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  • Your QB is a game manager, dink & dunk is what you will get outta him as past 15yds, he is very inaccurate. be a realist & except that w/o a ground game to keep the pressure off him, he is a game manager. Dak is not a spread the field type passer who scares opposing DCs. The league has a yr+ of film on him now & knows his tendencies. Stack the box & make him beat you with his arm. Dinking & dunking to Witten & Beasely ain't gonna get the job done. You'll end up settling for Gfs in the RZ with that type of passing game if your run game is negated.

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    • Originally posted by Parademon1 View Post
      Wow, who cares if you move the ball on our D, what did you get outta that? 19 pts with over 35+ min of TOP. And Detroit got 17pts & 227 total offensive yds & 12 1st dns with 32+ min of TOP. 1 TD was on the STs. So thru 2 games our D is giving up 18 ppg but they are bad? GTFO here with that! You Cowboys fans are so eager to try & downplay our D cuz your D sucks that you try & pull make believe stuff outta your rear ends,to say our D is bad this yr. Your D got lit up for 35pts & it shoulda been 45 as Denver left 10pts on the field. Every D that plays our putrid O this yr is gonna look like the 85' Bears, yours did last week, but Denver showed how bad your D really is & Denver isn't really a high powered O with a great QB- OL, just a decent OL overpowered your D, imagine what a great QB/OL will do to them. We Giants fans have to deal with our putrid O this yr, you guys better worry about your mediocre D. As we saw, without a time consuming ground game to keep em hidden on the sidelines, they are trash when on the field 30+ min.
      Plus they failed to mention one of our best Defensive players Jenkins was out. Also another played who owned the middle of the field Against Dallas MLB Goodson who had 18 tackles was also out leaving them to start an UDFA Munson. Even with that the D played good enough to win if the o line was even mediocre.

      But I did notice that although they are getting some stops behind the line that the run D minus Hankins has been lacking this year with a lot of big runs in them unlike last year
      Football has been very, very good to us.
      After losing seasons 2013-15, the giants put up 11 wins in 16.. they are on way Back
      But for now we can console ourselves with this fact-

      # of Super Bowl victories since 1985:

      1-Chicago, St. Louis, Tampa Bay, Indianapolis, New Orleans, Seattle
      2-Washington, Green Bay, Pittsburgh, Baltimore
      3-San Francisco, Dallas, Denver
      4-New York Giants!!!
      5-NE
      Let's make it 5 in 2016 so we can be on a LINE NE again!!!

      ***Stat provided by "Schloss22"***

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      • Originally posted by Parademon1 View Post
        Your QB is a game manager, dink & dunk is what you will get outta him as past 15yds, he is very inaccurate. be a realist & except that w/o a ground game to keep the pressure off him, he is a game manager. Dak is not a spread the field type passer who scares opposing DCs. The league has a yr+ of film on him now & knows his tendencies. Stack the box & make him beat you with his arm. Dinking & dunking to Witten & Beasely ain't gonna get the job done. You'll end up settling for Gfs in the RZ with that type of passing game if your run game is negated.

        I know one thing he is better than Eli at the moment. Eli is the worst Qb in the NFC east at the moment.

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        • Originally posted by Parademon1 View Post

          And 3 total points in the 2nd half for that great Dallas O last week. In the GB WC game, DRC going out with an injury on the game's 2nd play is what killed the Giants secondary as the backups got torn up by AR. Not to mention JPP DNP either, so playing a playoff game with 2 of your best starters on D out vs AR at home is not gonna end up a happy ending. What was your pathetic Ds excuse the following week in your house. AR lit them up like a roman candle & with the game on the line at the end, they allow him to complete a 3rd & forever pass that set up the GW FG. Just as well. Atl woulda lit up your D even worse the next week anyway.


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          • Originally posted by Mrv View Post
            I think Giant fans are really not seeing the whole picture here. The offense, and Eli are not the only problems with this team. The defense has not lived up to their potential this year. This defense lives by turnovers and it masks there real weaknesses. You can move the ball on this team, running or passing. Stats wise when you look at that defense last year you see that it isn't as dominant as Giant fans believe. No where near a Broncos type D but who is. Giant fans will argue that their offense doesn't move the ball so their defense is out to long. This is nothing but excuses. Both the Cowboys and Detroit moved the ball on them when they were fresh.
            http://boards.giants.com/forum/new-y...ense-overrated

            even real Jiantsfans know it
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            • You lose all football IQ credibility when you say that it's nothing but an "excuse" when a D is on the field too long. Your D was on the field 33:50 & got torn up for 35pts, shoulda been 52pts as the QB missed a wide open Broncos receiver alone down the sideline in the 1st or 2nd qt & then the Broncos kicker missed a FG. 1 of your Tds was on a 3yd drive so you shoulda been held to 10pts if not for that. In contrast, our D was on the field vs Dallas for 34:14 & gave up just 19pts. So tell me again how our D isn't good this yr & yours is?

              Bottom line is, Dallas is a ball control run 1st team by design, 1: in order to hide your mediocre D on the sidelines as much as possible. 2: To keep Dak from having to win a game with his arm, which he has proven he can't do when your run game is ineffective & you're not winning the TOP.

              The Giants showed the blueprint last yr & Denver improved on it. Your only saving grace is that there are only a handful of defenses in the NFL that can implement that vs your team. But once the playoffs begin, there will be plenty of top 10 or higher rated defenses that can & will stack the box to negate your run game & force Dak to beat them with his dink/dunk passes. Not to mention top rated offenses with better QBs & run games for your D to deal with.

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              • Originally posted by americas9team View Post
                Already been mentioned here but look at post#3 in that thread.

                I have admitted that the run Defense so far without Hankins is not as good as last year. Still blowing guts up at LOS but also allowing big gains in both games that have moved the chains do can't get off field on the 3rd and shorts like they were last year.

                It will get better in secondary once Jenkins gets back. U know the guy that locks down Dez and Goodson as middle line backer. Can't expect much from Munson who was thrown in as a starter as an UDFA because Keenan Robinson also still out with concussion.

                This D unlike yours would of been good enough to win a Title ( Unlike Yours) IF REESE HAD ADDRESSED THE O LINE.

                Now because he didn't us Giant's fans just need to see where this bad O gets us in the Draft order
                Football has been very, very good to us.
                After losing seasons 2013-15, the giants put up 11 wins in 16.. they are on way Back
                But for now we can console ourselves with this fact-

                # of Super Bowl victories since 1985:

                1-Chicago, St. Louis, Tampa Bay, Indianapolis, New Orleans, Seattle
                2-Washington, Green Bay, Pittsburgh, Baltimore
                3-San Francisco, Dallas, Denver
                4-New York Giants!!!
                5-NE
                Let's make it 5 in 2016 so we can be on a LINE NE again!!!

                ***Stat provided by "Schloss22"***

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                • Originally posted by Parademon1 View Post
                  You lose all football IQ credibility when you say that it's nothing but an "excuse" when a D is on the field too long. Your D was on the field 33:50 & got torn up for 35pts, shoulda been 52pts as the QB missed a wide open Broncos receiver alone down the sideline in the 1st or 2nd qt & then the Broncos kicker missed a FG. 1 of your Tds was on a 3yd drive so you shoulda been held to 10pts if not for that. In contrast, our D was on the field vs Dallas for 34:14 & gave up just 19pts. So tell me again how our D isn't good this yr & yours is?

                  Bottom line is, Dallas is a ball control run 1st team by design, 1: in order to hide your mediocre D on the sidelines as much as possible. 2: To keep Dak from having to win a game with his arm, which he has proven he can't do when your run game is ineffective & you're not winning the TOP.

                  The Giants showed the blueprint last yr & Denver improved on it. Your only saving grace is that there are only a handful of defenses in the NFL that can implement that vs your team. But once the playoffs begin, there will be plenty of top 10 or higher rated defenses that can & will stack the box to negate your run game & force Dak to beat them with his dink/dunk passes. Not to mention top rated offenses with better QBs & run games for your D to deal with.

                  Look I am not saying you have a bad D. You have a very good D, I wish we had that D, but there is a problem you can't deny that. Look at Monday night Detroit was able to exploit the run to the outside maybe it was because you had Goodson and Jenkins out but they were successful. Even with them in your run defense is not as strong as last year it seems.

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                  • You just said it all. We were missing 2 of our best defensive players in this game. And despite Det being able to run the ball, did they score a TD on the ground? And it all goes back to a defense being on the field plus 33-34 min, the yds are gonna accumulate. Common sense, don't ya think? The less a D is on the field, the less total yds & points they should allow.

                    I'm gonna throw up these stats that the lions O put up against our D in 32:47 min:

                    12 1st downs
                    17 pts- 1 TD was on STs.
                    257 total offensive yds
                    122 passing yds
                    0 rushing TDs

                    Would you not think that based on those stats, that the Giants won the game? And we were w/o Jackrabbit &
                    BJ Goodson.

                    When your O is constantly going 3 & out after less than 2 min on the field, & your D is almost always on the field w/o a breather , you're damn right that eventually, even the most stout run D is gonna get winded. Minus the STs TD, the Giants D is giving up 18ppg after 2 games. You should be 2-0 with that type of defensive production. If someone told you that the Dallas D was gonna give up just 18ppg this yr, how happy would you be? I'm pretty sure you'd be thru the roof with that stat. But not the Giants, our O is so damn bad that 18ppg is still enough to beat them. We have gone the equivalent of half an NFL season w/o touching the 20pt mark. In this age of rules giving the O the edge over the defense, it is disgusting that my team's O cannot generate 20+ pts a game!

                    In the preseason, after the draft, based on what I saw on paper, I predicted that if the Giants O could muster just 24-25ppg, with our D, that would generate last yr's record of 11-5 at minimum. Never did I think our O, especially our OL would be even more putrid than last yr & making middle of the pack defenses look like the 85' Bears.

                    No sir, our D is quite fine, it's our O that is the major issue for this team.

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                    • Originally posted by miked1958 View Post

                      Already been mentioned here but look at post#3 in that thread.

                      I have admitted that the run Defense so far without Hankins is not as good as last year. Still blowing guts up at LOS but also allowing big gains in both games that have moved the chains do can't get off field on the 3rd and shorts like they were last year.

                      It will get better in secondary once Jenkins gets back. U know the guy that locks down Dez and Goodson as middle line backer. Can't expect much from Munson who was thrown in as a starter as an UDFA because Keenan Robinson also still out with concussion.

                      This D unlike yours would of been good enough to win a Title ( Unlike Yours) IF REESE HAD ADDRESSED THE O LINE.

                      Now because he didn't us Giant's fans just need to see where this bad O gets us in the Draft order


                      stop it... please...
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                      • How infantile. Can someone post the vid of AR getting that 3rd & forever completion to set up the GW FG vs that pathetic Dallas D?

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                        • Originally posted by Parademon1 View Post
                          How infantile. Can someone post the vid of AR getting that 3rd & forever completion to set up the GW FG vs that pathetic Dallas D?
                          That 'pathetic' Dallas D kicked the crap out of poor eli n the giants....how does that make u feel?

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                          • Seriously sad that fans of a Giants team that was just completely destroyed by the Cowboys aren't smart enough to realize what them bagging on Dallas means. If Dallas is bad then the Giants are the worst team in the league.

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                            • Originally posted by elbowj View Post
                              Seriously sad that fans of a Giants team that was just completely destroyed by the Cowboys aren't smart enough to realize what them bagging on Dallas means. If Dallas is bad then the Giants are the worst team in the league.
                              Guess you missed what a lot of us posted while Denver was slamming the Dallas D. Most knew Dallas had a weak D but what was worse was the realization of just how bad the Giants O was as they had 10 drives and only managed 3 Points. We all knew the line was Terrible but watching what Denver was able to do was s nightmare for us
                              Football has been very, very good to us.
                              After losing seasons 2013-15, the giants put up 11 wins in 16.. they are on way Back
                              But for now we can console ourselves with this fact-

                              # of Super Bowl victories since 1985:

                              1-Chicago, St. Louis, Tampa Bay, Indianapolis, New Orleans, Seattle
                              2-Washington, Green Bay, Pittsburgh, Baltimore
                              3-San Francisco, Dallas, Denver
                              4-New York Giants!!!
                              5-NE
                              Let's make it 5 in 2016 so we can be on a LINE NE again!!!

                              ***Stat provided by "Schloss22"***

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                              • Originally posted by J.R.Ewing View Post

                                That 'pathetic' Dallas D kicked the crap out of poor eli n the giants....how does that make u feel?
                                Where the freak have you been for the past 8 Giants games? Every D, no matter how good/bad they are, looks like the 85' Bears against our putrid O. The Dallas D is mediocre & we made em look like the Doomsday D. A week later a middle of the pack Denver O exposed your D for what it truly is. If Denver's O racked up 35 on your D & it shoulda been 45, imagine what Matty Ice & the Falcs O is gonna do to them? Your run game better be operating on 8 cylinders that game or your D is in for a very long day.

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