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    I know everyone wants an every down MLB, but if we don't draft one I think we actually had a good thing going last season. What do you guys think about going forward with Boley as the only 3 down LB? Something like:

    Base: Boley - Goff - Kiwi (with Herzlich and Jones as depth)

    Nickel: Boley - Williams (with Paysinger as depth)

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    Re: LB by committee?

    [quote user="jhamburg"]I know everyone wants an every down MLB, but if we don't draft one I think we actually had a good thing going last season. What do you guys think about going forward with Boley as the only 3 down LB? Something like:

    Base: Boley - Goff - Kiwi (with Herzlich and Jones as depth)

    Nickel: Boley - Williams (with Paysinger as depth)[/quote]

    proven not to work by our basement ranked defense.

    As it currenlty stands. If Kiwi or Boley get hurt we become the worst defense in football.

    need a real MLB.
    My 5 year old son right before the kickoff of the Super Bowl 46: Dad, are the Giants gonna win?

    Burier: Yes.

    My 5 year old son right before the kickoff of Super Bowl 46: Do you promise?

    Burier: Yes. I promise.

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    • #3
      Re: LB by committee?

      [quote user="burier"][quote user="jhamburg"]I know everyone wants an every down MLB, but if we don't draft one I think we actually had a good thing going last season. What do you guys think about going forward with Boley as the only 3 down LB? Something like:

      Base: Boley - Goff - Kiwi (with Herzlich and Jones as depth)

      Nickel: Boley - Williams (with Paysinger as depth)[/quote]

      proven not to work by our basement ranked defense.

      As it currenlty stands. If Kiwi or Boley get hurt we become the worst defense in football.

      need a real MLB.[/quote]When we had a 'real MLB' like Goff our Defense was consistently ranked in the top 10, hell for alot of 2010 we were top 5 ranked Defense and the only difference between 2010 and 2011 was that we were missing our on-field DC in Jon Goff as well as our #2 CB with T2

      We dont need another LB in the high rounds of the draft (Unless its Vontaze Burfict), if we do draft an LB I would like us to look at a boom or bust kind of guy in the middle rounds
      Come check the G-Fambulance and The Scarf Soldiers every home game in Lot L6, and like us on facebook and instagam 'NYG Scarf Soldiers'

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      • #4
        Re: LB by committee?

        [quote user="Kase-1"][quote user="burier"][quote user="jhamburg"]I know everyone wants an every down MLB, but if we don't draft one I think we actually had a good thing going last season. What do you guys think about going forward with Boley as the only 3 down LB? Something like:

        Base: Boley - Goff - Kiwi (with Herzlich and Jones as depth)

        Nickel: Boley - Williams (with Paysinger as depth)[/quote]

        proven not to work by our basement ranked defense.

        As it currenlty stands. If Kiwi or Boley get hurt we become the worst defense in football.

        need a real MLB.[/quote]When we had a 'real MLB' like Goff our Defense was consistently ranked in the top 10, hell for alot of 2010 we were top 5 ranked Defense and the only difference between 2010 and 2011 was that we were missing our on-field DC in Jon Goff as well as our #2 CB with T2

        We dont need another LB in the high rounds of the draft (Unless its Vontaze Burfict), if we do draft an LB I would like us to look at a boom or bust kind of guy in the middle rounds
        [/quote]

        Right but you have to realize that Goff can no longer be counted on. There's no reason to think he's going to come back and pick up where he left off and he's that much more likely to get reinjured. Plus he wasn't exactly Butkis to begin with.
        My 5 year old son right before the kickoff of the Super Bowl 46: Dad, are the Giants gonna win?

        Burier: Yes.

        My 5 year old son right before the kickoff of Super Bowl 46: Do you promise?

        Burier: Yes. I promise.

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        • #5
          Re: LB by committee?

          [quote user="burier"][quote user="Kase-1"][quote user="burier"][quote user="jhamburg"]I know everyone wants an every down MLB, but if we don't draft one I think we actually had a good thing going last season. What do you guys think about going forward with Boley as the only 3 down LB? Something like:

          Base: Boley - Goff - Kiwi (with Herzlich and Jones as depth)

          Nickel: Boley - Williams (with Paysinger as depth)[/quote]

          proven not to work by our basement ranked defense.

          As it currenlty stands. If Kiwi or Boley get hurt we become the worst defense in football.

          need a real MLB.[/quote]When we had a 'real MLB' like Goff our Defense was consistently ranked in the top 10, hell for alot of 2010 we were top 5 ranked Defense and the only difference between 2010 and 2011 was that we were missing our on-field DC in Jon Goff as well as our #2 CB with T2

          We dont need another LB in the high rounds of the draft (Unless its Vontaze Burfict), if we do draft an LB I would like us to look at a boom or bust kind of guy in the middle rounds
          [/quote]

          Right but you have to realize that Goff can no longer be counted on. There's no reason to think he's going to come back and pick up where he left off and he's that much more likely to get reinjured. Plus he wasn't exactly Butkis to begin with.[/quote]

          We have a handful of rookies who were good enough to make the team and contribute last year. I don't think it's crazy that out of all of those guys one could step up in his second season and be a starter.

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          • #6
            Re: LB by committee?

            [quote user="jhamburg"][quote user="burier"][quote user="Kase-1"][quote user="burier"][quote user="jhamburg"]I know everyone wants an every down MLB, but if we don't draft one I think we actually had a good thing going last season. What do you guys think about going forward with Boley as the only 3 down LB? Something like:

            Base: Boley - Goff - Kiwi (with Herzlich and Jones as depth)

            Nickel: Boley - Williams (with Paysinger as depth)[/quote]

            proven not to work by our basement ranked defense.

            As it currenlty stands. If Kiwi or Boley get hurt we become the worst defense in football.

            need a real MLB.[/quote]When we had a 'real MLB' like Goff our Defense was consistently ranked in the top 10, hell for alot of 2010 we were top 5 ranked Defense and the only difference between 2010 and 2011 was that we were missing our on-field DC in Jon Goff as well as our #2 CB with T2

            We dont need another LB in the high rounds of the draft (Unless its Vontaze Burfict), if we do draft an LB I would like us to look at a boom or bust kind of guy in the middle rounds
            [/quote]

            Right but you have to realize that Goff can no longer be counted on. There's no reason to think he's going to come back and pick up where he left off and he's that much more likely to get reinjured. Plus he wasn't exactly Butkis to begin with.[/quote]

            We have a handful of rookies who were good enough to make the team and contribute last year. I don't think it's crazy that out of all of those guys one could step up in his second season and be a starter.[/quote]

            Not crazy but what quality of starter are we talking about? I don't think Herzlich is going to be a world beater anytime soon
            My 5 year old son right before the kickoff of the Super Bowl 46: Dad, are the Giants gonna win?

            Burier: Yes.

            My 5 year old son right before the kickoff of Super Bowl 46: Do you promise?

            Burier: Yes. I promise.

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            • #7
              Re: LB by committee?

              [quote user="burier"][quote user="jhamburg"][quote user="burier"][quote user="Kase-1"][quote user="burier"][quote user="jhamburg"]I know everyone wants an every down MLB, but if we don't draft one I think we actually had a good thing going last season. What do you guys think about going forward with Boley as the only 3 down LB? Something like:

              Base: Boley - Goff - Kiwi (with Herzlich and Jones as depth)

              Nickel: Boley - Williams (with Paysinger as depth)[/quote]

              proven not to work by our basement ranked defense.

              As it currenlty stands. If Kiwi or Boley get hurt we become the worst defense in football.

              need a real MLB.[/quote]When we had a 'real MLB' like Goff our Defense was consistently ranked in the top 10, hell for alot of 2010 we were top 5 ranked Defense and the only difference between 2010 and 2011 was that we were missing our on-field DC in Jon Goff as well as our #2 CB with T2

              We dont need another LB in the high rounds of the draft (Unless its Vontaze Burfict), if we do draft an LB I would like us to look at a boom or bust kind of guy in the middle rounds
              [/quote]

              Right but you have to realize that Goff can no longer be counted on. There's no reason to think he's going to come back and pick up where he left off and he's that much more likely to get reinjured. Plus he wasn't exactly Butkis to begin with.[/quote]

              We have a handful of rookies who were good enough to make the team and contribute last year. I don't think it's crazy that out of all of those guys one could step up in his second season and be a starter.[/quote]

              Not crazy but what quality of starter are we talking about? I don't think Herzlich is going to be a world beater anytime soon[/quote]

              No but the point I'm making is that with our defense, and the amount of time we are in Nickel, LB is not as important, and we can use a situational rotation of "specialist" type of players instead of having a do-everything MLB that weighs 250 lbs and runs a 4.4.

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              • #8
                Re: LB by committee?

                [quote user="jhamburg"]I know everyone wants an every down MLB, but if we don't draft one I think we actually had a good thing going last season. What do you guys think about going forward with Boley as the only 3 down LB? Something like:

                Base: Boley - Goff - Kiwi (with Herzlich and Jones as depth)

                Nickel: Boley - Williams (with Paysinger as depth)[/quote]

                This may be a stretch, but I don't think you can have a conversation about linebackers now without including Chase Blackburn. I understand he was pulled in to fill a void, and fill it he did in exemplary fashion. His first play. am interception and in his last game, the Super Bowl, another interception that sucked the air our of Brady's sails.

                If he isn't brought into camp to compete, I'll be very disappointed.
                “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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                • #9
                  Re: LB by committee?

                  [quote user="jhamburg"]I know everyone wants an every down MLB, but if we don't draft one I think we actually had a good thing going last season. What do you guys think about going forward with Boley as the only 3 down LB? Something like:

                  Base: Boley - Goff - Kiwi (with Herzlich and Jones as depth)

                  Nickel: Boley - Williams (with Paysinger as depth)[/quote]

                  This may be a stretch, but I don't think you can have a conversation about linebackers now without including Chase Blackburn. I understand he was pulled in to fill a void, and fill it he did in exemplary fashion. His first play. am interception and in his last game, the Super Bowl, another interception that sucked the air our of Brady's sails.

                  If he isn't brought into camp to compete, I'll be very disappointed.
                  “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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                  • #10
                    Re: LB by committee?

                    [quote user="RoanokeFan"][quote user="jhamburg"]I know everyone wants an every down MLB, but if we don't draft one I think we actually had a good thing going last season. What do you guys think about going forward with Boley as the only 3 down LB? Something like:

                    Base: Boley - Goff - Kiwi (with Herzlich and Jones as depth)

                    Nickel: Boley - Williams (with Paysinger as depth)[/quote]*

                    This may be a stretch, but I don't think you can have a conversation about linebackers now without including Chase Blackburn.* I understand he was pulled in to fill a void, and fill it he did in exemplary fashion.* His first play. am interception and in his last game, the Super Bowl, another interception that sucked the air* our of Brady's sails.

                    If he isn't brought into camp to compete, I'll be very disappointed.
                    [/quote]

                    I forgot to leave him on but he should definitely be in the mix.

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                    • #11
                      Re: LB by committee?

                      [quote user="jhamburg"][quote user="RoanokeFan"][quote user="jhamburg"]I know everyone wants an every down MLB, but if we don't draft one I think we actually had a good thing going last season. What do you guys think about going forward with Boley as the only 3 down LB? Something like:

                      Base: Boley - Goff - Kiwi (with Herzlich and Jones as depth)

                      Nickel: Boley - Williams (with Paysinger as depth)[/quote]

                      This may be a stretch, but I don't think you can have a conversation about linebackers now without including Chase Blackburn. I understand he was pulled in to fill a void, and fill it he did in exemplary fashion. His first play. am interception and in his last game, the Super Bowl, another interception that sucked the air our of Brady's sails.

                      If he isn't brought into camp to compete, I'll be very disappointed.
                      [/quote]

                      I forgot to leave him on but he should definitely be in the mix.[/quote]

                      He is also a positive force on STs
                      “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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                      • #12
                        Re: LB by committee?

                        [quote user="jhamburg"][quote user="burier"][quote user="jhamburg"][quote user="burier"][quote user="Kase-1"][quote user="burier"][quote user="jhamburg"]I know everyone wants an every down MLB, but if we don't draft one I think we actually had a good thing going last season. What do you guys think about going forward with Boley as the only 3 down LB? Something like:

                        Base: Boley - Goff - Kiwi (with Herzlich and Jones as depth)

                        Nickel: Boley - Williams (with Paysinger as depth)[/quote]

                        proven not to work by our basement ranked defense.

                        As it currenlty stands. If Kiwi or Boley get hurt we become the worst defense in football.

                        need a real MLB.[/quote]When we had a 'real MLB' like Goff our Defense was consistently ranked in the top 10, hell for alot of 2010 we were top 5 ranked Defense and the only difference between 2010 and 2011 was that we were missing our on-field DC in Jon Goff as well as our #2 CB with T2

                        We dont need another LB in the high rounds of the draft (Unless its Vontaze Burfict), if we do draft an LB I would like us to look at a boom or bust kind of guy in the middle rounds
                        [/quote]

                        Right but you have to realize that Goff can no longer be counted on. There's no reason to think he's going to come back and pick up where he left off and he's that much more likely to get reinjured. Plus he wasn't exactly Butkis to begin with.[/quote]

                        We have a handful of rookies who were good enough to make the team and contribute last year. I don't think it's crazy that out of all of those guys one could step up in his second season and be a starter.[/quote]

                        Not crazy but what quality of starter are we talking about? I don't think Herzlich is going to be a world beater anytime soon[/quote]

                        No but the point I'm making is that with our defense, and the amount of time we are in Nickel, LB is not as important, and we can use a situational rotation of "specialist" type of players instead of having a do-everything MLB that weighs 250 lbs and runs a 4.4.[/quote]

                        Teams are running the ball with 3 wides on the field. Your nickle backers need to play the run. I'm not saying you need Ray Lewis but damn...someone who can shoot a gap would be nice.
                        My 5 year old son right before the kickoff of the Super Bowl 46: Dad, are the Giants gonna win?

                        Burier: Yes.

                        My 5 year old son right before the kickoff of Super Bowl 46: Do you promise?

                        Burier: Yes. I promise.

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                        • #13
                          Re: LB by committee?

                          [quote user="RoanokeFan"][quote user="jhamburg"]I know everyone wants an every down MLB, but if we don't draft one I think we actually had a good thing going last season. What do you guys think about going forward with Boley as the only 3 down LB? Something like:

                          Base: Boley - Goff - Kiwi (with Herzlich and Jones as depth)

                          Nickel: Boley - Williams (with Paysinger as depth)[/quote]*

                          This may be a stretch, but I don't think you can have a conversation about linebackers now without including Chase Blackburn.* I understand he was pulled in to fill a void, and fill it he did in exemplary fashion.* His first play. am interception and in his last game, the Super Bowl, another interception that sucked the air* our of Brady's sails.

                          If he isn't brought into camp to compete, I'll be very disappointed.
                          [/quote]

                          This, this, and more of this. I know Chase is not the "sexy" choice for MLB, but he came in and did a good job when we needed it most. Chase has been around for years, knows the defense, knows the signals, and plays his heart out for us. He is an every down guy, not very speedy, but plays good coverage, plays the run well, and deserves a legit shot at MLB.

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                          • #14
                            Re: LB by committee?

                            [quote user="GGTM_1977"][quote user="RoanokeFan"][quote user="jhamburg"]I know everyone wants an every down MLB, but if we don't draft one I think we actually had a good thing going last season. What do you guys think about going forward with Boley as the only 3 down LB? Something like:

                            Base: Boley - Goff - Kiwi (with Herzlich and Jones as depth)

                            Nickel: Boley - Williams (with Paysinger as depth)[/quote]

                            This may be a stretch, but I don't think you can have a conversation about linebackers now without including Chase Blackburn. I understand he was pulled in to fill a void, and fill it he did in exemplary fashion. His first play. am interception and in his last game, the Super Bowl, another interception that sucked the air our of Brady's sails.

                            If he isn't brought into camp to compete, I'll be very disappointed.
                            [/quote]

                            This, this, and more of this. I know Chase is not the "sexy" choice for MLB, but he came in and did a good job when we needed it most. Chase has been around for years, knows the defense, knows the signals, and plays his heart out for us. He is an every down guy, not very speedy, but plays good coverage, plays the run well, and deserves a legit shot at MLB.[/quote]

                            I like Goff at MLB but he may need a year to get back to form. What better platoon partner to have than Blackburn?
                            “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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                            • #15
                              Re: LB by committee?

                              [quote user="burier"][quote user="Kase-1"][quote user="burier"][quote user="jhamburg"]I know everyone wants an every down MLB, but if we don't draft one I think we actually had a good thing going last season. What do you guys think about going forward with Boley as the only 3 down LB? Something like:

                              Base: Boley - Goff - Kiwi (with Herzlich and Jones as depth)

                              Nickel: Boley - Williams (with Paysinger as depth)[/quote]

                              proven not to work by our basement ranked defense.

                              As it currenlty stands. If Kiwi or Boley get hurt we become the worst defense in football.

                              need a real MLB.[/quote]When we had a 'real MLB' like Goff our Defense was consistently ranked in the top 10, hell for alot of 2010 we were top 5 ranked Defense and the only difference between 2010 and 2011 was that we were missing our on-field DC in Jon Goff as well as our #2 CB with T2

                              We dont need another LB in the high rounds of the draft (Unless its Vontaze Burfict), if we do draft an LB I would like us to look at a boom or bust kind of guy in the middle rounds
                              [/quote]

                              Right but you have to realize that Goff can no longer be counted on. There's no reason to think he's going to come back and pick up where he left off and he's that much more likely to get reinjured. Plus he wasn't exactly Butkis to begin with.[/quote]What makes you say that Goff wont come back and pick up where he left off, its not like he's someone who gets hurt every season with a big injury

                              Before he left he was our on field DC, best run stopper, and arguably our best LB (and Im a leader of the Boley Bandwagon). The only difference between our D in 2010 and 2011 is that we were missing Goff and T2, with those 2 gone we dropped from a top 10 Defense to bottom 5 D
                              Come check the G-Fambulance and The Scarf Soldiers every home game in Lot L6, and like us on facebook and instagam 'NYG Scarf Soldiers'

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