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    GIANTS' POSITION ANALYSIS: TIGHT END

    "This is the first in a seriesanalyzing the state of each position for
    the New York Giants.



    Coming into this past championship season, the Giants’ Front Office faced
    heavy criticism for not addressing the tight end position and letting their
    premier tight end, Kevin Boss, who is now with the Oakland Raiders, walk.
    However, the Giants knew what their game plan was for the tight end position and
    recognized the talent they had in Jake Ballard, who replaced Kevin Boss quite
    effectively. However, the Giants lost their top two receiving tight ends in Jake
    Ballard and Travis Beckum to ACL tears in the Super Bowl. ACL tears can take up
    to nine months to recover from, and possibly even longer with heavier players
    like tight ends.




    Who the Giants
    Have:




    Travis Beckum- He suffered an
    ACL tear in the Super Bowl and will likely miss most of the season. Even so,
    Beckum has not displayed the ability to take over the tight end position. He is
    not the most reliable target and is nearly useless when called to block. He is
    no more than a backup tight end. He was thought to be the starter coming into
    the season, but ended with 93 yards on 5 catches and a touchdown, down from 116
    yards off 13 receptions and 2 touchdowns in 2010. Not the direction you would
    want a player to go in.




    Christian Hopkins- Not much
    is known about the practice squad tight end from Toledo University, but the
    Giants have expressed confidence in him to step in for Ballard. He could
    possibly become a Ballard 2.0 and climb up the depth chart and possibly get
    looks at the starting job. His performance can heavily affect how the Giants
    approach the draft and free agency.




    Free Agents on the
    Giants:




    Jake Ballard- The breakout
    tight end on the Giants this past season. It is very unfortunate he ended a
    solid season (38 receptions for 604 yards and 4 touchdowns) with an ACL tear.
    Ballard was also bothered by a PCL injury late in the season. He is an Exlusive
    Rights free agent that will most likely return. He can win the starting job back
    if he can return before the end of the season or can come back if the Giants
    make the playoffs. His versatility as a blocker and a pass catcher earned him
    the starting job. While he has had some huge games, his only problem is his
    dropped passes, but that be worked on and it is not a major issue.




    Bear Pascoe- Pascoe is a
    restricted free agent but will most likely return with the injuries the Giants
    have. Pascoe is primarily a blocking tight end, and a very talented one as well.
    Pascoe can play fullback as well. The Giants value blocking as much as, if not
    more, than receiving skills, which is why they will bring him back. He did prove
    to be a decent receiver, racking up 5 receptions for 39 yards and a touchdown in
    the final two games of the postseason. He is not very quick but he is reliable
    on short pickups.




    Notable Free
    Agents:




    There are many huge names in free agency such as Fred Davis and Jermichael
    Finley, but they are either too expensive for the Giants’ tight salary cap or
    most likely returning to their respective teams. There are a few that the Giants
    may consider, however.




    Jeremy Shockey- He has been
    linked to a return to New York. He had a decent season with four touchdown
    catches as the #2 TE alongside Greg Olsen. However, his injury history is not
    ideal for the Giants’ current situation.




    Visanthe Shiancoe- Speaking
    of former Giants tight ends, Shiancoe is on the free agent market. While he did
    not have a stellar season, he did face QB problems with the Vikings. He is an
    undervalued tight end that could fit the bill in New York.




    Jacob Tamme- It seems as if
    he fell off the map with the return of Dallas Clark this season. However, it has
    just been a year when he emerged with Peyton Manning and caught 67 passes in
    2010. He is not big for a tight end (236 pounds) but his agility makes him ideal
    from a receiving standpoint.




    Draft:




    Dwayne Allen- He is the top
    tight end in the upcoming draft from Clemson. He is a versatile player who can
    block and run routes very well. He could possibly be available when the Giants
    pick 32.Dwayne Allen
    Analysis




    Coby Fleener- Andrew Luck’s
    go to tight end is also entering the draft. He is projected to go into the 2nd
    round and has high upside. He is also a versatile player like Dwayne Allen, as
    can be seen with his 10 touchdown receptions. Fleener is also intimidating,
    standing at 6’6?, which can make him an effective red zone target.Coby Fleener
    Highlights




    Conclusion




    Ibelievethe Giants will stand strong like they did last season and utilize
    the players on the roster. They have faith in Christian Hopkins and he can
    easily see playing time from Week 1. But with the emergence of the tight end in
    recent years, such as Jimmy Graham and Rob Gronkowski, the Giants may draft a
    prospect in within their first few picks in the draft. As for Pascoe and
    Ballard, I would expect the Giants to bring them back next season.




    The speculation of Mario Manningham makes things interesting. While they
    might find someone to replace him in free agency (I will discuss this in a
    future article), there is a possibility that New York uses a double tight end
    set more often this season, like the Patriots and Panthers did in 2011. The
    double tight end set creates mismatches in the passing game, because athletic
    tight ends are too quick for linebackers to cover but to big for defensive backs
    to cover. It also keeps defenses guessing because if a double tight end set is
    used in the passing game, it makes it less predictable for when the offense
    decides to run the ball.




    If the Giants strike gold at the tight end position next season, the Giants
    can become more dangerous than they were this past season on offense."


    “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

  • #2
    Re: GIANTS' POSITION ANALYSIS: TIGHT END

    Its a good read. But, you have to keep in mind he is a 1st article
    blogger, in other words, a guy who wrote his opinion on this internet
    having no real connection or inside information. He is effectively as
    informed as any poster in these forums.



    That said, I do not agree with, nor do I understand his conclusions. He
    says we will "find the solution within our own roster." Considering we
    have zero TEs on our roster right now who can go next eyar, unless you count Hopkins off the practice squad, I do not understand how we "will find the solutions on our roster."

    I understand he believes we resign Ballard and possibly Pascoe as well. But, Ballard will be out for as long as Beckum. Even if we resigned everyone he says, we would still only have Pascoe and Hopkins ready to go for next year. That just isnt enough.

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    • #3
      Re: GIANTS' POSITION ANALYSIS: TIGHT END

      I've seen a lot articles/mock drafts saying that the Giants will take a TE in the first round (usually they say Allen). I don't buy it. We don't need a guy like Gronk or Graham for our offense to work (not saying that wouldn't be nice, but there are other positions we rely on more that we can address in the first round). I tend to agree with this article more. I think the Giants will bring back Pascoe and hope Hopkins can contribute next year. They will also probably sign a veteran FA for cheap (Shiancoe and Tamme seem like good fits, but I can't see Reese bringing Shockey back) and/or draft a TE in round 3-6.

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      • #4
        Re: GIANTS' POSITION ANALYSIS: TIGHT END

        allen has the bigger body, but fleener is a consistent downfield threat and i think he'd kill it in our offense.

        he has tremendous speed and route running ability, but he also can block. they ran a pro system at stanford, i think he could start day 1 for us here

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        • #5
          Re: GIANTS' POSITION ANALYSIS: TIGHT END

          [quote user="Giants10Joe"]I've seen a lot articles/mock drafts saying that the Giants will take a TE in the first round (usually they say Allen). I don't buy it. We don't need a guy like Gronk or Graham for our offense to work (not saying that wouldn't be nice, but there are other positions we rely on more that we can address in the first round). I tend to agree with this article more. I think the Giants will bring back Pascoe and hope Hopkins can contribute next year. They will also probably sign a veteran FA for cheap (Shiancoe and Tamme seem like good fits, but I can't see Reese bringing Shockey back) and/or draft a TE in round 3-6.
          [/quote]

          Serious question here - if we did have a TE with the skills set of a Gronkowski or Jimmy Graham, how much would our offense have to change to make full use of them? I honestly don't know if the Pats or Saints drastically alter their offense to take advantage of their TE's capabilities. Would we have to give up something regarding our WR schemes to be able to take full advantage of a game-changing TE?

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          • #6
            Re: GIANTS' POSITION ANALYSIS: TIGHT END



            [quote user="BlueSanta"]Its a good read. But, you have to keep in mind he is a 1st article blogger, in other words, a guy who wrote his opinion on this internet having no real connection or inside information. He is effectively as informed as any poster in these forums.

            That said, I do not agree with, nor do I understand his conclusions. He says we will "find the solution within our own roster." Considering we have zero TEs on our roster right now who can go next eyar, unless you count Hopkins off the practice squad, I do not understand how we "will find the solutions on our roster."

            I understand he believes we resign Ballard and possibly Pascoe as well. But, Ballard will be out for as long as Beckum. Even if we resigned everyone he says, we would still only have Pascoe and Hopkins ready to go for next year. That just isnt enough.
            [/quote]




            Yeah, where has Shockey been linked with a return to the Giants??? No chance that the Giants have even considered this.

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            • #7
              Re: GIANTS' POSITION ANALYSIS: TIGHT END

              You just know Jerry Reese will fix the TE pos. But beware! JR is sneaky good about hiding who they really covet in the draft. If He starts talking up OL or LBer, He may be looking to pounce on Allen, But I'm thinking Fleeny.

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              • #8
                Re: GIANTS' POSITION ANALYSIS: TIGHT END

                Please Mr Reese, no Shockey and no Burress.

                Please.

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                • #9
                  Re: GIANTS' POSITION ANALYSIS: TIGHT END

                  [quote user="BlueSanta"]Its a good read. But, you have to keep in mind he is a 1st article
                  blogger, in other words, a guy who wrote his opinion on this internet
                  having no real connection or inside information. He is effectively as
                  informed as any poster in these forums.



                  That said, I do not agree with, nor do I understand his conclusions. He
                  says we will "find the solution within our own roster." Considering we
                  have zero TEs on our roster right now who can go next eyar, unless you count Hopkins off the practice squad, I do not understand how we "will find the solutions on our roster."

                  I understand he believes we resign Ballard and possibly Pascoe as well. But, Ballard will be out for as long as Beckum. Even if we resigned everyone he says, we would still only have Pascoe and Hopkins ready to go for next year. That just isnt enough.
                  [/quote]

                  It's not meant to be gospel, it's just someone's opinion.
                  “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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                  • #10
                    Re: GIANTS' POSITION ANALYSIS: TIGHT END

                    [quote user="BlueBlitzer"]You just know Jerry Reese will fix the TE pos. But beware! JR is sneaky good about hiding who they really covet in the draft. If He starts talking up OL or LBer, He may be looking to pounce on Allen, But I'm thinking Fleeny.[/quote]

                    Because they like Ballard and Beckum, they may look for a FA for a one year deal. like Kawika Mitchell and that worked out pretty well.
                    “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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                    • #11
                      Re: GIANTS' POSITION ANALYSIS: TIGHT END

                      [quote user="Roswell777"]Please Mr Reese, no Shockey and no Burress.

                      Please.[/quote]

                      This.

                      No SS12 while we're at it, either.

                      All these guys wanted to play for themselves, not the team. As much as we give Eli credit for his leadership, it's still a team effort. Everyone on that team gets a ring, not just one player. Even the practice squad (which is where the "I got a ring" video came from anyway)

                      I'm Commander Shepard, and this is my favorite team in the NFL.

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                      • #12
                        Re: GIANTS' POSITION ANALYSIS: TIGHT END

                        "If the Giants strike gold at the tight end position next season, the Giants can become more dangerous than they were this past season on offense."

                        lol, If my aunt had b***s, she'd be my uncle.

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                        • #13
                          Re: GIANTS' POSITION ANALYSIS: TIGHT END

                          I think the Giants will have the time and luxury to re-sign Ballard because of his injury (if they want to). No other team is gonna sign him knowing full well he's going to miss a good amount (if not all) of the next regular season and if he'll ever be back to normal again. There's just no point to dedicate cap space to re-sign Ballard this early in the offseason.

                          Beckum- Beckum has such a small print on the salary cap ($153K signing bonus) and also it's going to be his last contract year. The Giants (again knowing full well he might miss most or all of next season and if he'll ever be back to normal) might end up watching him linger on the injury list and turn into a FA. If the Giants are financially forced to tap into his $565K base salary (not probable but slightly possible) due to salary cap reasons, he might be gone. This might happen during the regular season, not necessarily before.

                          Chris Hopkins - He is praised by Reese, which is a good start...

                          Financially, it would be better to address the TE situation in the salary-capped rookie draft if possible as suppose to free agency, especially when the team is running tight with cap space.

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                          • #14
                            Re: GIANTS' POSITION ANALYSIS: TIGHT END

                            [quote user="RoanokeFan"][quote user="BlueSanta"]Its a good read. But, you have to keep in mind he is a 1st article
                            blogger, in other words, a guy who wrote his opinion on this internet
                            having no real connection or inside information. He is effectively as
                            informed as any poster in these forums.



                            That said, I do not agree with, nor do I understand his conclusions. He
                            says we will "find the solution within our own roster." Considering we
                            have zero TEs on our roster right now who can go next eyar, unless you count Hopkins off the practice squad, I do not understand how we "will find the solutions on our roster."

                            I understand he believes we resign Ballard and possibly Pascoe as well. But, Ballard will be out for as long as Beckum. Even if we resigned everyone he says, we would still only have Pascoe and Hopkins ready to go for next year. That just isnt enough.
                            [/quote]

                            It's not meant to be gospel, it's just someone's opinion.
                            [/quote]

                            And thats all i was pointing out. When I followed the link about the Author of that article, in part because he hinted at inside info as to shockey, then saw he had 1 article written(this 1) I knew it is no different than a post in a forum.
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                            • #15
                              Re: GIANTS' POSITION ANALYSIS: TIGHT END

                              [quote user="chasjay"][quote user="Giants10Joe"]I've seen a lot articles/mock drafts saying that the Giants will take a TE in the first round (usually they say Allen). I don't buy it. We don't need a guy like Gronk or Graham for our offense to work (not saying that wouldn't be nice, but there are other positions we rely on more that we can address in the first round). I tend to agree with this article more. I think the Giants will bring back Pascoe and hope Hopkins can contribute next year. They will also probably sign a veteran FA for cheap (Shiancoe and Tamme seem like good fits, but I can't see Reese bringing Shockey back) and/or draft a TE in round 3-6.
                              [/quote]

                              Serious question here - if we did have a TE with the skills set of a Gronkowski or Jimmy Graham, how much would our offense have to change to make full use of them? I honestly don't know if the Pats or Saints drastically alter their offense to take advantage of their TE's capabilities. Would we have to give up something regarding our WR schemes to be able to take full advantage of a game-changing TE?
                              [/quote]

                              I don't think we would need to change anything. If anything having a guy like that would help Nicks and Cruz because there is one more guy on the field deserving of double coverage. However, what I'm saying is that unlike the Pats who have no down field threat, we don't need an elite TE. I would rather draft OL or LB in the first round and then address TE in a later round or free agency. And I suspect that is what Jerry Reese will do (although of course I have no way to know for sure).

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