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  • #16
    Originally posted by Toadofsteel View Post
    Still, the common consensus is Brady, 'nuff said. I'm personally not so sure that Brady could do more with Ballard than Eli did. Not because Eli is anything super special, mind you, but because I still believe that Brady is OVERRATED...
    Eh, ok. You now have zero credibility in any discussion concerning this sport.

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    • #17
      Brady is overrated?

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      • #18
        Gronk and Hernandez are leaps and bounds better than any other TE the Pats have on their roster. On top of that, they run a two TE offense(well they did, probably won't see that too much this year) so yeah those two losses are going to hurt them a lot.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Moke View Post
          Brady is overrated?
          Anyone who calls him a Great QB is on the mark. Even a HoF lock, sure. Anyone calling him the GOAT is overrating him... and there's a LOT of people calling him the GOAT, so yes, he's overrated.
          Last edited by Toadofsteel; 06-27-2013, 08:48 AM.

          I'm Commander Shepard, and this is my favorite team in the NFL.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Toadofsteel View Post
            Still, the common consensus is Brady, 'nuff said. I'm personally not so sure that Brady could do more with Ballard than Eli did. Not because Eli is anything super special, mind you, but because I still believe that Brady is OVERRATED.

            Really there's no QB these days that makes the team around him by himself. Rodgers has fits when a 4-man front can get to him, Brady I still believe has been partially carried by the vast array of all-pro quality pass catchers his entire career (and having 8+ seconds to throw on every down due to his OL). Brees has shown that he depends much more on Payton's play-calling to play at an all-pro level, and Eli is, well, Mr. "I derp games for no reason"... Maybe Peyton could have carried a team by himself in his prime, but I don't think that really applies anymore.
            Woah, what? For one, Brees cracked 5000 yards and 40 touchdowns for the second year in a row - he's the same whether he's with Payton or without.

            With Ballard, he had Nicks, Cruz and Manningham surrounding him. In NE he'll have Michael Jenkins, Danny Amendola and Julian Edelman - hardly a comparable stable.

            As for Brady being surrounded by "all-pro" receivers all his career... Think about it - how many of Brady's receivers were playing at an "all-pro" level before they landed on the Pats?
            Last edited by Flip Empty; 06-27-2013, 08:55 AM.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Flip Empty View Post
              As for Brady being surrounded by "all-pro" receivers all his career... Think about it - how many of Brady's receivers were playing at an "all-pro" level before they landed on the Pats?
              Only Randy Moss, and Brady elevated him from washed-up, to record-breaking.
              My body was sculpted to the proportions of Michelangelo's David.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by gmen0820 View Post
                Only Randy Moss, and Brady elevated him from washed-up, to record-breaking.
                I don't disagree, but you have to still give Moss credit. He was still able to outrun nearly any DB in the league with that streak route. He just had a QB now who could reach him with the ball.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by njg85m View Post
                  I don't disagree, but you have to still give Moss credit. He was still able to outrun nearly any DB in the league with that streak route. He just had a QB now who could reach him with the ball.
                  Moss always had strong armed QBs: Culpepper, Brooks, Collins, Cunningham...hell, even Jeff George. Arm strength is only relevant if by "reach him with the ball," you do, in fact, imply arm strength. If you want to talk accuracy, too, then yeah I'd agree, Brady is awesome in that respect as well.

                  But, as you see, we're back to praising Brady for being incredible, and being the variable in taking a washed-up Moss and breaking a record with him.

                  Imagine if Brady had a guy like Calvin.

                  My body was sculpted to the proportions of Michelangelo's David.

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                  • #24
                    My body was sculpted to the proportions of Michelangelo's David.

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                    • #25
                      Man, if that happened to Eli, he would have a free pass to throw for 50 interceptions next year.
                      My body was sculpted to the proportions of Michelangelo's David.

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                      • #26
                        Now there's chatter out there about the Pats picking up Beckham. That's just creepy.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by NorwoodBlue View Post
                          Now there's chatter out there about the Pats picking up Beckham. That's just creepy.
                          You see, I am not surprised and I don't find it creepy. Coach Coughlin and Coach Bellichek both came up through NY Giants system and probably have a lot in common when it comes to evaluating football, particularly talent.

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                          • #28
                            If Brady can even come close to duplicating the Pats' passing performance from last year with this cast of characters, he should be put immediately into the HOF. No need to retire or wait 5 years or even vote . . . . he's just in.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by BuffyBlueII View Post
                              You see, I am not surprised and I don't find it creepy. Coach Coughlin and Coach Bellichek both came up through NY Giants system and probably have a lot in common when it comes to evaluating football, particularly talent.
                              If that was the case, wouldn't Belicheck also think that Beckum sucks?

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                              • #30
                                As long as they have TFB, they be fine
                                The Gigalo with the most below

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