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  • #61
    Re: Is Ben Roethlisberger An Elite Quarterback ?

    [quote user="scoopscj"]I don't ever get caught up in the whole, 'QB rankings thing' but I'd still like to add my 2 cents on Romo.

    There is one quality that has always bugged me about him. He wants to be a star, the center of attention and he doesn't hate losing as much as he enjoys winning.

    Let me try to explain that last part. If Eli, Rogers, Aikmen, Marino, Elway, Peyton, Young, Stabauch, etc miss a very important pass, they don't go to the sidelines smiling.

    You go back and watch the 2007 NFC divisional round and there were times when Romo missed passes and he is laughing, smiling even. Like, 'Hey, it's no big deal." He also was smiling when he must missed Miles Austin on the now famous, "caught in the lights 3rd down pass play' that could have ended the Giant's season. Romo loves winning but he doesn't hate losing.

    Eli and the rest of the QB's I mentioned hate losing. HATE IT. You want to be successful in the NFL you have to hate losing.


    Scoops


    My 2 cents anyway.
    [/quote]

    I don't know about that. As someone that lives in DFW and hears all the interviews with Cowboys quarterbacks past and present, I can tell you that all of them absolutely dread the week after a loss. I don't think Romo is any exception.

    But I mean, you have a point. You don't see him angry often and that can be interpreted as Romo not being bothered by losing. I can see how that annoys people. But as far as body language goes, I don't really see much of a difference between Eli and Romo.

    I don't recall Romo smiling after Austin didn't catch the ball, but I wouldn't doubt that there were times that Romo had a smile on his face during the divisional game in 2007. But two things about that.

    1. There are times when Romo smiling means the opposite of what it looks like. And as a fan of the Cowboys it's a very noticeable difference from when he's having fun and when he's frustrated.

    and 2. That was 2007. Over 4 years ago and the first full year in which Romo was the starter. This also applies to the 'he wants to be a star' aspect-- the man is married now and just had a baby boy. The days of Jessica Simpson and making appearances at the Country Music Awards have been over for a while now.

    I'd say overall your description of Romo would be fair if this were early 2008, but I just don't see these traits anymore. That's not to say that Romo has risen above all his criticisms, but he's certainly taken steps toward it.

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    • #62
      Re: Is Ben Roethlisberger An Elite Quarterback ?

      The only real criticism against Romol is that he is not clutch. He performs other times.

      It will be interesting to see if he shakes it and shows up in big moments over the next couple seasons.

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      • #63
        Re: Is Ben Roethlisberger An Elite Quarterback ?

        1 - Eli Manning - Only QB with 2 SBs, SB winning Drives, SB MVPS in the last 4 years...And this year he carried most of the team.
        2 - Peyton (can argue 2 and 3)
        3- Brady if he can still play near his level
        4 - Rodgers (you can switch 4-5 if u want)
        5 - Breez
        6 - Roethlisberger
        7 - Romo, Schaub, Stafford, Cutler, Cam, Ryan...
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        • #64
          Re: Is Ben Roethlisberger An Elite Quarterback ?

          1. Breese
          2, Brady
          3. Rogers
          4. Ben
          5. Peyton
          6. Eli

          Ben does more with less, Better over all stats than Eli. Beat an elite Colts team with Peyton in their house during 2005 playoffs.

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          • #65
            Re: Is Ben Roethlisberger An Elite Quarterback ?

            [quote user="Bumm"]1. Breese
            2, Brady
            3. Rogers
            4. Ben
            5. Peyton
            6. Eli

            Ben does more with less, Better over all stats than Eli. Beat an elite Colts team with Peyton in their house during 2005 playoffs.[/quote]

            And Eli beat an elite Packers team in their house in the playoffs.....TWICE.

            Also San Francisco and Dallas were elite in their respective years.

            Ben has an elite defense while ours is great but not elite. Plus he's had Hines Ward, Santonio Holmes, Mike wallace, Heath Miller, etc.

            And the fact that you even have Ben over Peyton is laughable.

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            • #66
              Re: Is Ben Roethlisberger An Elite Quarterback ?

              [quote user="TheBookOfEli"][quote user="Bumm"]1. Breese
              2, Brady
              3. Rogers
              4. Ben
              5. Peyton
              6. Eli

              Ben does more with less, Better over all stats than Eli. Beat an elite Colts team with Peyton in their house during 2005 playoffs.[/quote]

              And Eli beat an elite Packers team in their house in the playoffs.....TWICE.

              Also San Francisco and Dallas were elite in their respective years.

              Ben has an elite defense while ours is great but not elite. Plus he's had Hines Ward, Santonio Holmes, Mike wallace, Heath Miller, etc.

              And the fact that you even have Ben over Peyton is laughable.[/quote]

              LOL, Ben makes his receivers great, what has Holmes done in NY? WR Antonio Brown a # 5 draft choice putting up nice numbers thanks to Ben. And yes, Ben over 2012 Peyton who may not even have full arm strength. And Eli played behind a better O'line. Watch what Ben does now with DeCastro and a healthy Pouncey on the interior line.

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              • #67
                Re: Is Ben Roethlisberger An Elite Quarterback ?

                Yeah, if you want to take Rib-eye over Filetminon

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                • #68
                  Re: Is Ben Roethlisberger An Elite Quarterback ?

                  [quote user="Bumm"]1. Breese
                  2, Brady
                  3. Rogers
                  4. Ben
                  5. Peyton
                  6. Eli

                  Ben does more with less, Better over all stats than Eli. Beat an elite Colts team with Peyton in their house during 2005 playoffs.[/quote]

                  Ben did less with more you mean. They had the number 1 defense and number 1 rushing attack in 2005. His best play that game was tackling Nick Harper.

                  Ben is top ten because he manages to win games with a garbage OL. He has never carried that team.

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                  • #69
                    Re: Is Ben Roethlisberger An Elite Quarterback ?

                    [quote user="Bumm"][quote user="TheBookOfEli"][quote user="Bumm"]1. Breese
                    2, Brady
                    3. Rogers
                    4. Ben
                    5. Peyton
                    6. Eli

                    Ben does more with less, Better over all stats than Eli. Beat an elite Colts team with Peyton in their house during 2005 playoffs.[/quote]

                    And Eli beat an elite Packers team in their house in the playoffs.....TWICE.

                    Also San Francisco and Dallas were elite in their respective years.

                    Ben has an elite defense while ours is great but not elite. Plus he's had Hines Ward, Santonio Holmes, Mike wallace, Heath Miller, etc.

                    And the fact that you even have Ben over Peyton is laughable.[/quote]

                    LOL, Ben makes his receivers great, what has Holmes done in NY? WR Antonio Brown a # 5 draft choice putting up nice numbers thanks to Ben. And yes, Ben over 2012 Peyton who may not even have full arm strength. And Eli played behind a better O'line. Watch what Ben does now with DeCastro and a healthy Pouncey on the interior line.[/quote]
                    You're on ****ing crack.

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                    • #70
                      Re: Is Ben Roethlisberger An Elite Quarterback ?

                      [quote user="BlueBlooded1979"][quote user="Bumm"]1. Breese
                      2, Brady
                      3. Rogers
                      4. Ben
                      5. Peyton
                      6. Eli

                      Ben does more with less, Better over all stats than Eli. Beat an elite Colts team with Peyton in their house during 2005 playoffs.[/quote]

                      Ben did less with more you mean. They had the number 1 defense and number 1 rushing attack in 2005. His best play that game was tackling Nick Harper.

                      Ben is top ten because he manages to win games with a garbage OL. He has never carried that team.[/quote]
                      I believe Ben has never made the playoffs if his defense is ranked under 5th in yards and/or points allowed.

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                      • #71
                        Re: Is Ben Roethlisberger An Elite Quarterback ?

                        [quote user="Ntegrase96"][quote user="scoopscj"]I don't ever get caught up in the whole, 'QB rankings thing' but I'd still like to add my 2 cents on Romo.

                        There is one quality that has always bugged me about him.* He wants to be a star, the center of attention and he doesn't hate losing as much as he enjoys winning.*

                        Let me try to explain that last part.* If Eli, Rogers, Aikmen, Marino, Elway, Peyton, Young, Stabauch, etc miss a very important pass, they don't go to the sidelines smiling.*

                        You go back and watch the 2007 NFC divisional round and there were times when Romo missed passes and he is laughing, smiling even.* Like, 'Hey, it's no big deal."* He also was smiling when he must missed Miles Austin on the now famous, "caught in the lights 3rd down pass play' that could have ended the Giant's season.*** Romo loves winning but he doesn't hate losing.*

                        Eli and the rest of the QB's I mentioned hate losing.* HATE IT.* You want to be successful in the NFL you have to hate losing.*


                        Scoops


                        My 2 cents anyway.
                        [/quote]

                        I don't know about that. As someone that lives in DFW and hears all the interviews with Cowboys quarterbacks past and present, I can tell you that all of them absolutely dread the week after a loss. I don't think Romo is any exception.

                        But I mean, you have a point. You don't see him angry often and that can be interpreted as Romo not being bothered by losing. I can see how that annoys people. But as far as body language goes, I don't really see much of a difference between Eli and Romo.

                        I don't recall Romo smiling after Austin didn't catch the ball, but I wouldn't doubt that there were times that Romo had a smile on his face during the divisional game in 2007. But two things about that.

                        1. There are times when Romo smiling means the opposite of what it looks like. And as a fan of the Cowboys it's a very noticeable difference from when he's having fun and when he's frustrated.

                        and 2. That was 2007. Over 4 years ago and the first full year in which Romo was the starter. This also applies to the 'he wants to be a star' aspect-- the man is married now and just had a baby boy. The days of Jessica Simpson and making appearances at the Country Music Awards have been over for a while now.

                        I'd say overall your description of Romo would be fair if this were early 2008, but I just don't see these traits anymore. That's not to say that Romo has risen above all his criticisms, but he's certainly taken steps toward it.
                        [/quote]
                        Romo is a poor man's Danny White. He puts up great numbers but finds a way to miraculously lose the game. I have never seen anything like it. Cowboys fans constantly throw statistics at me. I always say Romo is the only QB I know that can throw 80% and have 400 yards and 3 TD's, and somehow his defense messes up. He has the ball in his hand for the final drive and he will make a critical mistake, whether it be int, fumble, throwing the ball beyond the line of scrimmage, running out of bounds too short of a first down, bobbling a snap on a sure field goal, what have you. You name me all the ways a QB can lose a game and Romo has done it. He is the anti-clutch. Romo can win, but he finds a way to lose when it matters. It's funny to watch as a Giants fan, but at the same time it is a big head scratcher. I don't even hate Romo anymore. I feel kind of bad for him. I'd probably cheer for him to win something if he played for a team that wasn't in the NFC East or the Jets. It's amazing the stupid stuff he does in crunch time.

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                        • #72
                          Re: Is Ben Roethlisberger An Elite Quarterback ?

                          I'd say maybe... He's been blessed with fantastic recievers and oline play in the past. He's also strong as a bull, however he has choked significantly in big games (stats wise) but Elite? You can make a case either or.
                          They said Brady and the Patriots couldn't be beat, Eli did it twice, how's that for Elite?

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                          • #73
                            Re: Is Ben Roethlisberger An Elite Quarterback ?

                            [quote user="Drez"][quote user="BlueBlooded1979"][quote user="Bumm"]1. Breese
                            2, Brady
                            3. Rogers
                            4. Ben
                            5. Peyton
                            6. Eli

                            Ben does more with less, Better over all stats than Eli. Beat an elite Colts team with Peyton in their house during 2005 playoffs.[/quote]

                            Ben did less with more you mean. They had the number 1 defense and number 1 rushing attack in 2005. His best play that game was tackling Nick Harper.

                            Ben is top ten because he manages to win games with a garbage OL. He has never carried that team.[/quote]
                            I believe Ben has never made the playoffs if his defense is ranked under 5th in yards and/or points allowed.
                            [/quote]

                            Ben also plays in Baltimore's division. Eli in the NFC East has had an easier path to the playoffs.

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                            • #74
                              Re: Is Ben Roethlisberger An Elite Quarterback ?

                              [quote user="Bumm"][quote user="Drez"][quote user="BlueBlooded1979"][quote user="Bumm"]1. Breese
                              2, Brady
                              3. Rogers
                              4. Ben
                              5. Peyton
                              6. Eli

                              Ben does more with less, Better over all stats than Eli. Beat an elite Colts team with Peyton in their house during 2005 playoffs.[/quote]

                              Ben did less with more you mean. They had the number 1 defense and number 1 rushing attack in 2005. His best play that game was tackling Nick Harper.

                              Ben is top ten because he manages to win games with a garbage OL. He has never carried that team.[/quote]
                              I believe Ben has never made the playoffs if his defense is ranked under 5th in yards and/or points allowed.
                              [/quote]

                              Ben also plays in Baltimore's division. Eli in the NFC East has had an easier path to the playoffs.[/quote]
                              I don't understand why people say the NFC East is an easy division. Year in and year out people hype up the Eagles and the Cowboys. Then the Giants emerge. IMO, The NFC North, AFC North, and the NFC East are the best three divisions in football. The wildcards almost always come out of those divisions.

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                              • #75
                                Re: Is Ben Roethlisberger An Elite Quarterback ?

                                i like big ben..out of the 3 from '04 eli is best suited to play in ny..ben too much nightlife and rivers is a hot head..san diego would have been better off with ben at the helm instead of rivers..gmen liked ben better too

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