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  • Victor Cruz: Was he our #1, #2, or #3 receiver last year?

    Its a debate from THEE thread...

    I say Cruz was our #2 with understanding the arguments for #1

    Daven says Cruz was #3, here is his debate:

    "Win at what being wrong? everyone knows that Cruz was the #3 for most of the year last year...

    are you really that dumb to think that just because he put up numbers that makes him the #2?

    the
    X vs Y vs Z position (which is what we are talking about when you say
    #1/2/3) is determined more by the receivers physical abilities more so
    then the actual production you get."


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    EDIT: And another thing: Who do you think had more plays played for us
    this year CRUZ or Mario. Who do u think had more snaps. Or rather Snaps
    per game average since Mario was hurt for a little bit (just to be fair)
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    What do you guys say?
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  • #2
    Re: Victor Cruz: Was he our #1, #2, or #3 receiver last year?

    [quote user="MattMeyerBud"]Its a debate from THEE thread...

    I say Cruz was our #2 with understanding the arguments for #1

    Daven says Cruz was #3, here is his debate:

    "Win at what being wrong? everyone knows that Cruz was the #3 for most of the year last year...

    are you really that dumb to think that just because he put up numbers that makes him the #2?

    the
    X vs Y vs Z position (which is what we are talking about when you say
    #1/2/3) is determined more by the receivers physical abilities more so
    then the actual production you get."


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    What do you guys say?
    [/quote]

    Interestingly enough, I can see him being x, y, or z. He has a very unique skill set. He can run the deep route, beat double coverage, and has big play capability. He has good hands and body control and fits as a nice possession receiver and in the slot, he's not afraid to go across the middle, acts as a good safety net when he isn't the first look. I think that's why the Giants moved him around so much throughout the season.

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    • #3
      Re: Victor Cruz: Was he our #1, #2, or #3 receiver last year?

      I think 1, 2, or 3 is more of an informal way to label who our best receiver is. Who's the most consistent and high-performing at any given time.

      It's true that for the first third of the season, #80 was really only playing because other guys got injured.

      But I think the relevant question isn't "Who was our #1 all last year?"
      but rather, "Who IS our #1 right now?" (that is, who FINISHED the season #1)

      I think that although Nicks made Cruz better (and vice versa), Eli had tons of confidence in Cruz toward the end, and especially during the playoffs.

      Cruz = #1 (At this moment in time)

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      • #4
        Re: Victor Cruz: Was he our #1, #2, or #3 receiver last year?

        [quote user="NYGinIN"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"]Its a debate from THEE thread...

        I say Cruz was our #2 with understanding the arguments for #1

        Daven says Cruz was #3, here is his debate:

        "Win at what being wrong? everyone knows that Cruz was the #3 for most of the year last year...

        are you really that dumb to think that just because he put up numbers that makes him the #2?

        the
        X vs Y vs Z position (which is what we are talking about when you say
        #1/2/3) is determined more by the receivers physical abilities more so
        then the actual production you get."


        ------



        What do you guys say?
        [/quote]

        Interestingly enough, I can see him being x, y, or z. He has a very unique skill set. He can run the deep route, beat double coverage, and has big play capability. He has good hands and body control and fits as a nice possession receiver and in the slot, he's not afraid to go across the middle, acts as a good safety net when he isn't the first look. I think that's why the Giants moved him around so much throughout the season.[/quote]

        im not trying to sway your argument, im just curious

        so you attribute X-Y-Z as who the #1, #2, and #3 WRs are at all times?
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        • #5
          Re: Victor Cruz: Was he our #1, #2, or #3 receiver last year?

          [quote user="MattMeyerBud"]Its a debate from THEE thread...

          I say Cruz was our #2 with understanding the arguments for #1

          Daven says Cruz was #3, here is his debate:

          "Win at what being wrong? everyone knows that Cruz was the #3 for most of the year last year...

          are you really that dumb to think that just because he put up numbers that makes him the #2?

          the
          X vs Y vs Z position (which is what we are talking about when you say
          #1/2/3) is determined more by the receivers physical abilities more so
          then the actual production you get."


          ------



          What do you guys say?
          [/quote]Well when the Giants ran 2 wr sets it was mostly Nicks and Cruz. Just because Cruz played the slot a lot doesnt mean hes number 3.

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          • #6
            Re: Victor Cruz: Was he our #1, #2, or #3 receiver last year?

            [quote user="dezzzR"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"]Its a debate from THEE thread...

            I say Cruz was our #2 with understanding the arguments for #1

            Daven says Cruz was #3, here is his debate:

            "Win at what being wrong? everyone knows that Cruz was the #3 for most of the year last year...

            are you really that dumb to think that just because he put up numbers that makes him the #2?

            the
            X vs Y vs Z position (which is what we are talking about when you say
            #1/2/3) is determined more by the receivers physical abilities more so
            then the actual production you get."


            ------



            What do you guys say?
            [/quote]Well when the Giants ran 2 wr sets it was mostly Nicks and Cruz. Just because Cruz played the slot a lot doesnt mean hes number 3.
            [/quote]

            well daven is disputing that, he said 2 WR sets were mostly Mario and Nicks
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            • #7
              Re: Victor Cruz: Was he our #1, #2, or #3 receiver last year?

              [quote user="RagTime Blue"]I think 1, 2, or 3 is more of an informal way to label who our best receiver is.* Who's the most consistent and high-performing at any given time.

              It's true that for the first third of the season, #80 was really only playing because other guys got injured.*

              But I think the relevant question isn't "Who was our #1 all last year?"
              *** but rather, "Who IS our #1 right now?"* (that is, who FINISHED the season #1)

              I think that although Nicks made Cruz better (and vice versa), Eli had tons of confidence in Cruz toward the end, and especially during the playoffs.

              Cruz =* #1****** (At this moment in time)
              [/quote]

              Your argument suggest Nicks should be our #1 then since he had the most receiving yards and tied for most TD receptions this post-season.

              I felt Nicks has been our #1 all season though

              Edit- and for this argument, I look at who is getting targeted more. According to espn stats, Nicks and Cruz were targeted about 130 times each, both having around 80+ catches, while manningham was targeted only 70+ times with 38 receptions.

              [link]http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/player/_/stat/receiving/sort/receivingYards/qualified/false[/link]
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              • #8
                Re: Victor Cruz: Was he our #1, #2, or #3 receiver last year?



                I don't think you can say if a guy is a 1-2-3 based on where he lines up in the formation. Take Smith when he was still here. He was definitely our 1 or 2, but lined up in the slot in most 3-wide situations, very much like Cruz. X-Y-Z is just where you line up, not your position on the depth chart.




                I'd say Nicks is our 1, Cruz our 2 (despite that he lines up in the slot frequently), and MM our 3 (despite he frequently lines up on the outside). I think the snap counts will bear that out (after adjusting for injury).

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                • #9
                  Re: Victor Cruz: Was he our #1, #2, or #3 receiver last year?




                  EDIT: And another thing: Who do you think had more plays played for us this year CRUZ or Mario. Who do u think had more snaps. Or rather Snaps per game average since Mario was hurt for a little bit (just to be fair)

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                  • #10
                    Re: Victor Cruz: Was he our #1, #2, or #3 receiver last year?

                    all of the above

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                    • #11
                      Re: Victor Cruz: Was he our #1, #2, or #3 receiver last year?

                      [quote user="GmenFan1980"][quote user="RagTime Blue"]I think 1, 2, or 3 is more of an informal way to label who our best receiver is. Who's the most consistent and high-performing at any given time.

                      It's true that for the first third of the season, #80 was really only playing because other guys got injured.

                      But I think the relevant question isn't "Who was our #1 all last year?"
                      but rather, "Who IS our #1 right now?" (that is, who FINISHED the season #1)

                      I think that although Nicks made Cruz better (and vice versa), Eli had tons of confidence in Cruz toward the end, and especially during the playoffs.

                      Cruz = #1 (At this moment in time)
                      [/quote]

                      Your argument suggest Nicks should be our #1 then since he had the most receiving yards and tied for most TD receptions this post-season.

                      I felt Nicks has been our #1 all season though[/quote]

                      See that I would agree with. #1 and #2 could be debated because Cruz had the stats but Nicks had the attention but they both had killer years

                      Daven is suggesting that Mario was the #2 for us and said that most would agree with him so I'm just trying to get a grasp on what everybody thinks.
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                      • #12
                        Re: Victor Cruz: Was he our #1, #2, or #3 receiver last year?

                        [quote user="MattMeyerBud"]






                        EDIT: And another thing: Who do you think had more plays played for us this year CRUZ or Mario. Who do u think had more snaps. Or rather Snaps per game average since Mario was hurt for a little bit (just to be fair)




                        [/quote]




                        I'd imagine Cruz had more snaps per game than Mario this past season (after adjusting for injury and Cruz not being involved a lot earlier in the season). I suppose another way we can look at it is look at the number of targets they got... Maybe even take a step further and look at targets per snap (passing plays only).

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                        • #13
                          Re: Victor Cruz: Was he our #1, #2, or #3 receiver last year?

                          Hakeem Nicks I believe is the best receiver on the team

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                          • #14
                            Re: Victor Cruz: Was he our #1, #2, or #3 receiver last year?

                            [quote user="Redeyejedi"]Hakeem Nicks I believe is the best receiver on the team[/quote]

                            so then im guess that means u consider Nicks the #1

                            who would you consider the #2?
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                            • #15
                              Re: Victor Cruz: Was he our #1, #2, or #3 receiver last year?

                              In today's football world, there doesn't seem to be a clear and unanimous decision on how to define #1, #2, and #3.

                              It comes down to to an individual's perception of an offense and who they view as the largest threat and biggest contributor to the opposing defense. I'd say whoever gets the most attention from a defense would be the #1.

                              Of course I'm applying speculation here but I think most defenses don't see either Cruz or Nicks as the #1 but as equal threats where as Megatron is the clear main threat for the Lions or Andre Johnson is for the Texans.

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