre Moore. Carradine has the ACL issue and Moore just doesn't impress me as a speed rusher but I could see the appeal for the Giants.
                                Not the biggest Moore fan but he was a top 5 pick before the combine so there is something there. I see him more of a 3-4 OLB than a 4-3 DE. Im sick of those tweener guys, not the giants Fit (KIWI being the exception)

                                Love Tank but not in the 1st. His ACL injury is a concern but these days its not that big of a deal. In the 2nd he would be a steal. is an athletic freak and a monster off the edge. especially is he is the #3-4 DE for the GMen he would be allowed time to heal and not aggravate his knee and learn behind some great DEs

                                Comment

                                Working...
                                X