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  • Cruz 2011 or Austin 2009?

    Kind of boring around here so I thought I'd start a fun debate.

    Victor Cruz had 82 catches, 1,532 yards, 9 touchdowns in 2011

    Miles Austin had 81 catches, 1,320 yards, and 11 touchdowns in 2009

    Both were Rookie Free Agents if I'm not mistaken, so that's why there is the comparison.

    A quick glance at the numbers is in favor of Cruz, but who do you think was better in their respective year.

    Also, do you think Cruz will replicate his success in future seasons?

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    Re: Cruz 2011 or Austin 2009?

    How many games did Miles Austin play in? I feel like that year it was a lot of big games in the second half if I remember correctly. I know Cruz basically didn't do anything the first 3 games this year before he went off.

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    • #3
      Re: Cruz 2011 or Austin 2009?

      Just checked. Miles Austin didn't really do anything the first 4 games that year either. Then he went off with the big 250 yard game

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      • #4
        Re: Cruz 2011 or Austin 2009?

        Right.

        Both players came on a little late because they were down in the depth chart. Cruz burst on to the scene against Philly which I think was week 3, while Austin had a pretty decent showing in the first game against Tampa, but didn't start until Kansas City which was week 4.

        Both players had big game winning catches late in games to help secure the division.

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        • #5
          Re: Cruz 2011 or Austin 2009?

          Not sure about when Austin made his big plays but Cruz was huge against Philly and Dallas which has to count for a lot.

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          • #6
            Re: Cruz 2011 or Austin 2009?

            [quote user="Roswell777"]Not sure about when Austin made his big plays but Cruz was huge against Philly and Dallas which has to count for a lot.[/quote]

            Austin's highlights

            October/Kansas City: 250 yard game with a game tying touchdown and game winning touchdown in overtime. Most reception yards in Cowboys history for a single game. e

            Novermber: 49 yard game winning touchdown against Philadelphia with 8 minutes left in the fourth quarter to take the division early, Only catch of the game.

            December: New Orleans-- 7 catches 139 yards, 1 touchdown.
            Biggest play: Late in the forth quarter when the Cowboys lead diminished to only a touchdown after being up 24-3, 3rd and 7 from our own 23, Miles Austin had a 32 yard catch on a slant pass. Helped remove time from the clock to secure the win.

            Philadelphia late: 14 catches, 172 yards, 1 touchdown to help the Cowboys smack Philadelphia in the final game of the season and to win the wild card round the very next week

            I'm sure there were more, but I can't think of anything bigger than that at the moment.

            I'm only a little familiar with Cruz resume from last year. Big game against Philly early, big performance against NYJ. And the one negative where he tipped an interception into the hands of a seattle defender to essentially end the game. But monster stats and huge, huge impact for the giants. Possibly the most important player outside of JPP.

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            • #7
              Re: Cruz 2011 or Austin 2009?

              [quote user="Ntegrase96"]Kind of boring around here so I thought I'd start a fun debate.

              Victor Cruz had 82 catches, 1,532 yards, 9 touchdowns in 2011

              Miles Austin had 81 catches, 1,320 yards, and 11 touchdowns in 2009

              Both were Rookie Free Agents if I'm not mistaken, so that's why there is the comparison.

              A quick glance at the numbers is in favor of Cruz, but who do you think was better in their respective year.

              Also, do you think Cruz will replicate his success in future seasons?

              Go!
              [/quote]

              I'd say that Austin's 09 season and Cruz' 11 season were very close in terms of impact upon their respective teams as well as their real close stats.

              However, Cruz exploded on the scene for the Giants in virtually his first year in the league (he went on IR after week 3 of his rookie year, after being on the field in only 1 or 2 plays, total), whereas Austin did not until his fourth year. That immediate impact makes Cruz' 2011 accomplishments more impressively exceed Austin's 09 season, in my opinion.

              Cruz had no rookie season, and no off season in 2011, to perfect his play before being unexpectedly thrust into the role of slot receiver after we lost Smith--one of the best slot receivers in the league until he went down mid-season of 2010-- the month prior to season opener.

              Cruz not only "adequately" filled the position no one in the organization, as the season began, believed could be adequately filled, he went on to set the franchise record--86 years in the NFL-- for receiving yards.

              Miles had 3 full seasons and 3 complete off seasons to perfect his play. Plus, he hasn't matched his 09 season in the 2 seasons since.

              Also Cruz' TD celebration dance caught fire. What is Austin's celebration................I can't recall.....................?

              And, yes, I absolutely believe Cruz will continue his success--certainly for as long as he has Eli as his QB, at the very least.

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              • #8
                Re: Cruz 2011 or Austin 2009?

                True. I remember watching Cruz in the preseason of 2010 and thinking he was a pretty good find. Didn't know that he got injured.

                Austin took more time to develop and relies much more on tact than Cruz who seems to have more moxie.

                Which kind of goes hand and hand with why he wasn't a big factor before 2009. I mean, the guy was behind Terrell Owens, Terry Glenn, and reliable Patrick Crayton, and was much more of a project receiver-- like I said, he relies on what he's learned rather than what he possessed already. Austin, too suffered a lower leg injury in the presason of 2008, when he looked like he was becoming a monster.

                I like Austin because he's a good story and a Cowboy, so I'll stick up for him a little with 'reproducing his 2009 season'--

                Miles Austin's game relies on Tony Romo. Their timing and rapport is what makes Austin dangerous. And in 2010, Austin had 3 140+ yard games before Romo went down for the season in the 6th game of the season. In 2011, Austin had injury problems, but had a strong showing early against two great defensive teams in NYJ and SF. (233 yards and 4 TDs)... then the hamstring issues started late against San Fran in week 2.

                I really don't doubt that Austin can replicate his 2009 season. He and Romo just need to be healthy to do it.

                And as far as the dancing goes, Austin's almost dunk, and circle around the FG post was much better than anything Cruz has ever done... not really, but that's all I got.

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                • #9
                  Re: Cruz 2011 or Austin 2009?

                  Miles Austin's stats in 2009 were a bit padded while playing against Sheridan's failure defense... twice...

                  Victor Cruz by a long shot....

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                  • #10
                    Re: Cruz 2011 or Austin 2009?

                    [quote user="NYGRealityCheck"]Miles Austin's stats in 2009 were a bit padded while playing against Sheridan's failure defense... twice...

                    Victor Cruz by a long shot....[/quote]


                    hahahaha. Couldn't we say the same about Cruz versus the cowboys porous defense last year?


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                    • #11
                      Re: Cruz 2011 or Austin 2009?

                      [quote user="Ntegrase96"]True. I remember watching Cruz in the preseason of 2010 and thinking he was a pretty good find. Didn't know that he got injured.

                      Austin took more time to develop and relies much more on tact than Cruz who seems to have more moxie.

                      Which kind of goes hand and hand with why he wasn't a big factor before 2009. I mean, the guy was behind Terrell Owens, Terry Glenn, and reliable Patrick Crayton, and was much more of a project receiver-- like I said, he relies on what he's learned rather than what he possessed already. Austin, too suffered a lower leg injury in the presason of 2008, when he looked like he was becoming a monster.

                      I like Austin because he's a good story and a Cowboy, so I'll stick up for him a little with 'reproducing his 2009 season'--

                      Miles Austin's game relies on Tony Romo. Their timing and rapport is what makes Austin dangerous. And in 2010, Austin had 3 140+ yard games before Romo went down for the season in the 6th game of the season. In 2011, Austin had injury problems, but had a strong showing early against two great defensive teams in NYJ and SF. (233 yards and 4 TDs)... then the hamstring issues started late against San Fran in week 2.

                      I really don't doubt that Austin can replicate his 2009 season. He and Romo just need to be healthy to do it.

                      And as far as the dancing goes, Austin's almost dunk, and circle around the FG post was much better than anything Cruz has ever done... not really, but that's all I got.[/quote]

                      Don't get me wrong. I think Miles is a very dangerous receiver. (I fear him more than Dez, truth be told).

                      But your question concerned comparing a different season for each player, and I believe Cruz comes out a bit ahead. We'll see how their careers pan out. Two very good-to-great receivers, in a wide receiver-rich division.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Cruz 2011 or Austin 2009?

                        [quote user="Ntegrase96"]Kind of boring around here so I thought I'd start a fun debate.

                        Victor Cruz had 82 catches, 1,532 yards, 9 touchdowns in 2011

                        Miles Austin had 81 catches, 1,320 yards, and 11 touchdowns in 2009

                        Both were Rookie Free Agents if I'm not mistaken, so that's why there is the comparison.

                        A quick glance at the numbers is in favor of Cruz, but who do you think was better in their respective year.

                        Also, do you think Cruz will replicate his success in future seasons?

                        Go!
                        [/quote] I actually think Cruz is gonna do better this yr.. Hes now going into the season as a starter, and has a defined role, and a good heap of expierence with Eli and the team.. I think Cruz gets 100catches this yr.. 100recept 1500yr 10td...

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                        • #13
                          Re: Cruz 2011 or Austin 2009?

                          I remember being jealous that a local undrafted prospect turns out that way for A-Rod, I mean Miles. Worse that it's for Dallas. We got it back in spades with Cruz.

                          But I'll say what I've said since Cruz's freakish preseason game in 2010 -- there's something in him that just can't be coached or taught... He's got flypaper hands, a supernatural sense of the ball in space, and an "it" factor that can't be accounted for. It's not just a comparison against Austin, it's a comparison against anybody.

                          Non-fans probably saw more of him later in the season and the playoffs, and you could see him being progressively coached up as the season progressed; but I'm talking about things like the first Philly game (making the two defenders run into each other, and snatching a TD in double coverage) or the Jets game (that 99 yard TD in double coverage), the volleyball catch against Seattle. You just can't account for that, that's the "it" factor I'm talking about. An ability to elude and make defenders miss... Barry Sanders is the only comparison I can draw.

                          As you can tell I'm a big fan.

                          Like JPP, he's a guy who is big on raw talent who is just learning to play the game at the NFL level. I'm sure time and injuries over the years will slow him down, and we'll see more "textbook" play and less of the supernatural... But I think the two of them will have careers that parallel each other and us Giants fans are in store for a few more years of unexplainable plays.

                          Remind me if Austin made any plays like this, Cruz made about 6-10:




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                          • #14
                            Re: Cruz 2011 or Austin 2009?

                            Cruz pretty much was the offense for the Jets game, so I think I give it to him

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                            • #15
                              Re: Cruz 2011 or Austin 2009?

                              Cruz's 99 harder against the Jets started the Giants run to the SB. I do not remember the Cowboys winning a single playoff game in Austin's year. Case closed it is Cruzzzz!

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