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    Don't misunderstand...we need to rework the O-line a bit but do you think we REEEAALLLLLLLYYYY need a new body there that isn't already there in the starting line-up or onour current depth chart?




    Problems:




    1...Yes, Diehl is starting to slow down on the left side at tackleand wasn't lighting the world on fire at LG.




    2...Yes, McKensie is tired and inconsistant on the right side at tackle, which is the easier side since Eli is a RH QB.




    3...Yes, Baas was ineffective in the run-game and just OK in the passing game.




    4...Yes, Snee was dinged and seemed inconsistant for a couple games, but improved.




    5...Yes, our LG position was never nailed-down by anyone player




    Solutions:




    1...Pull Diehl from the left side altogether and use Beatty at LT, given he will be healthy and Brewer behind him on the depth chart with Diehl as an emergency.




    2...McKensie will likely be released...Diehl slides right in at RT where he could be solid for another couple years, certainly. Brewer as depth also or draft pick.




    3...I expect Baas will improve significantly with a full season and soon a fulloffseason program (citing that as the main reason for his deficiencies at Center)...Boothe as depth.




    4...Snee is fine...Boothe as depth




    5...I can't think of a more capable OLineman than Petrus at LG. I think he will come into his own in 2012 and solidify that position for years to come...Boothe as depth




    ...if anything, the line just needs shuffling a little, a good full off-season and maybe a promising rookie, but depth may be all we need at this point.




    I don't think I would burn valuable cap space on linemen and maybe look at RB help preferrably in free agency.




    We could then focus on our LB's, a TEor a DL if Austin isn't capably ready




    I believe we have a great starting core already on both sides of the ball...we just need a little tweaking!





  • #2
    Re: Where do we REALLY need help on the O-LINE?

    I think a draft pick & few adjustments and it'll be fine......baas at center scares me

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    • #3
      Re: Where do we REALLY need help on the O-LINE?

      [quote user="myles2424"]I think a draft pick & few adjustments and it'll be fine......baas at center scares me[/quote]You have tokeep in mindthe circumstances, Baas didn't have alot of time to learn the system here nor to build chemistry among the other players. I hope but very much believe things will get better with him at center. I was angry with his inability to help with the run-game but had to bear in mind the lock-out probably hampered alot offree agentsthat were new to a team last season.

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      • #4
        Re: Where do we REALLY need help on the O-LINE?

        [quote user="hungrrrry"]

        Don't misunderstand...we need to rework the O-line a bit but do you think we REEEAALLLLLLLYYYY need a new body there that isn't already there in the starting line-up or onour current depth chart?




        Problems:




        1...Yes, Diehl is starting to slow down on the left side at tackleand wasn't lighting the world on fire at LG.




        2...Yes, McKensie is tired and inconsistant on the right side at tackle, which is the easier side since Eli is a RH QB.




        3...Yes, Baas was ineffective in the run-game and just OK in the passing game.




        4...Yes, Snee was dinged and seemed inconsistant for a couple games, but improved.




        5...Yes, our LG position was never nailed-down by anyone player




        Solutions:




        1...Pull Diehl from the left side altogether and use Beatty at LT, given he will be healthy and Brewer behind him on the depth chart with Diehl as an emergency.




        2...McKensie will likely be released...Diehl slides right in at RT where he could be solid for another couple years, certainly. Brewer as depth also or draft pick.




        3...I expect Baas will improve significantly with a full season and soon a fulloffseason program (citing that as the main reason for his deficiencies at Center)...Boothe as depth.




        4...Snee is fine...Boothe as depth




        5...I can't think of a more capable OLineman than Petrus at LG. I think he will come into his own in 2012 and solidify that position for years to come...Boothe as depth




        ...if anything, the line just needs shuffling a little, a good full off-season and maybe a promising rookie, but depth may be all we need at this point.




        I don't think I would burn valuable cap space on linemen and maybe look at RB help preferrably in free agency.




        We could then focus on our LB's, a TEor a DL if Austin isn't capably ready




        I believe we have a great starting core already on both sides of the ball...we just need a little tweaking!




        [/quote]

        Statistically we were 1 of the poorest Olines in football, while we did improve as a group Mckenzie got worse as the season progressed. I think Petrus did ok when stepping in, but he isnt a good passblocker.

        If we do not seriously address the oline we put Eli at risk. He was hit far too often this year.

        We also had a LOT of holding calls on our edge blockers.


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        • #5
          Re: Where do we REALLY need help on the O-LINE?

          It is inexcusable for the way that the o-line played in 2011 with the running game. They were ranked last in the nfl and it really wasn't the fault of Bradshaw and Jacobs. The line failed to create holes for them.

          Diehl was probably the weakest link and is suppose to make nearly $4 million now. Is he worth $4 million with the way he struggled? No way! McKenzie is a FA and getting old. 2 spots that should be replaced. They should look at o-lineman in the draft. Wish for Gordy Glenn but that is wishful thinking in the 1st round.

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          • #6
            Re: Where do we REALLY need help on the O-LINE?

            Diehl starting in any position scares me next year. He was probably the worst starting lineman in the league.

            I'm not too worried about the interior of the line with Petrus, Baas, and Snee as starters. Petrus is still raw in his pass blocking but I'm confident he'll get better in the offseason. I'm willing to give Baas another year and chalk it up to a new system and him being injured. Snee might of just had an offyear so I'm okay with him still around.

            If we target any position, it'll probably be Tackle. Diehl and Kmac played too poorly and cost too much to keep around. Lets hope that we can draft a tackle who can play either the left or right side to give both Beatty and Brewer some competition.

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            • #7
              Re: Where do we REALLY need help on the O-LINE?

              I agree with the OP on almost everything. Except I see Brewer at the RT of the future and Diehl as RT of the present.

              Diehl is just so versatile, I don't think the Giants are ready to get rid of him, or even try to give him a pay cut just yet.

              Plus, I consider the TE to be part of the O-line. I think we get the very best blocking TE in the draft (wherever value presents a candidate), and Eli turns him into the next Jake Ballard.

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              • #8
                Re: Where do we REALLY need help on the O-LINE?

                Someone please give me an explanation as to why Boothe doesn't deserve to start on this line.

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                • #9
                  Re: Where do we REALLY need help on the O-LINE?

                  [quote user="hungrrrry"]

                  Don't misunderstand...we need to rework the O-line a bit but do you think we REEEAALLLLLLLYYYY need a new body there that isn't already there in the starting line-up or on*our current depth chart?




                  Problems:




                  1...Yes, Diehl is starting to slow down on the left side at tackle*and wasn't lighting the world on fire at LG.




                  2...Yes, McKensie is tired and inconsistant on the right side at tackle, which is the easier side since Eli is a RH QB.




                  3...Yes, Baas was ineffective in the run-game and just OK in the passing game.




                  4...Yes, Snee was dinged and seemed inconsistant for a couple games, but improved.




                  5...Yes, our LG position was never nailed-down by anyone player




                  Solutions:




                  1...Pull Diehl from the left side altogether and use Beatty at LT, given he will be healthy and Brewer behind him on the depth chart with Diehl as an emergency.




                  2...McKensie will likely be released...Diehl slides right in at RT where he could be solid for another couple years, certainly. Brewer as depth also or draft pick.




                  3...I expect Baas will improve significantly with a full season and soon a full*offseason program (citing that as the main reason for his deficiencies at Center)...Boothe as depth.




                  4...Snee is fine...Boothe as depth




                  5...I can't think of a more capable OLineman than Petrus at LG. I think he will come into his own in 2012 and solidify that position for years to come...Boothe as depth




                  ...if anything, the line just needs shuffling a little, a good full off-season and maybe a promising rookie, but depth may be all we need at this point.




                  I don't think I would burn valuable cap space on linemen and maybe look at RB help preferrably in free agency.




                  We could then focus on our LB's, a TE*or a DL if Austin isn't capably ready




                  I believe we have a great starting core already on both sides of the ball...we just need a little tweaking!




                  *

                  [/quote]Great post I like the O-line with Beatty at LT,Petrus LG, Bass C, Snee RG,Diehl RT, Boothe,Cordle,Brewer,Andrews and Ogoh are all the backup's! TE,LB,S,DT,CB all need help! Punt and Kickoff returner would be nice!

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                  • #10
                    Re: Where do we REALLY need help on the O-LINE?

                    [quote user="jhamburg"]Someone please give me an explanation as to why Boothe doesn't deserve to start on this line.[/quote]It's more that I personally think that there's some reason that Boothe hasn't cracked the starting lineup since he arrived in 2007. I wouldn't mind him starting but I just don't see it happening for some reason. Don't mind if I'm wrong here though.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Where do we REALLY need help on the O-LINE?

                      [quote user="TheEnigma"][quote user="jhamburg"]Someone please give me an explanation as to why Boothe doesn't deserve to start on this line.[/quote]It's more that I personally think that there's some reason that Boothe hasn't cracked the starting lineup since he arrived in 2007. I wouldn't mind him starting but I just don't see it happening for some reason. Don't mind if I'm wrong here though.[/quote]

                      I'm not concerned about what he did 2007-2010, I'm concerned about what he did when he had the most playing time in 2011.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Where do we REALLY need help on the O-LINE?

                        Beatty was playing well at LT. The problem with him is staying healthy. I think Diehl might be gone unless he restructures. Hopefully Bass has a better year while staying healthy. I think D Ed had some issues this year because Center and RT where playing do poorly.

                        Can Brewer step up? Can Boothe play as a full time starter? I do like Petrus, but I'm not sold on him. Another poster said he let like two pressures in just 5 snaps in one game or something like that. I think he is a better run blocker.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Where do we REALLY need help on the O-LINE?

                          Replace Diehl and McKenzie. I used to think Diehl could kick to the right side, but I don't think he can play anywhere on the line anymore.
                          My body was sculpted to the proportions of Michelangelo's David.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Where do we REALLY need help on the O-LINE?

                            I believe it would be a good idea to draft a lineman in the later rounds. I just think it is good to have depth on the line and for some of the reasons you have stated: inconsistency.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Where do we REALLY need help on the O-LINE?

                              [quote user="jhamburg"][quote user="TheEnigma"][quote user="jhamburg"]Someone please give me an explanation as to why Boothe doesn't deserve to start on this line.[/quote]It's more that I personally think that there's some reason that Boothe hasn't cracked the starting lineup since he arrived in 2007. I wouldn't mind him starting but I just don't see it happening for some reason. Don't mind if I'm wrong here though.[/quote]

                              I'm not concerned about what he did 2007-2010, I'm concerned about what he did when he had the most playing time in 2011.[/quote]Oh, I understand what you are saying completely. I'd say that Boothe has been better than Diehl since the 2010 season and deserved a starting spot. I just don't think the coaching staff sees it that way.

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