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  • #31
    Originally posted by Eliscruzzz View Post
    really... they folded what the last 4 years when the competition heats up.
    They lost 2 very close SuperBowls over the last 5 years, hardly folding. They got blown out by Baltimore Ravens in playoffs a few years ago and beside that, there is not much anyone can really say about Tom Brady. The guy has had maybe 5 bad games in the last 5 years. Heck, Eli had more than 5 bad games this past season alone.

    Tom Brady in my opinion, is The Greatest QB of all time. Joe Montana and Bart Starr are the only other 2 that I think should even be in the conversation. Granted, Terry Bradshaw was 4-0 in SuperBowls but he wasn't the QB that Tom Brady is. Peyton Manning is awesome in the regular season but the postseason is what separates he and Tom.

    I think the entire SpyGate hoopla is way overblown. The very fact that NE Patriots went 16-0 during 2007 regular season and have been back to SuperBowl 2 times since SpyGate, proves it didn't really help them that much.

    I think Tom Brady will play for 4-5 more years and probably win another SuperBowl or 2.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by BuffyBlueII View Post
      They lost 2 very close SuperBowls over the last 5 years, hardly folding. They got blown out by Baltimore Ravens in playoffs a few years ago and beside that, there is not much anyone can really say about Tom Brady. The guy has had maybe 5 bad games in the last 5 years. Heck, Eli had more than 5 bad games this past season alone.

      Tom Brady in my opinion, is The Greatest QB of all time. Joe Montana and Bart Starr are the only other 2 that I think should even be in the conversation. Granted, Terry Bradshaw was 4-0 in SuperBowls but he wasn't the QB that Tom Brady is. Peyton Manning is awesome in the regular season but the postseason is what separates he and Tom.

      I think the entire SpyGate hoopla is way overblown. The very fact that NE Patriots went 16-0 during 2007 regular season and have been back to SuperBowl 2 times since SpyGate, proves it didn't really help them that much.

      I think Tom Brady will play for 4-5 more years and probably win another SuperBowl or 2.
      Bart Starr, are you kidding? Top 10 maybe but definitely not in the Top 5.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by TroyArcher View Post
        Bart Starr, are you kidding? Top 10 maybe but definitely not in the Top 5.
        You have to be kidding if you don’t rate Bart Starr up there near the top. The guy won 5 NFL Championships and is the second highest post season passer ever. The guy was a pure winner.
        Last edited by BuffyBlueII; 01-18-2013, 02:30 PM.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by BuffyBlueII View Post
          You have to be kidding if you don’t rate Bart Starr up there near the top. The guy won 5 NFL Championships and is the second highest post season passer ever. The guy was a pure winner.
          He played on a team with a dominant running team with a great defense. Go check the stats and get back to me. Unitas, Brady, Montana, Elway, Manning, Marino just to name 6.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by TroyArcher View Post
            He played on a team with a dominant running team with a great defense. Go check the stats and get back to me. Unitas, Brady, Montana, Elway, Manning, Marino just to name 6.
            I know the statistics.

            Bart Starr had ice water in his veins in the post season and he led his team to more NFL Championships than any other QB.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by BuffyBlueII View Post
              I know the statistics. Bart Starr had ice water in his veins in the post season and he led his team to more NFL Championships than any other QB.
              championships that were 50 times easier to win than SBs. You really gonna say the packers have 13 Super Bowls? They count but they're more a quarter of a Sb.

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              • #37
                I love how people use (Brady plays in bad division) argument. And Montana didn't? He played the saints and cards. At least the jets and dolphins were sometimes good. Montana's division was never good.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by GentleGiant View Post
                  championships that were 50 times easier to win than SBs. You really gonna say the packers have 13 Super Bowls? They count but they're more a quarter of a Sb.
                  They were still the top Championship at the time. Some would argue they are easier to win now.

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                  • #39
                    hard to argue the comparison,,,as much as i hate brady he is the teets.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by GentleGiant View Post
                      championships that were 50 times easier to win than SBs. You really gonna say the packers have 13 Super Bowls? They count but they're more a quarter of a Sb.
                      Really, 50 times easier? You didn't have 1/3 of the league making the playoffs back then, and no neutral site warm weather carpeted dome BS. Just two teams even qualified -- and an extra round in the late 60s as they moved towards the Super Bowl.

                      In today's championships you've got more rounds to survive but you also have a much greater chance of getting into the tournament and the championship itself is played in air conditioned comfort not in the harsh cold elements with a frozen field.

                      Are you a Yankee fan by some chance? You know it was the same way in baseball (one team in each league won the Pennant and they played in the WS, there was no LCS) until 1969, right? So all those World Series before 1977 only count for a quarter of a World Series, right?
                      Last edited by SweetZombieJesus; 01-19-2013, 11:47 AM.
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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by BuffyBlueII View Post
                        I know the statistics. Bart Starr had ice water in his veins in the post season and he led his team to more NFL Championships than any other QB.
                        Originally posted by SweetZombieJesus View Post
                        Really, 50 times easier? You didn't have 1/3 of the league making the playoffs back then, and no neutral site warm weather carpeted dome BS. Just two teams even qualified -- and an extra round in the late 60s as they moved towards the Super Bowl.In today's championships you've got more rounds to survive but you also have a much greater chance of getting into the tournament and the championship itself is played in air conditioned comfort not in the harsh cold elements with a frozen field.Are you a Yankee fan by some chance? You know it was the same way in baseball (one team in each league won the Pennant and they played in the WS, there was no LCS) until 1969, right? So all those World Series before 1977 only count for a quarter of a World Series, right?
                        You're kidding right? Doesn't matter how many teams got in the playoffs. There was still only 1/3 of the current league actually competing in the regular season so the same teams will get in because your record doesnt matter. Not to mention smaller schedules.Also there were no overtimes. If it was a tie in a game it ended that way. The packers won a championship with a 7-1-6 record. Only 7 wins but they still qualified. Babysitting system. Who cares what the conditions were? R u kidding? That's all you got? The weather? Give me a break. Not to mention that players nowadays r more talented than those of old. They're not gonna be affected by weather. The weather was not suddenly worse because it helps your argument. "So all those World Series matches don't matter as much?" YES! Take off the homer Yankee glasses! The packers do not have 13 SBs. Old championships should be separated from new ones if one was easier. No matter the sport. They count but barely as much. Might as be NFC championships or division titles.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by BuffyBlueII View Post
                          They were still the top Championship at the time. Some would argue they are easier to win now.
                          And "some" would be idiots. Give me a break. Smaller schedules. No over times. Less talented players. Simpler teams. Less teams.The packers qualified for a championship with a 7-1-6. And your telling me it was harder back cause your in bed with Bart Starr?? The championships count but so do NFC championships and division title.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by GentleGiant View Post
                            And "some" would be idiots. Give me a break. Smaller schedules. No over times. Less talented players. Simpler teams. Less teams.The packers qualified for a championship with a 7-1-6. And your telling me it was harder back cause your in bed with Bart Starr?? The championships count but so do NFC championships and division title.
                            No, I am not telling you that. I put up a question in response to a question. You seem to be babbling nonsense because apparently someone struck a nerve. Next you are going to state that Ahmad Bradshaw is a better RB than Jim Brown ever was because he plays a 16 game schedule.

                            It is amazing how every generation there is a complaint about “the rules have made the game easier, you can’t hit now” or “they were all small and not talented back then” or “there schedules were smaller” etc......etc...... excuses. excuses. excuses. NFL Championships are NFL Championships and the way someone performs in those games are what matters.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by BuffyBlueII View Post
                              No, I am not telling you that. I put up a question in response to a question. You seem to be babbling nonsense because apparently someone struck a nerve. Next you are going to state that Ahmad Bradshaw is a better RB than Jim Brown ever was because he plays a 16 game schedule.It is amazing how every generation there is a complaint about “the rules have made the game easier, you can’t hit now” or “they were all small and not talented back then” or “there schedules were smaller” etc......etc...... excuses. excuses. excuses. NFL Championships are NFL Championships and the way someone performs in those games are what matters.
                              It's amazing how many how old farts think that a league that didn't understand the forward pass somehow competes now. Excuse me sir the Sb hasn't been around for 10 years. People could harder in the 70s and 80s. And we're not talking about talent or Jim brown. We're talking about the fact you think that Bart Starr having 5 somehow puts him with joe Montana despite Starr being nothing being more than a game manager playing a weak league. Old farts and packet fans shy away from reality and call them excuses. Schedules do mean something cause shockingly enough 16 games is harder than 12. Also there's nothing more frustrating than guy living in the past.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by GentleGiant View Post
                                It's amazing how many how old farts think that a league that didn't understand the forward pass somehow competes now. Excuse me sir the Sb hasn't been around for 10 years. People could harder in the 70s and 80s. And we're not talking about talent or Jim brown. We're talking about the fact you think that Bart Starr having 5 somehow puts him with joe Montana despite Starr being nothing being more than a game manager playing a weak league. Old farts and packet fans shy away from reality and call them excuses. Schedules do mean something cause shockingly enough 16 games is harder than 12. Also there's nothing more frustrating than guy living in the past.
                                Kind of funny that you keep harping on “old farts” but you keep making the comparisons between the differences in the games and then get huffy when you are proven wrong.

                                Using your logic. How long ago did Joe Montana play?

                                “Old farts” and “Packers fans” are obviously not the only ones that bring up Bart Starr in the conversation since I am neither. Nice try on your part however.
                                Last edited by BuffyBlueII; 01-19-2013, 01:32 PM.

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