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    Diehl-ing with Despair




    Honestly, we’re not trying to start a fight with a big guy like David Diehl, but rather just pointing out some numbers. Yesterday we told you he was the worst-ranked tackle in the league when it came to giving up pressure, and he’s about to complete the double, because he’s also the worst-ranked guard. The Giants’ lineman gave up five sacks, two hits, and 28 hurries on the 280 occasions he lined up to pass protect at guard; comfortably worse than the next weakest effort by Zane Beadles of the Denver Broncos. Diehl may bring a lot to the table off the field, but simply put, if you’re watching him on it, you’re likely to be watching him get beat wherever he lines up.




    http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog...s-and-centers/


  • #2
    Re: Diehl-ing with Despair

    Yikes. I knew he was bad but I didn't know he was that bad. I like the guy he's clearly made contributions over the years but for his salary he needs to either be cut or come back as a backup for a much lower salary.

    Cue somebody saying "He's so bad that we won two super bowls with him"...

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    • #3
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      he was better down the stretch. really, i think he put up better protection, at least i don't remember him giving up any whiffed blocks for sackes the way KMac was just run around all year.


      i think these guys need to drop weight if they have any hope of remaining starters, because they're too sluggish now. i mean Diehl was always.... not fast, but its hurting now.

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      • #4
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        lol when will management realize this guy is going to get Eli killed. I am tired of David Turnstile Diehl. I am tired of his whiffs.

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        • #5
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          [quote user="swimeasy"]


          Diehl-ing with Despair




          Honestly, we’re not trying to start a fight with a big guy like David Diehl, but rather just pointing out some numbers. Yesterday we told you he was the worst-ranked tackle in the league when it came to giving up pressure, and he’s about to complete the double, because he’s also the worst-ranked guard. The Giants’ lineman gave up five sacks, two hits, and 28 hurries on the 280 occasions he lined up to pass protect at guard; comfortably worse than the next weakest effort by Zane Beadles of the Denver Broncos. Diehl may bring a lot to the table off the field, but simply put, if you’re watching him on it, you’re likely to be watching him get beat wherever he lines up.




          http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog...s-and-centers/




          [/quote]




          How many left tackles have two rings?




          They left out the most important consideration.




          DD is a great Giant......Period!

          Admit nothing. Deny everything. Make counter accusations.

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          • #6
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            [quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="swimeasy"]


            Diehl-ing with Despair




            Honestly, we’re not trying to start a fight with a big guy like David Diehl, but rather just pointing out some numbers. Yesterday we told you he was the worst-ranked tackle in the league when it came to giving up pressure, and he’s about to complete the double, because he’s also the worst-ranked guard. The Giants’ lineman gave up five sacks, two hits, and 28 hurries on the 280 occasions he lined up to pass protect at guard; comfortably worse than the next weakest effort by Zane Beadles of the Denver Broncos. Diehl may bring a lot to the table off the field, but simply put, if you’re watching him on it, you’re likely to be watching him get beat wherever he lines up.




            http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog...s-and-centers/




            [/quote]




            How many left tackles have two rings?




            They left out the most important consideration.




            DD is a great Giant......Period!

            [/quote]

            He's great, love him, but it's time to go. We don't need to be paying the worst starting tackle in the league 7 million dollars.

            How many teams repeat championships by overpaying the same guys they won with when they're past their prime? Evolve or die.

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            • #7
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              [quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="swimeasy"]


              Diehl-ing with Despair




              Honestly, we’re not trying to start a fight with a big guy like David Diehl, but rather just pointing out some numbers. Yesterday we told you he was the worst-ranked tackle in the league when it came to giving up pressure, and he’s about to complete the double, because he’s also the worst-ranked guard. The Giants’ lineman gave up five sacks, two hits, and 28 hurries on the 280 occasions he lined up to pass protect at guard; comfortably worse than the next weakest effort by Zane Beadles of the Denver Broncos. Diehl may bring a lot to the table off the field, but simply put, if you’re watching him on it, you’re likely to be watching him get beat wherever he lines up.




              http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog...s-and-centers/




              [/quote]




              How many left tackles have two rings?




              They left out the most important consideration.




              DD is a great Giant......Period!

              [/quote]LOL DD had almost 0 impact on the Giants winning the SB. He had more impact on Eli getting crushed than the Giants winning games.

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              • #8
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                [quote user="Morehead State"]How many left tackles have two rings?




                They left out the most important consideration.




                DD is a great Giant......Period!

                [/quote]

                What kind of argument is this? You should be ashamed.

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                • #9
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                  Diehl was a GREAT Giant, a total team player, one of the most versitle guys we've had on the OL in ages, and a locker room hero...... BUT at this point in his career, if he wants to stay a Giant he's gotta accept a role as a depth player.

                  Beatty is better than him at LT
                  Boothe AND Petrus are better than him at LG
                  Snee is better than him at RG
                  Who knows whats going on at RT

                  But if Diehl wants a starting spot he better be ready to compete at RT, cause IMO thats the only spot he has a chance at. Then again I want us to look at a nice versitle RT/LT kinda guy that we LOOOOVE to have on our OL

                  Baas can kick rocks, I like Boothe at C and Petrus showed grit and gusto at LG and for much cheaper too
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                  • #10
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                    [quote user="Kase-1"]Diehl was a GREAT Giant, a total team player, one of the most versitle guys we've had on the OL in ages, and a locker room hero...... BUT at this point in his career, if he wants to stay a Giant he's gotta accept a role as a depth player.

                    Beatty is better than him at LT
                    Boothe AND Petrus are better than him at LG
                    Snee is better than him at RG
                    Who knows whats going on at RT

                    But if Diehl wants a starting spot he better be ready to compete at RT, cause IMO thats the only spot he has a chance at. Then again I want us to look at a nice versitle RT/LT kinda guy that we LOOOOVE to have on our OL

                    Baas can kick rocks, I like Boothe at C and Petrus showed grit and gusto at LG and for much cheaper too
                    [/quote]




                    Our running game AND our pass protection improved when Beatty got hurt and DD moved to LT. He's a better LT than guard. He has problems with speed rushers at times but he is far more solid than some of you are giving him credit for.




                    Yes $7MM is high. Who says he can't redo his contract. And don't give me Beatty. he underperformed last season.

                    Admit nothing. Deny everything. Make counter accusations.

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                    • #11
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                      [quote user="Morehead State"]Our running game AND our pass protection improved when Beatty got hurt and DD moved to LT[/quote]

                      Another AWFUL argument.

                      The LT position both run and pass got worse when Diehl came in.

                      The LG position got significantly better when Boothe came in.

                      Fact is, Beatty was a far better LT, and Boothe a far better LG.


                      Diehl was by far the worst pass blocking LT in the league last year, but you think he was "far better than we give him credit for"? On what basis?

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                      • #12
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                        [quote user="Morehead State"]

                        [quote user="Kase-1"]Diehl was a GREAT Giant, a total team player, one of the most versitle guys we've had on the OL in ages, and a locker room hero...... BUT at this point in his career, if he wants to stay a Giant he's gotta accept a role as a depth player.

                        Beatty is better than him at LT
                        Boothe AND Petrus are better than him at LG
                        Snee is better than him at RG
                        Who knows whats going on at RT

                        But if Diehl wants a starting spot he better be ready to compete at RT, cause IMO thats the only spot he has a chance at. Then again I want us to look at a nice versitle RT/LT kinda guy that we LOOOOVE to have on our OL

                        Baas can kick rocks, I like Boothe at C and Petrus showed grit and gusto at LG and for much cheaper too
                        [/quote]




                        Our running game AND our pass protection improved when Beatty got hurt and DD moved to LT. He's a better LT than guard. He has problems with speed rushers at times but he is far more solid than some of you are giving him credit for.




                        Yes $7MM is high. Who says he can't redo his contract. And don't give me Beatty. he underperformed last season.

                        [/quote]Our running game improved when we had Boothe at Center

                        Diehl is one of the worst starting LTs in the league, the numbers are all over the place, year after year he's at the bottom of the barrel for starting LTs. I think he's a GREAT Giant and I want him to retire here, but he isnt a starting LT, LG, or RG anymore. If he has a chance at starting its gonna be at RT

                        Before he got eye gouged Captain Insane-o style, Beatty was having a BEASTLY season. He faced a ton of top tier pass rushers like Orakpo, Peppers, T.Cole, etc and held them to nothing, Beatty is the LT of our future, mark my words I said it before we drafted him and Ill stand by that
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                        • #13
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                          [quote user="swimeasy"]

                          Diehl-ing with Despair




                          Honestly, we’re not trying to start a fight with a big guy like David Diehl, but rather just pointing out some numbers. Yesterday we told you he was the worst-ranked tackle in the league when it came to giving up pressure, and he’s about to complete the double, because he’s also the worst-ranked guard. The Giants’ lineman gave up five sacks, two hits, and 28 hurries on the 280 occasions he lined up to pass protect at guard; comfortably worse than the next weakest effort by Zane Beadles of the Denver Broncos. Diehl may bring a lot to the table off the field, but simply put, if you’re watching him on it, you’re likely to be watching him get beat wherever he lines up.




                          http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog...s-and-centers/

                          [/quote]

                          just like those awful stats say that rolle was the worst saftey in the league

                          just like the same stat that said preseason JPP was statistically the worst DE in the league last year...

                          enough with these crackpot stat sites...


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                          • #14
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                            [quote user="MattMeyerBud"]just like those awful stats say that rolle was the worst saftey in the league

                            just like the same stat that said preseason JPP was statistically the worst DE in the league last year...

                            enough with these* crackpot stat sites...


                            [/quote]

                            judging safety play when you cant even see them on the TV screen is a completely different issue, which i agree with you.

                            But offensive line play, overall, is not difficult to observe.

                            I dont remember reading anything that said JPP was the worst DE in the league.

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                            • #15
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                              [quote user="slipknottin"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"]just like those awful stats say that rolle was the worst saftey in the league

                              just like the same stat that said preseason JPP was statistically the worst DE in the league last year...

                              enough with these crackpot stat sites...


                              [/quote]

                              judging safety play when you cant even see them on the TV screen is a completely different issue, which i agree with you.

                              But offensive line play, overall, is not difficult to observe.

                              I dont remember reading anything that said JPP was the worst DE in the league.[/quote]

                              i do - it was all over TAGF preseason...

                              I even had some cowboy fans reference me to it... i tried looking for it again but couldn't find it...

                              not sure it was PFF, but it was a similiar type stat site

                              I'm fine with DIehl being our guy


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