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    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...-in-cap-space/

    Looks like they won't be making all those huge free agency pickups now.

    "


    Well, it wasnít just a rumor.</p>


    We explained an hour ago that there has been talk of the NFL taking action against teams that deliberately dumped salaries into the uncapped year of 2010.</p>


    The two primary violators were the Cowboys and Redskins, according to
    Adam Schefter of ESPN. Per Schefter, the league will punish the teams
    by removing millions in cap dollars.</p>


    How many millions? Schefter reports that the Cowboys will lose more than $10 million ó and that the Redskins will lose $36 million.
    (And now we know why the Redskins got the Griffin deal done last week;
    the Rams likely would have wanted even more for the second overall pick
    now.)</p>


    The teams can divide the cap losses between 2012 and 2013 in any portion they want. As of Sunday, the Redskins more than $30 million in cap space in 2012. The Cowboys had less than $5 million.</p>


    The money will be reallocated to the other teams, with every
    franchise except the Saints and Raiders picking up $1.6 million in extra
    cap space. (The Saints and Raiders presumably donít get the extra
    money as their own punishment for engaging in similar tactics in 2010.)</p>


    So, for the second time in 10 days, the NFL has acknowledged
    cheating. Though this isnít as serious as the Saintsí bounty system,
    itís still cheating. And the consequence demonstrates what the league
    thinks of it."</p>

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    That is great. On a side note, I just got banned from the Skins board for posting this on the topic of the cap issues.

    This is the best news I have heard all day. And to think I was worried that the Redskins were actually making smart moves. CHEATERS NEVER PROSPER!!!!
    HAHAHAHA

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    • #3
      Re: Cowboys and Redskins fined for cheating

      Just a thought what if the redskins lose the #2 overall pick due to the whole greg williams thing.. Wow Minn and the rams would be so happy and redskin nation would go into full panic attack.

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      • #4
        Re: Cowboys and Redskins fined for cheating

        Yeah. "Cheating"....

        "According to the sources, the deductions are not termed as violations,
        but are part of a recent agreement the NFL and the Players Association
        made to raise the salary cap number while preserving benefit increases
        and the performance pool"


        Also, the Cowboys could still have anywhere between 15-20 million in cap space this year, even with the cap hit.

        Feel bad for the skins fans though... sort of.


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        • #5
          Re: Cowboys and Redskins fined for cheating

          [quote user="Ntegrase96"]Yeah. "Cheating"....

          "According to the sources, the deductions are not termed as violations,
          but are part of a recent agreement the NFL and the Players Association
          made to raise the salary cap number while preserving benefit increases
          and the performance pool"


          Also, the Cowboys could still have anywhere between 15-20 million in cap space this year, even with the cap hit.

          Feel bad for the skins fans though... sort of.


          [/quote]
          Dont feel bad for us.


          Pukes fans.

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          • #6
            Re: Cowboys and Redskins fined for cheating

            Well, not cheating in traditional terms, but trying to "cheat" the cap system.

            This won't be any kind of scandal, just costly to both teams.

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            • #7
              Re: Cowboys and Redskins fined for cheating

              [quote user="Hail"][quote user="Ntegrase96"]Yeah. "Cheating"....

              "According to the sources, the deductions are not termed as violations,
              but are part of a recent agreement the NFL and the Players Association
              made to raise the salary cap number while preserving benefit increases
              and the performance pool"


              Also, the Cowboys could still have anywhere between 15-20 million in cap space this year, even with the cap hit.

              Feel bad for the skins fans though... sort of.


              [/quote]
              Dont feel bad for us.


              Pukes fans.[/quote]

              What I really meant was that I envy (ha!) the fact that you gave up two future number 1 picks, and a 2nd round pick for a guy who hasn't taken a single snap in the NFL because your front office (who are outstanding, btw) have good feeling about him. But hey, who needs draft picks when you have a lot of cap space...


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              • #8
                Re: Cowboys and Redskins fined for cheating

                [quote user="FeaglesPuntsEaglesRunts"]Well, not cheating in traditional terms, but trying to "cheat" the cap system.

                This won't be any kind of scandal, just costly to both teams.
                [/quote]

                I understand the implication. But the fact is, there's nothing different in what the Cowboys and Redskins did to restructure contracts in an uncapped year than what several other teams did to save money in the same year. If not, the NFL wouldn't have allowed the Cowboys to restructure Miles Austin's contract like they did (they have to approve before the contract takes effect).

                The uncapped part of the paragraph above implies that ALL teams were allowed to do what we and our NFCE counterparts did. They just didn't, most likely because they couldn't. And now they're crying foul because they felt that the Cowboys and Redskins gained an unfair advantage. An advantage they gained, but how unfair it was shouldn't be a topic of debate. Both the Redskins and Cowboys played by the rules that year.




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                • #9
                  Re: Cowboys and Redskins fined for cheating

                  This wasn't cheating. It was a backroom agreement/missive that actually amounts to collusion. However, it doesn't change the fact that tehy should have known better, but it didn't violate any law, rule, or regulation on the books.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Cowboys and Redskins fined for cheating



                    [quote user="Ntegrase96"]Yeah. "Cheating"....

                    "According to the sources, the deductions are not termed as violations, but are part of a recent agreement the NFL and the Players Association made to raise the salary cap number while preserving benefit increases and the performance pool"

                    Also, the Cowboys could still have anywhere between 15-20 million in cap space this year, even with the cap hit.

                    Feel bad for the skins fans though... sort of.


                    [/quote]</P>


                    This would put the Boys over the cap, with Spencer signing his franchise tender. I think that cap number you have reflects some moves that you guys are expected to make, but haven't yet.</P>

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                    • #11
                      Re: Cowboys and Redskins fined for cheating

                      [quote user="Ntegrase96"][quote user="FeaglesPuntsEaglesRunts"]Well, not cheating in traditional terms, but trying to "cheat" the cap system.

                      This won't be any kind of scandal, just costly to both teams.
                      [/quote]

                      I understand the implication. But the fact is, there's nothing different in what the Cowboys and Redskins did to restructure contracts in an uncapped year than what several other teams did to save money in the same year. If not, the NFL wouldn't have allowed the Cowboys to restructure Miles Austin's contract like they did (they have to approve before the contract takes effect).

                      The uncapped part of the paragraph above implies that ALL teams were allowed to do what we and our NFCE counterparts did. They just didn't, most likely because they couldn't. And now they're crying foul because they felt that the Cowboys and Redskins gained an unfair advantage. An advantage they gained, but how unfair it was shouldn't be a topic of debate. Both the Redskins and Cowboys played by the rules that year.




                      [/quote]

                      If they played by the rules, then why is NFL taking tens of millions of dollars from them and reallocating said funds to the other 30 teams?

                      Seems like a penalty for some kind of rules violation to me, no matter how you spin it.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Cowboys and Redskins fined for cheating

                        As much as I like to see Jerry Jones and Dan Snyder punished as much as possible, this whole thing just seems unfair to the Cowboys and Redskins.

                        Goodell is just making up rules as he goes along to make the other owners happy. The rest of the league is just upset that they didn't think to do this.

                        The fact of the matter is that these contracts and extensions were approved by the league at the time and should remain approved under the new rules. They should be "Grandfathered" in.

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                        • #13
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                          [quote user="gmen46"][quote user="Ntegrase96"][quote user="FeaglesPuntsEaglesRunts"]Well, not cheating in traditional terms, but trying to "cheat" the cap system.

                          This won't be any kind of scandal, just costly to both teams.
                          [/quote]

                          I understand the implication. But the fact is, there's nothing different in what the Cowboys and Redskins did to restructure contracts in an uncapped year than what several other teams did to save money in the same year. If not, the NFL wouldn't have allowed the Cowboys to restructure Miles Austin's contract like they did (they have to approve before the contract takes effect).

                          The uncapped part of the paragraph above implies that ALL teams were allowed to do what we and our NFCE counterparts did. They just didn't, most likely because they couldn't. And now they're crying foul because they felt that the Cowboys and Redskins gained an unfair advantage. An advantage they gained, but how unfair it was shouldn't be a topic of debate. Both the Redskins and Cowboys played by the rules that year.




                          [/quote] If they played by the rules, then why is NFL taking tens of millions of dollars from them and reallocating said funds to the other 30 teams? Seems like a penalty for some kind of rules violation to me, no matter how you spin it.[/quote]</P>


                          All there was wasa backroom agreement among the owners to not do what the Cowboys and Redskins did. Essentially, it was collusion among the owners to keep salaries down during the uncapped year. Reportedly, the NFL FO sent memo's informing clubs to not structure contracts that way, but there is no realbasis in any actual rule or law of the NFL for them to make that issuance. </P>


                          Still, as I previously stated, they still should have known better.</P>

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                          • #14
                            Re: Cowboys and Redskins fined for cheating

                            I heard about this maneuver last year but I thought it was the eagles loading up last year. Anyone remember that??
                            No one remembers who came in second.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Cowboys and Redskins fined for cheating

                              [quote user="Ntegrase96"][quote user="Hail"][quote user="Ntegrase96"]Yeah. "Cheating"....

                              "According to the sources, the deductions are not termed as violations,
                              but are part of a recent agreement the NFL and the Players Association
                              made to raise the salary cap number while preserving benefit increases
                              and the performance pool"


                              Also, the Cowboys could still have anywhere between 15-20 million in cap space this year, even with the cap hit.

                              Feel bad for the skins fans though... sort of.


                              [/quote]
                              Dont feel bad for us.


                              Pukes fans.[/quote]

                              What I really meant was that I envy (ha!) the fact that you gave up two future number 1 picks, and a 2nd round pick for a guy who hasn't taken a single snap in the NFL because your front office (who are outstanding, btw) have good feeling about him. But hey, who needs draft picks when you have a lot of cap space...


                              [/quote]

                              I hate the Cowpukes.

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